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Posted: 11/30/2022 11:26:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And then within a generation they were hanging each other as witches. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Religion came to America in many cases to get rid of persecution in Europe. You are agreeing with the prophecies in Daniel and Revelation in part. It's when religion mixes with the state and science that we get the theocracy of the Dark Ages. The younger generations think the no religion or Satan worship at an Ozzy concert is just kind of naughty fun and haven't seen where violating a climate change and religious Sunday law might get them beheaded. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 5:12:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Okay, but what if you're wrong? |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 5:18:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Uncountable thousands of gods have been invented and then faded away. The odds of anyone's faith in supernatural beings being wrong - including yours - is approximately 100%. The thing about gods and religions is, they can't all be right, but they CAN all be wrong. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 5:25:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Correct. Then came the great awakening in the late 1700 and 1800's and instead of outright persecution, they started their own denominations. We seen to be repeating that again with all the splits. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 5:26:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The thing about gods and religions is, they can't all be right, but they CAN all be wrong. Hubris is a helluva god. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 5:28:46 PM EDT
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Most of "Christianity" is feminist churchianity so men lost interest.
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Posted: 12/1/2022 5:28:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You won't like the society that emerges when belief in the Christian God dies. Even if the entire proposition is false, it's been about the most useful framework around which the most free and functional societies have been structured. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Good Believing in a boogie man in the sky is fucking stupid You won't like the society that emerges when belief in the Christian God dies. Even if the entire proposition is false, it's been about the most useful framework around which the most free and functional societies have been structured. ie living in the West in 20xx |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 5:30:56 PM EDT
[#8]
Good.
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Posted: 12/1/2022 5:32:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You won't like the society that emerges when belief in the Christian God dies. Even if the entire proposition is false, it's been about the most useful framework around which the most free and functional societies have been structured. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 5:33:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good. Why? Assuming for the sake of argument that Christianity is factually false, what benefit would a society derive from its disappearance? Some cultural force would fill the vacuum, and I don’t think it would end up creating a safer, more prosperous, happier, and more moral society. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 5:38:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We live in the nuclear age. Basing decisions on superstition is no longer helpful in any way. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You won't like the society that emerges when belief in the Christian God dies. Even if the entire proposition is false, it's been about the most useful framework around which the most free and functional societies have been structured. Trust The Science that explains your histrionics during a certain period of time starting in 2020   Attached File |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 5:43:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why? Assuming for the sake of argument that Christianity is factually false, what benefit would a society derive from its disappearance? Some cultural force would fill the vacuum, and I don’t think it would end up creating a safer, more prosperous, happier, and more moral society. What's the downside to superstition being replaced by reason? |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 5:47:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What's the downside to superstition being replaced by reason? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why? Assuming for the sake of argument that Christianity is factually false, what benefit would a society derive from its disappearance? Some cultural force would fill the vacuum, and I don’t think it would end up creating a safer, more prosperous, happier, and more moral society. What's the downside to superstition being replaced by reason? There's no reasonable argument against social Darwinism.... |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 5:53:13 PM EDT
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"For the gate is narrow and way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.”
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Posted: 12/1/2022 6:06:24 PM EDT
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Most people who are outspoken against Christianity or "Religion" in general don't think you should have guns, eat meat, and they want to trans your kids. That's their side. That's what the majority of them think.
Of course we have members here that are non-believers that are just as passionate about 2A and freedom though. But they're a minority among non-beleivers. Believe as you wish, and go ahead and use godless European countries as examples of bastions of freedom from religion. It's working out great for them it looks like. 
