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Posted: 12/1/2022 1:32:08 PM EDT

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I call them like I see them. I call out the blue when they make mistakes the same way I call out the non blue when they make mistakes. The big difference is that I don't lurk around waiting to blindly jump on a band wagon. Any band wagon.

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I don't think complaining about ban state cops being able to mail order ammo is acab or virtue signaling.

Whatever, I know how things work, NY is like East Germany. But I wouldn't call out someone pointing out the obvious corruption as being acab or virtue signalling. There was a police officer from NY who had some kind of carbine that took weird 50 round magazines (maybe an FN). He posted about it in the NY forum-whatever-but some guys were certainly like "I have to use 10 round Glock mags while you have 50 round mags for some bullshit range toy?"

Posted: 12/1/2022 1:32:19 PM EDT

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They would still be banning an item that is protected in the BoR.

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State’s Rights…

Hmmm, does the BoR supersede states rights?

It should as a fact but a State should have a say in what is transported across their border from another State (or coastline).

Even if it’s an item that is covered under an amendment in the BoR?

If it’s a matter concerning commerce, in my opinion “Yes”. States should have a (an ultimate) say in what is transported into their recognized borders.

Interesting. So in theory a state could ban the movement of firearms and ammunition across their borders which In turn would not allow their subjects to be able to purchase said items.

No. Within a State, production and commerce within a State is their business. The transport into and across a State of merchandise should be up to the affected State.

So if there was zero ammunition and firearm production within that state, the subjects are fubarred?

Yes and “No”. They are still free to change the legal layout of the land through voting and Representation OR vote with their wallets and move.

ETA: If the powers that be, whether if they are constituted by a Majority or Minority, cannot be swayed by a group of constituents, you are not well represented in that State. You’re either going to stay there and accept the law of THAT land or relocate to a more friendlier location.

As a resident of the hypothetical state I’d argue that the state is infringing on my RKBA. As they aren’t allowing me to purchase the items that are covered under that right.

I’d argue they are only protecting their sovereignty concerning what they allow to be transported across their recognized border(s). The manufacture and selling of goods within a State would be an appropriate argument concerning RKBA.

They would still be banning an item that is protected in the BoR.

They would be strictly regulating products from being transported over their recognized border (or coastline) and into their State. As far as manufacture, sale, and distribution within the State, that’s a different story.

Posted: 12/1/2022 1:34:12 PM EDT

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Elections have consequences.

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Republican voters in NY saved The House this election.

You’re welcome.

Posted: 12/1/2022 1:34:51 PM EDT

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I agree but after 10 years, if they haven't found a case worth fighting then there isn't one. The longer they sit, the more entrenched and accepted these laws become. The assault on suppressors is a really big deal, We lost this one they can go after, scopes, red dots, lasers, guns with mag wells, and other accessories. It will be an avalanche. The 2A will die of a thousand cuts. Look what has happened to our society as a result of creeping socialism. It has been so gradual most people can't see it and it's up to their eyeballs.

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The 2A is in better shape in 2022 than it has been in decades. It's not dying it's sprouting new life. Concealed carry, constitutional carry, Heller, Mcdonald, Bruen, California is about to lose big on mag bans......the list goes on. Every time the tyrants try to advance their agenda, the 2A gains ground, eventually, because there are people that don't give up.

The pessimism here is crazy, if you were a gun control advocate I'd understand. We went from losing ground every year to gaining, and y'all are whinging that it's not happening fast enough. I understand that as well, but don't lose sight of the bigger picture.

I'm deeply frustrated by NY maneuvers, it's clear that it's not just a disagreement over constitutional interpretation, it's a cynical and bad faith retaliation against a voting block that has no significant political power at the state level. That is not just bad governance, I believe it's criminal. They are emboldened by the fact that there is no immediate redress available short of violence, which is overwhelming unlikely to be successful. So, we will fight the long legal game, and we will win.

You guys that aren't in these states, you want to jump on the team and come in for the big win? Drop a few bucks on the GOA, or the SAF or even the NRA. Wayne probably needs new suits. NRA/NYSRPA did bank roll Bruen, so devil his due and all that.

I have family that are LEO, I taught them everything I could before they became LEO about the 2A. They are uncomfortable with the LEO carve outs in NY, but less so all the time. That is a heady brew of privilege and it takes an uncommon person to resist when you are the "special" citizen.

I agree that it's wrong for TS to sell to LEO direct in NY. They should know better.

Posted: 12/1/2022 1:36:56 PM EDT

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There was nothing to fight until recently as the previous law was not enforced. Companies like Target Sports and others were gleefully selling ammo to NYers. Only now has the state gone after the ammo sellers.

How many legal fights do you think NYers can fight at once? There are multiple lawsuits against the CCIA that have cost probably a million dollars between them and we are only a few months in. How many Nolos do you think are out there? I believe the NYSRPA v. Bruen case ended up costing the NRA more than $2 million.

Somebody is sure to say, well why bother because the state is going to overwhelm you with their resources. Maybe... We do it because it is the right thing to do. We do it to defend our rights, and we do it to stop the spread before it infects your state. Not fighting here will hasten the infection there.

We appreciate the help, believe me we do. If every member of this site were to donate the cost of a Glock to GOA, SAF, NYSRPA, Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership, or any number of second amendment groups we'd be in a much stronger position. The problem is, most gun owners are not part of these groups. Most members of those groups probably don't give beyond their nominal annual membership. It's not enough, not when people like Soros are funding gun grabbing candidates and financing anti-second amendment groups, not when tyrannical governors and fascist AGs are using tax money to deny rights. We need to step our game up.

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There ya go, they chose which battles to fight. You saying they chose not to fight this battle? That is called surrender. There is little doubt the Left has figured out the Republicans don't know how to play Wack-a-mole and are having a field day. Hint: You small minds keep dragging up Soros and well you should. But you are not telling the whole story. I agree Soros is a dangerous critter. Of the top 10 donors to the mid-term elections, Soros was #1. However, 8 of the top 10 were Republicans. Despite his donations, most of what he gives goes around the world. Seventeen of the top 25 political donors were Republican individuals and corporations. In the 2020 Presidential election, Soros was #4 on the list. What is telling is the average Democrat gives more than twice the amount of the average Republican. In truth, we are, in all our tight-fisted glory, screwing ourselves. The older, affluent, and better educated give the most. GASP! Guess who the freeloaders are? The usual suspects.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/05/17/5-facts-about-u-s-political-donations/

Posted: 12/1/2022 1:37:36 PM EDT

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They would be strictly regulating products from being transported over their recognized border (or coastline) and into their State. As far as manufacture, sale, and distribution within the State, that’s a different story.