Posted: 7/23/2004 10:26:43 AM EDT
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These dipshit's that went and saw MM's 9/11 movie say that the USA is using napalm in Iraq. I told her there is no way we are using that since the 70's but she swears up down its true because MM said it in his movie. What say you guys? |
| Most of the stores of Napalm have been refined into fuel prducts. The last batch of napalm that I am aware of is sitting in the Naval weapons station next to Camp Pendleton because the pallets have become the habitat of some endangered type of field mouse. They cannot move the containers due to environmental law. |
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Don't bet any money. They didn't use "napalm", they used Mk 77 Firebombs. Results are 'remarkably similar' to using napalm  By James W. Crawley UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER August 5, 2003 American jets killed Iraqi troops with firebombs – similar to the controversial napalm used in the Vietnam War – in March and April as Marines battled toward Baghdad. Marine Corps fighter pilots and commanders who have returned from the war zone have confirmed dropping dozens of incendiary bombs near bridges over the Saddam Canal and the Tigris River. The explosions created massive fireballs. "We napalmed both those (bridge) approaches," said Col. Randolph Alles in a recent interview. He commanded Marine Air Group 11, based at Miramar Marine Corps Air Station, during the war. "Unfortunately, there were people there because you could see them in the (cockpit) video. "They were Iraqi soldiers there. It's no great way to die," he added. How many Iraqis died, the military couldn't say. No accurate count has been made of Iraqi war casualties. The bombing campaign helped clear the path for the Marines' race to Baghdad. During the war, Pentagon spokesmen disputed reports that napalm was being used, saying the Pentagon's stockpile had been destroyed two years ago. Apparently the spokesmen were drawing a distinction between the terms "firebomb" and "napalm." If reporters had asked about firebombs, officials said yesterday they would have confirmed their use. What the Marines dropped, the spokesmen said yesterday, were "Mark 77 firebombs." They acknowledged those are incendiary devices with a function "remarkably similar" to napalm weapons. Rather than using gasoline and benzene as the fuel, the firebombs use kerosene-based jet fuel, which has a smaller concentration of benzene. Hundreds of partially loaded Mark 77 firebombs were stored on pre-positioned ammunition ships overseas, Marine Corps officials said. Those ships were unloaded in Kuwait during the weeks preceding the war. "You can call it something other than napalm, but it's napalm," said John Pike, defense analyst with GlobalSecurity.org, a nonpartisan research group in Alexandria, Va. "They were Iraqi soldiers there. It's no great way to die." Col. Randolph Alles Although many human rights groups consider incendiary bombs to be inhumane, international law does not prohibit their use against military forces. The United States has not agreed to a ban against possible civilian targets. "Incendiaries create burns that are difficult to treat," said Robert Musil, executive director of Physicians for Social Responsibility, a Washington group that opposes the use of weapons of mass destruction. Musil described the Pentagon's distinction between napalm and Mark 77 firebombs as "pretty outrageous." "That's clearly Orwellian," he added. Developed during World War II and dropped on troops and Japanese cities, incendiary bombs have been used by American forces in nearly every conflict since. Their use became controversial during the Vietnam War when U.S. and South Vietnamese aircraft dropped millions of pounds of napalm. Its effects were shown in a Pulitzer Prize-winning photograph of Vietnamese children running from their burned village. Before March, the last time U.S. forces had used napalm in combat was the Persian Gulf War, again by Marines. During a recent interview about the bombing campaign in Iraq, Marine Corps Maj. Gen. Jim Amos confirmed aircraft dropped what he and other Marines continue to call napalm on Iraqi troops on several occasions. He commanded Marine jet and helicopter units involved in the Iraq war and leads the Miramar-based 3rd Marine Air Wing. Miramar pilots familiar with the bombing missions pointed to at least two locations where firebombs were dropped. Before the Marines crossed the Saddam Canal in central Iraq, jets dropped several firebombs on enemy positions near a bridge that would become the Marines' main crossing point on the road toward Numaniyah, a key town 40 miles from Baghdad. Next, the bombs were used against Iraqis near a key Tigris River bridge, north of Numaniyah, in early April. There were reports of another attack on the first day of the war. Two embedded journalists reported what they described as napalm being dropped on an Iraqi observation post at Safwan Hill overlooking the Kuwait border. Reporters for CNN and the Sydney (Australia) Morning Herald were told by unnamed Marine