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Posted: 12/1/2022 6:14:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So you’re saying when I need a fedora I should check with you? Ignoring that the great minds of history were at the least deists is entirely a lower education response. Quote HistoryQuoted: So you’re saying when I need a fedora I should check with you? Ignoring that the great minds of history were at the least deists is entirely a lower education response. Theists don't get to claim the deists, they're totally different things. Quoted: Believing there is no god or religion relating to a higher power of any sort is the belief “Believing there is no god or religion relating to a higher power of any sort”. Just like a person who believes there is a god, can’t prove it. One who believes there isn’t a god can’t prove it either. I’m saying either side of the argument is a belief in something. Straw man. Theology is characterized by revelation. A personal God, who intervenes in natural causality, to include revelation specifically, as to vest divine authority in doctrinal claims made by men. Atheism is simply the absence of belief that any particular revelation is of divine origin. Deists believe in God, but that doesn't make them theists. Deism, lacking that characterization, isn't a gnostic proposition. It's incapable of defining itself in any meaningful way, which is why there is no real organized deist religion. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 6:20:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What's the downside to superstition being replaced by reason? Results. Reason as the sole basis for values rapidly devolves into arrogance and totalitarianism enforced by those who decide what constitutes reason this week. Judeo-Christian values build strong communities. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 7:02:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What's the downside to superstition being replaced by reason? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why? Assuming for the sake of argument that Christianity is factually false, what benefit would a society derive from its disappearance? Some cultural force would fill the vacuum, and I don’t think it would end up creating a safer, more prosperous, happier, and more moral society. What's the downside to superstition being replaced by reason? That. Only Judeo-Christian values build strong communities? |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 7:11:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Same thing goes for the dragon I keep in my garage. Don't believe it? Boy are you in for a surprise one of these days. I can't tell you when, though. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Until you find out He is real and see Him coming in the clouds with power and glory……. You may very well have a dragon in your garage……..if so, feed him well or he will devour you Christ will return when the Father tells Him it’s time…….. we don’t know the hour or the day, but I believe He will return just as He said He would……. The great thing about free will is you don’t have to believe….. that is your right and I respect your right to not believe |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 8:24:05 PM EDT
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Hopefully, some unbelievers who see future Bible prophecies unfold, will recognize the significance and it will help them to believe. Jesus said (John 14:29) 29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 8:45:34 PM EDT
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The UK might be rejecting Christianity but I'll bet it's as religious as ever. The religious fervor will just be focused in a different direction. Social change, climate crisis, politics, anti-racism, gender equality, lgtbq etc.
The West is dying, so no one should be surprised. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 8:58:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Judeo-Christian values build strong communities. You DO realize that "Judeo-Christian values" are neither unique to Judeo-Christianity, nor developed by Judeo-Christians, right? Strong communities can, and have been, built upon those values long before Judeo-Christianity was conceived. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 9:02:06 PM EDT
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My family was very religious until my parents generation, who primarily came of age in the ‘60s and ‘70s.
I think there’s two people of my generation that still attend church and we both joined as adults. One is RCC, one is EOC. My church is rented from the CoE and they have so few people attending now, they don’t even bother having us rearrange the church for their services like they used to insist on. I meet quite a few committed Anglicans, mostly priests. They visit to attend our services. All of them are very elderly now, except one in his ‘30s who’s considering leaving to become Eastern Orthodox. EOC is growing in the U.K. through immigration and conversion. The Polish have also made a resurgence of the Catholic Church. Quoted: The UK might be rejecting Christianity but I'll bet it's as religious as ever. The religious fervor will just be focused in a different direction. Social change, climate crisis, politics, anti-racism, gender equality, lgtbq etc. That’s a perceptive observation. And it’s true. It was Covidism but has now pivoted back to environmentalism. I even know people that are in serious legal trouble over environmental protests. Normal adults otherwise, not idealistic students, but they lie down in traffic during the weekends and glue themselves to things. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 10:03:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What's the downside to superstition being replaced by reason? How has that panned out in atheist, “reason”-driven countries? Without an objective standard of morality, there is no higher authority to appeal to when someone else is “living their truth” by stealing, raping, murdering, and oppressing others. The State gets to determine morality, and we all know how that goes. See multiple dictatorships in the 20th century for examples. Make no mistake, everyone serves a god of some kind, whether it’s self, environmentalism, communism, wokeism, the State, sex, etc. What kind of god a society serves will determine its course. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 10:36:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The UK might be rejecting Christianity but I'll bet it's as religious as ever. The religious fervor will just be focused in a different direction. Social change, climate crisis, politics, anti-racism, gender equality, lgtbq etc. The West is dying, so no one should be surprised.  Attached FileDuring the French Revolution, the Revolutionaries attempted to replace Catholicism with a secular religion. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 11:02:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nothing new here. Religions flare up, spread wildly, burn out, mutate, re-emerge, etc. They behave very much like viruses. Or pitbulls. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 11:14:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hopefully, some unbelievers who see future Bible prophecies unfold, will recognize the significance and it will help them to believe. Jesus said (John 14:29) 29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe. Jesus knew about Kanye? Cool. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 11:42:04 PM EDT
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 Why do you fast? | Orthodox Abbot Rafailo of the Podmaine Monastery responds |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 11:43:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: According to Wikipedia, the Lutheran church alone has split into 40 varieties. And every one thinks it's the "true" one. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Correct. Then came the great awakening in the late 1700 and 1800's and instead of outright persecution, they started their own denominations. We seen to be repeating that again with all the splits. |
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Posted: 12/2/2022 12:22:44 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Good Believing in a boogie man in the sky is fucking stupid If you want to shit on religion you should try to understand beyond a 3 year old's level. You might as well shit on Santa too if that's your level. |
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Posted: 12/2/2022 1:03:46 AM EDT
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Who says the boogie man isn't under your bed?
