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Posted: 1/15/2023 3:15:58 PM EDT
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Where does power originate from?
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Posted: 1/15/2023 3:25:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where does power originate from? https://www.kucb.org/regional/2021-10-26/power-restored-in-adak-after-a-nearly-weeklong-outage-closed-the-local-school-and-city-offices The small community of roughly 100 people has a single diesel powerhouse. In the days when the Navy was operating on the western Aleutian Island, there were five power plants there, according to Lockett. But it's been more than two decades since the Pentagon shuttered the large naval air base that once housed 6,000 service members and their families. "We do not have the demand to have multiple power plants," Lockett said. "Even the existing powerhouse was built for many megawatts of power generation. The power plant being used was the central 'hub,' if you will, and was built in the early days. In fact, it still has the old steam boilers that burned bunker oil, sectioned off of course due to asbestos concerns." While long-term plans call for wind and hydro to be integrated into the city's grid, Lockett said it's critical to replace the current diesel system. |
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Posted: 1/15/2023 3:35:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/15/2023 3:58:44 PM EDT
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Pics of bar!?
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Posted: 1/15/2023 5:15:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It seems my contractor has gone off the grid. If anyone has construction experience in this type of climate looking for a fun project, send me a PM I'm sorry for your troubles but also not terribly surprised. I don't know much about construction but I would bid on work out there unless it was "cost plus"...what a logistical nightmare.  And what, only 90-120 days per year of weather good enough to work in? Yikes.
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Posted: 1/15/2023 5:18:13 PM EDT
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This is fascinating on several levels.
How many cows can the island support? How expensive must beef be, that it is economical to raise them there, and even herd them with a helicopter?? So many questions. 
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Posted: 1/15/2023 5:20:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In my April 1982 graduating Navy OCS class, most of the guys had to select among various ships for their first assignment. The girls mostly had to select shore commands, in Bermuda, Washington DC, London, Italy, Subic Bay, Yokosuka etc. A girl in my company actually selected Adak, and she was not at the bottom of the class, either.. You're going to be popular...  Popular (From "Wicked" Original Broadway Cast Recording/2003) |
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Posted: 1/15/2023 6:11:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is fascinating on several levels. How many cows can the island support? How expensive must beef be, that it is economical to raise them there, and even herd them with a helicopter?? So many questions. There are no Cattle on the Island It is owned partly by a Native Corportation and The US dept of Interior managed by the Fish and wildlife service. Food is flown or barged in. The Aleution island with cattle is Umnak island. The cattle ranch was originally Fort Glenn army air base. It was surplused and eventually became a cattle ranch through numerous owners. The ranch does not encompass the entire island. The Town of Nikolski is also located there. Is just west of Dutch harbor/Unalaska. Chirikof Island southwest of Kodiak also has a population of a couple thousand feral cattle. |
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Posted: 1/16/2023 12:14:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We have tshirts and just got some zippo lighters made Coffee mugs. You need coffee mugs. Those would sell like crazy for the...THREE tourists you get per quarter. 
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Posted: 1/16/2023 12:25:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryI saw her sing that. Original broadway cast in Wicked. IT. WAS. FUCKING. AWESOME. /threadjack |
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Posted: 1/16/2023 2:09:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Coffee mugs. You need coffee mugs. Those would sell like crazy for the...THREE tourists you get per quarter. Adak gets a lot of visitors. Some spend 10s of thousands to go waterfowl hunting here. Very rare birds. Largest recorded caribou taken was 700lbs. That's a BIG bou. |
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Posted: 1/16/2023 2:12:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm sorry for your troubles but also not terribly surprised. I don't know much about construction but I would bid on work out there unless it was "cost plus"...what a logistical nightmare. And what, only 90-120 days per year of weather good enough to work in? Yikes. It was a contractor who did some work for Fish & Game on the island last year. When we first talked he was super excited about the project and we scheduled a time to connect and coodinate flights to get a bid and materials list. I called on the scheduled date, no answer but he sent a text that said he was busy and would call me later. He didn't, so I tried calling him three days after that. Left message, no answer, no reply. I'm sure I can find someone else |
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Posted: 1/16/2023 2:16:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Coffee mugs. You need coffee mugs. Those would sell like crazy for the...THREE tourists you get per quarter. Haha, he has the liquor license, he needs not only coffee mugs, but insulated tumblers and growlers as well. Know you audience/customer base. 
