Posted: 7/20/2004 11:08:13 AM EDT
| I'm in CA so of course I would never, ever do anything illegal, but hypothetically, if I was to carry when jogging, what is the best way to do so? I'm talking about something small like a Beretta Tomcat .32 or maybe a little bigger. When running, it seems to print pretty badly when worn in-waist front or back. It would swing around pretty wildly if placed in pocket and I obviously can't use something on my ankle. I also have way too much pride to start wearing a fanny pack. Any other ideas? I live in a safe city but usually jog late at night after work when it is nice and cool. Anyways, thanks for any ideas. |
Fannypack with a moderatly heavy firearm will slap you in the nuts. I can always spot the persons packin a piece when they wear a fanny pack and jogging; they have one hand on the fanny pack Get a decent "tactical" belt with a good quality iwb and a baggy t-shirt. This info only to be used if you have a ccw as carrying concealed w/out a permit in ka is a misdameanor. If you're gonna pack, don't forget your surefire, cellphone, folder, oc spray, rottweiler/pitbull/akita/poodle trained on human blood etc 
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The best concealment device for active people is by far "thunderwear". It is like a fanny pack but it hides in the front of your groin inside your pants. It won't swing when you run and it is a very deep concealment. I use thunderware daily as my concealment as it can be worn with swim trunks with no shirt all the way to a business suit. |
Speaking of clips, has anybody personally used one of those clipdraw attachments that are secured to the slide of the gun? I forgot about those until reading this. Also, what is "smart carry", I've never heard of it. Thanks again. |
Google can be your friend!!  It appears to be the same as thunderware, the holster I use: www.smartcarry.com/ |
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I asked the same thing here a while back and came up with no satisfactory answer. Here is the thread: www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=235928 When jogging I just carry my clip on Kershaw "Blackout"; it is sharp as hell and rides well on my waistband; I have to keep checking to make sure it is still there.  Edit to make link live. |
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I figure I may as well go public... I've carried concealed without a "permit" for several years (in California too). I am old enough to understand the penalties I may incure if it were found out by someone who felt duty-bound to take it through the system. I also have a small family and have that to consider also. My first argument is that under many states' laws I have seen, one has the right to carry if they have a reasonable fear of immediate danger, or something like that. Without going into my argument, I will say that I truly believe I have that reasonable fear especially with children in my charge. Here's what I've tried over the years... Glock 30 - IWB Galco, homemade "thunderwear/smartcarry", civilian sports fannypack with a "hidden" outside rear zipper, Cen-Tec kydex IWB. KelTec P11 - KelTec clip, homemade tw/sc, fannypack, ActionDirect elastic waistband, plain pocket, and UncleMike's pocket holster, DeSantis or Galco IWB (can't remember which one it was). Ruger SP101 - Galco IWB, homemade tw/sc, ActionDirect elastic waistband, fannypack, Bianchi Molded belt holster for out in the woods. North American Arms Guardian .32 - plain pocket, UncleMike's pocket holster, homemade molded leather pocket holster, fannypack, ActionDirect elastic waistband. Smith&Wesson 642 Airweight .38Spl. - UncleMike's pocket holster, homemade tw/sc, ActionDirect elastic waistband, Galco IWB, DeSantis pancake, fannypack. I have an UncleMike's shoulder holster system I just got to see what a shoulder system might feel like. I also have an UncleMike's ankle holster that I try on every once-in-a-while. I purchased a "Thunderwear" from Gall's for way cheaper than Thunderwear advertises. I think it's a cheap knockoff, although I've never seen a real Thunderwear other than in ads and on their website. I need to take my three mockups and this one from Gall's and make my own "Improved" version. The TW/SC type "deepconcealment" holsters are actually one of my favorite ways to carry (I now have a CCW and am working on the "multi-state" tactic of several other CCW's), and with the right belt/waistband/shirt combination, they are very easy to draw from. As far as the problem of "shooting myself in the nuts", as some folks claim might happen, I have never had that problem and during practice haven't come across anything other than incorrect finger placement that would cause the gun to go off. The pancake style holster are becoming a favorite way to carry as is the fannypack. I also recently acquired a Tommy's GunPack medium size that isn't all black. I added colorful zipperpulls like the newer Lowe/Kelty/Mountainsmith gear has, to make it more "civilian" looking. The only problem with actual "gun" fannypacks is that they LOOK like gun-fannypacks to me. I have no idea how many LEO's, non-gun enthusiast civilians, criminals know what one looks like, but I can spot one very easily. Especially if it has the two BIG buckles on either side. To answer your question... IMHO The smallest handgun I would carry now is a .38spl (not sure what I'll due with the NAA...it's a "cute" gun afterall ).The Keltec is a really nice handgun except for the trigger - both size and pull (for my hands that is). For a small/light gun, a belt clip would work for jogging (not running? you must be pretty old...I didn't think anyone "jogged" since the '70s ), as would the thunderwear and fannypack.Getting bigger than the Keltec P11...I would ditch the fannypack for carry IF you found it bounced around too much. I don't really like the DirectAction elastic bellyband much. Perhaps the Bianchi or other brands would be better? The bellyband I have would work, except that with most of my smaller handguns, the barrel sticks out the bottom. It conceals pretty good. You could get inventive and make yourself a pocket holster for a specific pair of running shorts that included a "legband" of elastic that exited the pocket on both sides of the holster and wrapped around your leg. Which ever you choose, you probably know that you really need to practice drawing from it. Do this from a standing position as well as crouching and lying down on different sides. You have to think about the type of animal that might attack you and what position you may find yourself in. DEFINITELY get yourself some A-Zoom or other brand SnapCaps to practice your draw/fire/reload from. Practice drawing, aiming and possibly firing while moving to cover. Identify your danger zones along your running path, as well as your safety zones. I also carry the Kershaw Onion and sometimes a small canister of pepperspray. Something else... I have bought and read every book on concealed carry I could find. The ones that tell you "how-to", as well as the ones that cover the legal/moral issues. I have also watched several videos on concealed carry with mixed results. The one investment in my CCW education that I can't get enough of is Massad Ayoob's, "Judicious Use of Deadly Force". I watch that over and over again especially when I find I don't have anything to do or if I happen to be folding laundry or something tedious and mindless like that. Great information on that tape! I think it really pays to educate yourself as much as possible whether you carry with a permit or not. just thought of something else... you could get a pair of those "compression shorts" (I like to use those " s) and sew in your own waist band/elastic or neoprene holster, and wear a pair of the larger/baggier running/sports shorts to cover. If you find that your shirt prints the handgun too much, you might need a larger size and darker color or add stripes, etc. I truly believe if a person is self-concious about carrying, they will notice any slight printing that the general public (LEO's included) might miss. Wear a singlet under a dark t-shirt. Get creative, there is a way to carry protection without letting folks know. Be sure you can get to it when you need it though. A fannypack is only good if it is in front where you can access the compartment the gun is in. Also, I have long believed that there could be a time when I would hand over my fannypack to an armed crook. With that in mind, I try not to carry in a fannypack very often. The fannypack usually helps hide any creases/bulges from the grip when I'm carrying with a Thunderwear type holster. |
