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Posted: 5/14/2024 3:40:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thawntex: The aggressive sexuality of the 80s was not healthy for the male psyche in my opinion, especially when it came to kids in their formative years. I still scratch my head at my parents getting cable and allowing me to watch hours of lewd videos in my preadolescence. It pretty well fucked my brain up for life. As far as the brooding goes, let's not forget the plethora of 80s cuck power ballads that ran like an endless lament over losing your lover and wallowing in loneliness and despair. I liked a lot of 80s music as a kid, and I still think some of it is great. I also think that there were some very unhealthy messages and images mixed in there that the world could've done without. I'm thankful that the music landscape is what it is today. My kids can be more selective in what they listen to, and some of what they're into is really good. They're not plopped down in front of the television taking in everything their mass media overlords throw at them, witnessing hours of absolute garbage just to see something of quality here and there. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thawntex: Originally Posted By Edge-To-Life: I was just thinking about the societal impact of grunge on the male psyche. We traded aggressive sexuality for brooding and celebrated the loner. This, coupled with the rise of rap fed what would become of the modern male and female. Pop tried to desperately hang on, producing the likes of Brittany Spears, who played the role of a meth addicted cheerleader too well. But, that's what they had to sell. It continues today with Miley Cyrus, etc. Even when bands put a harder spin on their music, they're still whining (Linkin Park, Papa Roach, blah, blah). Imagine that putrid self-loathing shit pumped between your ears and being told it's good. I still scratch my head at my parents getting cable and allowing me to watch hours of lewd videos in my preadolescence. It pretty well fucked my brain up for life. As far as the brooding goes, let's not forget the plethora of 80s cuck power ballads that ran like an endless lament over losing your lover and wallowing in loneliness and despair. I liked a lot of 80s music as a kid, and I still think some of it is great. I also think that there were some very unhealthy messages and images mixed in there that the world could've done without. I'm thankful that the music landscape is what it is today. My kids can be more selective in what they listen to, and some of what they're into is really good. They're not plopped down in front of the television taking in everything their mass media overlords throw at them, witnessing hours of absolute garbage just to see something of quality here and there. Ballads ranged from professing love, mourning the death of loved ones, and yes, occasionally, the whiney “why did you leave”. There was a panoply of themes. The themes of the aforementioned genre seems singularly focused on self-loathing- an unmanly quality. I’m sorry your parents let you watch MTV and it “fucked” your “brain for life.” They had no impact on me despite my age. I do wonder, however, the the sexualized 60s had the same impact. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 4:54:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By arowneragain: Please do keep in mind that I am not above using sarcasm in my posts. I happen to think that use your illusion, both albums, represent the pinnacle of the 80s rock movement, even though they technically did not happen in the 80s. But you also make a fair point. In posting that, the tongue in cheek point I was trying to make, was about the ostentatious and excessive nature of literally everything. G’n’R was insanely talented yet equally insanely over the top in everything they did and I absolutely understand why the world got sick of it. November Rain was sort of the magnum opus, to me, of talent hopelessly entwined in ostentatiousness. I’m not half as mad at grunge as I make out to be. I just hate that some very good, very talented bands got lost in the shuffle, literally. And that’s sort of the point of this thread. We didn’t need another KISS imitation hair band. Fair enough. That was done to death after 15+ years. But we lost or at least missed some talent in the process. