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7/20/2004 6:22:01 PM EDT
Is #1

Family  is #2

Country is #3

That is all.

7/20/2004 6:23:53 PM EDT
[#1]
Yes my child.
7/20/2004 6:31:05 PM EDT
[#2]
pie? what?

7/20/2004 6:33:55 PM EDT
[#3]
So, if "God" told ya to kill yer family and move to Mexico, you'd oblige?


The people are so easily controlled.
7/20/2004 6:35:46 PM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
So, if "God" told ya to kill yer family and move to Mexico, you'd oblige?


The people are so easily controlled.



you called?

no, I dont condone killing ones own family
7/20/2004 6:37:21 PM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
So, if "God" told ya to kill yer family and move to Mexico, you'd oblige?




GOD would do no such thing.

So its a moot point....


7/20/2004 6:37:49 PM EDT
[#6]
i like pie!!


+1

In
Before
The
Lord
7/20/2004 6:38:06 PM EDT
[#7]
My family comes first.

Yes, FIRST.

That won't change until and unless HE makes a direct physical appearance to me and proves beyond any possible doubt that my priorities are screwed up.

God...which of the several hundred versions do you mean, anyway?  Not the version followed by those radical muslims,  I hope!


CJ

7/20/2004 6:39:11 PM EDT
[#8]
How does Zeus rank?


Quoted:
Is #1

Family  is #2

Country is #3

That is all.


7/20/2004 6:40:10 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:


God...which of the several hundred versions do you mean, anyway?  Not the version followed by those radical muslims,  I hope!


CJ




I said GOD. Not SATAN.  Jeeze, get a dictionary.....

7/20/2004 6:41:02 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
Is #1

Family  is #2

Country is #3

That is all.





+1 and Amen
7/20/2004 6:42:38 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:

Quoted:
So, if "God" told ya to kill yer family and move to Mexico, you'd oblige?




GOD would do no such thing.



Genesis 22
1: And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am.
2: And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.
7/20/2004 6:44:19 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
So, if "God" told ya to kill yer family and move to Mexico, you'd oblige?




GOD would do no such thing.



Genesis 22
1: And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am.
2: And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.




Old testament, we are under grace now, no sacrifice.
7/20/2004 6:45:28 PM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:

Quoted:
So, if "God" told ya to kill yer family and move to Mexico, you'd oblige?




GOD would do no such thing.

So its a moot point....





Are you sure about that?  God tells His children to do some pretty dubious things:

www.kypost.com/2001/sep/03/kroger090301.html:



Suspect: God told him to do it

By Jeanne Houck, Post staff reporter

Police say a man who stole hotdogs and orange juice from a Kroger store in Fort Mitchell before leading officers from four departments on a bizarre car chase through the parking lot claimed he was acting on orders from God.

''What he said was, God told him to go to a white neighborhood and cause trouble,'' said Fort Mitchell Police Sgt. Tom Loos. The man is African American.

''I think everybody was very clear that he accomplished his goal.''

Aundre Black, 23, of Lansing, Mich., surrendered only after a police stop stick flattened one of his tires and he rammed a cruiser - leaving his own car disabled, Loos said.

Black, who was lodged in the Kenton County Jail, is charged with first-degree robbery and fleeing, and three counts each of first-degree wanton endangerment and first-degree criminal mischief.

About 11:30 a.m. Saturday, Black went inside the Kroger store at the Expressway Plaza off Dixie Highway, stole several items, and threatened employees who tried to stop him with large stones - some of which he lobbed through two large panes of glass after he ran outside, said Fort Mitchell Detective Ron Johnson.

Sgt. Ray Murphy of the Kenton County Sheriff's Department was in the area and tried to stop Black, Johnson said.

''Mr. Black refused to yield and continued driving at a high rate of speed through the parking lot, striking approximately nine parked vehicles and three police cruisers,'' Johnson said.

Police from Fort Wright and Crescent Springs also tried to stop Black.

''The officers were very concerned because it was a very busy parking lot, and it was crowded with people and cars and it obviously put people at risk,'' Loos said.

After police finally stopped Black, many who watched the chase broke out into applause.

Loos said people in the store and parking lot complimented Police Chief Steve Hensley.

''He told me that several citizens came up to him after this guy was taken into custody and told him the officers used great restraint,'' he said.



Edit: I see that great minds think alike.
7/20/2004 6:46:09 PM EDT
[#14]
Genesis:22:11: And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I.
Ge:22:12: And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.
Ge:22:13: And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.

GOD IS # 1
7/20/2004 6:49:19 PM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:
Genesis:22:11: And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I.
Ge:22:12: And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.
Ge:22:13: And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.

