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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:30:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTwannabe: LOL. - V6 power - V8 fuel economy - detuned Ascent motor with 12psi and 6k RPM redline - hideous black plastic cladding Subaru really half-assed the current gen WRX so they could slow roll refreshes until ICE goes away. Fucking nailed it. I have a few family members that work for Subaru. They literally wouldn’t let me buy one if I tried. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:31:29 PM EDT
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Been looking at one of these for my wife. Her Veloster Turbo is getting up there in miles.
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:43:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Emoto: The wagon is available in some of the other markets, although not with a manual transmission. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Emoto: Originally Posted By Alacrity: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/IMG_1316_jpeg-3157538.JPG This? The wagon is available in some of the other markets, although not with a manual transmission. None of the STi Sport models, except BRZ, are available with a manual in Japan. I dont believe any of the JDM FA, FB or CA engines come paired with anything but a CVT |
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Posted: 3/13/2024 8:10:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacrity: None of the STi Sport models, except BRZ, are available with a manual in Japan. I dont believe any of the JDM FA, FB or CA engines come paired with anything but a CVT That's wild! Is that due to consumer preference or is it the work of regulators? |
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Posted: 3/13/2024 9:27:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Alacrity]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Emoto: That's wild! Is that due to consumer preference or is it the work of regulators? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Emoto: Originally Posted By Alacrity: None of the STi Sport models, except BRZ, are available with a manual in Japan. I dont believe any of the JDM FA, FB or CA engines come paired with anything but a CVT That's wild! Is that due to consumer preference or is it the work of regulators? @Emoto I'm not entirely sure any answer I've been given is fully or completely correct. My incomplete impression, somewhat like States (the take rate is close as well) people prefer the convenience, especially with traffic. Partly due to the fact that the cost of upgrade (or inclusion) is no longer significant, nor is the economy or performance greatly different. As with China an Automatic is seen as up market and desirable. A manual is for the poors. Keep in mind these are performance models, but I kinda think of them as only badge STi - "Sport". Still I was surprised the S4 STi Sport Sedan was CVT (SPT) only and w/o DCCD AWD - it's a 300 unit limited run. I'm assuming it has the same 4kg VCU the States CVT/SPT has, not a more viscous Motorsports unit "Real stuff" like the S207 and S208 were manual and I doubt any JDM buyer would accept a SPT here. But that's kinda immaterial given we won't see another actual Subaru Tecnica International - the ER-A being electric. It's disappointing |
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Posted: 3/13/2024 9:49:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacrity: @Emoto I'm not entirely sure any answer I've been given is fully or completely correct. My incomplete impression, somewhat like States (the take rate is close as well) people prefer the convenience, especially with traffic. Partly due to the fact that the cost of upgrade (or inclusion) is no longer significant, nor is the economy or performance greatly different. As with China an Automatic is seen as up market and desirable. A manual is for the poors. Keep in mind these are performance models, but I kinda think of them as only badge STi - "Sport". Still I was surprised the S4 STi Sport Sedan was CVT (SPT) only and w/o DCCD AWD - it's a 300 unit limited run. I'm assuming it has the same 4kg VCU the States CVT/SPT has, not a more viscous Motorsports unit "Real stuff" like the S207 and S208 were manual and I doubt any JDM buyer would accept a SPT here. But that's kinda immaterial given we won't see another actual Subaru Tecnica International - the ER-A being electric. It's disappointing Interesting. I am not 100% with you. What does "the same 4kg VCU the States CVT/SPT has" mean? The manufacturers need to wake up to the fact that most people don't want an electric car. |
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Posted: 3/13/2024 10:05:57 PM EDT
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Is OP planning on rocking a backwards flatbill Tapout cap and getting a DUI from Miller Lites at a Hooters happy hour?
