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“If by chance you were to ask me which ornaments I would desire above all others in my house, I would reply, without much pause for reflection, arms and books.”
Baldassare Castiglione https://t.me/arfcom_ukebros |
Originally Posted By lorazepam:
View Quote No surprise at all. Adventure and money. Americans are not the only ones who like that stuff. |
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
View Quote Wow they just kept coming out! Like termites. Hopefully all had TBI. |
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⚔️ Exclusive video of the fight with the Muscovites in the area of n.p. Solovyov, which was shared by the fighters of the 47th OMBr
📋 On these frames, you can view one of the daily episodes of repelling the assault of Muscovites in the Solovyovo area. And here everyone has the opportunity to contemplate the small moments of the great battle in the Ocheretyny area, which have become routine for the Ukrainian military. 🔥 In this assault, the enemy used 3 vehicles and a group of infantry. First, the first T-90M flew into the village, which was met by our fighters with damage from "American democracy" and FPV drones. He symbolically stalled near the yellow-blue sign n.p. At this time, a group of infantry entered the village for further reinforcement, which at first walked as if on the beach, and then sped up after seeing the drones overhead. Artillery began to work in the village. 🗡 After some time, another T-90M tank joined the assault, which, after entering the village, received two hits, but, unfortunately, remained on the move. After feigning an "assault", he turned 180 degrees and began to run away. At that time, a third tank was coming to help, but at the entrance it was met by artillery and he suddenly changed his mind. Both gave back, but were overtaken by drones. Visual surveillance was continued behind the infantry, but she did not live there for a long time. ☠️ This is how another unsuccessful attack by the Muscovites ended, but such assaults happen all the time. And everyone can see with what efforts our fighters stand in defense of our country. 🫡 Participating, in particular, was the fighters of the Bozha Sprava unit, the Strike Drones Company unit, the BpAK 2MB Ignis Vindicta group. And of course, it is worth noting the work of the artillerymen who fed American democracy to the occupiers. https://twitter.com/Deepstate_UA/status/1788862457420579027 ??????????? ????? ??? 47-? ???? ? ??????????? ? ?????? ???? ????????? |
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“If by chance you were to ask me which ornaments I would desire above all others in my house, I would reply, without much pause for reflection, arms and books.”
Baldassare Castiglione https://t.me/arfcom_ukebros |
Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: https://i.imgur.com/tO2w5RM.png Drone hit on the Superturtle. Allegedly 8 hits without damage on the tank. https://i.imgur.com/rQtOCG1.jpeg View Quote Eventually they will perfect a design and we will see a lot more. |
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Originally Posted By Inneedofhelp: As some have already realized, we are already in the third world war. I watched a video of a squad of volunteers fighting for Ukraine destroy some Russian infantry while taking a small hill. There was someone from Canada/US/Australia/UK, at least one for each country. They killed something like 20 Russian soldiers and took two casualties shot, no fatalities. Now we have the possibility of people from those same countries fighting Chinese soldiers fighting for their ally, Russia. We just need things to go hot in East Asia/the western pacific, in order for the charade to end, just like it ended when Putin finally used the regular Russian military to invade Ukraine, instead of using “little green men” with obviously Russian infantry equipment but no insignia to take Crimea, and supporting the insurgency in Donbas. View Quote I think you will fit in nicely in this thread... |
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Originally Posted By R0N: If it is using RIM7s, those are very short ranged and only good for point defense. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By R0N: Originally Posted By Brok3n: These Buk systems have been fairly useless near the frontlines as they seem to have no game for loitering munitions on either side of their use. Best reserved for taking down Shaheeds near critical infrastructure. If it is using RIM7s, those are very short ranged and only good for point defense. As you are well aware, ADA cannot defend everything; at least in a Point Defense role they can defend something! Based on BuK performance and loss rate to date, the crews are worth more than the system. It doesn't hurt to put them defending a major power plant, troop concentration or something until you can get the crews manning something more effective, like an AVENGER or SAMP-T or even an I-HAWK or Improved S-200! |
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Let us never forget, government has no resources of its own. Government can only give to us what it has previously taken from us.
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We're Back!: Ukraine Update 2024-05-10 DIU, in English This is very good. Includes the raids on ZNPP and Nova Kakhovka, the Black Sea/Boyko Towers platforms, and Sea Babies. War for the sea: from Dnipro to Crimea ?????? ? ????????: ?? ??? ??????? ????? ??????. ????????? ????? ?????????? ?? ?????????. ??????? 1. |
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“If by chance you were to ask me which ornaments I would desire above all others in my house, I would reply, without much pause for reflection, arms and books.”
Baldassare Castiglione https://t.me/arfcom_ukebros |
“If by chance you were to ask me which ornaments I would desire above all others in my house, I would reply, without much pause for reflection, arms and books.”
Baldassare Castiglione https://t.me/arfcom_ukebros |
Originally Posted By Inneedofhelp: So if they win this war will they have golf carts in the victory day parade from now on? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Inneedofhelp: Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Because they lack the capacity to manufacture their own golf carts? So if they win this war will they have golf carts in the victory day parade from now on? Well, they are about as impressive and the old repainted T34-85 they ran down the road. just like last year. |
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Holy shit, it's reverse Jenga with drones.
