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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:30:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:But there was a reason. Loose lips sink ships. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:30:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 2. Did you consent to the entry? Oh, big counter to consent, in the first video, after securing pants, I direct them all to leave my room immediately. There was no doubt I did not want those representatives in my room. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:31:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just trying to be honest here instead of being a dick if you're that sleep deprived maybe now isn't the best time for this thread. Without a bit of preamble to give us context this is going to get drawn out into a mess of a thread. Because of that I have to ask why even tell them you "had" a gun that you left somewhere? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Was there any mention of guns at check in by any party ? Was there any mention of guns during any interaction with staff or other guests prior to 11pm ? No and No. None whatsoever. I'm really curious what got them sniffing toward me. I honestly have no idea. And why did I mention it? I had conversations at the con that I had participated in Byte The Bullet, an outing with the local FBI field office that involved shooting. I have no idea who overheard or why or how they knew me if that happened. Just trying to be honest here instead of being a dick if you're that sleep deprived maybe now isn't the best time for this thread. Without a bit of preamble to give us context this is going to get drawn out into a mess of a thread. Because of that I have to ask why even tell them you "had" a gun that you left somewhere? Yes. You say no conversations where guns mentioned before 11pm visit. Yet you also mention saying you had a gun but left it elsewhere ? |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:32:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He stated he had gone shooting earlier in the day and he left his gun there. He did not tell them he had a gun. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yeah. OP, if you told him you had a gun and their policy is all guns checked at desk, then you are at fault here. I don't like or approve of their policy, but it is private property and their rules apply. He stated he had gone shooting earlier in the day and he left his gun there. He did not tell them he had a gun. Yeah, was kind of retarded when the manager said..........."oh, you meant what you said when you spoke proper english. I am a retard and made my own assumptions based off of my jackassery" |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:33:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That sucks, we don’t have those problems here in TX. I go to Vegas pretty often, I have carried my LCP II there with no issues. Up in OK I’ve been known to carry a G19 to the casinos there. Either way it’s unacceptable for you to be intimidated like that Even as federal LEO here in OK I won't carry in a casino here. Indian land is something I don't mess with. Granted, you need one on you when you leave the casino and walk to your car but I'm not about to get caught in that trick bag. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:33:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No and No. None whatsoever. I'm really curious what got them sniffing toward me. I honestly have no idea. And why did I mention it? I had conversations at the con that I had participated in Byte The Bullet, an outing with the local FBI field office that involved shooting. I have no idea who overheard or why or how they knew me if that happened. When I checked in to the Paris in Vegas they brought up my name on the reservations screen and knew damn near everything there was to know about me. Where I gambled over the years, how much gambling I do, casinos I've been to in other states and Canada, and I wouldn't doubt what I do for a living. They then comped my wife and I a suite for the week. Vegas casinos run their business by knowing who has money. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:34:12 AM EDT
[#7]
Well, Las Vegas was never at the top of my list but is now completely off. I'll gamble in fucking Tunica before I visit Vegas.
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:34:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh, big counter to consent, in the first video, after securing pants, I direct them all to leave my room immediately. There was no doubt I did not want those representatives in my room. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 2. Did you consent to the entry? Oh, big counter to consent, in the first video, after securing pants, I direct them all to leave my room immediately. There was no doubt I did not want those representatives in my room. So all the "SRT" guys are "private security?" Any indications, other than the obvious, that they're off duty cops and/or using duty gear, or in communications with "on duty" cops during this? |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:34:56 AM EDT
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Did the door have a deadbolt? I wonder what would have happened if you ignored the goons and never answered.
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:35:13 AM EDT
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Well I guess it has been a learning curve ?
Knock knock. Look through peephole. "Can I help you". Apply chain. "We need to enter and search for your gun." "I do not have a gun. I am going back to bed. Goodnight." Larpers join in. "Are you police officers ?" "Well then, goodnight". Then - you would discover why they picked you. Random check - unlikely to bust door down. Intel - bust door down or call police. Either way - would look great on film ! |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:36:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it illegal to posses a firearm in a hotel room in Nevada? Or is it against policy? That was quite the patch and uniform that SRT guy was wearing. HSLD operator. Its legal even if the policy is "no firearm" If you get caught with a firearm, they can eject you for trespassing if indeed their policy is no firearms on the premise. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:36:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did the door have a deadbolt? I wonder what would have happened if you ignored the goons and never answered. There's nothing you can do to stop them from entering, you don't think they don't have a way to bypass everything that's on the door on hand? Now if you brought some kind of lock out that's different. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:37:24 AM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Me and @shelbyguns got kicked out of the Circus Circus a few years ago for having firearms. Damn. That's like getting kicked out of walmart. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:37:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So all the "SRT" guys are "private security?" Any indications, other than the obvious, that they're off duty cops and/or using duty gear, or in communications with "on duty" cops during this? Only after I opened the door, showing them my hands did I realize they were all mall cops and not actually POST-certified LEO. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:37:42 AM EDT
[#15]
What the fucking fuck.