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Posted: 3/14/2024 8:52:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Alacrity]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Emoto: Interesting. I am not 100% with you. What does "the same 4kg VCU the States CVT/SPT has" mean? The manufacturers need to wake up to the fact that most people don't want an electric car. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Emoto: Originally Posted By Alacrity: @Emoto I'm not entirely sure any answer I've been given is fully or completely correct. My incomplete impression, somewhat like States (the take rate is close as well) people prefer the convenience, especially with traffic. Partly due to the fact that the cost of upgrade (or inclusion) is no longer significant, nor is the economy or performance greatly different. As with China an Automatic is seen as up market and desirable. A manual is for the poors. Keep in mind these are performance models, but I kinda think of them as only badge STi - "Sport". Still I was surprised the S4 STi Sport Sedan was CVT (SPT) only and w/o DCCD AWD - it's a 300 unit limited run. I'm assuming it has the same 4kg VCU the States CVT/SPT has, not a more viscous Motorsports unit "Real stuff" like the S207 and S208 were manual and I doubt any JDM buyer would accept a SPT here. But that's kinda immaterial given we won't see another actual Subaru Tecnica International - the ER-A being electric. It's disappointing Interesting. I am not 100% with you. What does "the same 4kg VCU the States CVT/SPT has" mean? The manufacturers need to wake up to the fact that most people don't want an electric car. Conflated two thoughts in a late night post. Should have read "I'm assuming it has the same VTD the States CVT/SPT has, older manuals same 4kg VCU" Unsure sure if any of the JDM VCUs (technically vLSDs) were different than States. VCUs are rated by ability to transfer torque - factory tends to be in the range of 3-6 kgf-m/100rpm. Subie stock is "4kg". Increasing the transfer rating (through fill volume/increased viscosity shear fluid and design of the plate pack) does some good things for traction, VCU response (less lag, which is an issue for VCU) and durability. The last was an issue for early Toyota All-Trac VCUs, which could outright fail (either very little transfer or seized) but in many cases saw noticeably diminished performance well before 100k. All VCUs degrade with use and wear. In Motorsports application you see 10-25kg VCUs, which changes the dynamics of the vehicle markedly. Most noticeably increasing understeer significantly, esp as turn radius decreases. Ok for an experienced driver on a competition circuit, especially since there's modifications (stiffer roll bars, modified pressures tho in Rally pressure peak over a stage, etc) to mitigate. But the dynamics become more abrupt and require more corrective inputs, and stresses on components increase as activation and transfer rates increase. Not behavior mfgs want in a warranted road car. Tho some have tried various means to increase VCU transfer response (Porsche 993 system was more successful then the VW Rallye). The real issue is Group A homologation rules, that drove Rally Specials went away in '97, so mfgs no longer push top, expensive, competent systems to production cars since the counter-veiling reasons are all that is left. |
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Posted: 3/14/2024 3:53:13 PM EDT
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Sorry, but I am way behind. What I meant to ask was What do the abbreviations VCU and VTD stand for?
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Posted: 3/14/2024 5:21:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Emoto: Sorry, but I am way behind. What I meant to ask was What do the abbreviations VCU and VTD stand for? Well shit VCU - Viscous Coupling Unit. Subies with manual have a vLSD (Viscous Limited Slip Differential) integrated into the tail of the transmission case as the Center Diff VTD - Variable Torque Distribution. WRX with SPT ( and previously some trims and models with AT and maybe CVTs, but can't think of one) have a different AWD system - Planetary Gear /Electronically Controlled Clutch Pack. It's interesting to see the difference in various tests and paces. |
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Posted: 3/14/2024 5:32:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTwannabe: LOL. - V6 power - V8 fuel economy - detuned Ascent motor with 12psi and 6k RPM redline - hideous black plastic cladding Subaru really half-assed the current gen WRX so they could slow roll refreshes until ICE goes away. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTwannabe: Originally Posted By Andrewsky: Buy one now. It is a perfect car. LOL. - V6 power - V8 fuel economy - detuned Ascent motor with 12psi and 6k RPM redline - hideous black plastic cladding Subaru really half-assed the current gen WRX so they could slow roll refreshes until ICE goes away. Do grown men fit in them? I didn't think so. |
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Posted: 3/14/2024 5:35:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By slow3v: To be fair tuned f150s do that too Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By slow3v: Originally Posted By TripleC: Dyno test. Show that just with an OTS tune on a stock car went 0-60 in 4.6.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOhDxXNU6SESo will a bone stock G70 3.3t |
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Posted: 3/14/2024 6:04:36 PM EDT
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I smoked one this morning with my Yukon Denali
 We were both first at a light, I left kind of aggressive, you never know when it might be a race. Anyhow he was trying to stay at the rear door so I punched it... Buh by Subie Doo
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Posted: 3/14/2024 7:28:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Houstons_Problem]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Homernomer: Do grown men fit in them? I didn't think so. Some enormously fat guy might need to stick with a pickup truck which can accommodate heaps of blubber since pickups aren't designed with seat bolstering to hold a driver in on high g turns. A few actually fit men who are actually large by the pre 1990's definition and not just hippos might also need a large vehicle with no side bolstering. |
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Posted: 3/14/2024 7:43:01 PM EDT
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I drove one today. Sales guy wasn't really comfortable with the manual. It has been years but I did pretty well. Also, the W is nice. A hell of a lot more comfortable than the Veloster.
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PA, USA
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Posted: 3/14/2024 7:52:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: abpt1]
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2017 wrx tuned short shift 6MT ordered it picked it up with 2 or 3 miles put 50k on it outstanding performance for the 2.0li twin-scroll. Honestly the tune and short shifter make it a totally different car.