Suicide drones are a veteran field in the Russia-Ukraine war and there are a variety of types, anti-tank, thermobaric, explosive, spray, etc. Now a new type is being exposed, super heavy drones whose purpose is to collapse buildings on enemy forces, whether one drone to collapse a small house, or several drones that can collapse a building.
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“If by chance you were to ask me which ornaments I would desire above all others in my house, I would reply, without much pause for reflection, arms and books.”
Baldassare Castiglione https://t.me/arfcom_ukebros |
Firefighters trying to extinguish blazes that broke out following rocket barrages at Kiryat Shmona
. Link Firefighters are still trying to extinguish blazes that broke out following the rocket barrages that were fired from Lebanon at the Kiryat Shmona area earlier Friday. According to the National Fire and Rescue Authority, crews are extinguishing fires at two locations in open areas in the region. The commander of the Authority's northern command, Brig. Yair Elyakam, said "The weather, combined with the heavy barrage, resulted in multiple [fire] scenes – a scenario for which we prepared and to which we responded with increased manpower accordingly." View Quote |
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"A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack of consideration for others in minor matters. A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than is a riot."
Robert A. Heinlein, Friday |
Originally Posted By Banditman: Acid and enough thermite would screw it up View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Banditman: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Eventually they will perfect a design and we will see a lot more. Acid and enough thermite would screw it up 120mm APFDS-T |
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„From a place you will not hear, comes a sound you will not see.“
Thanks for the membership @ Toaster |
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“If by chance you were to ask me which ornaments I would desire above all others in my house, I would reply, without much pause for reflection, arms and books.”
Baldassare Castiglione https://t.me/arfcom_ukebros |
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It's not stupid, it's advanced!!
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It's not stupid, it's advanced!!
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNQj7hnWEAAUjD6?format=jpg&name=large View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
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“If by chance you were to ask me which ornaments I would desire above all others in my house, I would reply, without much pause for reflection, arms and books.”
Baldassare Castiglione https://t.me/arfcom_ukebros |
Originally Posted By Prime:
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Last time I saw one over Pennsylvania it was over 20 years ago. |
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It's not stupid, it's advanced!!
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Originally Posted By fervid_dryfire: That Kolomoisky article is wild. Cold case murder (attempts) can be like that, though. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By fervid_dryfire: Originally Posted By Capta: UA drones hit another oil depot in Krasnodar Article on how complacency and wishful thinking got us where we are in postwar Europe. Russia building a network of prisons in occupied territory Russia bombs Kharkiv stadium, injuring four boys and three adults Latvia sends a consignment of comms Why a political “compromise” is now impossible for Ukraine Ukraine should keep up its attacks on the Russian energy infustry Ukrainian oligarch arrested on murder charges. Su-35 fighter production numbers Zelensky piece on Russian Fascism That Kolomoisky article is wild. Cold case murder (attempts) can be like that, though. Su-35 production resuming can be a problem. |
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“If by chance you were to ask me which ornaments I would desire above all others in my house, I would reply, without much pause for reflection, arms and books.”
Baldassare Castiglione https://t.me/arfcom_ukebros |
Originally Posted By Prime:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNPJa3KWwAAhLfP?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNPJa3JWAAAJWRL?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNPJa3RWsAA0Z_x?format=jpg&name=large View Quote The sheer amount of equipment required cannot be understated. Of course with a competent air force you can do with less of the other stuff, however it just shows you how under prepared Europe was and still is. That is not including what other countries donated and what Ukraine had beforehand. Europe needs to massively boost defense spending. And I mean massively. |
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
View Quote Meanwhile, in GD: |
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No man knows the day and the hour, but if the time comes, better to stand with the righteous than piss your pants like a coward.
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Originally Posted By Capta: Meanwhile, in GD: https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExbnJkeXI2OHE0ZWZvMjB0eTNzMjZkdzhydGd5bnpsbGd1YjUzaTRoMiZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/rjkJD1v80CjYs/giphy.gif View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Meanwhile, in GD: https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExbnJkeXI2OHE0ZWZvMjB0eTNzMjZkdzhydGd5bnpsbGd1YjUzaTRoMiZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/rjkJD1v80CjYs/giphy.gif Seriously?? lol. |
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It's not stupid, it's advanced!!
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ISW assessment for May 10th.
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-may-10-2024 |
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It's not stupid, it's advanced!!
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Seriously?? lol. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Meanwhile, in GD: https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExbnJkeXI2OHE0ZWZvMjB0eTNzMjZkdzhydGd5bnpsbGd1YjUzaTRoMiZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/rjkJD1v80CjYs/giphy.gif Seriously?? lol. You'd be surprised how many love slurping that delicious russian cock. |
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“Liberty and love
These two I must have. For my love, I’ll sacrifice My life. For liberty, I’ll sacrifice My love.” Petofi Sándor |
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Translated audio.
