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Posted: 8/22/2004 1:31:17 PM EDT
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Pre-bans will still command a premium here in NY...stupid laws.
From a LEO I know of, the State Police has sent out NO memos, etc about the ban. Apparently, they haven't enforced the local ban much, and see no reason to start alerting people to the Federal demise... But, either way. To be legal...a premium will be paid here until (if) the law gets repealed. |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 1:57:39 PM EDT
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Maybe not Colt, But Armalite is giving serious thought to making an old school SP-1 Triangle furniture rifle. 
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Posted: 8/22/2004 2:18:15 PM EDT
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Your SEBR is overpriced as much as that "preband" AR15 was.
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Posted: 8/22/2004 2:23:28 PM EDT
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Mmmm....that'd be nice. Might have to throw some of the green stuff Armalite's direction if thats true. |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 2:25:34 PM EDT
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If you notice I said it was a CAR that said SP1. It had a standard collaplsible stock, 11.5 in barrel with 5 in flash hider. It didn't have the SP1 furniture, it was just an old ass gun. Nothing special
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Posted: 8/22/2004 2:27:11 PM EDT
[#6]
Maybe we can have a concert after Sept 13th. We can call it pre-band-aid.
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Posted: 8/22/2004 2:36:45 PM EDT
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Ever get the idea that it is a conspiracy against you, tc6969?  You're outnumbered. Surrender and admit you've losted! |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 2:54:52 PM EDT
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blue label? green label? colt?
i could give a frig. i shoot my rifles....i do not wax them. so old colts have weird take down screws, oddball sized axis pins and is sear blocked...not to mention the leftists at colt took the bayo mount off long before they had to. when the happy switch is flipped to "oh wow!", nobody looks for a parncing pony, a coiled snake, a stop sign, etc. when the shooting starts, the bullshit stops. |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 2:55:49 PM EDT
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Just for perspective remember that Colt collectors would rather have the original. I don't think rifles marked "AR15" will be dropping in price anytime soon. And I will probably pay "preban" priced for a SP1 triangle handguard rifle one day. I still need one. |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 2:59:33 PM EDT
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Hm. I thought I was clear when I explained it before, I had JUST got done explaining the sunset to him, to no argument but somehow, the news of the ban end didn't quite sink in when it was HIS gun. I was destined to repeat this scene, with only minor variations twice more this week-
Yeah that really is funny. Kinda like when I was wanting to get in on the SEBR AR-10, and CCA offered me $800 for a Springfield M1A, Super Match, in the box with all the original paperwork...including the original sales slip from 1983. Yeah...that was funny.  |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 2:59:46 PM EDT
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I have two preban Colts and a preban Mini 14 GB factory folder. One of the Colts is even triangular with slab side and Nickel "Coltguard" finish.
I've never been so happy to see any of my investments fail! If this is failure, Thank you sir! May I have another? 
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Posted: 8/22/2004 3:05:11 PM EDT
[#12]
Hahahahahahahahah, it has begun..... The torch is lit. Let the flames begin! |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 3:07:17 PM EDT
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CCA and SEBR
 Popcorn...check! Beer........check! |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 3:13:34 PM EDT
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I think the real fun is going to be in cataloguing the BS sellers fabricate to gull the ignorant into paying a premium for pre-'94 rifles after this September. Table A has a 10/04 mfg EBR with lug & flash hider for $650. Table B has a 10/93 mfg EBR with lug & flash hider for $1475 ($100 more than he paid for it in June 04). What story will seller B tell the buyer to explain the difference? "You ever heard of Carlos Hathcock, son? . . . ."
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Posted: 8/22/2004 3:14:17 PM EDT
[#15]
i've been waiting for this to break out.
RED ALERT RED ALERT ALL GD MODS TO BATTLE STATIONS THIS IS NOT A DRILL! THE CCA/SEBR rift is back |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 3:14:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/22/2004 3:17:18 PM EDT
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I'm sorry...was I not suppose to do that?
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Posted: 8/22/2004 3:18:10 PM EDT
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Got some extra's right here! 
