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Posted: 3/12/2024 3:39:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And it’s semi automatic and shaped like a rifle Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So far, one of their claims is "SFAR" looks like "SCAR" not kidding And it’s semi automatic and shaped like a rifle If they win, I bet KAC is not far behind with an SR-15 lawsuit. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 3:41:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does FN think they own 5moa accuracy standards? Shots fired! |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 3:46:34 PM EDT
[#3]
Baby SCAR in ODG:
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Posted: 3/12/2024 3:49:14 PM EDT
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That’ll only leave a scar.
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Posted: 3/12/2024 3:50:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The SFAR is a relatively new product, and I already knew the name was short for Small Frame Automatic Rifle, which is exactly what it is. The SCAR has been around for 15 years, and I had to look it up. SCAR is "Special Operations Forces Combat Assault Rifle?"  So the FN is actually a SOFCAR |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 3:51:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are comparing apples to toasters. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I worked for HK against ATI/GSG, so why not FN? You are comparing apples to toasters. HK didn't make a straight blowback .22, GSG did. HK sued GSG, HK made a straight blowback .22 for a higher price. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 3:51:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Avatar appropriate. Is FN joking? That's absurd. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Be interesting to see what they are claiming is a violation. So far, one of their claims is "SFAR" looks like "SCAR" not kidding Avatar appropriate. Is FN joking? That's absurd. That’s hilarious. For the record, I’d much rather have the sfar. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 3:52:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does FN think they own 5moa accuracy standards? 
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Posted: 3/12/2024 3:54:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s hilarious. For the record, I’d much rather have the sfar. Equally hilarious |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 3:55:22 PM EDT
[#10]
Is there a diff SFAR than google is showing?
If not FN be smoking the good stuff |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 3:57:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: HK didn't make a straight blowback .22, GSG did. HK sued GSG, HK made a straight blowback .22 for a higher price. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I worked for HK against ATI/GSG, so why not FN? You are comparing apples to toasters. HK didn't make a straight blowback .22, GSG did. HK sued GSG, HK made a straight blowback .22 for a higher price. GSG's sucked, HK's were bad ass! Owned both <====== |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 3:58:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there a diff SFAR than google is showing? If not FN be smoking the good stuff As has been posted, it's a Trademark suit over the name "SFAR" looking too similar to "SCAR" and not on how the rifles look. ETA: From lawsuit: 26. Notwithstanding FN’s well-known and established rights in the SCAR Mark, Ruger has commenced use of the trademark “SFAR”—pronounced as the word “SFAR” rather than an abbreviation of letters—in connection with directly competing firearms to FN’s SCAR-branded firearms (referred to herein collectively as the “Infringing SFAR Mark”). 27. Ruger’s intentional violations of FN’s rights in the SCAR Mark include Ruger referring to its own firearms products as simply the “SFAR” with no reference to the term “Ruger,” as shown for example in the image below. 28. Ruger also touts that it manufactures goods bearing the Infringing SFAR Mark at its Mayodan, NC facility (as noted in the image above at bottom-right). 29. Third parties recognize and have pronounced the Infringing SFAR Mark as “SFAR” (not “S-F-A-R,”), which is unsurprising as Ruger is not using hyphens when promoting the Infringing SFAR Mark. 30. Moreover, FN understands that Ruger markets its Infringing SFAR Mark in connection with the same firearms as FN that are very similar or nearly identical in size, purpose, weight, feel, color, caliber, capacity, features, and even style to the firearms marketed and sold by FN for nearly fifteen (15) years under the SCAR Mark. 31. Specifically, Ruger is selling firearms, including rifles chambered for the .308 Winchester and 7.62 x 51mm cartridges, using the Infringing SFAR Mark in a manner that is highly likely to cause confusion with FN’s SCAR Mark. The concept that a customer for the FN SCAR could ever be confused and mistakenly purchase the Ruger SFAR is a damned stretch. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 3:58:55 PM EDT
[#13]
Does Ruger have six different colors of FDE on the SFAR?