View Quote I am not a fluent speaker, but I know enough, and with yandex translate and wikitonary's help, to know that wasn't an accurate translation in a lot of places. I think that translation was made with some software that was translating text in English based on what it "hears". |
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Originally Posted By Inneedofhelp: I am not a fluent speaker, but I know enough, and with yandex translate and wikitonary's help, to know that wasn't an accurate translation in a lot of places. I think that translation was made with some software that was translating text in English based on what it "hears". View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Inneedofhelp: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Translated audio.
I am not a fluent speaker, but I know enough, and with yandex translate and wikitonary's help, to know that wasn't an accurate translation in a lot of places. I think that translation was made with some software that was translating text in English based on what it "hears". Please enlighten us as to what is being said. |
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Originally Posted By Easterner: Please enlighten us as to what is being said. View Quote It was something more in the middle, and I could be wrong. My problem with fluency is first, I don't have the vocabulary to understand everything I hear, and second, the knowledge of Russian grammar. Everything in the beginning seemed right, but I couldn't understand it all, like saying ложатся to sleep was strange to me, because we don't say it that way in English, even though, when you think about it, it makes sense, as you lie down to go to sleep. I didn't now ложаться. I know the form лежать, and maybe some of its conjugations, but I don't know its perfective form or understand why it has a reflexive form. |
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Originally Posted By Inneedofhelp: It was something more in the middle, and I could be wrong. My problem with fluency is first, I don't have the vocabulary to understand everything I hear, and second, the knowledge of Russian grammar. Everything in the beginning seemed right, but I couldn't understand it all, like saying ложатся to sleep was strange to me, because we don't say it that way in English, even though, when you think about it, it makes sense, as you lie down to go to sleep. I didn't now ложаться. I know the form лежать, and maybe some of its conjugations, but I don't know its perfective form or understand why it has a reflexive form. View Quote Some things just do not translate very well. There are different ways to say what you want based on how you did something or the means in which you did it, and also if you are speaking formally or with friends. Try typing in a translator what you want to say, and often times you will find the translation can change if you go from ENGLISH - RUSSIAN - ENGLISH and so on... Add in people with bad grammar, mumbling, excitement of battle, and who could understand. It isn't an easy language to learn. I still struggle with it, five years into it. |
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Originally Posted By Easterner: Some things just do not translate very well. There are different ways to say what you want based on how you did something, or the means in which you did it. Try typing in a translator what you want to say, and often times you will find the translation can change if you ENGLISH - RUSSIAN - ENGLISH and so on... Add in people with bad grammar, mumbling, excitement of battle, and who could understand. It isn't an easy language to learn. I still struggle with it, five years into it. View Quote I know enough that I can often read something in Russian which has been translated into English and see that at least part of the translation is not exactly how it's being said in Russian. I can understand things better, but still usually not everything, if I am reading Russian, because a lot of native speakers speak so quickly, it makes them hard to understand, but a lot of them speak slower, like at a pace that sounds like any normal English speaker to me. I can read it at my own pace if it is written instead of spoken. |
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“If by chance you were to ask me which ornaments I would desire above all others in my house, I would reply, without much pause for reflection, arms and books.”
Baldassare Castiglione https://t.me/arfcom_ukebros |
“Ballistics” out of the northeast over Dnipro, “ceased existence”, now they’re waiting for the alarms to clear.
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“If by chance you were to ask me which ornaments I would desire above all others in my house, I would reply, without much pause for reflection, arms and books.”
Baldassare Castiglione https://t.me/arfcom_ukebros |
„From a place you will not hear, comes a sound you will not see.“
Thanks for the membership @ Toaster |
Originally Posted By michigan66: With a little help from Moscow and Beijing, Israel lost the social media battle. Link. Entire article below Entire article in spoiler Click To View Spoiler With a little help from Moscow and Beijing, Israel lost the social media battle After October 7, dozens of volunteer and tech-backed initiatives organized to fill the vacuum left by the Israeli government. After six months of digital warring, it feels like a losing battle In the days and hours after the blast in Al-Ahli Hospital in Gaza on October 17, social media was rife with claims that Israel was responsible for it. Though it turned out not to be the case, even today, false posts about what happened there continue to appear online, claiming without a shadow of a doubt that it was the IDF that bombed the hospital. Many in Israel consider these posts as no more than false propaganda – fake news designed to shift international public opinion on the war in the Gaza Strip. But social media researchers and activists who fight fake news see something else: Israel's total failure in its "hasbara" (public diplomacy) campaign, which has come despite an abundance of warning signs. An analysis of these posts and of other similar ones, demonstrates that its not just popular online support boosting the false claims. Those active against the Israeli narrative are well organized. According to several social media researchers, Israeli high-tech workers who volunteered in the different influence efforts, and sources in the Israeli intelligence community, an array of forces have aligned to back the pro-Palestinian narrative. They describe a digital distribution mechanism whose nexus is accounts operated by pro-Hamas forces, including in Gaza and Iran. But its not just that: Their content reverberates widely thanks to amplification by known