GOD IS # 1




Still ... he did ask him to go to mexico and kill his family, but he he was just kidding.

7/20/2004 6:50:10 PM EDT
[#16]


Suspect: God told him to do it

By Jeanne Houck, Post staff reporter

Police say a man who stole hotdogs and orange juice from a Kroger store in Fort Mitchell before leading officers from four departments on a bizarre car chase through the parking lot claimed he was acting on orders from God.

''What he said was, God told him to go to a white neighborhood and cause trouble,'' said Fort Mitchell Police Sgt. Tom Loos. The man is African American.



You're kidding right? You come to a gunfight armed with this squirtgun??


7/20/2004 6:51:12 PM EDT
[#17]
YOU may think that those radical muslims are actually following the devil, and I may as well, (and I assure you, that's EXACTLY what I think...), but THEY probably think they're following God and are doing GOOD works.    They've been deceived by the devil.

Still,  there are too many versions of god for me to choose any specific one of them.  I want the real and total truth, not the truth as told by fallible humans.

CJ
7/20/2004 6:52:18 PM EDT
[#18]

''What he said was, God told him to go to a white neighborhood and cause trouble,'' said Fort Mitchell Police Sgt. Tom Loos. The man is African American


God tells me to do that stuff all of the time too.
7/20/2004 6:52:57 PM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:

Suspect: God told him to do it

By Jeanne Houck, Post staff reporter

Police say a man who stole hotdogs and orange juice from a Kroger store in Fort Mitchell before leading officers from four departments on a bizarre car chase through the parking lot claimed he was acting on orders from God.

''What he said was, God told him to go to a white neighborhood and cause trouble,'' said Fort Mitchell Police Sgt. Tom Loos. The man is African American.



You're kidding right? You come to a gunfight armed with this squirtgun??





I'm not here to fight, just to point out that God tests His children's faith in various, and sometimes odd, ways.  Imagine the faith it took for this man to execute God's instructions.
7/20/2004 6:53:26 PM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:
My family comes first.

Yes, FIRST.

That won't change until and unless HE makes a direct physical appearance to me and proves beyond any possible doubt that my priorities are screwed up.

God...which of the several hundred versions do you mean, anyway?  Not the version followed by those radical muslims,  I hope!

CJ



your priorities are screwed up.   You should be above your family, how can you protect your family if you are all messed up?   I understand sacrifices made for family, but that is not what i am talking about.

and since you priorities are now shown to be messed up, you might want to rethink that God is not #1 thing again.   basically you are saying to God-   I'm not gonna do what you say until you do what i say.    God wouldn't be much of a God if he was so easily manipulated, would he?

7/20/2004 6:54:07 PM EDT
[#21]




Still ... he did ask him to go to mexico and kill his family, but he he was just kidding.




No, actually he just proposed an absurdity, in the hopes of luring a response. As the previous poster stated we are now under grace, the price has already been paid, though I do see the validity of your point. No additional debt is due, so God won't be asking anyone to sacrifice their Family. God IS #1.

7/20/2004 6:54:22 PM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:
Is #1

Family  is #2

Country is #3

That is all.




+1


7/20/2004 6:54:27 PM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:

Quoted:

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So, if "God" told ya to kill yer family and move to Mexico, you'd oblige?




GOD would do no such thing.



Genesis 22
1: And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am.
2: And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.



Do you wanna tell the rest of the story?   But I think God has the right to take ANY life He chooses, after all he created life, and has the power to restore it.  Keep that in mind.
7/20/2004 6:55:01 PM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:

Suspect: God told him to do it

By Jeanne Houck, Post staff reporter

Police say a man who stole hotdogs and orange juice from a Kroger store in Fort Mitchell before leading officers from four departments on a bizarre car chase through the parking lot claimed he was acting on orders from God.

''What he said was, God told him to go to a white neighborhood and cause trouble,'' said Fort Mitchell Police Sgt. Tom Loos. The man is African American.



You're kidding right? You come to a gunfight armed with this squirtgun??





Squirtgun with hot sauce. Answer please.

Please do tell how you can state with 100% certainty, to me, to yourself, that "God" did NOT speak to the man?
7/20/2004 6:57:44 PM EDT
[#25]

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So, if "God" told ya to kill yer family and move to Mexico, you'd oblige?




GOD would do no such thing.



Genesis 22
1: And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am.
2: And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.



Do you wanna tell the rest of the story?   But I think God has the right to take ANY life He chooses, after all he created life, and has the power to restore it.  Keep that in mind.