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Posted: 1/16/2023 5:16:27 AM EDT
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Is everyone pretty busy there, or is it the type of location where a topless bar would do well? Figure a half dozen girls from the mainland in rotation, covering 3-4 week shifts at a time. Topless can mean booze in most places.
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Posted: 1/16/2023 5:52:05 PM EDT
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Shot glasses. Sell shot glasses at the bar!
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Posted: 1/16/2023 9:51:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Shot glasses. Sell shot glasses at the bar! |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 10:57:50 PM EDT
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The Zippos came in!
 Attached FilePhoto doesn't do them justice. They came out really nice and aren't grainy like the picture makes them seem |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 1:19:31 PM EDT
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Whats the bar Tshirts looking like?
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Posted: 1/18/2023 2:16:03 PM EDT
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Red one is certainly cool!
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:08:24 PM EDT
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How much is a beer?
Your pizza looks okay for the most remote bar on Earth. |
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Posted: 1/26/2023 7:00:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How much is a beer? Your pizza looks okay for the most remote bar on Earth. It's the best pizza on the island Beer is $11 for a coolers light, up to $15 for designer brands. Utility costs (electric) are insane. $2.75 KWH |
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Posted: 1/26/2023 7:23:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's the best pizza on the island Beer is $11 for a coolers light, up to $15 for designer brands. Utility costs (electric) are insane. $2.75 KWH  |
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Posted: 1/26/2023 7:40:11 PM EDT
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Small update:
New contractor in the works, demo supposed to start next month Two 40' containers secured for staging Custom cabinets with quartz countertops and vinyl plank flooring ordered |
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Posted: 1/26/2023 8:33:54 PM EDT
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I saw a show on metal detecting pirate treasure on Adak.
I could live their. |
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Posted: 1/26/2023 8:55:12 PM EDT
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Cool thread, keep it up OP
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Posted: 1/26/2023 9:02:48 PM EDT
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Got drunk in one of Aleutian Outfitters duplex’s summer 2021. Stayed in a two story with the glass back room for a month in 2009. Certainly an adventure. Shame the roof blew off of the old officers club, was the best food on the island
Grocery store was in the old gym then, and mcdonalds hadnt been stripped to be a processor then. |
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Posted: 1/26/2023 9:07:14 PM EDT
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This is cool.
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Posted: 1/26/2023 9:25:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's the best pizza on the island Beer is $11 for a coolers light, up to $15 for designer brands. Utility costs (electric) are insane. $2.75 KWH A micro co-generation setup would make a lot of sense there. |
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Posted: 1/26/2023 10:01:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A micro co-generation setup would make a lot of sense there. The city had gotten grants for a hydropower setup that would have made the cost of electric virtually nothing for residents. The native corp refused to allow it on their lands. Coincidently, the native corp also owns the power company 
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Posted: 1/26/2023 10:17:15 PM EDT
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Stationed 3 years on Adak 89-92 , lived up the hill in barracks bering 11, good memories op, thanks for the posts,
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Posted: 1/26/2023 11:45:16 PM EDT
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OP, a can or bottle of light beer is $11?
HOLY FUCK! Let's work something out and reduce costs by increasing volume. There has to be an angle / opportunity in there somewhere! (unless the $11 IS the angle and your margin is 75%..)
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Posted: 1/26/2023 11:58:22 PM EDT
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Maybe too late but I'd just paint everything if this is a DIY project. Way easier, cheeper, and faster if the things work--and you'll be happier.
