Ah, Chris Watts.  Tier 1 douche bag. I think it was the friend of the wife that called the police.

I’m leaning more towards boyfriend Jack.  The dog apparently did not attack or hinder anything.  And it’s his and Kaylees dog.  
May be a passive lap dog tho.  

Maybe the comment Kaylees family made about her taking a break from dating Jack plays into it.  Some info “released” said Maddie was the most brutalized. Can’t know that tho for sure.  But if he was pushed away by his girlfriend who was messing around as a last fling of her college days and her friend Maddie was encouraging her to do it, maybe Jack snapped.  

Even if it’s not him, usually knife assaults are quick and multiple stabs are generally a jealousy and/or rage attack.  Takes a lot of rage to unleash it for 30-40 stabs and stabs on other victims too. Maybe he focused on his target and the others were in his way so they got eliminated.  
And we aren’t clear on boyfriend Jack’s relationship to the other 4 at this time.  Estranged, hurt and angry?
Did he get along with them all or was he marginalized and squeezed out of the party scene and circle of admirers, partiers and partners?
Without knowing the condition of the bodies we can’t know where he concentrated most of the energy.  
A serial killer could be at play but I figure it’s hard to track and tell unless there’s a pattern emerging.

Drug hit?  Maybe but if it’s to send a message it’s usually targeted at the example they’re making.
A speed freak who goes on a rampage might could do it but might not hang around to hunt victims room to room.

One thing for sure, the surviving roommates have got to have shivers up and down the spine because of how close they were to it.  Damn man.  

Wasn’t Jack ruled out immediately, like in a bar in Boise and couldn’t have possibly been there?

College kid hires a knife wielding hit man to take out his girlfriend, he slips up and kills 4 people by accident?

When is Christmas break?

It would be hard to go back after Thanksgiving if they haven’t caught the guy or guys.

He was ruled out early.  Maybe his alibi is solid.
I don’t think it’s a hit.  Still mostly think it’s local weirdo predator around the college.  
But curious about Jack and his alibi.  

I cannot imagine how painful and consuming it is for the families and friends.

I agree.

Given the known and tight timeline, it would seem fairly simple to capture everyone arriving/leaving the area by vehicle using the available traffic cameras at ~ 3AM. This leads me to believe the killer was either walking distance to his home or hiked a ways to his car (much less likely).

Classes are back in session, remaining flexible with hybrid options for students as needed. Many students are back on campus.

Finals week is Dec 12-16, so depending on finals schedules students will go home that week or weekend most likely. Spring semester starts after the new year.

‘Socially awkward’ neighbor of slain Idaho students denies he’s the murderer

Search warrant /= arrest.

Search warrant, I'd agree with if they have good reason to believe he's a prime suspect, but how many times have we had threads in GD over wrongful arrest, lamenting how the arresting LE violated someone's rights and the taxpayers wind up on the hook from the resultant lawsuits?

Not all traffic cameras record some are live feed only.

I wouldn't be surprised if the killer isn't on social media claiming knowledge due to living in Moscow
and pointing people to other suspects

Maybe here on GD blaming the cartels

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They reportedly have arrested a suspect in the prior knife threatening case on campus.  Happened Sept 12.  

Don’t know of connection but it’s interesting it was a knife threat.

What we may have so far (if true)

-Xana’s mom Cara Denise Northington arrested on drug charges in AZ & a warrant recently in ID 19 NOV
-Xana’s mom served time in Idaho (released from IDOC 2015)
-Xana’s dad served time in Idaho (released from IDOC 2004)
-Maddie Mogen’s step mom arrested this month on possession of controlled substance Kutenai Co, ID on 7 NOV
-Moscow taxi driver in local Moscow newspaper says rental house where murders occurred was a know drug outlet
-extreme nature of violence (with unsubstantiated rumors of decapitation of at least one victim) was cartel-like
-FBI sends agents from WV (?) to lead multi-jurisdictional task force investigating multiple homicides
-Police describe victim or victims as “targeted”

If the above is true, add that all up and tell me this doesn’t scream cartel hit.  Not trying to troll “friends of the cartels” here in GD, but cartel grow operations in Humboldt Co CA are a thing.  Not sure why people think it’s impossible here in ID, OR, or WA.  Denial isn’t just a River in Egypt?