Tony |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 4:02:07 PM EDT
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The acronym is too similar. What a joke. Fn can suck a dick, bunch of fags
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Posted: 3/12/2024 4:05:26 PM EDT
[#15]
There should be zero grounds on an acronym.
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Posted: 3/12/2024 4:06:15 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: HK didn't make a straight blowback .22, GSG did. HK sued GSG, HK made a straight blowback .22 for a higher price. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I worked for HK against ATI/GSG, so why not FN? You are comparing apples to toasters. HK didn't make a straight blowback .22, GSG did. HK sued GSG, HK made a straight blowback .22 for a higher price. Eh... That GSG .22 was designed to look exactly like an iconic HK product. That one makes sense. This FN lawsuit is just silly and frivolous. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 4:08:24 PM EDT
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Nobody is confusing those two products, which is the basis for all trade mark infringements. FN is out of their mind.
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Posted: 3/12/2024 4:11:11 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ruger has commenced use of the trademark “SFAR”—pronounced as the word “SFAR” rather than an abbreviation of letters What in the trailer park methbilly are they talking about? Does ruger actually pronounce it as a single word, sfar? I haven't heard anybody call it that. People do say "scar", because sc is a common letter combination in english words. Not really that many sf words, except where the s and f are in different syllables, or even different words joined together. Like assfuckers. As in, FN are acting like assfuckers. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 4:14:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So far, one of their claims is "SFAR" looks like "SCAR" not kidding FN is fucking trash. Sells you a threaded barrel gun and voids the warranty if you thread something to it. Discontinues their pistol models every few years and stops supporting them. Uses the lowest allowable warranty standard dictated by federal law. Now they sue for the dumbest fucking reason to ever exist? I hope Ruger counter sues for ownership of the SCAR so it can be updated like it should have been 10 fucking years ago, and owned by guys who aren’t Biden dick cheese eating boot licking Belgian alcoholic phaggets who bend over backwards to not support their products. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 4:16:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Has FN lost a customer? I will think twice before buying a FN now. Is the Fightlite SCR name too similar as well? |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 4:18:43 PM EDT
[#21]
Now I DEFINITELY need to buy an SFAR.
ETA: I like FN, but fuck them... |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 4:19:23 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What in the trailer park methbilly are they talking about? Does ruger actually pronounce it as a single word, sfar? I haven't heard anybody call it that. People do say "scar", because sc is a common letter combination in english words. Not really that many sf words, except where the s and f are in different syllables, or even different words joined together. Like assfuckers. As in, FN are acting like assfuckers. Ruger says “ess-far” in all their videos. So is FN saying they call the “scar” the “ess-car” so they can sue Ruger.   Attached File |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 4:25:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ruger says “ess-far” in all their videos. So is FN saying they call the “scar” the “ess-car” so they can sue Ruger. Oh, so its spanish? |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 4:25:08 PM EDT
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Is FN still part of the Browning/Winchester group? If so I’m sure Winchester will be along to sue that rugers 1895 marlin is too close to their 1886 Winchester…..
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Posted: 3/12/2024 4:27:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/12/2024 5:01:51 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So an off brand, crap contract mfgr, wants to sue Ruger? FANTASTIC! The people at Ruger must be laughing their asses off! Your SCAR is shit, no matter how many idiots overpay for it! Your contract rifles Sucked Ass also???????? FN is an off brand and crappy manufacturer? |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 5:03:18 PM EDT
[#27]
Is the Ruger hard on optics also ?