officers that aircraft dropped napalm on the Iraqi position, which was adjacent to one of the Marines' main invasion routes. Their reports were disputed by several Pentagon spokesmen who said no such bombs were used nor did the United States have any napalm weapons. The Pentagon destroyed its stockpile of napalm canisters, which had been stored near Camp Pendleton at the Fallbrook Naval Weapons Station, in April 2001. Yesterday military spokesmen described what they see as the distinction between the two types of incendiary bombs. They said mixture used in modern firebombs is a less harmful mixture than Vietnam War-era napalm. "Many folks (out of habit) refer to the Mark 77 as 'napalm' because its effect upon the target is remarkably similar." Col. Michael Daily "This additive has significantly less of an impact on the environment," wrote Marine spokesman Col. Michael Daily, in an e-mailed information sheet provided by the Pentagon. He added, "many folks (out of habit) refer to the Mark 77 as 'napalm' because its effect upon the target is remarkably similar." In the e-mail, Daily also acknowledged that firebombs were dropped near Safwan Hill. Alles, who oversaw the Safwan bombing raid, said 18 one-ton satellite-guided bombs, but no incendiary bombs, were dropped on the site. Military experts say incendiary bombs can be an effective weapon in certain situations. Firebombs are useful against dug-in troops and light vehicles, said GlobalSecurity's Pike. "I used it routinely in Vietnam," said retired Marine Lt. Gen. Bernard Trainor, now a prominent defense analyst. "I have no moral compunction against using it. It's just another weapon." And, the distinctive fireball and smell have a psychological impact on troops, experts said. "The generals love napalm," said Alles, who has transferred to Washington. "It has a big psychological effect." http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/military/20030805-9999_1n5bomb.html
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I have a solution. The new snack craze: MOUSE KRISPIES!!! |
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I say if we've still got some of we should use it up on the sorry bastards. After they have been cooked real thoroughly they won't attract as many flies, thereby reducing another health risk to OUR people which is at this point my primary concern. F*ck Iraq,F*ck Iraqui's,F*ck Muslims in general. Can't say about MM-f9/11, I haven't seen it and ain't gonna, but there are certainly plenty of people who take movies/tv for an accurate portrayal of the truth |
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AvengeR15: It was back in `98 (didn't seem that long ago) Chicago Turned back Full articles, you have to have a subscription. |
No.... Napalm has been retired completely... And replaced by a new incinedrary load... We are using some small thermobaric weapons (modified anti-tank missiles -> AGM-144s), which burn the air in a building (allowing the fire to 'follow' hallways/staircases/etc.... There hasn't been much need for Napalm-style CAS runs after the 'major combat phase', most airstrikes use precision-guided conventional bombs, or the aforementioned helo-launched missiles... One should note that the documented uses of incinedrary weapons were all aginst Iraqi Army positions during the invasion. NOT during the occupation... |
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The last store of "real napalm" was destroyed in 2001. Navy prepares new life for napalm storage site Wednesday's ceremonies mark end for 4-year, $48 million effort GIDGET FUENTES Staff Writer FALLBROOK ---- Navy officials and contractors celebrated the final disposal of 2.7 million gallons of napalm from the Fallbrook Naval Weapons Station on Wednesday, formally ending a four-year drama to remove the Vietnam-era bombs from the site. About 100 people gathered at the station's Napalm Disposal Project site that has housed the nation's stockpile of the weapons since 1972. On March 29, site workers put the last of the 34,563 canisters of napalm through the removal process. The Navy's Napalm Removal Project began in 1998 and will cost the Naval Facilities Engineering Command's Southwest Division about $48 million, officials said. Project officials acknowledge the effort is both over budget by about $24 million and has taken approximately two years longer to complete than originally expected. Nevertheless, Navy officials said they're glad they have finally reached this milestone. "Napalm, as a weapon, is now gone," said Navy Capt. Paul N. Bruno, the Seal Beach Naval Weapons Station commander who oversees the Fallbrook station. Project officials said the final few dozen sealed 55-gallon drums of shredded wood and aluminum and a 6,000-gallon tanker of the napalm now removed from their cigar-shaped canisters will be taken from the station within a week or two. "Good riddance," said acting Navy Secretary Robert Pirie Jr., who attended Wednesday's ceremonies. "The public should be elated." Navy officials said they soon will begin to return the 67-acre site to its native state, which they said would provide