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By arowneragain: Originally Posted By macman37: This album is a great example of the best of what your point seems to be… At it’s best, Use your Illusion is fantastic. At it’s worst, it’s overproduced b-sides that should never have made it. Use your Illusion should have been edited to one spectacular disc. Another example of the 80s excess that lead to the 90s pushback.. Please do keep in mind that I am not above using sarcasm in my posts. I happen to think that use your illusion, both albums, represent the pinnacle of the 80s rock movement, even though they technically did not happen in the 80s. But you also make a fair point. In posting that, the tongue in cheek point I was trying to make, was about the ostentatious and excessive nature of literally everything. G’n’R was insanely talented yet equally insanely over the top in everything they did and I absolutely understand why the world got sick of it. November Rain was sort of the magnum opus, to me, of talent hopelessly entwined in ostentatiousness. I’m not half as mad at grunge as I make out to be. I just hate that some very good, very talented bands got lost in the shuffle, literally. And that’s sort of the point of this thread. We didn’t need another KISS imitation hair band. Fair enough. That was done to death after 15+ years. But we lost or at least missed some talent in the process. ‘Sall good man  Did you ever get to check out the new Black Crowes album? It is really good. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 4:59:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tc556guy: There is no modern rock. What little there is are legacy bands whose members are on their last legs Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tc556guy: Originally Posted By Scratch45: Rap now is not the rap of 40 uears ago. Rock and roll has been around for over 60 years There is no modern rock. What little there is are legacy bands whose members are on their last legs Gonna guess you are in your 50s or 60s... |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 5:02:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Boomer: Now that you mention it/put it that way, school shootings really took off in the wake of grunge music, too. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Boomer: Originally Posted By Edge-To-Life: I was just thinking about the societal impact of grunge on the male psyche. We traded aggressive sexuality for brooding and celebrated the loner. This, coupled with the rise of rap fed what would become of the modern male and female. Pop tried to desperately hang on, producing the likes of Brittany Spears, who played the role of a meth addicted cheerleader too well. But, that’s what they had to sell. It continues today with Miley Cyrus, etc. Even when bands put a harder spin on their music, they’re still whining (Linkin Park, Papa Roach, blah, blah). Imagine that putrid self-loathing shit pumped between your ears and being told it’s good. Now that you mention it/put it that way, school shootings really took off in the wake of grunge music, too. Correlation is not causation. Do you know what else took off? Psych meds for teens. ADHD. Single parent households. 24/7 news coverage. Internet access. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 5:07:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: ‘Sall good man Did you ever get to check out the new Black Crowes album? It is really good. I have a road trip coming up. It's on the list for then.
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Posted: 5/14/2024 5:08:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By djkest: Correlation is not causation. Do you know what else took off? Psych meds for teens. ADHD. Single parent households. 24/7 news coverage. Internet access. Yeah. 
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Posted: 5/14/2024 5:23:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sgt_Fury: Honestly, I don't think it was. Grunge died out after 2000. Rock/metal was around a lot longer than 8-10 years like gunge and has made a resurgence. I was around 16 or so when that grunge fad rolled out and had been playing guitar in thrash and death metal bands for a few years at that point. I remember the skaters and alt rock/ indie fans jumped on the grunge bandwagon. Very few metal heads in my area listened or cared for grunge. I didn't give grunge a listen till about 20 years ago, LOL. I don't hate some of it. I like Alice in chains and some Nirvanna and Stone Temple Pilots, but the rest doesn't intrest me. Basically it became a fad and the non music people and fringe groups listened to it trying to be cool and "hip". Like all fads it didn't last too long. Thrash also took a huge hit in popularity after the 80s when death metal, grindcore, and black metal surged. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 5:33:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MudEagle: It was going to happen regardless. The longevity of Pearl Jam’s career and the depth of their catalog validates that choice entirely. granted on Pearl Jam, but can we talk about how overrated Nirvana was/is? Jesus they suck |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 6:22:58 PM EDT
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The Seattle grunge started in the mid 80’s. It didn’t really get known until Mother Love Bone’s Andrew Wood passed. The offshoot bands played together in some form from the beginning then formed their own bands that you know.