At least Ruger makes handguns that work. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 5:05:40 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: As has been posted, it's a Trademark suit over the name "SFAR" looking too similar to "SCAR" and not on how the rifles look. ETA: From lawsuit: 26. Notwithstanding FN’s well-known and established rights in the SCAR Mark, Ruger has commenced use of the trademark “SFAR”—pronounced as the word “SFAR” rather than an abbreviation of letters—in connection with directly competing firearms to FN’s SCAR-branded firearms (referred to herein collectively as the “Infringing SFAR Mark”). 27. Ruger’s intentional violations of FN’s rights in the SCAR Mark include Ruger referring to its own firearms products as simply the “SFAR” with no reference to the term “Ruger,” as shown for example in the image below. 28. Ruger also touts that it manufactures goods bearing the Infringing SFAR Mark at its Mayodan, NC facility (as noted in the image above at bottom-right). 29. Third parties recognize and have pronounced the Infringing SFAR Mark as “SFAR” (not “S-F-A-R,”), which is unsurprising as Ruger is not using hyphens when promoting the Infringing SFAR Mark. 30. Moreover, FN understands that Ruger markets its Infringing SFAR Mark in connection with the same firearms as FN that are very similar or nearly identical in size, purpose, weight, feel, color, caliber, capacity, features, and even style to the firearms marketed and sold by FN for nearly fifteen (15) years under the SCAR Mark. 31. Specifically, Ruger is selling firearms, including rifles chambered for the .308 Winchester and 7.62 x 51mm cartridges, using the Infringing SFAR Mark in a manner that is highly likely to cause confusion with FN’s SCAR Mark. The concept that a customer for the FN SCAR could ever be confused and mistakenly purchase the Ruger SFAR is a damned stretch. Thanks. I was thinking of some technical innovation and not the name. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 5:12:47 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So far, one of their claims is "SFAR" looks like "SCAR" not kidding Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Be interesting to see what they are claiming is a violation. So far, one of their claims is "SFAR" looks like "SCAR" not kidding Maybe NASCAR can sue FN. Then Oliver Stone can sue because SCAR looks like Scarface. Has anyone ever sued FN for making ARs? |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 5:13:29 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So an off brand, crap contract mfgr, wants to sue Ruger? FANTASTIC! The people at Ruger must be laughing their asses off! Your SCAR is shit, no matter how many idiots overpay for it! Your contract rifles Sucked Ass also????????  FN isn't an off brand. FFS,
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Posted: 3/12/2024 5:15:52 PM EDT
[#31]
Ruger has how many military contracts?
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Posted: 3/12/2024 5:17:30 PM EDT
[#32]
maybe Colt should sue them.
It looks more like an Ar15
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Posted: 3/12/2024 5:18:53 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What is going on with that bipod? I've never seen one like that before. Nice rig though! Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks right to me. 
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Posted: 3/12/2024 5:19:16 PM EDT
[#34]
It"s a shame FN never worked out how to dye the plastic all the same color as the anodized finish. SCAR has always looked stupid because of it. Shaping the stock like a boot was also
 If they got the color right, made the stock less dumb, and angle the front of the handguard back same as the G36, man, it would have been a real winner. Poor poor silly SCAR. 
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Posted: 3/12/2024 5:19:58 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: FN is an off brand and crappy manufacturer? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So an off brand, crap contract mfgr, wants to sue Ruger? FANTASTIC! The people at Ruger must be laughing their asses off! Your SCAR is shit, no matter how many idiots overpay for it! Your contract rifles Sucked Ass also???????? FN is an off brand and crappy manufacturer? Ehh... if you never served, and you never played with an M240B or something, I could see how one might think this. Every single modern FN product I've ever played with has been somewhere between underwhelming and disappointing. The SCAR, the PS90, the FiveSeven, the 87 different polymer pistols... I picked up a FNS cheap once upon a time, but the only non-AR15 FN product I'd be interested in owning is maybe a FNX-45T, and it would have to be at a major discount because the build quality doesn't come close to matching the price tag. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 5:23:47 PM EDT
[#36]
Next up:
FN suing Disney for infringement for use of name SCAR due to similarities  |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 5:28:17 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The acronym is too similar. What a joke. Fn can suck a dick, bunch of fags Yeah its dumb. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 5:28:30 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: maybe Colt should sue them. It looks more like an Ar15Colt already made them use shitty barrels and carriers in their civilian AR line. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 5:41:09 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So is FN saying they call the “scar” the “ess-car” so they can sue Ruger.  