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Posted: 3/14/2024 7:57:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MobileHomie: I smoked one this morning with my Yukon Denali We were both first at a light, I left kind of aggressive, you never know when it might be a race. Anyhow he was trying to stay at the rear door so I punched it... Buh by Subie Doo I don't think that would happen with my WRX  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/14/2024 9:33:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Emoto]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacrity: Well shit VCU - Viscous Coupling Unit. Subies with manual have a vLSD (Viscous Limited Slip Differential) integrated into the tail of the transmission case as the Center Diff VTD - Variable Torque Distribution. WRX with SPT ( and previously some trims and models with AT and maybe CVTs, but can't think of one) have a different AWD system - Planetary Gear /Electronically Controlled Clutch Pack. It's interesting to see the difference in various tests and paces.  Thanks for that! Ok, I did know, from a mechanical standpoint, about the two different types of center diffs. Just didn't get the acronyms. Now I do know what you were talking about. Would have been more fun to have a user-controllable one, but given that the WRX is a car with an MSRP far below that of the average US car sale price, what there is, is fine with me. |
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Posted: 3/14/2024 9:46:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Emoto: Thanks for that! Ok, I did know, from a mechanical standpoint, about the two different types of center diffs. Just didn't get the acronyms. Now I do know what you were talking about. Would have been more fun to have a user-controllable one, but given that the WRX is a car with an MSRP far below that of the average US car sale price, what there is, is fine with me. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Emoto: Originally Posted By Alacrity: Well shit VCU - Viscous Coupling Unit. Subies with manual have a vLSD (Viscous Limited Slip Differential) integrated into the tail of the transmission case as the Center Diff VTD - Variable Torque Distribution. WRX with SPT ( and previously some trims and models with AT and maybe CVTs, but can't think of one) have a different AWD system - Planetary Gear /Electronically Controlled Clutch Pack. It's interesting to see the difference in various tests and paces. Thanks for that! Ok, I did know, from a mechanical standpoint, about the two different types of center diffs. Just didn't get the acronyms. Now I do know what you were talking about. Would have been more fun to have a user-controllable one, but given that the WRX is a car with an MSRP far below that of the average US car sale price, what there is, is fine with me. Very gooddetailed technical explanation of DCCD. https://subaruidiots.com/dccd-subaru-sti-explained/ Peeps can talk edgy shit all they want, but for the cheddar, they do much well. As a couple peeps have pointed out, great base for a bit of work. Subie isn't in my top 4 gravel cars, but I won't snark out on them cos they're still legit in a very small field. The loss of STi models is something everyone should bemoan, as should thier departure from the highest levels of Motorsports. |
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Posted: 3/14/2024 10:00:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacrity: Very gooddetailed technical explanation of DCCD. https://subaruidiots.com/dccd-subaru-sti-explained/ Peeps can talk edgy shit all they want, but for the cheddar, they do much well. As a couple peeps have pointed out, great base for a bit of work. Subie isn't in my top 4 gravel cars, but I won't snark out on them cos they're still legit in a very small field. The loss of STi models is something everyone should bemoan, as should thier departure from the highest levels of Motorsports. Thanks for the link. Will read that. Looks like a cool web site. Yeah, I mean it is a very fun car. When you think about it, fun to drive full-time AWD, manual gearbox, four door sedans, for relatively short money, are not common. I am not going to get involved in competition, so don't care much how it ranks against others that likely cost a lot more anyway. |
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Posted: 3/15/2024 6:51:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Alacrity]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Emoto: Thanks for the link. Will read that. Looks like a cool web site. Yeah, I mean it is a very fun car. When you think about it, fun to drive full-time AWD, manual gearbox, four door sedans, for relatively short money, are not common. I am not going to get involved in competition, so don't care much how it ranks against others that likely cost a lot more anyway. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Emoto: Originally Posted By Alacrity: Very gooddetailed technical explanation of DCCD. https://subaruidiots.com/dccd-subaru-sti-explained/ Peeps can talk edgy shit all they want, but for the cheddar, they do much well. As a couple peeps have pointed out, great base for a bit of work. Subie isn't in my top 4 gravel cars, but I won't snark out on them cos they're still legit in a very small field. The loss of STi models is something everyone should bemoan, as should thier departure from the highest levels of Motorsports. Thanks for the link. Will read that. Looks like a cool web site. Yeah, I mean it is a very fun car. When you think about it, fun to drive full-time AWD, manual gearbox, four door sedans, for relatively short money, are not common. I am not going to get involved in competition, so don't care much how it ranks against others that likely cost a lot more anyway. My comment isn't entirely fair, as you can only source 1 other of the 4 in the US,  Attached Fileand one of the others isn't current. But I segment AWD choices from tarmac specialists. Here sub-$50k Civic R is Mac Daddy, punching way above its weight, despite the price. But as I said for the money, base, not sure what beyond a WRX you'd buy with a manual. Elantra N? Maybe, tho I've only had brief jaunts. Civic Si is the most compelling, but neithers AWD. A bit more money and a bit difficult to find but I'd prolly roll a Corolla GR, tho I'm salty as hell there's a Corolla GR. If there was a Yaris GR Marizo in the market, the States deserves, that would be my choice regardless of price.  