Green River was the start and together with Malfunkshun became MLB and Mudhoney. Melvins, Misfits, Soundgarden, U-Men early on. Tad, Nirvana, AIC, Hole, Pscam, etc.. Some odd ones that were like the Accused that was a crossover like say DRI.  the Accused - slow death Gruntruck My Sisters Machine  I Hate You (Uncensored) Vinyl - My Sister's Machine |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 7:01:29 PM EDT
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Who remembers this before they were famous
 Queen of the Rodeo-Alice in Chains lyrics |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 9:12:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By djkest: Correlation is not causation. Do you know what else took off? Psych meds for teens. ADHD. Single parent households. 24/7 news coverage. Internet access. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By djkest: Originally Posted By Boomer: Originally Posted By Edge-To-Life: I was just thinking about the societal impact of grunge on the male psyche. We traded aggressive sexuality for brooding and celebrated the loner. This, coupled with the rise of rap fed what would become of the modern male and female. Pop tried to desperately hang on, producing the likes of Brittany Spears, who played the role of a meth addicted cheerleader too well. But, that’s what they had to sell. It continues today with Miley Cyrus, etc. Even when bands put a harder spin on their music, they’re still whining (Linkin Park, Papa Roach, blah, blah). Imagine that putrid self-loathing shit pumped between your ears and being told it’s good. Now that you mention it/put it that way, school shootings really took off in the wake of grunge music, too. Correlation is not causation. Do you know what else took off? Psych meds for teens. ADHD. Single parent households. 24/7 news coverage. Internet access. Yeah, the mopey, negative, depressing, self-loathing, hopelessness of the grunge genre was also probably a factor in the increased use of SSRIs and broken homes/families, too. What was it about the early 90s that made people identify with such a negative, depressing and self-loathing influence as grunge music and the musicians that performed it? I just never understood it. We just got done kicking ass in the Gulf War, we were winning the cold war, the Berlin Wall came down and yet as a culture it’s like a bunch of people just gave up. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 1:05:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MacManus: granted on Pearl Jam, but can we talk about how overrated Nirvana was/is? Jesus they suck Nirvana is great. People still love their music. Overrated? Maybe a little bit. Their songs are still excellent (except maybe Smells Like Teen Spirit) I agree with a previous poster: "Grunge" is kind of a made-up thing. Is Soundgarden grunge? I ... guess? Presidents of the United States? Hardly The one band from the era I don't like is Alice in Chains, I feel like their music is too down/dark/depressing for me - however "Rooster" is a great song. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 1:10:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Boomer: Yeah, the mopey, negative, depressing, self-loathing, hopelessness of the grunge genre was also probably a factor in the increased use of SSRIs and broken homes/families, too. What was it about the early 90s that made people identify with such a negative, depressing and self-loathing influence as grunge music and the musicians that performed it? I just never understood it. We just got done kicking ass in the Gulf War, we were winning the cold war, the Berlin Wall came down and yet as a culture it’s like a bunch of people just gave up. You're buying into the narrative. What even is grunge? Even music experts and historians struggle to define what "Grunge" is, and even bands associated as "Grunge" are wildly different. It's not like 80s rock bands where they all pretty much sound the same, dress the same, look the same, act the same. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 2:35:47 AM EDT
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OP likes his men with tight jeans and makeup.
I'm not say that OP likes to sword fight, but Grunge was the best thing post punk. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 2:36:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By djkest: You're buying into the narrative. What even is grunge? Even music experts and historians struggle to define what "Grunge" is, and even bands associated as "Grunge" are wildly different. It's not like 80s rock bands where they all pretty much sound the same, dress the same, look the same, act the same. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By djkest: Originally Posted By Boomer: Yeah, the mopey, negative, depressing, self-loathing, hopelessness of the grunge genre was also probably a factor in the increased use of SSRIs and broken homes/families, too. What was it about the early 90s that made people identify with such a negative, depressing and self-loathing influence as grunge music and the musicians that performed it? I just never understood it. We just got done kicking ass in the Gulf War, we were winning the cold war, the Berlin Wall came down and yet as a culture it’s like a bunch of people just gave up. You're buying into the narrative. What even is grunge? Even music experts and historians struggle to define what "Grunge" is, and even bands associated as "Grunge" are wildly different. It's not like 80s rock bands where they all pretty much sound the same, dress the same, look the same, act the same. Not buying into anything. I experienced it. It was palpable. Bill Clinton even tapped into it. Thanks for that one, too. If the 80s bands all sounded, dressed, looked and acted the same, the bands that rose to prominence in the early 90s doubled or tripled down on that. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 3:00:51 AM EDT
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Grunge (the movement) felt more like a cleansing than an evolution. Maybe it compares to early Punk. The bands didn't sound the same, but they were part of something.