habitat for the endangered Stephens kangaroo rat and California gnatcatcher. Buildings on the site will be torn down and removed, as will the surrounding asphalt. Officials are developing plans to restore the site, which is next to scrubby hills and ammunition bunkers. "By the summer, we will have that completed," said Lee H. Saunders, spokesman for the Naval Facilities Engineering Command's Southwest Division in San Diego. Pacific Treatment Environmental Services of El Cajon will remove an area, known as the so-called "palm plant," that "was the first (napalm) processing facility," said Kim Shannon, the firm's project manager for environmental services. "That will be kind of the end," said Shannon, who lives in Rancho Penasquitos. "It's such an accomplishment." The $5 million facility separated the napalm, aluminum and wood, which are carted by rail from the Camp Pendleton Marine Corps Base and eventually recycled in Texas and Louisiana. The napalm is drained and put into protective tanker containers for rail transport. "Acres and acres of napalm bombs, gone. Recycled into fuel (and) aluminum casings," Navy Capt. Thomas M. Boothe, who commands the Naval Facilities Engineering Command-Southwest Division which oversees the project, told the invited crowd. "Some of you may be driving around (in cars) with engine blocks made from napalm bombs." Napalm, which burns but doesn't explode, was used by U.S. military forces in Southeast Asia to clear forests and destroy enemy bunkers and camps. The jellylike mixture is made of polystyrene, gasoline and benzene. Napalm was seared into the nation's memory in scenes of the movie "Apocalypse Now" and in an Associated Press Pulitzer Prize-winning photograph of a naked Vietnamese girl fleeing the bombings. The napalm weapons collected at Fallbrook were originally owned by the U.S. Air Force. "We can now say it is a part of history," said Bob Leonard, the executive director of the Fallbrook Chamber of Commerce. In the early 1990s, leaking canisters with faulty seals prompted local fears of contamination and eventually forced federal officials to remove or dispose of the napalm. Contractors and program officials say the disposal project was done safely and without any environmental damage or worker injuries. The project "is important to the environment," said Kimberly Kessel with the Burlington Northern and Santa Fe Railway Co. Early in the process, "there was a lot of worry about that." Leonard said "it was a very, very open process. If I had any questions, there would be someone to call. That's why the community has been understandable, because they are informed." Navy completes napalm removal from canisters GIDGET FUENTES Staff Writer FALLBROOK ---- Stealing its own ceremonial thunder, the Navy on Friday confirmed that the last of Vietnam War-era napalm was removed from the 34,563 canisters stockpiled at the Fallbrook Naval Weapons Station, a key step before the controversial incendiary weapons are gone from the community for good. The last two of the incendiary weapons had its contents drained from its aluminum containers Thursday, Navy spokesman Gregg T. Smith said from the Fallbrook station's headquarters facility in Orange County. "That process was completed yesterday," Smith said Friday afternoon. Thursday's actions marked the completion date "for eliminating napalm as a weapons system." Smith said the next step, "getting napalm out of Fallbrook," will occur sometime "in early April," but Navy officials would not provide a specific date. Once it is taken out of the station by rail car, the final step of converting napalm into a usable fuel and burning it "is farther down the road," he added. The acting secretary of the Navy, Robert B. Pirie Jr., is scheduled to attend a small ceremony on Wednesday marking the final removal of the incendiary weapons and disposal of the remainder of the 2.7 million gallons of napalm that have been stored at the station, next to Camp Pendleton Marine Corps Base. "We're doing the last act on napalm," Navy Capt. Brian P. Cullin, Pirie's spokesman at the Pentagon, said Friday of Wednesday's ceremony. Lee H. Saunders, spokesman for the Naval Facilities Engineering Command's Southwest Division in San Diego, said the ceremony "is more like a celebration." Project officials and former division commanders will attend the event, which Saunders said includes a tour demonstrating the process of removing the napalm from the canisters. Two empty canisters have been promised to a museum at the China Lake Naval Air Warfare Weapons Division, he said. Napalm is an incendiary substance with a jellylike composition used as a weapon of war. It is made of 46 percent polystyrene, 33 percent gasoline and 21 percent benzene, and it burns but doesn't explode. It was prominent during the Vietnam War in Southeast Asia, where the U.S. military dropped bombs containing napalm to clear jungles and bunkers, attack North Vietnamese soldiers and demolish their camps. Napalm reportedly was last dropped in combat by Marine Corps jets on Iraqi barrier trenches during the Persian Gulf War in 1991. The napalm canisters, originally