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Posted: 9/25/2022 5:38:27 AM EDT
[#1]
BJJ. Maybe when he's older throw in some judo and boxing.
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Posted: 9/25/2022 7:31:17 AM EDT
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Fellow martial artist here. Started when I was 7, still doing it 30 years later. Knowing what I know now, I would say "all three". However if just one for now, focus on BJJ. He will learn plenty of ground skills which is a solid basis for building up to striking.
I did things the other way around and started with Tang Soo Do (heavy on striking), Tai Chi (fluid movement), then Isshin Ryu (heavy on getting struck), and finally BJJ and MACP (solid ground work). IMO, I should have started in reverse order. But that is just my opinion. Discipline is the main take away at this point. |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 8:00:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dan is being modest. If I recall he has posted his school curriculum and overview previously, so he could be a resource if you need assistance locating or evaluating a BJJ school. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wellllll I'm a guy that owns a BJJ school. So I vote for that. Dan is being modest. If I recall he has posted his school curriculum and overview previously, so he could be a resource if you need assistance locating or evaluating a BJJ school. |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 8:01:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fellow martial artist here. Started when I was 7, still doing it 30 years later. Knowing what I know now, I would say "all three". However if just one for now, focus on BJJ. He will learn plenty of ground skills which is a solid basis for building up to striking. I did things the other way around and started with Tang Soo Do (heavy on striking), Tai Chi (fluid movement), then Isshin Ryu (heavy on getting struck), and finally BJJ and MACP (solid ground work). IMO, I should have started in reverse order. But that is just my opinion. Discipline is the main take away at this point. |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 8:07:20 AM EDT
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You need all 3, and should have an understanding of all 3...But, this stupid question of I can only do one, then it would have to be JJ, for sure...Every fight I have ever been in has ended up on the ground, so that is where all the fights were won and lost as well...
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Posted: 9/25/2022 8:13:49 AM EDT
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Real Jujitsu. He will probably have to start with Judo. It's possible to study both at the same times with little confusion. I haven't seen a student under the age of 10 who really gets it. So Karate until such a time as they can work and focus on technique beyond a highly stylized form of dance.
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Posted: 9/25/2022 8:14:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Everyone says most fights go to the ground. Okay here’s MMA pros streetfighting and they didn’t go to the ground  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGy7Et37zwA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ial2YmWidyc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3npRzp3tQEIt has been a long time since I have been in a fight but every fight I had took place where I dictated, mostly standing. |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 8:19:15 AM EDT
[#8]
kung fu is completely worthless
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Posted: 9/25/2022 8:26:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Will he learn to kick and throw punches through BJJ? I understand turning someone into a pretzel is important, but solid striking skills are necessary too. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: JJ hands down This. JJ relies on physics, not mystical chi, ki, qi gong or silliness. One of the biggest disservices of "traditional martial arts" training is the magic hokum vs speed, agility, strength. I studied various martial arts & the chi thing was absurd. Traditional Japanese jujitsu encompasses strikes. The problem is finding the right instructor & not some watered-down aikido-esque/wannabe-BJJ “my own special style” like all martial arts |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 8:30:52 AM EDT
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Both
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Posted: 9/25/2022 8:34:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is no such thing as chi that’s tv and movies so anyone referencing king fu Qi hasn’t actually experienced a legit instructor. Tai Qi is just for exercise. Bruce Lee sucked at Wing Chun by the way. This from fellow students who knew him in Hong Kong. Anderson Silva doesn’t even execute Wing Chun properly and isn’t studying from a legit Wing Chun Sifu . Despite not executing Wing Chun properly Anderson Silva still won his boxing bout https://www.bjpenn.com/boxing-news/anderson-silva-responds-after-tito-ortiz-claims-he-uses-wing-chun-bruce-lee-bullsht-fighting-tactics/?amp=1https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/86577F5C-216A-4A2A-BBCE-018EE560FE81_jpe-2538450.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/4E09CA5F-A562-4B55-9C11-0E5B940D855E_jpe-2538451.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/F43CD6EF-7A2D-4B0D-972D-95EDBA58FE59_jpe-2538452.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/2B47E9F7-EF2D-464E-B70A-5DC8040268D4_jpe-2538453.