Your absolutley right. He kills babies, allows millions to suffer incredible pain and hardship, et' al.

Lately, it has been incredibly hard for me to believe any gods exist, or over existed.
7/20/2004 6:59:29 PM EDT
[#26]

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So, if "God" told ya to kill yer family and move to Mexico, you'd oblige?




GOD would do no such thing.



Genesis 22
1: And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am.
2: And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.



Do you wanna tell the rest of the story?   But I think God has the right to take ANY life He chooses, after all he created life, and has the power to restore it.  Keep that in mind.


Your absolutley right. He kills babies, allows millions to suffer incredible pain and hardship, et' al.

Lately, it has been incredibly hard for me to believe any gods exist, or over existed.



The world is bad enough, if there were no God it would be a lot worse. I agree you see enough shit you lose the faith.
7/20/2004 7:00:44 PM EDT
[#27]
Family comes first,  and by that I mean children.   A person who survives at the expense of his children is a loser in the survival and evolutionary senses.     A person who dies in the process of protecting his children, and they survive as a result of his actions,  IS a winner in those senses.       Your children are more important than you are.   That's why family comes before yourself.

CJ
7/20/2004 7:03:07 PM EDT
[#28]
God is # 1

Family is #2

Country is #3

7/20/2004 7:04:50 PM EDT
[#29]

Quoted:

Squirtgun with hot sauce. Answer please.

Please do tell how you can state with 100% certainty, to me, to yourself, that "God" did NOT speak to the man?



Insanity is not a defendable position. As even the Law allows reason for it as a defense, I cannot defend reason against the insane.

The test is for those who are able to take it.

7/20/2004 7:06:06 PM EDT
[#30]

Quoted:

Squirtgun with hot sauce. Answer please.

Please do tell how you can state with 100% certainty, to me, to yourself, that "God" did NOT speak to the man?

Insanity is not a defendable position. As even the Law allows reason for it as a defense, I cannot defend reason against the insane.

The test is for those who are able to take it.




I would say because God tests men for a learning experience. God does things to build faith, character and to witness to others. Since a black guy with hot sauce does not appear to do any of the above, I would say God was not the motivator.
7/20/2004 7:13:31 PM EDT
[#31]

Quoted:
God is # 1

Family is #2

Country is #3




In practical terms, what exactly do you mean when you say God is #1?

What impact does this have on your daily life and the life of your family?

Does God talk directly to you? Do you talk directly to God? If you talk directly to God, does God answer you? Does God every directly tell you to do things or give you exclusive information?

Inquiring minds want to know!
7/20/2004 7:38:21 PM EDT
[#32]




What impact does this have on your daily life and the life of your family?

Does God talk directly to you? Do you talk directly to God? If you talk directly to God, does God answer you? Does God every directly tell you to do things or give you exclusive information?

Inquiring minds want to know!



OK. fair enough.

8 years ago I was looking for a new Job. I had been told by my surgeon that my current source of income would lead to a life in a wheel chair in 10 years.
So I decided that wasn't cool, and I should follow his guidance.
I was grabbing the classified from friends, and relatives to search out a job, but was having no luck.  
The jobs were there but I wasn't getting the call.

So I prayed.

God did answer me.

Now here is where you'll have to follow close.

God said to me, you cannot reap what you have not sown.
Go BUY a paper.

Look in the classified and call the first add that catches your attention.  
Apply.
You will be hired and succeed at that  job.

I did as I was instructed.
I bought a paper, and immediately a large add caught my eye.
I applyied to the address with a resume.

I was called back within 24 hours to an interview.  
When I arrived there were at least 50 people waiting to interview for the position I was applying to. The room was full of people who had arrived before me.

Within 10 minutes I was called from the group to the HR rep.
I spoke to her for about 10 minutes and was told I was just what they needed, my skills were perfect, and to report to training on Monday.
I went on to become an operations manager, then a sales manager and eventually a district manager for a very large firm.
I no longer work there, but that experience has brought me success in later positions, continuing to today.

True story.