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Posted: 3/12/2024 5:59:07 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It"s a shame FN never worked out how to dye the plastic all the same color as the anodized finish. SCAR has always looked stupid because of it. Shaping the stock like a boot was also If they got the color right, made the stock less dumb, and angle the front of the handguard back same as the G36, man, it would have been a real winner. Poor poor silly SCAR. Any Bubba can spray-and-bake a gun one solid color like other companies do. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 6:04:31 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks. I was thinking of some technical innovation and not the name. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: As has been posted, it's a Trademark suit over the name "SFAR" looking too similar to "SCAR" and not on how the rifles look. ETA: From lawsuit: 26. Notwithstanding FN’s well-known and established rights in the SCAR Mark, Ruger has commenced use of the trademark “SFAR”—pronounced as the word “SFAR” rather than an abbreviation of letters—in connection with directly competing firearms to FN’s SCAR-branded firearms (referred to herein collectively as the “Infringing SFAR Mark”). 27. Ruger’s intentional violations of FN’s rights in the SCAR Mark include Ruger referring to its own firearms products as simply the “SFAR” with no reference to the term “Ruger,” as shown for example in the image below. 28. Ruger also touts that it manufactures goods bearing the Infringing SFAR Mark at its Mayodan, NC facility (as noted in the image above at bottom-right). 29. Third parties recognize and have pronounced the Infringing SFAR Mark as “SFAR” (not “S-F-A-R,”), which is unsurprising as Ruger is not using hyphens when promoting the Infringing SFAR Mark. 30. Moreover, FN understands that Ruger markets its Infringing SFAR Mark in connection with the same firearms as FN that are very similar or nearly identical in size, purpose, weight, feel, color, caliber, capacity, features, and even style to the firearms marketed and sold by FN for nearly fifteen (15) years under the SCAR Mark. 31. Specifically, Ruger is selling firearms, including rifles chambered for the .308 Winchester and 7.62 x 51mm cartridges, using the Infringing SFAR Mark in a manner that is highly likely to cause confusion with FN’s SCAR Mark. The concept that a customer for the FN SCAR could ever be confused and mistakenly purchase the Ruger SFAR is a damned stretch. Thanks. I was thinking of some technical innovation and not the name. They're just fed and state trademark infringement and unfair competition claims. Nothing about function, patents, trade secrets (AFAIK, I just skimmed). Though I'm not a TM lawyer, it sounds similar to their previous suit against Ruger, complaining of Ruger calling their pistol a 57. That suit got dismissed with prejudice. Shrug, maybe a similar acronym is enough? Maybe their TM counsel deserve sanctions at this point? Couldn't say. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 6:10:57 PM EDT
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Quoted: 300BLK PSA Jakl count right? Wittle baby SCAR https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/42361/IMG_0160-2998197.jpg Good enuf. Quoted: It looks like an Accu-tac bipod, maybe a WB-5? Accu-Tac SR-5 G2 that I picked up on the EE. It is stable and feels like it’s a solid welded piece. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 6:13:35 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So an off brand, crap contract mfgr, wants to sue Ruger? FANTASTIC! The people at Ruger must be laughing their asses off! Your SCAR is shit, no matter how many idiots overpay for it! Your contract rifles Sucked Ass also???????? Why was your last account banned? |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 6:38:19 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The multi color is literally my favorite thing about the SCAR. Any Bubba can spray-and-bake a gun one solid color like other companies do.  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 7:50:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The multi color is literally my favorite thing about the SCAR. Any Bubba can spray-and-bake a gun one solid color like other companies do. No shit. Any dip shit can make a gun one color. It takes true art to fuck up 6 shades of FDE…….. Really????? My 6 year old could draw a cucumber that looked like a big old dick one color. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 7:54:20 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Does FN think they own 5moa accuracy standards?  It's funny because it's true. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 7:55:40 PM EDT
[#47]
Wait, another AR?
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Posted: 3/12/2024 7:56:27 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryYour suppressor makes me feel old. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 8:00:44 PM EDT
[#49]
Is the Ruger breaking scopes too?
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Posted: 3/12/2024 8:01:58 PM EDT
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