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/9C5457CA-A2D4-430B-A74E-3F98A7A8CD62_jpe-2538454.JPG https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7T3U_NAq1oQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This. JJ relies on physics, not mystical chi, ki, qi gong or silliness. One of the biggest disservices of “traditional martial arts” training is the magic hokum vs speed, agility, strength. I studied various martial arts & the chi thing was absurd. There is no such thing as chi that’s tv and movies so anyone referencing king fu Qi hasn’t actually experienced a legit instructor. Tai Qi is just for exercise. Bruce Lee sucked at Wing Chun by the way. This from fellow students who knew him in Hong Kong. Anderson Silva doesn’t even execute Wing Chun properly and isn’t studying from a legit Wing Chun Sifu . Despite not executing Wing Chun properly Anderson Silva still won his boxing bout https://www.bjpenn.com/boxing-news/anderson-silva-responds-after-tito-ortiz-claims-he-uses-wing-chun-bruce-lee-bullsht-fighting-tactics/?amp=1https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/86577F5C-216A-4A2A-BBCE-018EE560FE81_jpe-2538450.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/4E09CA5F-A562-4B55-9C11-0E5B940D855E_jpe-2538451.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/F43CD6EF-7A2D-4B0D-972D-95EDBA58FE59_jpe-2538452.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/2B47E9F7-EF2D-464E-B70A-5DC8040268D4_jpe-2538453.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/9C5457CA-A2D4-430B-A74E-3F98A7A8CD62_jpe-2538454.JPG https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7T3U_NAq1o@CarmelBytheSea Boomer checking in—my karate, aikido & JKD training back in the late 1970s/through late 1980s was filled with misinformation about ki, life force, prana, & “precious bodily fluids” (jk on the last part, Strangelove) and there was misinformation about “internal muscles & ligaments” that prevent injury with proper breathing, ESP, visualization, etc. the ninja craze was just coming out, so karate schools got batshit crazed to compete with mystical ninjanonsense. I haven’t practiced since the 1990s & just suggest patents look at what hokum & poppycock is being taught before enrolling kids. Kids brains—suck up misinformation as well as actual facts. |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 8:36:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Unless you live in San Francisco you’d be wasting time with Kung Fu in 87% of the rest of the world. Only a handful of legitimate instructors remain and it would take 20 years of training just to handle the typical UFC MMA type of guys probably 40 years to deal with the champions. At least 12 just to deal with typical BBJ guys. So most people don’t have the faith, perseverance and dedication to do all that. 87% will opt for Thai kickboxingJujitsu and boxing if not 99.9%. On the flip side 99% of Americans have zero clue about the 1 out of a billion legit kung fu and only think of tv nonsense, death touch bullshit or movie crap or the fake “Shaolin temple” garbage. The first priority is gauging level of interest because consistent training > style and then finding a competent instructor. If you want to see legit stuff in San Francisco where people are willing to actually fight any challengers {taped broken windows from past visitors} and no rules pressure testing, then I’ll tell you where to go. Feel free to start a fight, no cops will be called, nobody will jump in or break up the fight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ_Hcn6-yZcMuay Thai / Kickboxing is where I’m at as well. Quick protective striking protecting head und upper torso. A good combo and a strong push kick will get most people off you Riki tic. I’m 58+ and train 3x week. My 12yo also. I prefer to prevent going to the ground. The workout is second to none as well. |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 8:49:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Framing, posting and sprawling is going to be as necessary as elbows, strikes, knees or kicking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47t3sfgZsXA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL7nl55XPbA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMZFitVUw5EThanks for the vid on double underhook defense. Money.. |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 9:01:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: kung fu is completely worthless |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 9:52:56 AM EDT
[#15]
Wrestling and boxing for street fights. BJJ is awesome but I want a good wrestling base so Im able to get up if Im on the ground with whoever Im fighting in case he has any friends who want to stomp my head when Im down. most people cant take a punch, im sure myself included as we just dont train enough to be able to, so boxing will let level the playfield quickly if your out numbered.
Purely for sport, I enjoyed BJJ. |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 9:56:24 AM EDT
[#16]
BJJ. Mix in some real Judo as well.
Speaking from experience with my kids (they each started around 5-6yrs old) and myself. Both wrestled in HS. One is currently wrestling in College. |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 9:57:58 AM EDT
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Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. It’s literally without hyperbole saved my life, a couple times.
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Posted: 9/25/2022 10:08:43 AM EDT
[#18]
Judo but since you didn't list that as an option, BJJ (an arguably safer, lower-intensity form of Judo) is the next best option and much easier to find. The concept of needing to strike in a self-defense fight is a little weird since if the guy doesn't have hands on you, you can just leave. For sport fighting with rules obviously that changes the dynamic, which is where you can start talking about which methods are better in certain situations.