I’d say you were incredibly polite. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:38:47 AM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Politicians, Corporations and Law Enforcement are coalescing into a monolithic entity purely out for the interests of the state, state power and retention of state power in the hands of the few; with the oppression of the masses as their primary tool. Well put/said Sir . To the point . With a frugality of words . Salute . gd |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:38:56 AM EDT
[#17]
 A Las Vegas hotel searched my bags and took my gun |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:39:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Only after I opened the door, showing them my hands did I realize they were all mall cops and not actually POST-certified LEO. To bad you forgot that in your original post: "angry cop". |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:40:35 AM EDT
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You mentioned other videos that you have not shown ?
Anything said there to indicate their reason for picking you out of 2916 rooms ? |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:40:50 AM EDT
[#20]
The fucking outrageous.
Some "anonymous tip" suspends/supersedes your 4A rights? Not digging that one bit, OP. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:40:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're joking right? Why would you tell armed security anything about you working with firearms when they wake you up to search your room in the middle of the night. You're joking, right? Sounds like they use weapons professionally, could be a perfect market. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:40:56 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What the fucking fuck. I’d say you were incredibly polite. You're too kind. Did I invite a half dozen men to forcefully copulate with themselves? Yes, yes I did. Did I instruct at least one, probably more to "eat a dick"? Yes, I did that as well. Did I have the Captain of Security repeat "Go fuck myself"? I have to say that is true. Am I proud of that? Was that my finest hour? Would I tell my mother I did that? Well, solid Yes to all of the above. If you heard it and I'm talking, then I said it. I stand by my statements. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:41:07 AM EDT
[#23]
Fucking Gestapo…
I would have called the real police and let them tell those douche nozzles the have no legal authority to search my room. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:42:22 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You mentioned other videos that you have not shown ? Anything said there to indicate their reason for picking you out of 2916 rooms ? Nope. Couldn't get any of that out of them. Mostly the other vids are playing fuck fuck games with the front desk and again telling the security goons to go fuck themselves. Using more polished and respectable language as the lobby had people in it. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:42:41 AM EDT
[#25]
That’s kind of funny because if someone knocks on my hotel room door at that time of night I have a gun in my hand when I open the door.
My normal response is we are not going to have a problem are we. They usually take their drunk ass on their way when they see it. I’m not made for this fucked up new world. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:42:53 AM EDT
[#26]
I was not aware that hotels could prohibit firearms in the room. I was under the impression that hotel rooms had the same legal protections as ones home.
I am fairly certain that hotels are bound by both state and federal laws regarding these things due to being engaged in interstate commerce. Perhaps I am mistaken but I would guess that this is just Vegas being Vegas and pretending that they can do whatever they want and that no one has taken them to court yet. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:43:07 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Definitely in on page one of many. Also, "EAT A DICK!" will be my response when confronted by square badge security going forward. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:43:19 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They refused to say what brought them to my room. I inquired. All I told them was that I had no gun, but I was a weapons manufacturer. They searched my room and left. Hopefully fucking themselves in the interim between leaving my room and my arriving to the front desk. And I'm not ignoring questions. I'm now trying to handle a half dozen different avenues of questions on zero sleep at the moment. You got cucked. The only way to keep them from clicking again, is to lawyer up. Fuck with them. Cuck them. The Asian Security guy in the hall videoing had a weapons bag at his feet. I bet that’s not allowed either. Never answer the door. Make them use force. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:44:12 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Their business their rules? 
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:45:42 AM EDT
[#30]
adding to muh joke:
how can you tell if a pilot, engineer or 07/SOT enters the room? |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:46:09 AM EDT
[#31]
“How could people like the Nazis ever have existed?”… lols
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:47:35 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted:And "we the people" just keep letting them do it. Would you have "we the people" do anything more to the Paris Hotel other than take our business elsewhere? I'm sure there's another hotel in 'Vegas other than Paris. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:47:38 AM EDT
[#33]
Well whatever it was that led to the 11pm visit ( and there was something - it was not random ) you have pretty much fucked any chance you had of any future visits to Vegas with concealed meaning concealed.
