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Posted: 3/26/2024 4:41:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eesmith: Here's the track: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/214740/IMG_8440-3169720.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/214740/IMG_8441-3169721.jpg That shows it coming from the port side, back out to sea... Maybe I'm just up late, tired, and seeing things - but that damned sure looks like Fort Carroll to me in the video. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 4:43:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eesmith: Here's the track: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/214740/IMG_8440-3169720.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/214740/IMG_8441-3169721.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eesmith: Originally Posted By SimonPhoto: @Gloworm19 referenced chart NOAA 12278, and while I'm no mariner, this isn't making any fucking sense to me. Here's the chart. The long video was taken from the Northwest of the bridge. I know this because the right pier for the main span, the powerline tower (with lighted top) is in front, and Fort Carrol is in the background. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/74968/Screenshot_2024-03-26_at_3_22_06 Here's a screenshot from Google Earth to show roughly how they all line up: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/74968/Screenshot_2024-03-26_at_3_24_51 Now go back and look at the long video. The ship makes a hard right, bringing it directly toward the camera. If we estimate that the ship was about 30 from heading at the camera to begin with, that puts it coming from Sollers Point Shoal - nowhere near any channel. What's more... Sollers Point Shoal has a sounding of like 7' in most places - and that ship has a draught of 12.2m. Again, I'm nowhere near an expert in this area, but I can read a damned map. I don't see how it's possible that ship was where it was by accident. ETA: Image links aren't working not sure why. I'm pretty sure I've uploaded PNGs here before... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/214740/IMG_8440-3169720.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/214740/IMG_8441-3169721.jpg Wind is also blowing from right to left. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 4:43:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eesmith: Here's the track: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/214740/IMG_8440-3169720.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/214740/IMG_8441-3169721.jpg So it looks to have just left the Seagirt Terminal and runs smack into a bridge? I wonder if the pilot was on board and called in steering and power problems. |
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USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 4:46:31 AM EDT
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That looks deliberate
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VA, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 4:48:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SnoGoRider: I don't even know what Crimea bridge looks like, I never even seen pictures of it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SnoGoRider: Originally Posted By BourbonBeast: Lmfao that’s a bridge in Ukraine from a year+ ago Doesn’t even look like the same bridge dude. Don’t go on the internet if you can’t use your brain. I don't even know what Crimea bridge looks like, I never even seen pictures of it. But you know that the Baltimore bridge isn’t a cable suspension bridge, don’t you? |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 4:48:48 AM EDT
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Is it possible the navigation system was hacked
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Posted: 3/26/2024 4:50:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: FishKepr]
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Power failed twice during the approach. If one happened during a course adjustment, would the rudder be stuck in that position?
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Posted: 3/26/2024 4:50:48 AM EDT
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Stock market is going to take a hit today and Port of Baltimore is now essentially closed for God knows how long.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 4:51:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: SamBoga]
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Live local news
 FOX45 Morning News Live helicopter video  LIVE: KEY BRIDGE COLLAPSE - wbaltv.com |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 4:54:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tac556: Holy shit. That’s not supposed to happen! So what do we think- competency crisis, failing infrastructure issues, or both? I am voting both… Worse…It was White Supremacy induced climate change!/s |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 4:55:36 AM EDT
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That was like a rubber band snapping back.
Dang! |
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SGP
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Posted: 3/26/2024 4:56:29 AM EDT
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Horrible. This will have severe economic impact on the US. I have seen many white papers on how actions like these are how to defeat the US.
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Posted: 3/26/2024 4:57:58 AM EDT
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Whats the standard crew size on a ship like that?
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SC, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 4:58:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Like_Button: Stock market is going to take a hit today and Port of Baltimore is now essentially closed for God knows how long. Pre market is green and rising. Unless their is more information indicating broader implications than an accident, there will be no effect. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 4:59:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bodybagger: According to this there should have been a pilot on board all the way from Newport News/Virginia Beach area.... A crew definitely could incapacitate the pilot and do this. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/139944/1000003248-3169715.jpg |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:01:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Actiondiver]
[#16]
Rest In Peace to those in the collapse.