Nothing worse than ripping out someone elses work and doing it over-big waste of time and money. Maybe that's your thing but last time I did it I thought it was a huge time commitment when I would have rather been doing other shit. Anyways, paint that shit and get new flooring and call it good. They have cabinet paint, tile paint, magnetic paint, glow in the dark paint, paint for your tubs and toilet-shit, you could even epoxy your counter tops to look like granite. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 3:58:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP, a can or bottle of light beer is $11? HOLY FUCK! Let's work something out and reduce costs by increasing volume. There has to be an angle / opportunity in there somewhere! (unless the $11 IS the angle and your margin is 75%..) He mentioned once that it cost something like 20K to get a cargo container to the island from Anchorage. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 4:22:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He mentioned once that it cost something like 20K to get a cargo container to the island from Anchorage. "The western most micro brewery in the USA, also the northern most"  Adak Island Ale 
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Posted: 1/27/2023 6:10:24 AM EDT
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Tag
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Posted: 1/27/2023 7:07:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In Alaska its called a BANYA....every home should have one! It's a Banya if you're Russian 
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Posted: 1/27/2023 8:46:20 AM EDT
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Very interesting thread and I’m digging the back story from the OP and the pictures to illustrate the island and man made structures. No offense to the OP, but that place looks like a desolate shit hole. I could never imagine myself living there and certainly not retiring there. The natural beauty is undeniable though. Similar to how I feel about the desert. I’d visit and shoot a boo or some waterfowl. I wish you much luck in your endeavors OP. I hope you become king of the island!
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Posted: 1/27/2023 9:28:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: $1700 round trip for me. and an 8 hour layover in SEA we should get a bunch of arfcommers up there for an awkward gathering Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sheesh. Tickets are $400 round trip to Anchorage from me. I'd love to visit but yikes that's expensive. I also have construction experience but not in that climate What the hell do people do for a living there? and an 8 hour layover in SEA we should get a bunch of arfcommers up there for an awkward gathering Expedia says I can fly round trip out of RDU to Oahu for $700 and to Costa Rica for $650. There aren’t any listed flights for this Adak place, but I’m quite sure it would be considerably more. I’d need a real compelling reason to visit. Like someone paying me. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 4:43:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP, a can or bottle of light beer is $11? HOLY FUCK! Let's work something out and reduce costs by increasing volume. There has to be an angle / opportunity in there somewhere! (unless the $11 IS the angle and your margin is 75%..) It costs around $1.50/lb to air cargo beer out there My electric bill is greater than $3500 a month just to run our walk in Our generator fuel bill is $1500 a month Our furnance fuel bill is another $1500 a month + water/sewer/insurance/employees/maintenance/internet etc etc Still want to bitch about that $11.00 coolers? |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 4:47:14 PM EDT
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With such high winds is there no way to plant some trees or do some landscaping that would protect the house a little from the prevailing wind direction?
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Posted: 1/27/2023 5:02:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The city had gotten grants for a hydropower setup that would have made the cost of electric virtually nothing for residents. The native corp refused to allow it on their lands. Coincidently, the native corp also owns the power company  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 6:23:43 PM EDT
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Do any of the fishing boats stop at the island? Crab boats , halibut, cod... For any reason , ever.
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Posted: 1/27/2023 6:53:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It costs around $1.50/lb to air cargo beer out there My electric bill is greater than $3500 a month just to run our walk in Our generator fuel bill is $1500 a month Our furnance fuel bill is another $1500 a month + water/sewer/insurance/employees/maintenance/internet etc etc Still want to bitch about that $11.00 coolers? No, I was thinking more along the line of a SeaCan full of beer on a barge to lower costs and sell a ton more at $6.  |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 7:31:42 PM EDT
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The last time I was on Adak I got 2nd degree burns on my chest and upper arms. It sucked.