mouthpieces, outlets and even influence campaigns linked to Moscow and Beijing who are interested in vilifying the United States and the administration of President Joe Biden, using Gaza as an excuse. Among others, researches point to established influence networks that have already been exposed, such as the Chinese "Shadow Play" and the Russian "Doppelgänger" campaigns, both of which suddenly began to share content related to the war in Gaza after historically ignoring the topic and region. Meanwhile, these two are further amplified, not always in bad faith, by pro-Palestinian and anti-Western media groups and influencers in a variety of fields, including some who belong to the antisemitic right or the progressive left in the U.S. and EU. Anthony Goldbloom, the founder of Kaggle, which was purchased by Google, is considered a leading information scientist. Early on during the war, he sensed there was an issue online. Using his data skills, he collected information from TikTok and found that the ratio between pro-Israel and anti-Israeli videos on was 45:1. Goldbloom told Haaretz at the end of last year that a large part of the support may be organic, as there are many more Muslims than Jews globally. However, according to his analysis, over 50 percent of the pro-Palestinian videos to which Americans were exposed at the time seemed to originate in Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia. He admits that collecting data from TikTok is hard, but says that the posts he managed to collect included graphic videos, October 7 denialism, and some voicing support for Hamas and terrorism, all things that should anyway be taken offline. Coincidentally, shortly after October 7, Goldbloom encountered TikTok CEO Shou Zi Chew at a social event in the United States. He says that he tried to speak to him about the issue, but was unsuccessful. At the same time, Haaretz learned that Jewish and Israeli employees in companies such as Meta, Google and others who also identified similar issues on the platforms, tried to turn to the relevant teams via internal pipelines – and failed. As Goldbloom and other senior tech workers tried to pull strings and use connections, in Israel too efforts started being made to repel the tsunami of disinformation and incitement on social media. Private citizens who believed that the various hasbara organizations in Israel aren't sufficiently organized and weren't doing their job, began to try to fill the vacuum on their own. Among other things, an employee at TikTok Israel turned into an informal national complaint center after his personal phone number went viral among concerned parents. He was inundated with requests – but he too was unable to wield any influence. Not all of the initiatives were by individuals, though. Several civil society organizations, advertising firms and high-tech companies – some of them large and well known – had decided, concurrently and without coordination, to join the online monitoring efforts. According to information obtained by Haaretz, from the start of the war until the beginning of 2024, dozens of such independent "hasbara war rooms" were set up in an attempt to fight everything from disinformation to misinformation, to antisemitism and incitement, and also to create pro-Israeli content. But soon, these spontaneous efforts hit a wall, exposing a problem Israeli social media researchers had feared for years: Israel and the Israeli public hadn't prepared to repel an information assault of such magnitude. Volunteers, even those aided by technology, were unable to properly find content or flag it. Many resources were wasted on misplaced moderation attempts. For example, content considered insulting or problematic by those reporting was flagged, despite the fact that it didn't violate the rules of the social media platforms, and therefore in the end wasn't removed. Generally, drawing the distinction between content that is illegal, like posts that incite to violence, as opposed to content that is upsetting to Israelis, is tough – and doing so at scale is nearly impossible. Ari Ben Ami, a social media researcher and the owner of Telemetry, a company that monitors influence activity on Telegram, talks of another issue in social media monitoring. Like other researchers in the field, Ben Ami notes that nowadays, popular social media platforms like TikTok and Instagram focus on video clips – whereas the technological tools developed in the past were built for text. More importantly, all activists encountered a problem familiar to social media researchers: the inability to gather information from social media platforms, for example from closed groups or private profiles. Social media platforms, for their part, block access to their data both for their users' privacy and for financial reasons. In order to overcome this problem, the activists used Israeli companies such as Bright Data, which specializes in gathering information from open online sources, and were joined by sophisticated civilian initiatives such as Iron Truth and Digital Dome, which not only develop tools to find problematic content, but also created a monitoring pipeline to make sure that content that should be removed, actually is. These enabled the volunteers to find and report posts more easily and efficiently. Moderation was also made possible thanks to the Israeli company ActiveFence, which help social media platforms monitor posts that were reported as harmful or inciting, and to classify them accordingly. In the case of Digital Dome, a technological initiative that included a team of volunteers, over 110,000 problematic posts were successfully reported over a period of six months – about a quarter of which were removed by the social media platforms themselves. Facebook, Instagram, YouTube and even TikTok are in contact with the Israeli Justice Ministry, which notifies them of content classified as inciting according to Israeli law. However, the volunteers are still finding it difficult to work with Telegram. Nevertheless, a summary report by Digital Dome obtained by Haaretz asserts that activists who worked closely with the company managed to cause the removal of 24 Telegram channels. The organization also boasts of restricting so-called "super spreaders" of anti-Israel information, taking credit for putting an end to live meetings on X (formerly Twitter) moderated by an official Hamas spokesman, and the restriction of videos by organizations such as Eye on Palestine. Another success is related to the Israel firm XPOS, which also managed to bring about the removal of Telegram channels that spread false and inciting content, through the Justice Ministry. According to Maya Zehavi, one of the leaders of Digital Dome, it seems that social media platforms had little motivation to enforce their own guidelines