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Posted: 5/15/2024 7:59:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Boomer: Yeah, the mopey, negative, depressing, self-loathing, hopelessness of the grunge genre was also probably a factor in the increased use of SSRIs and broken homes/families, too. What was it about the early 90s that made people identify with such a negative, depressing and self-loathing influence as grunge music and the musicians that performed it? I just never understood it. We just got done kicking ass in the Gulf War, we were winning the cold war, the Berlin Wall came down and yet as a culture it’s like a bunch of people just gave up. That’s a pretty deep take. Wow. 
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Posted: 5/15/2024 8:00:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By djkest: Nirvana is great. People still love their music. Overrated? Maybe a little bit. Their songs are still excellent (except maybe Smells Like Teen Spirit) I agree with a previous poster: "Grunge" is kind of a made-up thing. Is Soundgarden grunge? I ... guess? Presidents of the United States? Hardly The one band from the era I don't like is Alice in Chains, I feel like their music is too down/dark/depressing for me - however "Rooster" is a great song. I love Nirvana. Even (especially!) SLTS. I also agree that AiC was generally a bit dark for my tastes but Rooster was a great song. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 8:05:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By djkest: You're buying into the narrative. What even is grunge? Even music experts and historians struggle to define what "Grunge" is, and even bands associated as "Grunge" are wildly different. It's not like 80s rock bands where they all pretty much sound the same, dress the same, look the same, act the same. Grunge was largely defined by the depressing angsty tone of their music, IMO. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 10:01:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Boomer: Yeah, the mopey, negative, depressing, self-loathing, hopelessness of the grunge genre was also probably a factor in the increased use of SSRIs and broken homes/families, too. What was it about the early 90s that made people identify with such a negative, depressing and self-loathing influence as grunge music and the musicians that performed it? I just never understood it. We just got done kicking ass in the Gulf War, we were winning the cold war, the Berlin Wall came down and yet as a culture it's like a bunch of people just gave up. There's nothing new about it. Most people are like 10-50% sad as a baseline. People have ALWAYS liked sad music. A huge subsection of metal is sad, hopeless, and nihilistic. Fade to Black? 1984. Hell, go back to the classical opera tragedies. People have always loved sad music. Grunge is nothing new there really. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 10:09:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: A huge subsection of metal is sad, hopeless, and nihilistic. That's a fair point. The 'heavy' in 'heavy metal' has nothing to do with the music and everything to do with the heavy foreboding subject matter. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 10:18:09 AM EDT
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We're all responsible for our own actions period.