Attached FileThis stunned me tho. The WRX price increasing almost 20% over 4 model years hampers and makes other buys attractive. I guess you could buy a F150, or a G70. You'd lose some, but with one you'd get a load from Home Depot, the other. . .the persistent snicker of valets when you ask them to park it up front "With the Germans mate?" |
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Posted: 3/15/2024 7:21:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacrity: My comment isn't entirely fair, as you can only source 1 other of the 4 in the US, But as I said for the money, base, not sure what beyond a WRX you'd buy with a manual. Elantra N? Maybe, tho I've only had brief jaunts. Civic Si is the most compelling, but neithers AWD. A bit more money and a bit difficult to find but I'd prolly roll a Corolla GR, tho I'm salty as hell there's a Corolla GR. If there was a Yaris GR Marizo in the market, the States deserves, that would be my choice regardless of price. IMHO, I'm not sure why you'd buy a Civic Si any more when the Elantra N exists. The EN is 85% of the performance of the Civic Type R, costs maybe $3k over the Si, and that's before stupid Honda dealer markup shenanigans. Elantra N's can easily be had for MSRP (or less). The Si does have a better shifter vs the manual EN, but it's not like the EN is undriveable, and the Si does get better gas mileage, though I'm not really sure too many people care overly much about gas mileage in this segment. |
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Posted: 3/15/2024 7:57:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Alacrity]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MVolkJ: IMHO, I'm not sure why you'd buy a Civic Si any more when the Elantra N exists. The EN is 85% of the performance of the Civic Type R, costs maybe $3k over the Si, and that's before stupid Honda dealer markup shenanigans. Elantra N's can easily be had for MSRP (or less). The Si does have a better shifter vs the manual EN, but it's not like the EN is undriveable, and the Si does get better gas mileage, though I'm not really sure too many people care overly much about gas mileage in this segment. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MVolkJ: Originally Posted By Alacrity: My comment isn't entirely fair, as you can only source 1 other of the 4 in the US, But as I said for the money, base, not sure what beyond a WRX you'd buy with a manual. Elantra N? Maybe, tho I've only had brief jaunts. Civic Si is the most compelling, but neithers AWD. A bit more money and a bit difficult to find but I'd prolly roll a Corolla GR, tho I'm salty as hell there's a Corolla GR. If there was a Yaris GR Marizo in the market, the States deserves, that would be my choice regardless of price. IMHO, I'm not sure why you'd buy a Civic Si any more when the Elantra N exists. The EN is 85% of the performance of the Civic Type R, costs maybe $3k over the Si, and that's before stupid Honda dealer markup shenanigans. Elantra N's can easily be had for MSRP (or less). The Si does have a better shifter vs the manual EN, but it's not like the EN is undriveable, and the Si does get better gas mileage, though I'm not really sure too many people care overly much about gas mileage in this segment. Bluntly, because it's Korean Motors. Given the alarming number of personal contacts that have had issues - thefts, even after the update. Damage when thieves don't realize it's not vulnerable. Insurance cancellations and untenable increases - I'm no longer a fan. The killer is the manner in which KM conducts business when a significant number customers seeking repairs under settlement have been dissuaded, denied or turn away. We've had a couple here recently. The multiple NHSTA investigations and settlements that have resulted in a few billion in cost was bad enough. But the stories emanating recently are cause for pause. Least Kim Gwang-ho got paid - $21M. In my view, the juice certainly ain't worth the squeeze. Maybe in a few years, but not now. https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/first-whistleblower-award The Type R is magic at the track. As a daily, the N OR Si, or WRX would be a better choice in this slice. But I can't reco KM any longer - dog's bit well to many times at this point. ETA: FWIW 'Base MSRP, '24, the gap between Si and EN is approaching $5k. I generally don't focus on price, but 15% in this segment is something that will change minds. Especially given the gap in post sales experience. |
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Posted: 3/15/2024 8:12:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Houstons_Problem: Grown men fit. Subarus generally have good seating. Some enormously fat guy might need to stick with a pickup truck which can accommodate heaps of blubber since pickups aren't designed with seat bolstering to hold a driver in on high g turns. A few actually fit men who are actually large by the pre 1990's definition and not just hippos might also need a large vehicle with no side bolstering. 