concerning inciting or racist content. "It doesn't seem that there was really any urgency there, as we see in other areas such as pornography and drug dealing," she says. Recently, disinformation watchdog Fake Reporter published an investigation that exposed an Arab-language influence network called Isnad, Arabic for "support" or "reinforcement." Operated by volunteers, the network provides ready-made databases that contain anti-Israeli materials. It includes Telegram groups in which users receive daily tasks, including the dissemination of anti-Israel content and "reliable" interaction, according to the operators, of fake profiles with Israeli users, to help give the operation credibility. Their declared purpose: "to dismantle the Israeli public's support for the war, to damage the image of Israeli victory and to emphasize Gaza's steadfastness and Palestinian resistance." According to Ben Ami, other such networks exist and operate from several countries around the world. Other researchers who found similar campaigns, describe how most of them start out on Telegram and from there move to other social media platforms. Ben Ami says that so far he has been able to identify almost 300 users and channels that work for the benefit of Hamas and are indirectly linked to Iran and groups of hackers working on its behalf. However, attempts to block these channels were only partially successful. Most of the time, Telegram blocks access from Israel to groups connected to Hamas – instead of removing them. Researchers and other activists say that the true power of these influence networks is not their own. In fact, Hamas and Iran, intelligence analyst say, do not have a proper influence infrastructure in the West. The success of many of these anti-Israeli efforts stems from the fact that they receive the support of Beijing and Moscow and their online proxies. "Hamas doesn't really have a significant influence apparatus, and what they do have is mainly support from Iran," says Ben Ami. "Most of their influence is directed to the Arab world. They don't have infrastructure in the West, but China and Russia do have it. And we see how they are disproportionately focused on the war in Gaza, and how they're united on this subject in an almost unprecedented manner." "It's not only nonorganic activity, it's not only fake accounts," adds Zehavi. "If anything, what's disturbing here is that there's money from China, Russia or Qatar, which actually fund initiatives or influencers that are super spreaders – and that is entirely organic." Whatever the case, almost seven months into the war, it seems that most of the pro-Israeli volunteer organizations and tech initiatives have all but evaporated or merged. Most of them have understood that the tools at their disposal are very limited. Monitoring social media is an expensive business, and it's hard to operate it without an ongoing financial investment. But above all, it seems that the activists understood that they're fighting tremendous forces. "We're alone, as Israelis – and certainly as volunteers – we can no longer stop this," says one activist. "It's impossible to argue any more; it's simply not a level playing field." ** TikTok said in response: "In the first six months of the war we removed over 3.1 million video clips and stopped over 140,000 live broadcasts in the area of Israel, Gaza and the West Bank, due to violations of the rules of our community. These included content that promoted Hamas, hateful speech, violent extremism and misleading information. During the same period, we removed tens of millions of posts and over 320 million fake accounts all over the world." "In addition, we mobilized resources to help us to improve our proactive automatic identification and we reinforced our content-checking teams. We clarified our policy, conducted additional training sessions for content checkers, opened a designated war room for the war, and cooperated regularly with legal authorities all over the world." Israel's National Public Diplomacy Directorate: "From the first hours of the outbreak of the war the National Public Diplomacy Directorate in the Prime Minister's Office has been waging war on an unprecedented scale in the global public diplomacy arena, in order to create legitimacy for Israel's policy and for its actions on the battlefield. The [directorate's] activity embodies a multi-systemic, integrated and adapted effort for engaging in hasbara and public diplomacy, installations and productions, spokesmanship, communications and advertising activity, based on the national hasbara policy that is decided on a daily basis in the special war room that was opened in the Kirya Defense Ministry headquarters in Tel Aviv. It's important to point out in particular the 'HamasMassacre' website, which was launched in cooperation with the IDF Spokesperson in order to fight denial of the October 7 massacre." View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By michigan66: With a little help from Moscow and Beijing, Israel lost the social media battle. Link. Entire article below In the days and hours after the blast in Al-Ahli Hospital in Gaza on October 17, social media was rife with claims that Israel was responsible for it. Though it turned out not to be the case, even today, false posts about what happened there continue to appear online, claiming without a shadow of a doubt that it was the IDF that bombed the hospital. Many in Israel consider these posts as no more than false propaganda – fake news designed to shift international public opinion on the war in the Gaza Strip. But social media researchers and activists who fight fake news see something else: Israel's total failure in its "hasbara" (public diplomacy) campaign, which has come despite an abundance of warning signs. An analysis of these posts and of other similar ones, demonstrates that its not just popular online support boosting the false claims. Those active against the Israeli narrative are well organized. According to several social media researchers, Israeli high-tech workers who volunteered in the different influence efforts, and sources in the Israeli intelligence community, an array of forces have aligned to back the pro-Palestinian narrative. Entire article in spoiler Click To View Spoiler With a little help from Moscow and Beijing, Israel lost the social media battle After October 7, dozens of volunteer and tech-backed initiatives organized to fill the vacuum left by the Israeli government. After six months of digital warring, it feels like a losing battle In the days and hours after the blast in Al-Ahli Hospital in Gaza on October 17, social media was rife with claims that Israel was responsible for it. Though it turned out not to be the case, even today, false posts about what happened there continue to appear