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Posted: 7/29/2004 5:20:33 PM EDT
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SHIVAN - you forced me to look up other Subarus and I found this mean bastard,,, I THINK WE HAVE A WINNER This monster is mine..... I don't think anyone can beat this... 2.5L 4 cylinder putting out 210 horses. YOUCH, 4 wheel drive, automatic, UNDER BUDGET!!!!!!!!  autosyahoo.com/newcars/subaru_baja_turbo_2004/13959/style_overview.html |
And you will get a grat deal 'cause they can't give them away  . I still say WRX, wagon maybe?
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It looks a lil too El Camino in my opinion. |
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Any Subaru. Just get the high end motor in any model you look at. VW GTi 1.8T , trust me on this one. You've already hit the ones I'd look at. I'd run away from the Element. And for god's sake, get a stick shift. You'll be proficient in 5 days, and you'll wonder why you wasted all those years in an auto. Besides any of these cars could/will be sluggish with an auto, but a rocket with a stick. |
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okay okay okay.... the element was interesting for price reasons, so everyone take it easy. you really think I'd drive up to teh range in one of those? I'd shoot myself! The subarus seem like the way to go..... that Baja SURE is cheap and if I get it in black I think I could liev with myself. It even comes with a shiftronic thingie that lets me shift with no clutch while driving. The WRX (I agree) would only be fun in manual, which I do not care for. Manual is on its way it IMO, ever since BMW's ferrari licensed shifter beat the human-possibility mark in terms of speed shifting. I think they call is SMG - it shifts faster than any human could. I think that the autostick option in a baja would shift faster and more efficiently than I could in the first year, at least. IMO this discussion is over. The nicest baja with all the options comes in under budget. I'll keep y'all updated, but I will have to find a cover for the bed in back, so there will be a nother thread when i get it. |
If Al Capone were alive today, he'd be driving a 300C.
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W_W, It may be the first Chrysler product worth buying in some time now. It was co-engineered by that Benz company!  It is featured in a test drive in Motor Trend emag this month.
www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedan/112_0405_300c/ BigDozer66 |
YOUCH those things are so damn ugly. Actually, that picture is VERY FLATTERING... we have a few of these abortions here at my work and I can' t stand to look at them. WRX Wagon is not a bad choice. |
The auto tranny in the Baja is NOTHING like the BMW SMG or the Ferarri F1-style trannies. It's still a conventional fluid-drive automatic (uses a torque converter), unlike the two listed above. These two (Audi and Lambo also offer them) are mechanically identical to a conventional manual but with an electrohydraulically actuated clutch. Basically, a manual with a power clutch so it can be shifted either manually or automatically by a computer. The "autostick" type trannies that are so popular in cars these days are simply conventional fluid-drive automaitc transmissions with a sequetial gear selector in addition to good old "Drive". |
Wrong. Stick shift will stay around. Enthusiasts demand it. It is the purest way to drive a car. You would shift faster, more smothly and more efficiently than the manual-auto abortion Subaru has within 2 weeks, easily. |
Actually, he's almost right - the VTD Automatics were 90/10 on the previous Legacy and non WRX Imprezas. The Auto WRX is 45/55, and of course the Sti is 35/65. From Subaru.com:
I thought the author declared this thread over  ?
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yeah I have decided on the baja. Only thing is Subaru wont lease me a damned car they only SELL them. WTF is up with that - actually I don't care why, but the thread is officially re-opened The baja, BTW has 45/55 dist now in the turbo and that would be the car to beat if subaru would lease me one...but they won't. damn. |
Actually the STi is variable, I had no idea that the auto used a different center diff, but if they say 45/55 then OK, this is not 90/10 -- or even close. |
Actually, in the STi, torque split is not variable, the amount of differential lock is variable. Actual torque distribution in a limited slip differential is dependent on available traction and weight distribution. Variable torque distribution is not possible with a fixed planetary gearset. Like I said, the previous generation Impreza and Legacy models had the 90/10. And this was a limited slip, so it would vary under low traction conditions as mentioned above. On dry pavement, it behaved like a FWD car. |
The amount of center differential lock is driver controlled. You can allow more or less power to the front or rear wheels based on driver input.....{edited: it's listed as continously variable but I believe that no more than 50% of the power will ever go to the front -- I am looking for the spec...}
Previous Legacy and Impreza versions NON-WRX inclusive, OK.....previous versions of the Impreza and Legacy had no turbos either.....point? |
Just because some marketing dweeb wrote it doesn't make it so. It is physically impossible for a planetary gearset to vary the amount of tourque split. The DCCD is na electromagnetic clutch that controls the amount of differential lock or "limited slip". If you believe otherwise, read: auto.howstuffworks.com/differential.htm 
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The point is the guy who posted the 90/10 automatic comment had an earlier model. Not germae to this topic, but he was not mistaken. |
I dont know if this helps or not! This is directly from subaru's STI website Driver Controlled Center Differential (DCCD) AWD: Exclusive to the WRX STi. Features both manual and automatic modes, uses an electronically managed multi-plate transfer clutch in conjunction with a planetary gear-type center differential to control power distribution between the front and rear wheels. Normally, DCCD splits power 35% front and 65% rear. DCCD also features a helical-type limited-slip front differential and mechanical limited-slip rear differential. |