Worst case just look for a good school with some level of traditional discipline (something lacking in many adult BJJ schools), and let your kid develop a skill and confidence while staying healthy and fit. Ultimately as long as they are doing that you're good to go. |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 11:40:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You don’t want to be on the ground in a real fight because you are rarely fighting on a soft mat against one person. IMO boxing is better because the whole point of the game is not going on the ground. Granted you won’t learn kicking from traditional boxing but being able to be punched in the mouth and keeping your cool is worth a lot in a real fight. You only have so much time that you can dedicate to training. Learn how to get hit, block a hit, and land a hit. Then when you know that, try learning more about ground game and kicking. Not going to the ground is NOT the point of boxing as it's not even something mentioned, taught to avoid or part of some rule set. A boxer worries as much about going to the ground as a pure BJJ does getting hit in the face. In a perfect world, if you are truly concerned about avoiding the ground ( which makes sense) then you'd learn boxing and either wrestling/ BJJ or judo. The grappling art will help you avoid takedowns and if you get taken down, will teach you how to get back up immediately to keep boxing. I'm confident enough to say I could take down many of the high level boxers and beat them there. ... And the only one I know of that would give me a hard time...lomachenko... Because he's a real good wrestler. |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 11:47:55 AM EDT
[#20]
I voted Jiu Jitsu, but not the Brazilian type. Get him into Judo, which will lead to real Japanese Jiu Jitsu.
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Posted: 9/25/2022 12:25:15 PM EDT
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Finding a good school with an instructor that is legit may be the most difficult for any discipline and most important. For kids I would say the training should involve a good cardio routine, second would be teaching hard work gives reward not the time training. It needs to be a school that will keep the child interested and involved so the child will go the distance in training and not just phase it out. So it needs to have some fun incorporated in the training. At 6 you are not really looking for teaching self defense as a primary choice. That can develop later. Realistically most street fights are won by the person that gets the most violent first. Or the person that does enough to get away. Sometimes that is one in the same. My daughter has been training since 6 in karate. She has a black belt and gets to participate in teaching the kids classes. she really enjoys it. But I have also explained the difference between the torments or class vs real life. So I would say worry about finding the right school or instructor vs a certain discipline for a child.
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Posted: 9/25/2022 1:18:12 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @CarmelBytheSea Boomer checking in—my karate, aikido & JKD training back in the late 1970s/through late 1980s was filled with misinformation about ki, life force, prana, & “precious bodily fluids” (jk on the last part, Strangelove) and there was misinformation about “internal muscles & ligaments” that prevent injury with proper breathing, ESP, visualization, etc. the ninja craze was just coming out, so karate schools got batshit crazed to compete with mystical ninjanonsense. I haven’t practiced since the 1990s & just suggest patents look at what hokum & poppycock is being taught before enrolling kids. Kids brains—suck up misinformation as well as actual facts. I remember those days. It took me a decade of searching schools from NYC to LA to San Francisco sitting on mats watching instructors of dozens of styles before pure luck I ran into Ben Der while attending college. Pre UFC I asked about take down defense and was impressed at him pressure testing against a Olympic wrestler despite the huge size difference. I asked all those 70s David Carradine and 80s Ninja questions and learned it was all bs. Learned Bruce Lee was only a 6 year student with very limited ability because he left for the the USA. We’d have guys turn up after I did asking about which animal styles they could learn, etc and when they didn’t like the answers they’d just turn around and leave. American Guys would show up wearing silk Chinese outfits or looking for Bruce Lee movie flying kick training. People would expect to get fancy uniforms or colored belts. The Sifu barely spoke English, I was taking Chinese in college but he spoke Cantonese and I was being taught Mandarin and 87% of the students were Chinese the rest were Asian; Vietnamese or Philippino so it was just me and less than a dozen non Asian guys there back then. I cringed when I rewatched the Magnum PI Kung Fu one punch killer episode a few years back. |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 1:23:27 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Muay Thai / Kickboxing is where I’m at as well. Quick protective striking protecting head und upper torso. A good combo and a strong push kick will get most people off you Riki tic. I’m 58+ and train 3x week. My 12yo also. I prefer to prevent going to the ground. The workout is second to none as well. That’s great. Keep it up. Martial arts is good for the mind as much as anything. Your 12 year old can build self confidence, discipline, focus and so many other things for life. I’m always happy to hear about the next generation learning a martial art. 