God is # 1
7/20/2004 8:02:39 PM EDT
[#33]
JESUS has RISEN!!!!!   He ain't in the Sand like Mohamad???   ALL knees will bow when our LORD sets foot on Earth again !! Satan is the author of confusion . satan wants mankind to suffer and hurt each other . satan wants to steal the happiness out of your life !! He cannot effect our MASTER so he preys on the ones who are weak or confused . Don't make the same mistake I did for so long.........Don't wait to realize satan wants you to hate , disbelieve , become selfish and volnurable.  Thank our LORD for everything you do for  3 days. Go somewhere alone if your ashamed and Pray to him and see and feel his presence.       WHEN they hung our MASTER on the CROSS he did not say I hate you for doing this to me ..        He did not say I will get even .        He said   " Forgive them Father they know not what they do"    SATAN had Me confused now I pray ceaseless.       Anyone is welcome to believe what they choose .  That is your born rights !! It says in the KING JAMES bible among others that  HE (LORD) thinks of us more times a day than the grains of sand in the desserts!  How can he pour his blessings out on someone who does not even acknowledge HIM??  Does not ask him to bless them.  Hates him for what Satan whispers is the Lords fault .    Tells you not to believe this message you are reading!!    THINK About it . Do something good and see and feel.    
7/21/2004 2:49:36 AM EDT
[#34]

Quoted:
My family comes first.

Yes, FIRST.

That won't change until and unless HE makes a direct physical appearance to me and proves beyond any possible doubt that my priorities are screwed up.

God...which of the several hundred versions do you mean, anyway?  Not the version followed by those radical muslims,  I hope!


CJ




The fundamental point is that if my relationship with Yahweh, my Heavenly Father, is not right it will affect all other relationships.

Being in tune with Him enables me to be a proper husband and father.

Also, the First Commandment tells us to have no other gods before Him.  The principle goes beyond concepts of Buddha, Zeus, etc.  It means that we are to put nothing above Him.  

Fundamentally , worship can be defined as a declaration of what you value the most.  For a reality check, take a look at your daily schedule and your checkbook to see where you direct the bulk of your resources.  Ouch!
7/21/2004 3:23:36 AM EDT
[#35]

Quoted:
Is #1

Family  is #2

Country is #3

That is all.





AGreed 100%.


ANd the nice thing is...if I put God at #1 always the rest always seem to fall in line just fine...


SGtar15
7/21/2004 3:26:19 AM EDT
[#36]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Suspect: God told him to do it

By Jeanne Houck, Post staff reporter

Police say a man who stole hotdogs and orange juice from a Kroger store in Fort Mitchell before leading officers from four departments on a bizarre car chase through the parking lot claimed he was acting on orders from God.

''What he said was, God told him to go to a white neighborhood and cause trouble,'' said Fort Mitchell Police Sgt. Tom Loos. The man is African American.



You're kidding right? You come to a gunfight armed with this squirtgun??





I'm not here to fight, just to point out that God tests His children's faith in various, and sometimes odd, ways.  Imagine the faith it took for this man to execute God's instructions.




The differance is you quoted man...not God.


SGtar15
7/21/2004 3:29:04 AM EDT
[#37]

Quoted:

Your absolutley right. He kills babies, allows millions to suffer incredible pain and hardship, et' al.

Lately, it has been incredibly hard for me to believe any gods exist, or over existed.




Man kills babies and you blame God for that?   WHen you cathc a criminal doing a crime do you blame someone else for their act also?


SGtar15
7/21/2004 3:31:31 AM EDT
[#38]

Quoted:


Does God talk directly to you?




Yes, it is called praying.


Do you talk directly to God? If you talk directly to God, does God answer you? Does God every directly tell you to do things or give you exclusive information?




Yes, it is called meditation.



Those that do not listen do not hear.


SGtar15
7/21/2004 3:33:42 AM EDT
[#39]

So I prayed.

God did answer me.

Now here is where you'll have to follow close.

God said to me, you cannot reap what you have not sown.
Go BUY a paper.

Look in the classified and call the first add that catches your attention.
Apply.
You will be hired and succeed at that job.



SO you had an idea...you tested this idea...and you are able to duplicate these tests.


How very scientific!!


SGt(cause&effect)ar15
7/21/2004 3:35:20 AM EDT
[#40]

Quoted:
Is #1

Family  is #2

Country is #3

That is all.




yup, i totaly agree
7/21/2004 4:19:37 AM EDT
[#41]

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Quoted:

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Suspect: God told him to do it

By Jeanne Houck, Post staff reporter

Police say a man who stole hotdogs and orange juice from a Kroger store in Fort Mitchell before leading officers from four departments on a bizarre car chase through the parking lot claimed he was acting on orders from God.

''What he said was, God told him to go to a white neighborhood and cause trouble,'' said Fort Mitchell Police Sgt. Tom Loos. The man is African American.



You're kidding right? You come to a gunfight armed with this squirtgun??





I'm not here to fight, just to point out that God tests His children's faith in various, and sometimes odd, ways.  Imagine the faith it took for this man to execute God's instructions.




The differance is you quoted man...not God.


SGtar15



Huh?  Of course I did, God didn't talk to me, He talked to the guy in the story.