Starting to look that way more and more.

You may be on to something

How many Afghan guests were moved to the area?

Anything is possible.  Possible does not equal likely.  

1.  Any other person saying that it was a drug house besides the quote from one taxi driver?  If it was really a drug house, hundreds of people would’ve known about it and that information would be in the news from multiple sources.  A drug house is going to have a lot of short stay activity at all hours of the day and night. The neighbors definitely know if a drug house is a drug house.  I haven’t heard widespread statements from neighbors saying it was a drug dealing house.  Which means it is likely not a drug house or they sold very small amounts to a close group of friends and that’s it.  

2.  The cartel doesn’t operate all levels of the drug business.  Let’s assume they were selling small amounts of drugs to friends and acquaintances for the sake of argumentation.  Small enough that neighbors wouldn’t have noticed the constant traffic.  At that level of dealing you are multiple people away from the cartel.  Some people seem to think that the cartels are running all the drug trade in the USA.  The cartel is just importing and distributing the bulk volume.  The loads then get broken down and sold to secondary dealer networks and broken down again at least once before you hit some low level college kid slanging a little bit here and there to friends and acquaintances.

3.  So now let’s look into this being a hit related one of the 2 girls parents.  Which it appears they have old charges from a while back for the most part except for the one mother.  If the parent wronged the cartel, assuming that they even have an issue with the cartel, the cartel is going to go after that individual.  Why would they go after your child instead of you, because they run the risk that if they kill the child, you will say screw it in tell the police everything you know to get back at them.  Let’s pretend that they can’t get to the one mother that’s locked up right now(cartels have plenty of people inside jails but let’s say she’s in AdSeg).  Killing her daughter is not going to stop her from talking. If they beat up the daughter or assaulted her that would be a deterrent.  Massacring the daughter is more likely to cause the incarcerated mother to freak out and not have anything left to lose and reveal everything she knows as either revenge or to get witness protection for her and her remaining family members.  

4.  Low level distributors and other independent dealer people might be stupid but the cartel in the USA is smart. They may be brutal and violent but it is targeted violence and done so for a purpose.  They are generally very careful not to get tied up with high profile sympathetic cases.  They generally operate with a different set of rules in the USA because they are aware that certain types of killings will bring attention and political pressure to target them.  So they may slaughter a house full of Hispanic men that might have been involved with them and work in the drug game in a state like Arizona or Texas.  But it’s highly unlikely that a cartel sanctioned hit would occur on an attractive blonde college girl and her friends at a house in Idaho.  And before the response’s “well they maybe didn’t know all the other people would be there”, the one thing that Cartel does very well is surveillance and intelligence so they would’ve known the location they would’ve been watching it for at least that evening to see the traffic and know who is there.

5.  And nowadays FBI gets involved in any of these mass killing situations, especially if the local police department is small and if there are no obvious initial suspects.  The more something looks like it could be some mass killer or serial killer the quicker the FBI gets involved. The FBI presence seems much larger there because the town and police department are so small.  If this were to happen in Salt Lake City or Las Vegas, the presence of the FBI wouldn’t be as obvious because they already have agents in the area that liaison with local police.  

Also if this was a cartel hit they wouldn’t be bringing in a an FBI profiler crew.  That fact alone tells me that they think this was some random individual psychopath/serial killer/jilted lover

I might be wrong in the end but none of the evidence or behavior by the authorities is indicating a cartel hit besides the indication that they thought the killer targeted that house or people

Were any of them arrest with millions of dollars worth of drugs? If not, then it's not the cartel..

This, agreed the murders are not cartel or most likely drug related even

who is "the cartel"?

could be someone who was "snitched out"...