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Posted: 8/22/2004 3:21:40 PM EDT
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THE CCA/SEBR rift is back
[schutz]i know nuthink![/schultz] |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 3:23:24 PM EDT
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Like that isn't already happening. |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 3:24:04 PM EDT
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Well if you guys have noticed there are still OVER PRICED HUNKS OF SHIT on the EE ,Gubroker and other auction sites...I guess they finally realized The ban will indeed set. I hope every one of these jack ass dealers who made the price on these AR's or other preban items shoot through the roof, end up eating their pricey items with a damn cracker....jackasses!! Hey Juggernaut, |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 3:29:48 PM EDT
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I can't believe CCA's still open for business as bad as they screwed over members of this site.
Not to mention having big brass balls for even posting here. But then again what can you expect from people with no scruples. |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 5:23:08 PM EDT
[#23]
Will you sell me yours for $1260? J. |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 5:24:05 PM EDT
[#24]
Did he even get his? 
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Posted: 8/22/2004 7:36:09 PM EDT
[#25]
Bendin' over. As the man said earlier, I bought it to shoot it. I'll never sell it. AB |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 7:52:01 PM EDT
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I was in the first batch rifles and I sold my SEBR for what I had in it not long after I received it. I needed the money more than I needed it and just would not have been able to enjoy it after all the hell CCA made everyone go through by dragging their
I however would not have sold it to Juggernaut for $12,600! Rot Juggernaut! |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 7:55:01 PM EDT
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Absolutley! Pay me the $1260 and you'll get the rifle in 6 FUCKING MONTHS, all after I give you the impression that I have run off with your money, refuse to answer emails and hire Bagdhad Bob to answer the phones. |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 9:05:52 PM EDT
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I plan on going to the fun show on sep 11/12, I am going to be taking note of prices on several different items, I am not expecting to see much of a change at that one, it is the next how after that where I expect to hear the shit piling up. I imagine that come sep14th there will be FFLs blowing more smoke than a Yugo pulling a bass boat, trying to unload thier
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Posted: 8/22/2004 10:36:28 PM EDT
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I bought a pre-ban safe queen a couple of years ago. A bunch of people were horrified that i actually SHOT it, much less used it as a field gun. |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 10:43:54 PM EDT
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Well if I go with you we can take turns offering people with way overpriced "prebans" the money they are really worth. |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 10:49:58 PM EDT
[#31]
What happend with CCA?
I almost bought one of those AR10. Should I be glad that I didnt? |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 10:52:33 PM EDT
[#32]
Sounds like a plan. |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 11:11:38 PM EDT
[#33]
Yes. |
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Posted: 8/23/2004 2:41:12 AM EDT
[#34]
They're already switching them over! I saw one dealer with two ARs. Both had pre-ban uppers on postban lowers- all used, of course- for $775-$800.  |
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Posted: 8/23/2004 4:00:36 AM EDT
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I guess I shouldn't be surprised that some dealers are "jumping the gun", so to speak. But it angers me to hear that they are. Their irresponsible/stupid/uninformed/misguided/dishonest actions can't be anything for the community but BAD NEWS.
Though I'm hardly the type to support more monitoring and regulation of dealers, under ordinary circumstances, in this case I'd make an exception in one regard: All FFLs should be given a written test by the ATF that shows what they know and what they don't know, and then are given classes to instruct them in the areas where they're weak, and then retested a bit later. Anyone who fails the retest can expect to be surprise inspected some time soon. Dealers that don't know the laws or don't care are our worst enemies and nightmares. I may not agree with the very existence of those laws in the first place, but violating them out of sheer stupidity or arrogance is BAD NEWS. CJ |
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Posted: 8/23/2004 5:01:11 AM EDT
[#36]
You’re leaving out 5-6 months there. You get half upfront too. Avoid questions for 5-6 months. Then you get to call for the money as if it’s a rush or the delivery will be delayed, give say a week. Finally now that you've got all the money avoid questions/disappear for another 5-6 months. Only then is there thoughts of shipping. |
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Posted: 8/23/2004 5:07:38 AM EDT
[#37]
good stories, funny, some people just do not get it
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Posted: 8/23/2004 6:39:07 AM EDT
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MT6601's were post-ban rifles. BigDozer66 |
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Posted: 8/23/2004 6:55:04 AM EDT
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I am going to miss the ban.