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Posted: 9/25/2022 1:27:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Judo but since you didn't list that as an option, BJJ (an arguably safer, lower-intensity form of Judo) is the next best option and much easier to find. The concept of needing to strike in a self-defense fight is a little weird since if the guy doesn't have hands on you, you can just leave. For sport fighting with rules obviously that changes the dynamic, which is where you can start talking about which methods are better in certain situations. Worst case just look for a good school with some level of traditional discipline (something lacking in many adult BJJ schools), and let your kid develop a skill and confidence while staying healthy and fit. Ultimately as long as they are doing that you're good to go. Yeah, get kids off those damn video games. Nothing wrong with occasional entertainment but it seems like kids are addicted to gaming. Get outside kids!  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 1:28:36 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Good to know. Thank you both. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Wellllll I'm a guy that owns a BJJ school. So I vote for that. Dan is being modest. If I recall he has posted his school curriculum and overview previously, so he could be a resource if you need assistance locating or evaluating a BJJ school. Yup. Hit me up if you find a school you’re interested in. I’d be happy to help. |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 1:33:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wrestling and boxing for street fights. BJJ is awesome but I want a good wrestling base so Im able to get up if Im on the ground with whoever Im fighting in case he has any friends who want to stomp my head when Im down. most people cant take a punch, im sure myself included as we just dont train enough to be able to, so boxing will let level the playfield quickly if your out numbered. Purely for sport, I enjoyed BJJ. This is the way. With little children it's not such a big deal but once into teenage or young adult years the chances of real scenarios like you described become more probable. Being proficient on the street is a totally different ballgame than two trained guys grappling in a ring/cage wishing they had trained harder at BJJ. |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 1:42:09 PM EDT
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People screaming JJ mustve never been in a real right. It works great in a ring but isnt shit in a street fight. You take a guy to the ground in a street fight and one odf his buddies is gonna football punt your head. Now, traditional judo (which also uses ground fighting) is a FFAARRR superior form of combat. However, learning to take a punch and how to throw a real punch are irreplaceable skills.
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Posted: 9/25/2022 1:50:16 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: People screaming JJ mustve never been in a real right. It works great in a ring but isnt shit in a street fight. You take a guy to the ground in a street fight and one odf his buddies is gonna football punt your head. Now, traditional judo (which also uses ground fighting) is a FFAARRR superior form of combat. However, learning to take a punch and how to throw a real punch are irreplaceable skills. That's completely wrong. If someone that trains in BJJ to a high level adjusts their mindset and understands to use their BJJ to be able to avoid the ground, get off the ground or throw you to the ground, he'll be good to go. I had this exact conversation with my coach a few weeks ago. About the limitations of each Martial art ( BJJ, boxing, wrestling etc ). His BJJ is on point and a high lvl black belt. And he stated that BJJ in a street fight situation is best used as defensive, getting back up , throws and having superior foot work when someone tries tying you up. Creating distance with grappling would allow you to start your boxing/ Muay Thai. BJJ , Judo wrestlers can all get punched in the face or leg kicked to oblivion....and boxers and muay Thai guys can get thrown or taken down endlessly.. so ... Train a little of everything. And in reality you can't go wrong picking 2-3 of any of them |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 1:50:44 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: kung fu is completely worthless Yeah for a variety of reasons, 99% of it is worthless for street fights. But if you want to get into stunt work for films it can be helpful. |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 1:54:45 PM EDT
[#30]
At his age, I'd go with JJ (or Judo) to get him a solid foundation in grappling. When he gets a little older, go with boxing or muay thai.
Kung Fu is just garbage. |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 1:57:44 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's completely wrong. If someone that trains in BJJ to a high level adjusts their mindset and understands to use their BJJ to be able to avoid the ground, get off the ground or throw you to the ground, he'll be good to go. I had this exact conversation with my coach a few weeks ago. About the limitations of each Martial art ( BJJ, boxing, wrestling etc ). His BJJ is on point and a high lvl black belt. And he stated that BJJ in a street fight situation is best used as defensive, getting back up , throws and having superior foot work when someone tries tying you up. Creating distance with grappling would allow you to start your boxing/ Muay Thai. BJJ , Judo wrestlers can all get punched in the face or leg kicked to oblivion....and boxers and muay Thai guys can get thrown or taken down endlessly.. so ... Train a little of everything. And in reality you can't go wrong picking 2-3 of any of them Awhile back I watched these 2 Japanese guys discuss the limitations of what they train in Japan. Timing and position is a big factor in outcomes.  ?Karate vs Jiu-Jitsu?What will happen? Let's verify! |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 2:18:09 PM EDT
[#32]
Pfft!!!! Haven't ya'll watched a martial arts movie? You should know Ninjitsu is where it's at!
