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7/14/2004 7:45:53 AM EDT
Bought a new stainless Makers Mark grill from Sams this spring, and it has been working like a champ.  Went through the first bottle of gas in a few weeks time period.  Took it to be refilled, and got less than 3 hours of operation out of the second tank full.  I was just going to put it in the truck to have it filled again when I noticed that it wasn't empty.  You can still feel the liquid sloshing around inside the tank, but no gas comes out when you open the valve.  What the heck is going on here?

7/14/2004 7:48:22 AM EDT
[#1]
overfilled?

When lighting - turn on gas at bottle THEN the adjusters-  if the burner adjusters are "on" when you turn on the tank-no gas will flow

at least thats what mine does
7/14/2004 7:49:12 AM EDT
[#2]
Sounds like a stuck or blocked valve. It should have no liquid in it if its empty.
7/14/2004 7:53:00 AM EDT
[#3]
I think the new propane tanks have a safety valve built in to stop the flow of gas if the rate is too high (busted hose). Mine came with instrutions to open the valve slowly and only about a quarter turn.
7/14/2004 7:55:29 AM EDT
[#4]
on mine whit the "new" BS valve does what i described above---also when you turnon the tank, i hear a noticable "click"- it ususally works if i hear it.  if i have a burner on and then open the tank it does not work
7/14/2004 7:58:39 AM EDT
[#5]
I have the bottle disconnected from the regulator on the grill right now.  When I open the valve on the bottle, should gas come out of it?  I was thinking that a regulator may have to be screwed in before it would let any gas out.  I stuck a screw driver in there trying to feel for something that pushed in to open the flow, but nothing physically moved.  That has me thinking that gas should flow if the top valve knob is opened.  Am I wrong?

I despise doing the Blue Rhino trade out program at $20 a pop, but may have to go that route this time in order to get a fresh bottle.  Just have to be careful not to get one of their tanks that has the proprietary refill system built into it.  Otherwise, you won't be able to get it refilled anywhere else for $9 a pop like I normally do.  
7/14/2004 7:59:58 AM EDT
[#6]
Check with TXRedNec as he is the 'King of the Hill aka Hank' when it comes to propane!

You mean you are supposed to turn the gas off?

BigDozer66
7/14/2004 8:01:16 AM EDT
[#7]
Did you try clearing the tank with a 1/4 lb of Tannerite?
7/14/2004 8:03:18 AM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
Did you try clearing the tank with a 1/4 lb of Tannerite?



Not yet.  That is plan B.
7/14/2004 8:11:01 AM EDT
[#9]
The new tanks wont release gas unless there is a fitting in place. This is to keep it from leaking out or causing an explosion if the valve should be opened while not connected.

Your welcome.
7/14/2004 8:13:09 AM EDT
[#10]
M856 tracer does an excellent job of emptying propane tanks.
7/14/2004 8:17:56 AM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
M856 tracer does an excellent job of emptying propane tanks.



Just so happens, I took in on trade 840 rounds of LC tracers not too long ago.  Old as dirt, but still in the original brown boxes. Could be wrong, but don't believe they are re-manufactured.  I'll have to incorporate a round or two into plan B mentioned above.    (If they will still even trace that is.)
7/14/2004 8:19:16 AM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
The new tanks wont release gas unless there is a fitting in place. This is to keep it from leaking out or causing an explosion if the valve should be opened while not connected.

Your welcome.



Well the damn thing should let gas out when attached to the grill then.  I always just turn the bottle on, then use the grill controls from that point on.  Kinda whizzed me off this weekend when I had to cook a ribeye on the George Foreman electric grill.  
7/14/2004 5:18:13 PM EDT
[#13]
Speaking of propane tanks, how many PSI of air pressure will a 20 pound tank take?  I have a bunch with the old valves (shop won't fill them) and I was wondering if they'd be good for use in conjunction with an air compressor?
7/14/2004 5:25:06 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
Speaking of propane tanks, how many PSI of air pressure will a 20 pound tank take?  I have a bunch with the old valves (shop won't fill them) and I was wondering if they'd be good for use in conjunction with an air compressor?



operating pressure for propane is about 200psi, they work great for air tanks but don't scrap them just because they have old valves, they can be replaced with new valves and recertified
7/14/2004 5:26:47 PM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:
Bought a new stainless Makers Mark grill from Sams this spring, and it has been working like a champ.  Went through the first bottle of gas in a few weeks time period.  Took it to be refilled, and got less than 3 hours of operation out of the second tank full.  I was just going to put it in the truck to have it filled again when I noticed that it wasn't empty.  You can still feel the liquid sloshing around inside the tank, but no gas comes out when you open the valve.  What the heck is going on here?