Life in Baltimore is about to get a bit worse than it already is at the moment. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:01:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By juan223: Whats the standard crew size on a ship like that? |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:01:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SnoGoRider: Fox News said rescues trying to retrieve seven people from the water and the cargo ship is sinking. I know for a fact that by law a Chesapeake or Virginian pilot HAD to be on that ship. My best friend is one of them. NO WAY that happened with a live pilit on board. No way a pilot made that mistake. He was either dead or tied up. Now the ship is sinking. Let me make a bet. Its sinking right smack in the middle of the shipping channel. Terrorism? I cannot agine the traffic niw using the tunnels |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:01:44 AM EDT
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I just woke up and turned on the news and went
 But as some of you siad Port of Baltimore is closed The market is gonna take a hit All the car manufacturers have carports right there that ship cars to dealers And traffic up/down the 95 Baltimore parkway is gonna be horrible I'm wondering if people had enough time to get off the bridge 
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:04:36 AM EDT
[#20]
You know the Biden administration will blame Trump for this
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:06:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AJ-IN-JAX: How thick is DEI in the State program that licenses the pilots? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AJ-IN-JAX: Originally Posted By bodybagger: According to this there should have been a pilot on board all the way from Newport News/Virginia Beach area.... A crew definitely could incapacitate the pilot and do this. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/139944/1000003248-3169715.jpg |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:07:30 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:07:48 AM EDT
[#23]
I wonder if there is a Simpson episode that predicted this ?
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:08:27 AM EDT
[#24]
Prayers for those involved.
This does not help my phobia of bridges. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:09:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eesmith: Pilot associations are kinda like guilds and semi-inherited, it's much more difficult to get into one unless your parents are one or you're well-connected and a good networker. A pilot fuckup is much less likely to be DEI and more someone's idiot kid getting a slot they don't deserve. Regardless, I suspect this is some sort of mechanical failure. The lights going out during the approach to the bridge do seem to imply a system failure of some kind. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:10:09 AM EDT
[#26]
That's insane. I thought just a small part collapsed, this is catastrophic.
It's going to be years before they remove the old bridge and build a new one. All of the shipping lanes will be cut off in that harbor. What about Hazmat? You can't transport it through enclosed tunnels, the bridge was the only route. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:11:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RealityCheck0311: That's insane. I thought just a small part collapsed, this is catastrophic. It's going to be years before they remove the old bridge and build a new one. All of the shipping lanes will be cut off in that harbor. What about Hazmat? You can't transport it through enclosed tunnels, the bridge was the only route. Is that port completely blocked now? |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:12:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RealityCheck0311: That's insane. I thought just a small part collapsed, this is catastrophic. It's going to be years before they remove the old bridge and build a new one. All of the shipping lanes will be cut off in that harbor. What about Hazmat? You can't transport it through enclosed tunnels, the bridge was the only route. @RealityCheck0311 Gonna have to take the long way around the northern of Baltimore past Towson now |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:13:15 AM EDT
[#29]
That's going to be an expensive insurance claim...
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:13:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eesmith: Pilot associations are kinda like guilds and semi-inherited, it's much more difficult to get into one unless your parents are one or you're well-connected and a good networker. A pilot fuckup is much less likely to be DEI and more someone's idiot kid getting a slot they don't deserve. Regardless, I suspect this is some sort of mechanical failure. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eesmith: Originally Posted By AJ-IN-JAX: Originally Posted By bodybagger: According to this there should have been a pilot on board all the way from Newport News/Virginia Beach area.... A crew definitely could incapacitate the pilot and do this. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/139944/1000003248-3169715.jpg But as with most stories..... we won't be told the whole story. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:16:56 AM EDT
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From watching the video, it appears to me, the ship lost power just prior to hitting the bridge. Looks like they got power back, but who knows if they had propulsion and steering.
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USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:18:08 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AJ-IN-JAX: How thick is DEI in the State program that licenses the pilots? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AJ-IN-JAX: Originally Posted By bodybagger: According to this there should have been a pilot on board all the way from Newport News/Virginia Beach area.... A crew definitely could incapacitate the pilot and do this. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/139944/1000003248-3169715.jpg Only nepotism in harbor work. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:18:09 AM EDT
[#33]
Mayor Pete is on it
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:19:07 AM EDT
[#34]
Fuck, man
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:20:11 AM EDT
[#35]
No tinfoil here, genuine curiosity.
Are there gas lines running along the bridge? What was the cause of the explosions at the abutments and the one right of ship while the bridge was collapsing? |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:20:32 AM EDT
[#36]
That's insane.