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Posted: 3/15/2024 8:26:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacrity: Bluntly, because it's Korean Motors. Given the alarming number of personal contacts that have had issues - thefts, even after the update. Damage when thieves don't realize it's not vulnerable. Insurance cancellations and untenable increases - I'm no longer a fan. The killer is the manner in which KM conducts business when a significant number customers seeking repairs under settlement have been dissuaded, denied or turn away. We've had a couple here recently. The multiple NHSTA investigations and settlements that have resulted in a few billion in cost was bad enough. But the stories emanating recently are cause for pause. Least Kim Gwang-ho got paid - $21M. In my view, the juice certainly ain't worth the squeeze. Maybe in a few years, but not now. https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/first-whistleblower-award The Type R is magic at the track. As a daily, the N OR Si, or WRX would be a better choice in this slice. But I can't reco KM any longer - dog's bit well to many times at this point. ETA: FWIW 'Base MSRP, '24, the gap between Si and EN is approaching $5k. I generally don't focus on price, but 15% in this segment is something that will change minds. Especially given the gap in post sales experience. That's a fair point. Hyundai/Kia still have a ways to go before they're up to the level of the Japanese makers on reliability and willingness to stand behind product. They do seem to be trying to improve, though. I think I'm just more inclined to reward them for at least taking a chance on making silly performance trims like the Elantra/Veloster/Kona N models. |
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Posted: 3/15/2024 9:23:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Emoto]
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacrity: My comment isn't entirely fair, as you can only source 1 other of the 4 in the US, https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/IMG_0424_jpeg-3159400.JPG and one of the others isn't current. But I segment AWD choices from tarmac specialists. Here sub-$50k Civic R is Mac Daddy, punching way above its weight, despite the price. But as I said for the money, base, not sure what beyond a WRX you'd buy with a manual. Elantra N? Maybe, tho I've only had brief jaunts. Civic Si is the most compelling, but neithers AWD. A bit more money and a bit difficult to find but I'd prolly roll a Corolla GR, tho I'm salty as hell there's a Corolla GR. If there was a Yaris GR Marizo in the market, the States deserves, that would be my choice regardless of price. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/IMG_4849_jpeg-3159402.JPG This stunned me tho. The WRX price increasing almost 20% over 4 model years hampers and makes other buys attractive. I guess you could buy a F150, or a G70. You'd lose some, but with one you'd get a load from Home Depot, the other. . .the persistent snicker of valets when you ask them to park it up front "With the Germans mate?" Unfair? LOL. I don't care. I just don't like front wheel drive, so won't even consider any FWD cars or any of the AWD cars that are not full-time AWD. Plus, I wanted a sedan this time around. A sedan. Not interested in hatchbacks. I've lived with one before, so I understand fully what they are like. Don't want one. I have a 4-door Wrangler for wagon/utility duty that more than covers anything a hatchback can do. I know that appearance is subjective, but when I first saw a photo of the Corolla GR, I thought it was one of the ugliest cars I've ever seen.  ETA: Ditto on not buying Korean. |
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Posted: 3/15/2024 10:20:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Emoto: Unfair? LOL. I don't care. I just don't like front wheel drive, so won't even consider any FWD cars or any of the AWD cars that are not full-time AWD. Plus, I wanted a sedan this time around. A sedan. Not interested in hatchbacks. I've lived with one before, so I understand fully what they are like. Don't want one. I have a 4-door Wrangler for wagon/utility duty that more than covers anything a hatchback can do. I know that appearance is subjective, but when I first saw a photo of the Corolla GR, I thought it was one of the ugliest cars I've ever seen. ETA: Ditto on not buying Korean. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Emoto: Originally Posted By Alacrity: My comment isn't entirely fair, as you can only source 1 other of the 4 in the US, https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/IMG_0424_jpeg-3159400.JPG and one of the others isn't current. But I segment AWD choices from tarmac specialists. Here sub-$50k Civic R is Mac Daddy, punching way above its weight, despite the price. But as I said for the money, base, not sure what beyond a WRX you'd buy with a manual. Elantra N? Maybe, tho I've only had brief jaunts. Civic Si is the most compelling, but neithers AWD. A bit more money and a bit difficult to find but I'd prolly roll a Corolla GR, tho I'm salty as hell there's a Corolla GR. If there was a Yaris GR Marizo in the market, the States deserves, that would be my choice regardless of price. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/IMG_4849_jpeg-3159402.JPG This stunned me tho. The WRX price increasing almost 20% over 4 model years hampers and makes other buys attractive. I guess you could buy a F150, or a G70. You'd lose some, but with one you'd get a load from Home Depot, the other. . .the persistent snicker of valets when you ask them to park it up front "With the Germans mate?" Unfair? LOL. I don't care. I just don't like front wheel drive, so won't even consider any FWD cars or any of the AWD cars that are not full-time AWD. Plus, I wanted a sedan this time around. A sedan. Not interested in hatchbacks. I've lived with one before, so I understand fully what they are like. Don't want one. I have a 4-door Wrangler for wagon/utility duty that more than covers anything a hatchback can do. I know that appearance is subjective, but when I first saw a photo of the Corolla GR, I thought it was one of the ugliest cars I've ever seen. ETA: Ditto on not buying Korean. Well when you can't buy two on my mental list in the states (and the RS is no longer available at all) - it's not a fair comparison for me to make. My issue with the Corolla GR is solely that it's not a Yaris GR. It's still a fantastic, really top effort. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 3/15/2024 10:22:19 AM EDT
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Long time wrx guy here.