online, claiming without a shadow of a doubt that it was the IDF that bombed the hospital. Many in Israel consider these posts as no more than false propaganda – fake news designed to shift international public opinion on the war in the Gaza Strip. But social media researchers and activists who fight fake news see something else: Israel's total failure in its "hasbara" (public diplomacy) campaign, which has come despite an abundance of warning signs. An analysis of these posts and of other similar ones, demonstrates that its not just popular online support boosting the false claims. Those active against the Israeli narrative are well organized. According to several social media researchers, Israeli high-tech workers who volunteered in the different influence efforts, and sources in the Israeli intelligence community, an array of forces have aligned to back the pro-Palestinian narrative. They describe a digital distribution mechanism whose nexus is accounts operated by pro-Hamas forces, including in Gaza and Iran. But its not just that: Their content reverberates widely thanks to amplification by known mouthpieces, outlets and even influence campaigns linked to Moscow and Beijing who are interested in vilifying the United States and the administration of President Joe Biden, using Gaza as an excuse. Among others, researches point to established influence networks that have already been exposed, such as the Chinese "Shadow Play" and the Russian "Doppelgänger" campaigns, both of which suddenly began to share content related to the war in Gaza after historically ignoring the topic and region. Meanwhile, these two are further amplified, not always in bad faith, by pro-Palestinian and anti-Western media groups and influencers in a variety of fields, including some who belong to the antisemitic right or the progressive left in the U.S. and EU. Anthony Goldbloom, the founder of Kaggle, which was purchased by Google, is considered a leading information scientist. Early on during the war, he sensed there was an issue online. Using his data skills, he collected information from TikTok and found that the ratio between pro-Israel and anti-Israeli videos on was 45:1. Goldbloom told Haaretz at the end of last year that a large part of the support may be organic, as there are many more Muslims than Jews globally. However, according to his analysis, over 50 percent of the pro-Palestinian videos to which Americans were exposed at the time seemed to originate in Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia. He admits that collecting data from TikTok is hard, but says that the posts he managed to collect included graphic videos, October 7 denialism, and some voicing support for Hamas and terrorism, all things that should anyway be taken offline. Coincidentally, shortly after October 7, Goldbloom encountered TikTok CEO Shou Zi Chew at a social event in the United States. He says that he tried to speak to him about the issue, but was unsuccessful. At the same time, Haaretz learned that Jewish and Israeli employees in companies such as Meta, Google and others who also identified similar issues on the platforms, tried to turn to the relevant teams via internal pipelines – and failed. As Goldbloom and other senior tech workers tried to pull strings and use connections, in Israel too efforts started being made to repel the tsunami of disinformation and incitement on social media. Private citizens who believed that the various hasbara organizations in Israel aren't sufficiently organized and weren't doing their job, began to try to fill the vacuum on their own. Among other things, an employee at TikTok Israel turned into an informal national complaint center after his personal phone number went viral among concerned parents. He was inundated with requests – but he too was unable to wield any influence. Not all of the initiatives were by individuals, though. Several civil society organizations, advertising firms and high-tech companies – some of them large and well known – had decided, concurrently and without coordination, to join the online monitoring efforts. According to information obtained by Haaretz, from the start of the war until the beginning of 2024, dozens of such independent "hasbara war rooms" were set up in an attempt to fight everything from disinformation to misinformation, to antisemitism and incitement, and also to create pro-Israeli content. But soon, these spontaneous efforts hit a wall, exposing a problem Israeli social media researchers had feared for years: Israel and the Israeli public hadn't prepared to repel an information assault of such magnitude. Volunteers, even those aided by technology, were unable to properly find content or flag it. Many resources were wasted on misplaced moderation attempts. For example, content considered insulting or problematic by those reporting was flagged, despite the fact that it didn't violate the rules of the social media platforms, and therefore in the end wasn't removed. Generally, drawing the distinction between content that is illegal, like posts that incite to violence, as opposed to content that is upsetting to Israelis, is tough – and doing so at scale is nearly impossible. Ari Ben Ami, a social media researcher and the owner of Telemetry, a company that monitors influence activity on Telegram, talks of another issue in social media monitoring. Like other researchers in the field, Ben Ami notes that nowadays, popular social media platforms like TikTok and Instagram focus on video clips – whereas the technological tools developed in the past were built for text. More importantly, all activists encountered a problem familiar to social media researchers: the inability to gather information from social media platforms, for example from closed groups or private profiles. Social media platforms, for their part, block access to their data both for their users' privacy and for financial reasons. In order to overcome this problem, the activists used Israeli companies such as Bright Data, which specializes in gathering information from open online sources, and were joined by sophisticated civilian initiatives such as Iron Truth and Digital Dome, which not only develop tools to find problematic content, but also created a monitoring pipeline to make sure that content that should be removed, actually is. These enabled the volunteers to find and report posts more easily and efficiently. Moderation was also made possible thanks to the Israeli company ActiveFence, which help social media platforms monitor posts that were reported as harmful or inciting, and to classify them accordingly. In the case of Digital Dome, a technological initiative that included a team of volunteers, over 110,000 problematic posts were successfully reported over a period of six months – about a quarter of