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Posted: 9/25/2022 2:34:11 PM EDT
[#33]
@MadeintheUSA
This is a question that has been asked and answered thousands of times around the US already. As young as he is he its more about the big picture not so much the technique or system/school. Find a local wrestling club, if in doubt find a local HS and ask the coach for recommendations. Wrestling teams attached to his school will have a lot to offer that all the other non school system related dojo/clubs/school can't offer. As he gets older he can always switch from wrestling to anything else that catches his fancy. A big plus is as he gets older his teammates traveling with him give him a chance to build both wrestling and leadership skills in a larger social environment. Another plus for you the ease of transition/ transportation once he starts practicing at his own school. https://www.usawmembership.com/state_clubs/FL Either way good luck. |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 2:36:15 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: kung fu is completely worthless Unless you know what you're doing. |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 2:37:16 PM EDT
[#35]
Rex Kwon Do
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Posted: 9/25/2022 3:41:59 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: People screaming JJ mustve never been in a real right. It works great in a ring but isnt shit in a street fight. You take a guy to the ground in a street fight and one odf his buddies is gonna football punt your head. Now, traditional judo (which also uses ground fighting) is a FFAARRR superior form of combat. However, learning to take a punch and how to throw a real punch are irreplaceable skills. We are talking about what would be best for a SIX year old not an adult or late teen interested in defending himself in street fights. If you concern is street fights you better be versed in many different styles of martial arts and every one has strengths and weaknesses that another form addresses. YMMV but a don’t believe striking sports are in a six year olds best interest. The idea OP had about getting a bag at home to teach his kid would probably make the most sense, however, if you really want hand eye coordination baseball practice would make similar impacts and probably be more fun for a six year old. |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 4:42:24 PM EDT
[#37]
I'm no expert but I'd say learn jiu jitsu then boxing and muy Thai.
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Posted: 9/25/2022 5:05:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Rex Kwon Do Ameri Do teh  Ameri-Do-Te Guard Technique |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 5:33:46 PM EDT
[#39]
Really, we're talking about a 6 year old. The goals for a kid that age aren't which art is the deadliest, most practical or the biggest money maker.
Physically, the goals should be 1. Coordination. He's learning how to "drive" his body, the movements learned at this age will be with him forever. 2. Mobility. American's have shit mobility, how many of you can actually touch your toes or even squat? Same thing, the mobility patterns he learns now will be always be there, or at least easier to get to if he lets himself slide. 3. GPP. Just another way to teach him to be physically active through his life. But I'd say the mental development is more important, and is a product of the sensei and students around him. Respect, integrity, discipline. This is why I say whichever has the best sensei. If it's a daycare center, then it doesn't matter what art it is. Of the three, I'd lean toward BJJ. Not because he'll be a badass grappler or know "how to fight.". I'd go with BJJ because he'll learn how to fall, literally. Edit:. And he has to at least halfway enjoy whatever it is. |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 5:36:44 PM EDT
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Gun Fu
I suck at hand to hand. |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 5:43:11 PM EDT
[#41]
Any mixture of Judo, BJJ, Boxing, Muay Thai, and Wrestling (Ideally Collegiate/Folk Style) is what one should train if they want to become good at fighting.