The new one looks like someone asked the design team to draw a generic import sporty car. Rear and says civic, everything else is blah |
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Posted: 3/15/2024 10:25:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JustinU235: I am but exploring a different daily. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JustinU235: Originally Posted By Janus: I though you were a Beemer guy? I daily drove a '16 for a couple of years ~25K miles. Long enough to get the desire to ever drive another manual out of my system. In the end I was only taking it out to drive on the lakes in the winter. That seems to be the only time it's lack of power didn't matter. I unloaded it at the height of the used car craziness. If I were to revisit that class of vehicle I'd be taking a hard look at a Golf R DSG. I am but exploring a different daily. What BMW is your current daily? |
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Posted: 3/15/2024 10:31:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacrity: My comment isn't entirely fair, as you can only source 1 other of the 4 in the US, https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/IMG_0424_jpeg-3159400.JPG and one of the others isn't current. But I segment AWD choices from tarmac specialists. Here sub-$50k Civic R is Mac Daddy, punching way above its weight, despite the price. But as I said for the money, base, not sure what beyond a WRX you'd buy with a manual. Elantra N? Maybe, tho I've only had brief jaunts. Civic Si is the most compelling, but neithers AWD. A bit more money and a bit difficult to find but I'd prolly roll a Corolla GR, tho I'm salty as hell there's a Corolla GR. If there was a Yaris GR Marizo in the market, the States deserves, that would be my choice regardless of price. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/IMG_4849_jpeg-3159402.JPG This stunned me tho. The WRX price increasing almost 20% over 4 model years hampers and makes other buys attractive. I guess you could buy a F150, or a G70. You'd lose some, but with one you'd get a load from Home Depot, the other. . .the persistent snicker of valets when you ask them to park it up front "With the Germans mate?" If you plan to keep it mostly stock the Civic Si is a great DD. The 1.5 cant take mods, it barely holds it together as it is. |
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Posted: 3/15/2024 10:42:08 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bogdan: If you plan to keep it mostly stock the Civic Si is a great DD. The 1.5 cant take mods, it barely holds it together as it is. |
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Posted: 3/15/2024 10:47:03 AM EDT
[#32]
I have a '22 premium 6 speed. I don't daily drive it as I only have about 7K on the clock. It puts a smile on my face every time I get behind the wheel. Super responsive and handles really well. I'm looking forward to doing the Cobb stage 2 tune when I get a few more miles on it because I'm expecting that doing the tune will void the warranty.
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Posted: 3/15/2024 10:48:40 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RayFromJersey: I hear the base civic with the 2.0 is a better tuner car lol. Stock boost is just over 20 psi, on top of that the crank is one of the skinniest narrowest pieces of shit ever made that is a cunt hair away from snapping in half as it is for fuel economy. Shitty weak headstuds and insane PSI and HP for a tiny engine makes for constantly blow head gaskets in stock form. You mod it? Well enjoy 2 worry free months or so before it blows. |
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Posted: 3/15/2024 11:13:10 AM EDT
[#34]
Drove my BIL's. I was not impressed.