I was showering in the BOQ and someone forgot to yell before they flushed the toilet. Not my best memory from the early 90's. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 7:39:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It costs around $1.50/lb to air cargo beer out there My electric bill is greater than $3500 a month just to run our walk in Our generator fuel bill is $1500 a month Our furnance fuel bill is another $1500 a month + water/sewer/insurance/employees/maintenance/internet etc etc Still want to bitch about that $11.00 coolers? If it's so windy why not use a wind generator rated for wind? Not the windmill type. Example: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071RQ5Q17?tag=arfcom00-20 Rated for 55 m/s which is 123 mph. If you are over 123 mph, you have bigger problems. I would think that plus batteries would defray your monthly bill at that rate. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 7:42:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Zippos came in! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/282730/zippo2_jpg-2676229.JPG Photo doesn't do them justice. They came out really nice and aren't grainy like the picture makes them seem Will the red zippo match my red stapler? It's for a . . . Office morale project. 
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Posted: 1/27/2023 8:15:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not there right now but I go back on the 28th. Safes are all over the island. Dozens and dozens. This is my next project.... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/282730/safe_jpg-2650357.JPG OP, what if all that pirate gold that's allegedly hidden all over Adak is secretly stashed inside some of those safes and you find it. Those goofballs on that Netflix show gon be pissed.
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Posted: 1/27/2023 8:47:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do any of the fishing boats stop at the island? Crab boats , halibut, cod... For any reason , ever. Yes they do. Used to have a huge processing plant on island. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 9:03:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, I was thinking more along the line of a SeaCan full of beer on a barge to lower costs and sell a ton more at $6. Lets just do some quick math on your thought process. 40' high cube conex + area to stage it and load onto a chassis... this season is $9600. $3500 to truck it to port $20,000 to barge it Total $33,100, not including any saleable product at all. 40,000 lbs (full conex) divided by 24lbs per case of 12 pack coolers = 1,666 cases of coolers light. Wholesale price on a 12 pack of coolers is $16.16. Multiple that by 1,666 cases = $27,000 Total investment for a conex of beer: $58,000 19,992 cans of beer, net cost landed ~$3.00 per beer. My $58,000 is tied up for months or a year+ because its a small bar and 20k cans of beer is a LOT of beer. Even at this point, if I sold them for $6.00 ea, say we sold 300 cans a month (open 4 days a week), the profit would only be $900, and would not even begin to cover the utility costs, let alone everything else. At 300 cans a month it would take 66 months to go through them, at that point they would be long expired. I just signed a contract to purchase the liquor store last week. Once that license has been transferred I will hold the only two liquor licenses available by state law for the island. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 10:15:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lets just do some quick math on your thought process. 40' high cube conex + area to stage it and load onto a chassis... this season is $9600. $3500 to truck it to port $20,000 to barge it Total $33,100, not including any saleable product at all. 40,000 lbs (full conex) divided by 24lbs per case of 12 pack coolers = 1,666 cases of coolers light. Wholesale price on a 12 pack of coolers is $16.16. Multiple that by 1,666 cases = $27,000 Total investment for a conex of beer: $58,000 19,992 cans of beer, net cost landed ~$3.00 per beer. My $58,000 is tied up for months or a year+ because its a small bar and 20k cans of beer is a LOT of beer. Even at this point, if I sold them for $6.00 ea, say we sold 300 cans a month (open 4 days a week), the profit would only be $900, and would not even begin to cover the utility costs, let alone everything else. At 300 cans a month it would take 66 months to go through them, at that point they would be long expired. I just signed a contract to purchase the liquor store last week. Once that license has been transferred I will hold the only two liquor licenses available by state law for the island. Easy tiger, I had no intention to ruffle your fur, nor piss in your very cool, IMHO, thread. Clearly you do the due diligence and know your costs, margins, and ROI timelines. I hope that license pays off big time, as I am sure it will. I just know I can't spend $11 for each beer when that adds up quickly.. Thanks for the thread.  Please keep us all updated on the endeavor. |
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