 I funded my whole collection and a lot of other stuff with rifles/pistols bought in the 1980s and sold in the late 1990s. Come Sept 14, preban uppers go onto my post ban lowers. Folding stocks and flash hiders re-appear and all those post ban AKs and ARs with flash hiders and folders ( other peoples) simply re-emerge from closets. BFD. As for prices, no big difference between current postbans and post Sept rifles. Preban uppers have been available right along and there is no difference between post ban lowers, pre ban and post Sept 13 lowers. The interesting thing to watch is what will be the next gang banger special. Will Tec 9s and Mac 9/10s re-appear? What money hungry manufacturer will come up with a cheap hi-cap weapon (that will become the favorite of the ghetto culture? (folding stock Hi-Point with hi-cap mags perhaps?) It will be interesting to see how the news media will go nuts when the first shooting using a so called unbanned AW happens. Watch Hollywood start making even more ultra violent movies which glorify shooting and ghetto culture, and as the same time start campaigning for another gun ban. I hate to say it, but as bad and useless as the current ban is, it may be a hell of a lot better than the next one.
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Posted: 8/23/2004 6:56:59 AM EDT
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Hmmmmm.... must be referring to something that happened before I started frequenting the board. Cliff Notes for the uninformed? 
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Posted: 8/23/2004 7:11:38 AM EDT
[#41]
The aforementioned ones were banned in '89 and will still be banned from importation. BigDozer66 |
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Posted: 8/23/2004 7:13:16 AM EDT
[#42]
Here is an interesting twist..........
Current auction on Gunbroker, Buy it now, $2600!! 
So what do we have here? A $79 AMD kit built on an old B-West receiver? Someone will be able to build this gun in a few weeks for less than $150 worth of parts and he is claiming it will INCREASE in value after sunset.  Things are going to get interesting in the coming months |
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Posted: 8/23/2004 7:13:29 AM EDT
[#43]
There are already plenty in place and more probably on the way.  BigDozer66 |
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Posted: 8/23/2004 7:17:33 AM EDT
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I believe you are correct. We will always be able to bend the buyers over in NJ, NY, and others! j/k  BigDozer66 |
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Posted: 8/23/2004 7:23:54 AM EDT
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Opportunity cost. It's sad that so few Americans understand anything at all about economics. Most of the DEALERS I have spoken with recently are still living in this state of denial, however. They are facing a net loss on their pre-ban rifle investments. That's business. They need to take a long view, as in--they raped a lot of people on high-priced mags for ten years, so if they get stuck with some inventory they can't move at their hoped for prices, too bad. They didn't complain when they cornered the market on used GI 20rnd mags with no finish left and tried (and often succeeded) to get $50+ for them.
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Posted: 8/23/2004 7:27:43 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/23/2004 7:47:57 AM EDT
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When I go to non-NY shows I am going to make and start carrying a sign that says "Pre-Bans" Are now the NEW Post Bans in value" Ask me for more ACCURATE INFORMATION not Dealer "LIES". I should be a popular fellow with some and hated by others. Wanna guess by which?
]I encourage others to do the same. I may even print out some pamphlets with info that has the source listed as well as contacts to verify it and had them out to guys hanging around the SUR tables. S.O. |
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Posted: 8/23/2004 7:55:09 AM EDT
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Without searching for the law on this wouldn't it be illegal to build a 'pistol' on a 'rifle' receiver? Wouldn't the pictured item be a SBR if built now...after the ban? I'm sure CampyBob, SteyrAUG or someone would know this off the top of their head.  BigDozer66 |
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Posted: 8/23/2004 8:05:29 AM EDT
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That appears to be an AMD65 kit built onto a Bwest reciever (most Bwests were preban but there have been several good sized groups of Bwest recievers released over the last few years that would be strictly post ban). That gun is not pistol, maybe an illegal assualt pistol, it has no butstock so it can't be a SBR, it has no forward pitol grip so it probably wouldn't fit as a AOW, and the 12.5" barrel makes it to short to be any kind of legal nonNFA rifle. After Sept 13th if the reciever was transfered as a pistol then it would be legal as a pistol, however adding a stock or forward pitol grip would make it a NFA item, or a felony depending on the paperwork you did or did not have.
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Posted: 8/23/2004 8:52:22 AM EDT
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Colt AR15 will always be worth more than Colt Sporter
Colt Sporter will always be worth more than Colt Match Target Any NIB preban Colt will always be worth more than any Bushmaster/Armalite/Oly/DPMS. Colt Sporters will retain their value because they are never going to make any more Colt Sporters. |
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