Subjectively, it's hideous, esp that black plastic trim. The powertrain felt muted, sluggish, uneventful, and heavy. I suspect this is due to the weight of the AWD system, and perhaps to make it pedestrian enough to sell with 3 pedals. It wasn't fun to drive, going up or down the gears, rev matching etc. The steering, which I assume is electronic was sharp and quick-very surprising. The interior is nicer compared to previous gens. |
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Posted: 3/15/2024 11:14:00 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By car_wash_guy: What BMW is your current daily? |
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Posted: 3/15/2024 12:46:06 PM EDT
[#36]
they are ugly, don't do it
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Posted: 3/15/2024 12:49:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Alacrity]
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bogdan: If you plan to keep it mostly stock the Civic Si is a great DD. The 1.5 cant take mods, it barely holds it together as it is. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bogdan: Originally Posted By Alacrity: My comment isn't entirely fair, as you can only source 1 other of the 4 in the US, https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/IMG_0424_jpeg-3159400.JPG and one of the others isn't current. But I segment AWD choices from tarmac specialists. Here sub-$50k Civic R is Mac Daddy, punching way above its weight, despite the price. But as I said for the money, base, not sure what beyond a WRX you'd buy with a manual. Elantra N? Maybe, tho I've only had brief jaunts. Civic Si is the most compelling, but neithers AWD. A bit more money and a bit difficult to find but I'd prolly roll a Corolla GR, tho I'm salty as hell there's a Corolla GR. If there was a Yaris GR Marizo in the market, the States deserves, that would be my choice regardless of price. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/IMG_4849_jpeg-3159402.JPG This stunned me tho. The WRX price increasing almost 20% over 4 model years hampers and makes other buys attractive. I guess you could buy a F150, or a G70. You'd lose some, but with one you'd get a load from Home Depot, the other. . .the persistent snicker of valets when you ask them to park it up front "With the Germans mate?" If you plan to keep it mostly stock the Civic Si is a great DD. The 1.5 cant take mods, it barely holds it together as it is. Didnt consider buyers in a cost sensitive segment like this, might mod a new DD. But you're certainly not wrong. @RayFromJersey As for the K20C2, what mods? Not sure the base is still using the JDJC and the L15B7 mated w MCKA (if they aren't it's a derivative) but since FE /FL is stick-less outside Si and R, not inclined to push either CVT any farther. I don't get the ugly veto. I'm not screwing it. If it's fast, engaging and fun, aesthetics are immaterial to me. I'd dig me a Maxi 5 Turbo or Nissan Juke R. |
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Posted: 3/15/2024 5:18:43 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacrity: Well when you can't buy two on my mental list in the states (and the RS is no longer available at all) - it's not a fair comparison for me to make. My issue with the Corolla GR is solely that it's not a Yaris GR. It's still a fantastic, really top effort. Nothing says 'boring, bland, econobox' like the Corolla name. Total buzz crusher, to me anyway. Not to mention - and I have been criticized elsewhere for saying this - but squeezing 300 hp from a 1.6L triple with 25lbs of boost does not sound like a recipe for longevity. I could be wrong, and I hope they last forever, but they worry me. |
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Posted: 3/15/2024 6:41:46 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Emoto: Nothing says 'boring, bland, econobox' like the Corolla name. Total buzz crusher, to me anyway. Not to mention - and I have been criticized elsewhere for saying this - but squeezing 300 hp from a 1.6L triple with 25lbs of boost does not sound like a recipe for longevity. I could be wrong, and I hope they last forever, but they worry me. Those 3-bangers are pretty stout... used in the GR Yaris for years and people push them over 500hp on stock internals without much trouble. Main problem is the Toyota dealer is going to want $10k over sticker because they're in short supply which kills the value proposition. |
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Posted: 3/15/2024 7:21:11 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTwannabe: Those 3-bangers are pretty stout... used in the GR Yaris for years and people push them over 500hp on stock internals without much trouble. Main problem is the Toyota dealer is going to want $10k over sticker because they're in short supply which kills the value proposition. Supply has gotten a bit better, at the very least there aren't long lists at each dealer any more. About 18 reportedly unsold incoming to Toyota dealers 'near' me, with two on the lots apparently unsold. There are a few at MSRP in that list, and while there are some dealers still charging ADM I can't say that any of them that are really shock me given my experience with them. It's certainly not worth the ADM, arguably none of the cars in this price segment ever have been. |
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Posted: 3/16/2024 3:54:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Alacrity]