I guess the only thing that's "good" is that it wasn't during a high traffic time of the day. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:21:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By clearedoverhead: Is that port completely blocked now? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By clearedoverhead: Originally Posted By RealityCheck0311: That's insane. I thought just a small part collapsed, this is catastrophic. It's going to be years before they remove the old bridge and build a new one. All of the shipping lanes will be cut off in that harbor. What about Hazmat? You can't transport it through enclosed tunnels, the bridge was the only route. Is that port completely blocked now? Bridge was 185ft high Pilot channel I think bybthe chart is 51 feet  Attached FileIt's gonna be blocked for a long time as they investigate and get whatever they need to clear the debris I feel bad fkr the people who use to commute each side for work whether a short trip or not There were pedestrian lanes I remember seeing |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:23:05 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SamBoga: Mayor Pete is on it
Thank goodness he's on the case. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:25:23 AM EDT
[#39]
Damn that sure seems suspicious.
That will take that port out for days or weeks
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:26:02 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AJE: Thank goodness he's on the case. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AJE: Originally Posted By SamBoga: Mayor Pete is on it
Thank goodness he's on the case. Eagerly awaiting the documentary that will undoubtedly be titled - Brokeback Bridge |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:26:22 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ToxicMasculinity: The infrastructure shouldn't have been hit. Too early to call it deliberate but it's weird. I wanna see video before it hit Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ToxicMasculinity: Originally Posted By tac556: Holy shit. That’s not supposed to happen! So what do we think- competency crisis, failing infrastructure issues, or both? I am voting both… The infrastructure shouldn't have been hit. Too early to call it deliberate but it's weird. I wanna see video before it hit Oh I agree. But there is some consideration to the possibility when things are designed. So if it was not maintained correctly, it could be part of the problem or have exacerbated the disaster. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:26:46 AM EDT
[#42]
From stock photos of the bridge, it doesn't look like it has any dolphins to prevent a direct strike.
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:27:25 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sitdwnandhngon: That's insane. I guess the only thing that's "good" is that it wasn't during a high traffic time of the day. Your right If it was the morning or evening rush hour the casualties would've been horrible |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:28:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: brass]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By glklvr: From stock photos of the bridge, it doesn't look like it has any dolphins to prevent a direct strike. They need to be putting up a few rings of ablative pylon islands to reduce impact force for when it is hit. Their "Impact rated" designs haven't worked out so well for them in practice. --ETA: The utility/marker lights have them, but not the bridge...  
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USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:29:34 AM EDT
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Francis Scott Key was rassist anyways. Coming soon, the Elijah Cummings bridge!
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:30:11 AM EDT
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I have a few coworkers that take that daily. Jesus christ
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:30:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Moyockgunner: I know for a fact that by law a Chesapeake or Virginian pilot HAD to be on that ship. My best friend is one of them. NO WAY that happened with a live pilit on board. No way a pilot made that mistake. He was either dead or tied up. Now the ship is sinking. Let me make a bet. Its sinking right smack in the middle of the shipping channel. Terrorism? I cannot agine the traffic niw using the tunnels Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Moyockgunner: Originally Posted By SnoGoRider: Fox News said rescues trying to retrieve seven people from the water and the cargo ship is sinking. I know for a fact that by law a Chesapeake or Virginian pilot HAD to be on that ship. My best friend is one of them. NO WAY that happened with a live pilit on board. No way a pilot made that mistake. He was either dead or tied up. Now the ship is sinking. Let me make a bet. Its sinking right smack in the middle of the shipping channel. Terrorism? I cannot agine the traffic niw using the tunnels I would bet the ship had an engineering casualty which resulted in an inoperative rudder. Not much you can do until power is restored or the emergency backup systems are engaged. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:31:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stillnothere: Damn, this is not going to be good. Not an engineer, but that seems like a poor bridge design. Big ship equals a huge amount of force even at slow speed. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:31:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stlrain0341: Longer video that shows the "before." Certainly seems that it steered right into the support column. Bridge went down immediately. link
That is a lot better video. Not sure anything you can build would have survived getting hit by a ship that big…. But the bridge sure went down fast…. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:32:09 AM EDT
[#50]
Damn. That's terrible.
Reminds me of the bridge in Tampa Bay. |
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