Posted: 7/19/2004 7:38:38 AM EDT
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I have two Remington 870's in 20Ga. both side eject BUT I prefer bottom eject like the Ithaca 37's. Bottom eject keeps dirt and rain out of the action and the recieve is stronger because you only have one opeing, at the bottom instead of two cuts in the reciever. If I could trade my 870's for 37's straight across I'd do it in a heart beat.
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I don't like having to turn the gun upside down to see if it's loaded, and I don't like having two cases going through the same space at the same time. And I like being able to see/feel into the chamber, and use my fingers if necessary to clear a jam, all of which is easier w/ a side port. Further, the remington 870 is the world's best utility/hunting/defense shotgun of all time, bar none, and it happens to have a side port. Therefore, I'm pretty sure I prefer side ejection. Edit: Stronger reciever? Gimme a break! They're shotguns, not antitank weapons or pry-bars! And if keeping dirt and rain out of the action was necessary on an 870, mine weren't informed. I've put 870's through stuff (rain, dirt, sand, clay, mud of all kinds) that would make most anything cringe, and never had a minute's trouble from them. P.S. early-season teal and goose hunting are the absolute best tests of a shotgun. You get to wade and crawl through mud and water to sneak up on geese and whatnot, and shotguns get crammed FULL of crap...but 870's keep working. The only time an 870 has ever failed me, I had been using one to bust 2" thick ice so I could retrieve a duck without tearing my waders in 5-degree weather. The action got full of water, naturally, and it instantly froze. Another duck came over, and when I tried to load/fire, everything was too froze to move, which was fine, because there was no way I was busting any more ice to retrieve another duck after almost going in over my waders (yes, in 5-degree water) after the first one. |
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Side. My primary defensive shotguns are 870s, which don't come in a "bottom-eject" flavor. Beyond that, in a high stress situation (combat, defense, CQB) I don't need anything else to increase the chance I might slip & fall.  I'm sure I would appreciate the vesatility of bottom-ejection if I were a Southpaw, but I'm not. |
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First off, although I voted FOR bottom ejection, I don't-yet-own one. A guy I used to hunt with had an Ithaca model 37 and it was, quite possibly, the funtionally best and smoothest shotgun I ever experienced. That includes another friend's model 12 Winchester. I get distracted by things flying out of a gun next to my face-I cannot stand semi-auto shotguns for this reason. The bolt and the spent hull moving right by to my eye bugs me. Two of the 3 shotguns I own are pumps with side ejection. I accept them, enjoy them and have no plans to replace them. But I STILL have my eye on one of those Ithacas. 
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| I LONG wanted a Browning BPS as my first pumpgun. It is a bottom eject gun, and a VERY good one. However, I wound up with a Remington 870Express (I was 18, the $$ difference MATTERED). My next gun was a Beretta A390ST, which convinced me that I will always keep a high quality semi-auto around. The pump is optional. I LIKE bottom eject, but in reality it is so rare that I don't look for it. Other features are more important. Fit being one of them. |
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The 37 rocks for lefties and for right handed shooting.- It takes no longer to view the chamber because you still have to pull the SG out of its shooting position to view the chamber either way. I have 2 37's- the 60's model will slam fire if you hold the trigger down- cool but probably a little dangerous. They have never let me down but kick a little more than the 870. J |
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Remington made a bunch of bottom load and eject models in the early 1900's. Model 10 was one. I have a Model 29 ( made 1930-1933). These are great sporting shotguns. For a tactical shotgun I'd take a model 870 or Win. 1300 anyday. The design of having them load and eject through the same port I think makes them much more complex (timing of events is more critical). I don't think you could make my Mod. 29 today and have it compete in price with the other offerings out there. I own the Mod. 29 because it was my great uncles duck gun and it is a fine example of the pre-war gunmakers art. Kent |
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Where's the "both" option? I've shot both and really like the 37 as a whole. It's light and handles well. I like the look down the barrel more than an 870. I'd take one for a hunting/clay shooting gun any day. The empties hit the edge of my wrist, which geta annoying after a few boxes of shells. However, I think I have to give the nod to the side ejection and the 870 specifically for these reasons:
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