Hotels talk to each other. They keep databases. You are most certainly on the radar now ! Edit - with that in mind - Was there any incident on previous visits ? Did you ever check a firearm into hotel security on a previous visit ? Did you pay with a business credit card that identifies your firearms business ? |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:48:37 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: adding to muh joke: how can you tell if a pilot, engineer or 07/SOT enters the room? Fuck, got me there. I thought it was easier than just whipping out my dongus and letting them see the "Remove Before Flight" tag hanging from my grounding lug to let 'em know that I wasn't one of the droids they were looking for. Well, you live and you learn. . . |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:48:52 AM EDT
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A good friend of mine works in casino surveillance. They are separate from security. He tells me they watch the check in's at the hotel side of the property and can pretty much tell who the guys are bringing guns with them because their cameras are able to zoom in and read the time on your watch from the moment you park your car in the lot. Most goobers have their gun brand stickers on their pelican cases screaming out that they have firearms to the world as well. They don't care about it unless you are going full out Showboat Sammy to everyone that you are packing. If you are walking around and it's obvious that people around you can see that you are packing they will notify security.
The insurance companies for these corporations decides the rules. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:48:54 AM EDT
[#36]
For those talking about checks with zeros and legal recourse, forget it.
OP most likely agreed to allow this in the agreement when he checked in. I know it’s fun to make fun of the SRT, but I bet they’re highly trained. Do people not realize how much money is in that casino? |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:49:39 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I told him I'm a weapon's manufacturer. I'm a SOT. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What's he talking about you told him you had a gun? I told him I'm a weapon's manufacturer. I'm a SOT. Legal or not, hostiles are afoot everywhere. Don’t tell perceivably friendly strangers anything. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:49:51 AM EDT
[#38]
I like your style
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:50:42 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I know it’s fun to make fun of the SRT, but I bet they’re highly trained. Didn't see one dog with doggles there. And as long as they were trained to go fuck themselves, I can support that. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:50:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:What if you refused them? They threatened that if you made a move you’d be put in cuffs. What legal authority do they have to do that? That's a hell of a straw man. 
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:52:08 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I like your style We should hang out. Come out to the coast, we'll get together, have a few laughs |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:52:09 AM EDT
[#42]
Loose lips sink ships.
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:52:38 AM EDT
[#43]
Other than that, how was defcon?
 Judging by InfoSec Twitter it was a leftist pit, but that’s Twitter… |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:53:42 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When faced with armed people you can either leave, cooperate, or resist and get police called. Note to self, any "not recognized armed hotel security" knocks at my door after I'm asleep, call 911 and report armed people in your hotel and you think your life is at risk  Sorry OP, that's fucked up. If they're going to wake me up, I'm going to metaphorically pull the fucking fire alarm for the whole fucking hotel. Interesting how you've been checked in for what, 4-5 days, and now they're "asking you" at 1100PM? I really think a lawsuit is in order; damages are disturbing your sleep, increased heart palpitations, escalating blood pressure, forced underwear exposure, and forced to violate your "curse jar rules" and losses of several hundreds of curse-word dollars! ROCK6 |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:54:30 AM EDT
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James Reeves from TFB TV did a video about all of the tyranny happening with Vegas hotels. It’s on his b channel. Worth a watch. I’m not going there anytime soon. They searched his bags when he gave them to the bell hop. Unbelievable bullshit.
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:55:11 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a hell of a straw man. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:What if you refused them? They threatened that if you made a move you’d be put in cuffs. What legal authority do they have to do that? That's a hell of a straw man. If, after they tell you to open a safe, do not touch any gun inside - you touch the gun, I would be amazed if you were not put in cuffs ! |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:56:24 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted:They refused to say what brought them to my room. Loose lips sink ships. You had to have said something to someone you don't know who relayed the information to authorities. I'm assuming it was during the conference. At DefCon registration do they still ask for your hotel name? Possibly not as it took them awhile to track you down. If they see something during check-in they would have addressed it right there. If it was because the maid found something they would have rousted you during business hours and if you weren't home, they would have left a nice letter in your suite inviting you to visit the manager's office. What other likely causes are there? |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:56:30 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If, after they tell you to open a safe, do not touch any gun inside - you touch the gun, I would be amazed if you were not put in cuffs ! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted:What if you refused them? They threatened that if you made a move you’d be put in cuffs. What legal authority do they have to do that? That's a hell of a straw man. If, after they tell you to open a safe, do not touch any gun inside - you touch the gun, I would be amazed if you were not put in cuffs ! After that response I would tell them to open the safe, I would bet they had the master key on them. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:56:35 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We should hang out. Come out to the coast, we'll get together, have a few laughs Yippie ki yay motherfucker |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 9:56:38 AM EDT
[#50]
Did you try saying something like “you are mistaken, I do not have a gun in my room” at the start?
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