which were removed by the social media platforms themselves. Facebook, Instagram, YouTube and even TikTok are in contact with the Israeli Justice Ministry, which notifies them of content classified as inciting according to Israeli law. However, the volunteers are still finding it difficult to work with Telegram. Nevertheless, a summary report by Digital Dome obtained by Haaretz asserts that activists who worked closely with the company managed to cause the removal of 24 Telegram channels. The organization also boasts of restricting so-called "super spreaders" of anti-Israel information, taking credit for putting an end to live meetings on X (formerly Twitter) moderated by an official Hamas spokesman, and the restriction of videos by organizations such as Eye on Palestine. Another success is related to the Israel firm XPOS, which also managed to bring about the removal of Telegram channels that spread false and inciting content, through the Justice Ministry. According to Maya Zehavi, one of the leaders of Digital Dome, it seems that social media platforms had little motivation to enforce their own guidelines concerning inciting or racist content. "It doesn't seem that there was really any urgency there, as we see in other areas such as pornography and drug dealing," she says. Recently, disinformation watchdog Fake Reporter published an investigation that exposed an Arab-language influence network called Isnad, Arabic for "support" or "reinforcement." Operated by volunteers, the network provides ready-made databases that contain anti-Israeli materials. It includes Telegram groups in which users receive daily tasks, including the dissemination of anti-Israel content and "reliable" interaction, according to the operators, of fake profiles with Israeli users, to help give the operation credibility. Their declared purpose: "to dismantle the Israeli public's support for the war, to damage the image of Israeli victory and to emphasize Gaza's steadfastness and Palestinian resistance." According to Ben Ami, other such networks exist and operate from several countries around the world. Other researchers who found similar campaigns, describe how most of them start out on Telegram and from there move to other social media platforms. Ben Ami says that so far he has been able to identify almost 300 users and channels that work for the benefit of Hamas and are indirectly linked to Iran and groups of hackers working on its behalf. However, attempts to block these channels were only partially successful. Most of the time, Telegram blocks access from Israel to groups connected to Hamas – instead of removing them. Researchers and other activists say that the true power of these influence networks is not their own. In fact, Hamas and Iran, intelligence analyst say, do not have a proper influence infrastructure in the West. The success of many of these anti-Israeli efforts stems from the fact that they receive the support of Beijing and Moscow and their online proxies. "Hamas doesn't really have a significant influence apparatus, and what they do have is mainly support from Iran," says Ben Ami. "Most of their influence is directed to the Arab world. They don't have infrastructure in the West, but China and Russia do have it. And we see how they are disproportionately focused on the war in Gaza, and how they're united on this subject in an almost unprecedented manner." "It's not only nonorganic activity, it's not only fake accounts," adds Zehavi. "If anything, what's disturbing here is that there's money from China, Russia or Qatar, which actually fund initiatives or influencers that are super spreaders – and that is entirely organic." Whatever the case, almost seven months into the war, it seems that most of the pro-Israeli volunteer organizations and tech initiatives have all but evaporated or merged. Most of them have understood that the tools at their disposal are very limited. Monitoring social media is an expensive business, and it's hard to operate it without an ongoing financial investment. But above all, it seems that the activists understood that they're fighting tremendous forces. "We're alone, as Israelis – and certainly as volunteers – we can no longer stop this," says one activist. "It's impossible to argue any more; it's simply not a level playing field." ** TikTok said in response: "In the first six months of the war we removed over 3.1 million video clips and stopped over 140,000 live broadcasts in the area of Israel, Gaza and the West Bank, due to violations of the rules of our community. These included content that promoted Hamas, hateful speech, violent extremism and misleading information. During the same period, we removed tens of millions of posts and over 320 million fake accounts all over the world." "In addition, we mobilized resources to help us to improve our proactive automatic identification and we reinforced our content-checking teams. We clarified our policy, conducted additional training sessions for content checkers, opened a designated war room for the war, and cooperated regularly with legal authorities all over the world." Israel's National Public Diplomacy Directorate: "From the first hours of the outbreak of the war the National Public Diplomacy Directorate in the Prime Minister's Office has been waging war on an unprecedented scale in the global public diplomacy arena, in order to create legitimacy for Israel's policy and for its actions on the battlefield. The [directorate's] activity embodies a multi-systemic, integrated and adapted effort for engaging in hasbara and public diplomacy, installations and productions, spokesmanship, communications and advertising activity, based on the national hasbara policy that is decided on a daily basis in the special war room that was opened in the Kirya Defense Ministry headquarters in Tel Aviv. It's important to point out in particular the 'HamasMassacre' website, which was launched in cooperation with the IDF Spokesperson in order to fight denial of the October 7 massacre." I'm sure the article is interesting and I'm sure Moscow trolls, sends bots, and adds disinfo, but the infowar loss by Israel about the hospital bombing and other issues is 99% the fault of BBC, Reuters, ABC/NBC/CBS, PBS, CNN and all the rest of the misinfo/proHamas infested MSM that believes anything Gaza turds say. |
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Originally Posted By dedreckon: I'm sure the article is interesting and I'm sure Moscow trolls, sends bots, and adds disinfo, but the infowar loss by Israel about the hospital bombing and other issues is 99% the fault of BBC, Reuters, ABC/NBC/CBS, PBS, CNN and all the rest of the misinfo/proHamas infested MSM that believes anything Gaza turds say. View Quote Israel of today is not god's "chosen nation" like some people, even here, think. It is a secular democracy that obviously can be as incompetent as the American government was with 9/11, see how they didn't see the October 2023 attack coming. I don't want to be anywhere really on this miserable earth, but less so Israel or Ukraine, or whatever absolutely forbid, Russia right now. |