new valves will have a check seal in them where they are only supposed to let out gas when there is a fitting attatched to the valve.  if theres liquid sloshing in the tank it has gas in it.  check and make sure the connection is tight.  if that doesnt work the float MIGHT be stuck in the tank, take the sonofabitch and shake it a little bit, that usually does the trick.
7/14/2004 5:29:20 PM EDT
[#16]
any other propane related questions will have to wait until tomorrow, my wife says its time to get off the computer
7/14/2004 5:31:21 PM EDT
[#17]
Does it have a 'reserve' in it?? I thought I saw a model that would run almost dry, but left you a reserve in case you didn't fill the tank before your big bbq extrvaganza-polooza.
7/14/2004 5:39:52 PM EDT
[#18]
Thanks Tex!  Is re-valving and recertifying a tank worth it when compared to the cost of a new 20 pound tank?  I'm almost tempted to get a 100 pound tank.
7/14/2004 5:52:32 PM EDT
[#19]
Two things to try--

1 Sometimes the float in the tank gets stuck. Disconnect the tank and bang the bottom of the tank  on the ground a couple of times . Hard --but not so hard you dent it.

2 The valve can become vapor locked. Disconnect the tank and with the valve closed open the small bleeder screw on the side then reconnect it and try again.
7/14/2004 5:54:24 PM EDT
[#20]
thank you uncle gubnimint for these new damn valves
7/14/2004 6:49:07 PM EDT
[#21]
Thanks fellas.  I'll shake the piss out of it, drop if off the roof, loosen the bleeder screw for a sec., and if that doesn't do the trick I'll trade it in on another one.  Good info.  Didn't realize they had float valves in them.
7/14/2004 8:13:10 PM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:
I have the bottle disconnected from the regulator on the grill right now.  When I open the valve on the bottle, should gas come out of it?  I was thinking that a regulator may have to be screwed in before it would let any gas out.  I stuck a screw driver in there trying to feel for something that pushed in to open the flow, but nothing physically moved.  That has me thinking that gas should flow if the top valve knob is opened.  Am I wrong?

I despise doing the Blue Rhino trade out program at $20 a pop, but may have to go that route this time in order to get a fresh bottle.  Just have to be careful not to get one of their tanks that has the proprietary refill system built into it.  Otherwise, you won't be able to get it refilled anywhere else for $9 a pop like I normally do.  



Local Wally-World does a blue rhino exchange fo like $13

Exchanged my old style valve tanks for new type with no charge!

Tall Shadow
7/14/2004 8:19:30 PM EDT
[#23]
Sure it wasn't working?

My grill needs a good 15 seconds for the gas regulator to pressurize, else it barely runs.

So I turn on the bottle, wait,,,,,wait,,,,,,wait and then turn on the burners
7/15/2004 6:18:26 AM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:
Does it have a 'reserve' in it?? I thought I saw a model that would run almost dry, but left you a reserve in case you didn't fill the tank before your big bbq extrvaganza-polooza.



nope, no reserve tanks that i've ever seen, just buy a second tank!
7/15/2004 6:20:19 AM EDT
[#25]

Quoted:
Thanks Tex!  Is re-valving and recertifying a tank worth it when compared to the cost of a new 20 pound tank?  I'm almost tempted to get a 100 pound tank.



we charge 17.50 + tax for a new 20# valve and recertifying, worth it if your tank still looks good, if not sams club should have brand new 20#ers for about $30

100#s are nice, and exempt from the  bullshit OPD valve, should cost you about $100-$125 for one of those
7/15/2004 6:22:12 AM EDT
[#26]

Quoted:
thank you uncle gubnimint for these new damn valves



theres a loophole

the new POS OPD valves don't put out enough gas for pear burners or cutting torches..........if the bottle is being used for a propane cutting torch we can fill the old valves

 
7/15/2004 6:24:44 AM EDT
[#27]
Hey Tx,

Can you lay those 100#ers on their side?  I was thinkng if going that route, and placing it under the deck where it would be out of sight.  Just need a longer hose to get to it.  Talk about a bitch to take it for a refill though.  :(
7/15/2004 6:30:47 AM EDT
[#28]
Had the same thing happen, ended up buying a new tank and did not know what to do with a faulty nearly full tank.  I stored it in my garage for about two years and just for kicks got it out and hooked it up to my grill, worked like a champ.  
7/15/2004 7:16:41 AM EDT
[#29]

Quoted:
Hey Tx,

Can you lay those 100#ers on their side?  I was thinkng if going that route, and placing it under the deck where it would be out of sight.  Just need a longer hose to get to it.  Talk about a bitch to take it for a refill though.  :(



absolutely not, propane tanks must always be upright unless the application is specifically for running on propane liquid (i.e. forklifts et. al.).  bbq pits and fryers and all normal applications run on propane vapor.