Probably has something to with the agency, Epstein's successor and these kids:

https://twitter.com/BrianEntin/status/1597797785793073152?s=20&t=XXcnJDMsPhiDQ3QRmR4jGg

District attorney for Moscow Idaho, who has been involved in the investigation and continuously meeting with police on the developments, said in an interview that police do not think that drugs or drug dealing is at all connected to these murders.  Video of the interview at the link

Idaho college murders: Slain student's father says she had stalker

Slain University of Idaho student Kaylee Goncalves told her father she had a stalker, but police have not been able to identify the person, according to a new report.

Goncalves, 21, and three friends Ethan Chapin, 20; Xana Kernodle, 20; and Madison Mogen, 21, were stabbed to death in the early morning hours of Nov. 13 at a rental home in Moscow, just yards from campus.

"Did [Kaylee] ever talk to you about a potential stalker or somebody that made her uncomfortable?" ABC News reporter Kayna Whitworth asked Kaylee's father, Steven Goncalves, in an interview.

"She did," he replied. Police previously said they had thoroughly probed reports from family and friends that Kaylee had a stalker.

4Chan + “I have it on good authority”



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It does not “scream” cartel hit. Not even a little bit.

Just to echo the sentiment, there's nothing about this that looks like a cartel hit.

Every time I see this kind of statement I am reminded of the panel below.

Have to be young and in shape, I'd wear out after about 3 stab stabs.

Note that in Idaho you still will like catch a felony for half a gram of weed or such.  Without more context to those drug charges, I don't think I'd give them that much credit.

Looks like at least 2 of the 4 victims had a parent with a criminal history. I'm wondering if the drug charges were for drugs harder than marijuana. I'm guessing yes for Xana's parents. If a person does time for possession of marijuana, I haven't heard of it. Or maybe they were selling marijuana.

The FBI sending agents is interesting as it is a local crime. Or maybe part of something interstate, now that I think of it.

When I was the age of the victims, I haven't heard of any friend's parents having run-ins with the law.

FBI will send people to assist with mass killings like this that appear like they may be the work of some psycho or serial killer.  What could also be a contributing factor is there is a Native American reservation to the north end and one the southeast of Moscow and FBI would be the federal law agency that could pursue leads if information took them to either reservation.

serial killer

It's odd they would call people from Sigma first and wait until they arrive before someone called 911. You're supposed to call 911 as soon as you see a crime of that magnitude.

No one deserves to die over an argument.

I read somewhere they tried to call one of the girls several times and she didn't answer. So they called it in as unconscious.  That only makes sense if the dead were all behind locked doors with no bloody mess elsewhere. Weird. Or mistaken reporting. But of course there's been no release of the 9-1-1 call.

Has this been posted?

Meh, I saw the post there in real time about Jeffery Epstein being removed by unknown security guards and...

...the next morning he was pronounced dead in the news by hanging himself with toilet paper in a suicide cell where the cameras had stopped working just prior

99.8% of posts there are bullshit. .1% are really good disinfo, and the remaining .1% are shit your pants real

Ya never know...

yeah, this doesn't look good.

Xana's mother was arrested for Heroin Trafficking and possession of methampatemine.

https://lmtribune.com/northwest/records/article_9cd316eb-abaa-55e0-aba7-9105c6656b68.html

That does sound like this is was a self correcting problem

Oh, come on, who hasn't trafficked a couple pounds of heroin from time to time?

I think its a gun guy who did it, someone that gets into military weapons and knives, goes to gun shows, possibly served in the military, also who is sexual pervert fixated on one of the girls

I don't know if any of you ever had to club an animal to death. Out of ignorance and fear of causing pain you tend to hit it a lot more than needed, usually until it stops twitching.  I have always been suspect of the "lots of stabs mean hate" trope.

She named her kid "Xana" for a reason.

Why one of the girls?
Could be a dude that couldn't take no for an answer from another dude.  Someone thought he had a chance, then got the "Get away, FREAK!!" reaction.

unfortunatley I agree and have thought that since hearing about the legal issues w/parents.

Yep short for Xanax eh?