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Posted: 5/15/2024 10:24:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By arowneragain: That's a fair point. The 'heavy' in 'heavy metal' has nothing to do with the music and everything to do with the heavy foreboding subject matter. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By arowneragain: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: A huge subsection of metal is sad, hopeless, and nihilistic. That's a fair point. The 'heavy' in 'heavy metal' has nothing to do with the music and everything to do with the heavy foreboding subject matter. Well, I'm not so sure about that though it's true sometimes. There's lots of metal bands that are also happy and uplifting and undeniably metal. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 10:35:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: There's nothing new about it. Most people are like 10-50% sad as a baseline. People have ALWAYS liked sad music. A huge subsection of metal is sad, hopeless, and nihilistic. Fade to Black? 1984. Hell, go back to the classical opera tragedies. People have always loved sad music. Grunge is nothing new there really. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By Boomer: Yeah, the mopey, negative, depressing, self-loathing, hopelessness of the grunge genre was also probably a factor in the increased use of SSRIs and broken homes/families, too. What was it about the early 90s that made people identify with such a negative, depressing and self-loathing influence as grunge music and the musicians that performed it? I just never understood it. We just got done kicking ass in the Gulf War, we were winning the cold war, the Berlin Wall came down and yet as a culture it's like a bunch of people just gave up. There's nothing new about it. Most people are like 10-50% sad as a baseline. People have ALWAYS liked sad music. A huge subsection of metal is sad, hopeless, and nihilistic. Fade to Black? 1984. Hell, go back to the classical opera tragedies. People have always loved sad music. Grunge is nothing new there really. Every time I think I've heard every sad adult contemporary song from the 70s with trombone, along comes another one while I'm at the store browsing the tortillas. It's like Dennis Leary said regarding Judas Priest getting sued after that kid committed suicide, "Does that mean I can sue Dan Fogelberg for making me a pussy in the mid-70s?" |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 10:51:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Well, I'm not so sure about that though it's true sometimes. There's lots of metal bands that are also happy and uplifting and undeniably metal. That's the kind of metal I actually like.
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Posted: 5/15/2024 10:55:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By arowneragain: That's the kind of metal I actually like. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By arowneragain: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Well, I'm not so sure about that though it's true sometimes. There's lots of metal bands that are also happy and uplifting and undeniably metal. That's the kind of metal I actually like. I like some bands from just about every metal genre except grind/slam but yeah I really enjoy that stuff too....but sometimes I just want to listen to something depressing, and I usually go for black metal for that. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 10:56:30 AM EDT
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Elton John predicted grunge .
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Posted: 5/15/2024 2:55:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: At some point in there, people stopped being musicians and became marketing firms. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: Originally Posted By FlashHole: Rock n roll died in the nineties. It's been mostly horrible ever since. But then again, literally everything has been down hill since the eighties. At some point in there, people stopped being musicians and became marketing firms. |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 8:14:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: ‘Sall good man Did you ever get to check out the new Black Crowes album? It is really good. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: Originally Posted By arowneragain: Originally Posted By macman37: This album is a great example of the best of what your point seems to be… At it’s best, Use your Illusion is fantastic. At it’s worst, it’s overproduced b-sides that should never have made it. Use your Illusion should have been edited to one spectacular disc. Another example of the 80s excess that lead to the 90s pushback.. Please do keep in mind that I am not above using sarcasm in my posts. I happen to think that use your illusion, both albums, represent the pinnacle of the 80s rock movement, even though they technically did not happen in the 80s. But you also make a fair point. In posting that, the tongue in cheek point I was trying to make, was about the ostentatious and excessive nature of literally everything. G’n’R was insanely talented yet equally insanely over the top in everything they did and I absolutely understand why the world got sick of it. November Rain was sort of the magnum opus, to me, of talent hopelessly entwined in ostentatiousness. I’m not half as mad at grunge as I make out to be. I just hate that some very good, very talented bands got lost in the shuffle, literally. And that’s sort of the point of this thread. We didn’t need another KISS imitation hair band. Fair enough. That was done to death after 15+ years. But we lost or at least missed some talent in the process. ‘Sall good man Did you ever get to check out the new Black Crowes album? It is really good. Happiness Bastards? |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 8:27:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OldGlazier: Happiness Bastards? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OldGlazier: Originally Posted By macman37: Originally Posted By arowneragain: Originally Posted By macman37: This album is a great example of the best of what your point seems to be… At it’s best, Use your Illusion is fantastic. At it’s worst, it’s overproduced b-sides that should never have made it. Use your Illusion should have been edited to one spectacular disc. Another example of the 80s excess that lead to the 90s pushback.. Please do keep in mind that I am not above using sarcasm in my posts. I happen to think that use your illusion, both albums, represent the pinnacle of the 80s rock movement, even though they technically did not happen in the 80s. But you also make a fair point. In posting that, the tongue in cheek point I was trying to make, was about the ostentatious and excessive nature of literally everything. G’n’R was insanely talented yet equally insanely over the top in everything they did and I absolutely understand why the world got sick of it. November Rain was sort of the magnum opus, to me, of talent hopelessly entwined in ostentatiousness. I’m not half as mad at grunge as I make out to be. I just hate that some very good, very talented bands got lost in the shuffle, literally. And that’s sort of the point of this thread. We didn’t need another KISS imitation hair band. Fair enough. That was done to death after 15+ years. But we lost or at least missed some talent in the process. ‘Sall good man Did you ever get to check out the new Black Crowes album? It is really good. Happiness Bastards? Yep! They’ve been highly consistent over their career and Happiness Bastards is no exception. |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 8:50:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: Yep! They’ve been highly consistent over their career and Happiness Bastards is no exception. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: Originally Posted By OldGlazier: Originally Posted By macman37: Originally Posted By arowneragain: Originally Posted By macman37: This album is a great example of the best of what your point seems to be… At it’s best, Use your Illusion is fantastic. At it’s worst, it’s overproduced b-sides that should never have made it. Use your Illusion should have been edited to one spectacular disc. Another example of the 80s excess that lead to the 90s pushback.. Please do keep in mind that I am not above using sarcasm in my posts. I happen to think that use your illusion, both albums, represent the pinnacle of the 80s rock movement, even though they technically did not happen in the 80s. But you also make a fair point. In posting that, the tongue in cheek point I was trying to make, was about the ostentatious and excessive nature of literally everything. G’n’R was insanely talented yet equally insanely over the top in everything they did and I absolutely understand why the world got sick of it. November Rain was sort of the magnum opus, to me, of talent hopelessly entwined in ostentatiousness. I’m not half as mad at grunge as I make out to be. I just hate that some very good, very talented bands got lost in the shuffle, literally. And that’s sort of the point of this thread. We didn’t need another KISS imitation hair band. Fair enough. That was done to death after 15+ years. But we lost or at least missed some talent in the process. ‘Sall good man Did you ever get to check out the new Black Crowes album? It is really good. Happiness Bastards? Yep! They’ve been highly consistent over their career and Happiness Bastards is no exception. I'll check it out. |
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Posted: 5/27/2024 1:28:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: There's nothing new about it. Most people are like 10-50% sad as a baseline. People have ALWAYS liked sad music. A huge subsection of metal is sad, hopeless, and nihilistic. Fade to Black? 1984. Hell, go back to the classical opera tragedies. People have always loved sad music. Grunge is nothing new there really. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By Boomer: Yeah, the mopey, negative, depressing, self-loathing, hopelessness of the grunge genre was also probably a factor in the increased use of SSRIs and broken homes/families, too. What was it about the early 90s that made people identify with such a negative, depressing and self-loathing influence as grunge music and the musicians that performed it? I just never understood it. We just got done kicking ass in the Gulf War, we were winning the cold war, the Berlin Wall came down and yet as a culture it's like a bunch of people just gave up. There's nothing new about it. Most people are like 10-50% sad as a baseline. People have ALWAYS liked sad music. A huge subsection of metal is sad, hopeless, and nihilistic. Fade to Black? 1984. Hell, go back to the classical opera tragedies. People have always loved sad music. Grunge is nothing new there really. Yeah, we all got weepy over Seasons In The Sun and Cat’s In The Cradle. But generally those were one off songs or as you said, subsections. Not an entire genre that rose to prominence. |
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Posted: 6/4/2024 3:27:44 PM EDT
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 Damn Yankees - Come Again (Official Video) That Nugent guitar solo at ~3:00, though. |
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Posted: 6/4/2024 8:35:36 PM EDT
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 Warrant - Blind Faith |
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