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Originally Posted By Inneedofhelp: Israel of today is not god's "chosen nation" like some people, even here, think. It is a secular democracy that obviously can be as incompetent as the American government was with 9/11, see how they didn't see the October 2023 attack coming. I don't want to be anywhere really on this miserable earth, but less so Israel or Ukraine, or whatever absolutely forbid, Russia right now. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Inneedofhelp: Originally Posted By dedreckon: I'm sure the article is interesting and I'm sure Moscow trolls, sends bots, and adds disinfo, but the infowar loss by Israel about the hospital bombing and other issues is 99% the fault of BBC, Reuters, ABC/NBC/CBS, PBS, CNN and all the rest of the misinfo/proHamas infested MSM that believes anything Gaza turds say. Israel of today is not god's "chosen nation" like some people, even here, think. It is a secular democracy that obviously can be as incompetent as the American government was with 9/11, see how they didn't see the October 2023 attack coming. I don't want to be anywhere really on this miserable earth, but less so Israel or Ukraine, or whatever absolutely forbid, Russia right now. Not to derail as this will be the only response….but the people of Israel in scripture, even during their rebellion from God, were not abandoned. God said “forever” and doesn’t go back on his word (assuming you are coming from a believers perspective). |
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View Quote Great video, actually. ⚡️Video⚡️APU hit the gathering place of rally participants⚡️ On the Day of the Donetsk People's Republic, the Armed Forces of Ukraine opened fire on Leninsky Prospekt, where participants of the festive car rally were gathering. Immediately before the start of the action, an explosion occurred when the cars with flags were ready to start. Families with children also took part in the event. Obviously, the enemy slightly miscalculated the accuracy of the strike and the attack hit two non-residential buildings, a short distance from reaching the parking lot. It was only due to this accident that the rally participants were not injured. @wargonzo https://t.me/wargonzo/19867 ⚡️Video⚡️As a result of the Ukrainian Armed Forces’ strike on Donetsk, there are deaths⚡️ On the day of the 10th anniversary of the Donetsk People's Republic, the team of the @wargonzo channel was preparing a story about a festive motor rally. We were able to talk with the creators of the famous murals in Donetsk, recalling with them the referendum of 2014, during which the Ukrainian Armed Forces also shelled the city, but for people this day was remembered as a real holiday And today, on the anniversary of this great event, the Ukrainian Armed Forces fired artillery at the gathering place of the rally participants, and a nearby restaurant was hit, where, according to preliminary data, there were dead and wounded. @wargonzo https://t.me/wargonzo/19869 |
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Originally Posted By Prime: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNRc3dQW0AA4xr-?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNRbC-nXoAAVUtJ?format=jpg&name=large View Quote A good day they did have |
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Originally Posted By Inneedofhelp: I am not a fluent speaker, but I know enough, and with yandex translate and wikitonary's help, to know that wasn't an accurate translation in a lot of places. I think that translation was made with some software that was translating text in English based on what it "hears". View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Inneedofhelp: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Translated audio.
I am not a fluent speaker, but I know enough, and with yandex translate and wikitonary's help, to know that wasn't an accurate translation in a lot of places. I think that translation was made with some software that was translating text in English based on what it "hears". That is what was mentioned in the twitter post, it was just an AI translation and they said the same as you, lots of stuff missing and such, but by the tone of the voices, things aren't going well. |
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View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: https://i.imgur.com/cBBfTJM.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/UygqyuL.jpeg A Russian manufacturer of gabion mesh, used to stabilize steep slopes, gives a presentation on how they could protect infrastructure such as oil storage tanks against long range Ukrainian drones. Start dropping the Magnesium torch bombs. I wonder if those might work on the turtle tanks as well. |
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View Quote Of course they were at the Paradise Restaurant.
Calendar guy sighting.
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Originally Posted By Inneedofhelp: Israel of today is not god's "chosen nation" like some people, even here, think. It is a secular democracy that obviously can be as incompetent as the American government was with 9/11, see how they didn't see the October 2023 attack coming. I don't want to be anywhere really on this miserable earth, but less so Israel or Ukraine, or whatever absolutely forbid, Russia right now. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Inneedofhelp: Originally Posted By dedreckon: I'm sure the article is interesting and I'm sure Moscow trolls, sends bots, and adds disinfo, but the infowar loss by Israel about the hospital bombing and other issues is 99% the fault of BBC, Reuters, ABC/NBC/CBS, PBS, CNN and all the rest of the misinfo/proHamas infested MSM that believes anything Gaza turds say. Israel of today is not god's "chosen nation" like some people, even here, think. It is a secular democracy that obviously can be as incompetent as the American government was with 9/11, see how they didn't see the October 2023 attack coming. I don't want to be anywhere really on this miserable earth, but less so Israel or Ukraine, or whatever absolutely forbid, Russia right now. Got no problem with that. I do have a problem with people blaming russia for every bit of propaganda and misinfo we in the West have. As I hope we all know, most of the sabotage of the west is coming from elites who hate western values and hate average people. |
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