 Have you seen the Exorcist? It's true. 
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Posted: 12/2/2022 9:16:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just found this thread again. I won't doubt you but that is shocking. I haven't read every translation by far but the books main message can't be so different that we get dozens of new denominations. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Correct. Then came the great awakening in the late 1700 and 1800's and instead of outright persecution, they started their own denominations. We seen to be repeating that again with all the splits. |
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Posted: 12/2/2022 10:07:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Uncountable thousands of gods have been invented and then faded away. The odds of anyone's faith in supernatural beings being wrong - including yours - is approximately 100%. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Okay, but what if you're wrong? And how do the odds change if you believe those earlier gods to some degree were grasping toward the actual truth. Regarding superstition vs reason. I’ve attempted to reason myself out of belief at least a thousand times and yet my experiences and observations keep bringing me back to the same conclusion. There is a God. Part of those observations have to do with the overwhelming arrogance of resolute unbelievers but that’s neither here nor there. It is a repeatable observable event however. |
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Posted: 12/2/2022 10:09:55 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/2/2022 10:10:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: According to Wikipedia, the Lutheran church alone has split into 40 varieties. And every one thinks it's the "true" one. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Correct. Then came the great awakening in the late 1700 and 1800's and instead of outright persecution, they started their own denominations. We seen to be repeating that again with all the splits. Aye and sometimes these are over small issues which shouldn’t divide. Some bigger issues should. The reason for those big splits are those who seek to follow established biblical principles and those who don’t. Lutherans for the most part though are a reasonable people and I doubt that the majority think they’re the true church. There are larger sects who definitely do think like that to the degree they deny a persons salvation for belonging to any but their church. This is also unbiblical. This is also a repeatable observable event. |
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Posted: 12/2/2022 10:11:30 AM EDT
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Hard to say whats happening worldwide thats making the drastic drop in numbers.
But where Im at Ive seen more and more Faith based Christians shy away from churches due to so many pastors straying from the actual book. |
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Posted: 12/2/2022 10:37:12 AM EDT
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“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” - John Adams
Prophetic words that ring more true as each day passes in Clown World. |
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Posted: 12/2/2022 10:38:05 AM EDT
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Declining or diluted?
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Posted: 12/2/2022 11:52:06 AM EDT
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We have to have a great falling away and one more great awakening if I understand any of it, so which comes first. It's moving right now and feels like falling away.
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Posted: 12/2/2022 1:00:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The UK might be rejecting Christianity but I'll bet it's as religious as ever. The religious fervor will just be focused in a different direction. Social change, climate crisis, politics, anti-racism, gender equality, lgtbq etc. The West is dying, so no one should be surprised. That's certainly one way to look at it, and the way religious people tend to. If you want to claim there's a secular religion, science is it, because science and dogma are antithetical and that's the choice we all face. I'd call what you're talking about worldliness, and I'd say it cuts both ways. All the energy believers put into their religion would be useful if it were applied to the problems of this world, and not just for the purpose of proselytization. |
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Posted: 12/3/2022 6:05:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hard to say whats happening worldwide thats making the drastic drop in numbers. But where Im at Ive seen more and more Faith based Christians shy away from churches due to so many pastors straying from the actual book. |
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