owned by the U.S. Air Force, have been stored at the Fallbrook station since 1972. The Navy's Napalm Removal Project began in 1998 and is costing the Naval Facilities Engineering Command's Southwest Division about $48 million, officials said. Project officials acknowledge the effort is both over budget by about $24 million and has taken approximately two years longer to complete than originally expected. Leaking canisters prompt project Aging, leaking canisters were endangering underground aquifers and worrying nearby communities, which prompted the drive in the 1990s to remove the napalm from the station. In March 1998, workers began to remove the napalm and dispose of the canisters, processing about 100 of the 500- and 750-pound canisters a day. The byproducts have been shipped by rail to Texas. As of March 16, according to the Navy, project workers have processed 33,922 canisters and shipped 2,591,295 gallons of napalm to The GNI Group Inc., a chemical- and waste-processing company in Deer Park, Texas. With the napalm removed from the last canister Thursday, the contractor will wrap up the recycling process sometime in April, Navy officials said. "It's getting close," Bill Reeves, GNI's vice president for regulatory affairs, said Friday. "We're kind of excited about it." "They're almost done. It's a good day because it's a successful project," Mike Howerton, the vice president of GNI Technical Services and the project manager, said Friday. Recycled three ways According to the Navy, the 10-foot-long napalm canisters are removed from the wooden crates and then are punched and drained of the napalm. The aluminum canisters and the wooden crates are separated, shredded and sorted into three piles. The napalm, aluminum and wood are recycled for some type of use, according to the Navy. The napalm is blended into an alternative fuel for use as a substitute fuel at a Louisiana manufacturing facility and an incinerator. The aluminum is cleaned and then recycled, and the wood is burned to produce electricity and steam. For years, the napalm project has conjured up horrific images of war. "When someone thinks about napalm, immediately in their eyes they'd see explosions and a fire," Reeves said. |
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Gone, even the State of Kalifornication agrees... www.dtsc.ca.gov/database/Calsites/CALP001.CFM?IDNUM=37970003 |
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Phantom, phantom flying high drop that napalm from the sky. See those kids by the river drop some napalm watch them quiver. Napalm (emphasize napalm) sticks to kids! Napalm sticks to kids! See those kids by the lake drop some napalm watch them bake. Napalm (emphasize napalm) sticks to kids! Napalm sticks to kids! See those kids the hut shove some napalm up their butt! Napalm (emphasize napalm) sticks to kids! Napalm sticks to kids!  Oh yea, can't forget this one...Its a classic. You smell that? Do you smell that?... Napalm, son. Nothing else in the world smells like that. I love the smell of napalm in the morning. You know, one time we had a hill bombed, for twelve hours. When it was all over I walked up. We didn't find one of 'em, not one stinkin' dink body. The smell, you know that gasoline smell, the whole hill. Smelled like... victory. Someday this war's gonna end... |
what a screwed up mess |
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Clinton destroyed all our stocks of napalm in the 1990's. Michael Moore is a lying piece of shit. But you knew that. BYW, why do liberals get so upset with specific weapons in war? DU, napalm, clusterbombs, landmines, etc. What is the political correct method of killing the enemy for them? |
Did you bother to read anything I posted? 
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Clinton had nothing to do with the destruction of the Navy's Napalm.
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Killing them with kindness! 
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We do not have ANY napalm anymore. The MK77 is not officially napalm. It works in much the same way and has the same effect. But it isn't napalm. It's made from different ingredients. It's also more environmentally friendly (unless you get hit by it!). So yes, we did drop a few of the MK77's on the Iraqi army during the opening phases of the war. If Michael Moore said that, he'd be correct. But to call it napalm is incorrect. And we haven't used any since because precision guided munitions are more effective for making surgical strikes in built up area. With that said, I have no problem with using MK77 firebombs or napalm, should our forces deem it the most effective weapon for the task at hand. War isn't pretty and to avoid using a weapon because it's messy would be foolish. Let's just be happy that these morons think napalm is the meanest weapon we have in our arsenal. They'd shit if they saw what a CBU could do. Or a thermobaric bomb. The Iraqi's called it the weapon that "melted" men. Literally! I suppose napalm still haunts the mind's of those hippies who are still hopelessly lost in the 60's and the Vietnam experience. |