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Emoto: Nothing says 'boring, bland, econobox' like the Corolla name. Total buzz crusher, to me anyway. Not to mention - and I have been criticized elsewhere for saying this - but squeezing 300 hp from a 1.6L triple with 25lbs of boost does not sound like a recipe for longevity. I could be wrong, and I hope they last forever, but they worry me. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Emoto: Originally Posted By Alacrity: Well when you can't buy two on my mental list in the states (and the RS is no longer available at all) - it's not a fair comparison for me to make. My issue with the Corolla GR is solely that it's not a Yaris GR. It's still a fantastic, really top effort. Nothing says 'boring, bland, econobox' like the Corolla name. Total buzz crusher, to me anyway. Not to mention - and I have been criticized elsewhere for saying this - but squeezing 300 hp from a 1.6L triple with 25lbs of boost does not sound like a recipe for longevity. I could be wrong, and I hope they last forever, but they worry me. Holy Shit! Does this mean the Initial D thing is played out!? Can I score a Silver or Black top cheap? I'm stoked! 20v FTW!  Attached FileOr one of these firesaled? Anyone has a Corolla WRC they're looking to unload ez, PM me  But I feel ya bro, the Corolla GR has a distinct Corolla FX16 Vibe. Unlike the FX16, it's got the goods, but I remain salty. Still there's been a few sub 3:00 min VIR runs and peeps are hitting the Esses past 120. Serious work. But that's the $50k+ trim, but it's doing shit that's $25k more ain't. On gravel  Yaris tho. . . Lot of chatter about what a dumb move given its bottom feeder nameplate. But I understand the marketing tie in for Europe, and the production reqs for homologation. Which is the attraction for me - it's a full on Rally Special, built to ensure the competition units have all the advantages baked in. The factory is special (and where the Corolla GR get assembled as well) , the effort is massive, the results impressive. But I get you hafta be a rally nerd to love it - and that's why it's not in the States. Regardless new S. Ogier edition is the hawtness - I'm very interested in seeing how his tuning the the system for rear wheel bias works. I'd be down for a Kalle ride too Subie USA is doing good things with Vermont Sports Car. VT22r and now VT23r for ARA open. But fuck Akio, let loose the purse strings and let your Subie guys do what Subie should be doing, at the pinnacle. Sure financial realities means Gazoo gets all the limited cheddar. Subie put themselves in the position to get bought. But we'd all be better of with another serious mfg with a top level WRC works program. Take some of that Woven Planet dinero and make Subie a Rally name again. WRX, STi, Impreza. . .555 . . .556 Whatever it takes |
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Posted: 3/16/2024 4:49:32 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Houstons_Problem: Grown men fit. Subarus generally have good seating. Some enormously fat guy might need to stick with a pickup truck which can accommodate heaps of blubber since pickups aren't designed with seat bolstering to hold a driver in on high g turns. A few actually fit men who are actually large by the pre 1990's definition and not just hippos might also need a large vehicle with no side bolstering.  Attached FileSubtle burn. |
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Posted: 3/16/2024 5:45:17 AM EDT
[#43]
The wrx needs an engine that can reliably produce 330hp at the engine, bone stock. Tuning is great, unless like most of us, want that 6 year 60k mile warranty and can't be tuned.
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Posted: 3/16/2024 10:49:20 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By takdriver: The wrx needs an engine that can reliably produce 330hp at the engine, bone stock. Tuning is great, unless like most of us, want that 6 year 60k mile warranty and can't be tuned. You can do 350 with a tune and an intake. |
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Posted: 3/16/2024 10:52:27 AM EDT
[#45]
They still blowing ring lands?
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Posted: 3/16/2024 11:10:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AXE0FWAR: They still blowing ring lands? New ones dont seem to have a problem with that. |
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Posted: 3/16/2024 11:19:17 AM EDT
[#47]
bring head gaskets and spare trannys.
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Posted: 3/16/2024 11:23:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By slappomatt: bring head gaskets and spare trannys. That meme is like 20 years old. |
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Posted: 3/16/2024 11:30:05 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MobileHomie: I smoked one this morning with my Yukon Denali We were both first at a light, I left kind of aggressive, you never know when it might be a race. Anyhow he was trying to stay at the rear door so I punched it... Buh by Subie Doo Racing is always when the other car doesn't know you are racing. |
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Posted: 3/16/2024 1:35:22 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacrity: Holy Shit! Does this mean the Initial D thing is played out!? Can I score a Silver or Black top cheap? I'm stoked! 20v FTW! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/IMG_1332_jpeg-3160300.JPG Or one of these firesaled? Anyone has a Corolla WRC they're looking to unload ez, PM me But I feel ya bro, the Corolla GR has a distinct Corolla FX16 Vibe. Unlike the FX16, it's got the goods, but I remain salty. Still there's been a few sub 3:00 min VIR runs and peeps are hitting the Esses past 120. Serious work. But that's the $50k+ trim, but it's doing shit that's $25k more ain't. On gravel Yaris tho. . . Lot of chatter about what a dumb move given its bottom feeder nameplate. But I understand the marketing tie in for Europe, and the production reqs for homologation. Which is the attraction for me - it's a full on Rally Special, built to ensure the competition units have all the advantages baked in. The factory is special (and where the Corolla GR get assembled as well) , the effort is massive, the results impressive. But I get you hafta be a rally nerd to love it - and that's why it's not in the States. Regardless new S. Ogier edition is the hawtness - I'm very interested in seeing how his tuning the the system for rear wheel bias works. I'd be down for a Kalle ride too Subie USA is doing good things with Vermont Sports Car. VT22r and now VT23r for ARA open. But fuck Akio, let loose the purse strings and let your Subie guys do what Subie should be doing, at the pinnacle. Sure financial realities means Gazoo gets all the limited cheddar. Subie put themselves in the position to get bought. But we'd all be better of with another serious mfg with a top level WRC works program. Take some of that Woven Planet dinero and make Subie a Rally name again. WRX, STi, Impreza. . .555 . . .556 Whatever it takes Souped up econo car owners calling out the other brands souped up econo car because of the badge is a tradition as old as the WRX getting cheap enough for 20 year olds with bad credit to afford a clapped out used one.
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