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Posted: 9/25/2022 6:24:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Great feedback. Thanks. That seems like an awesome combo. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: BJJ with muay thai/boxing. Basically MMA gyms which a good number BJJ do today. I spent years doing Karate/Taekwondo which was a freaking waste. TBH, if you can gind a local MMA gym that had classes for kids, it's a great way to start. Especially for self defense, knowing wgat to do against a punch (boxing, Muay Thai, kickboxing), how to defend when you're down (BJJ), AND how to defend against takedown attempts (wrestling/MMA) are ALL important for self defense. A good MMA gym where there are fighters who regularly compete (and win) will tell you that the level of instruction isn't just hype/BS. While there are some kung fu instructors who can actually hold their own in a fight, and teach students to hold their own in a fight, a LOT of it is BS (and I've studied several styles of kung fu). If the school isn't at least competitive in sanda/sanshou/kuoshu (full contact kickboxing) competitions, I'd just avoid it in general. Boxing is good for training hands, but needs BJJ or wrestling to complement. I've sparred with boxers, and just like the Tae Kwon Do Tournament Champions I've sparred with who have no grappling background, they don't know what to do when grabbed (and freak the F### out if you grab them during 'friendly sparring'). Muay Thai and wrestling are a GREAT combo. Personally, I'm not a fan of going to the ground when fighting IRL. Known too many guys who've been blindsided because they mistakenly thought they only had to deal with ONE asshole. I'd rather focus on preventing takedowns and pounding whoever gets close. |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 7:26:51 PM EDT
[#43]
 BJJ Student Saves a Cop! BJJ would be my suggestion. Add boxing or Muay Thai later. |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 7:34:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/25/2022 7:57:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Haymakers that don’t connect or guys grabbing each other and trading hits bent over at the waist like girls in junior high is a common scene after the bars close at 2 am. Watched 2 fat guys swing at the air over and over in the general direction of each other but missing each other until finally landing but too tired to continue at the Exotic Erotic too. Black guys from the hood love to draw their elbows in wide foot stance reaching haymakers with head leaned way back ghetto fight method. 90% of people have zero consistent training and the 2% that can actually fight rarely do minus lunatics like me and Nate Diaz who thinks Stockton, CA is everywhere he goes. This. Every bar fight I was ever in -except one- started with some drunk throwing a haymaker. Had some jackass in class one night, the other instructor was gone and I was going over haymaker defense to takedown, etc. Guy said how "no one in the UFC does that."  As if every time you go to a bar you see Tito Ortiz, Nate Diaz, etc. I responded that about 6 bar fights all started with some schmuck doing just this. And while I love ground fighting, most of them involved simply deflection, a knee, dropping the guy to the ground but never following them to the ground. The other one was me being a dunskie and breaking up two chicks fighting and getting clocked over the head with a beer bottle. I think she thought it was going to be like the movies (bottle shatters and person clatters to ground). It hurt like hades, but the bottle didn't break, cut the hell out of my head though. I have seen tons of fights where one guy simply loses balance and the fight ends up on the ground, or gets knocked to the ground. When it goes to the ground, The fight continues... Are you going to be a part of it or not? "The ground is the water, we are sharks.. and most people can't swim." You got to be able to swim 
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Posted: 9/26/2022 1:36:05 PM EDT
[#46]
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Posted: 9/26/2022 1:40:44 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Will he learn to kick and throw punches through BJJ? I understand turning someone into a pretzel is important, but solid striking skills are necessary too. He doesn't need to learn to kick and punch at 6. Have him do BJJ. When he is older add in boxing, then MT to get the striking. |
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Posted: 9/26/2022 1:48:17 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not going to the ground is NOT the point of boxing as it's not even something mentioned, taught to avoid or part of some rule set. A boxer worries as much about going to the ground as a pure BJJ does getting hit in the face. In a perfect world, if you are truly concerned about avoiding the ground ( which makes sense) then you'd learn boxing and either wrestling/ BJJ or judo. The grappling art will help you avoid takedowns and if you get taken down, will teach you how to get back up immediately to keep boxing. I'm confident enough to say I could take down many of the high level boxers and beat them there. ... And the only one I know of that would give me a hard time...lomachenko... Because he's a real good wrestler. Pure strikers in early UFC were easy to takedown because they thought striking would prevent takedowns. |
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Posted: 9/26/2022 1:48:43 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My 6yo is about 6 months in at the nearby kung fu place. Chose it mainly for their focus on leadership, confidence and anti-bully stuff (and proximity). Stuck with it because he likes it, despite what I perceive to be some mcdojo characteristics, e.g., he's already been assigned his "black belt date" and so far we've already had one price bump - to enter the leadership track. They do spar, do mix in some bjj, do test for all the various shades of all the different belts, and do encourage leadership at all levels, so worth it so far. At this age if it helps him improve and maintains his interest, it's a win. My 9-year-old is also in a nearby Kung-fu place. I would clarify this one as a McDojo, too, but just like yours, he's getting exercise, discipline, comradery and confidence. When he gets his black belt, I'll be enrolling him in BJJ to learn a different martial art. They don't spar at all, practically, and he gets to train with Kung-fu weapons which he loves. |
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Posted: 9/26/2022 1:50:42 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: People screaming JJ mustve never been in a real right. It works great in a ring but isnt shit in a street fight. You take a guy to the ground in a street fight and one odf his buddies is gonna football punt your head. Now, traditional judo (which also uses ground fighting) is a FFAARRR superior form of combat. However, learning to take a punch and how to throw a real punch are irreplaceable skills. He's six. Any fights will be schoolyard fights. He probably wouldn't even escalate to striking, and if he did he'd get in trouble. BJJ is simply a vastly superior tool for him. |
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