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Posted: 5/26/2022 9:23:01 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/26/2022 9:24:16 AM EDT
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My 2000 Ex has seat heaters.Dont be such a cheap ass prick.
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Posted: 5/26/2022 9:24:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: B.I.L. had a 7.3 that was pushing 800 h.p. with a Suncoast trans. Of course it was a turd in it's stock setup. My stock Duramax would drag 7.3's even when they had tunes or propane injection. |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 9:26:02 AM EDT
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Glow plugs, gross
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Posted: 5/26/2022 9:27:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My two 7.3s with over 300 disagree. They may suck for super cold due to being oil fired/heui injectors, but outside of that nope. Now 6.0 I can get behind Both my OBS are fine at zero weather without assistance when I'm working in the salted frozen wasteland that is PA. |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 9:28:02 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/26/2022 9:28:04 AM EDT
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They were pretty bitchin for their time. I had one in the last millennium. Then common rail came along and HEUI had to ride off into the sunset in a 6.0 coffin…..
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Posted: 5/26/2022 9:28:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are cold blooded and have a lot of small issues. A GM pickup with a 6.0 gas is a much better option. IMO none of the late 90s early 2000s diesel pickups are very good. Make shit power and aren't as reliable as people remember. LBZ with Allison is where it gets good. Lol in gm gas engines….once they shit the cam and afm lifters. |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 9:34:56 AM EDT
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I got behind one the other day, and couldn't believe how much noise it made for how sluggishly it was moving.
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Posted: 5/26/2022 9:51:17 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/26/2022 9:55:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I got behind one the other day, and couldn't believe how much noise it made for how sluggishly it was moving. I have a 7.3 in a E350 4x4 conversion. The E350 lacks the F series firewall so you get a ton of noise through the dog house. It settles down at 65-70mph but at certain speeds and throttle its insane how loud it is vs a new vehicle. I'd still rather have it vs the 5.9. |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 9:57:07 AM EDT
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Sold mine recently. Good truck, but didnt blow me away. Also, plans that needed to tow and haul never came to fruition, so it was me commuting to work in a CCLB 4x4. Was a waste.
$220 Diesel bill per tank can lick my ass Also, the truck only has a 13,500 gooseneck/5th wheel rating. A modern F250 with the 6.2 is rated that low. If I ever need to tow heavy in the future, Ill get a 7.3 Godzilla F250 and commute on my Sportster. |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 9:59:29 AM EDT
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OP is correct. The pre common rail Cummins is the shit. Built like a tank and easy to turn up the power.
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Posted: 5/26/2022 10:16:10 AM EDT
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If you had driven an IDI 6.9 or 7.3, you would appreciate the powerstroke more, lol.
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Posted: 5/26/2022 10:25:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol in gm gas engines….once they shit the cam and afm lifters. The GM 6.0 did not have AFM, nor direct injection. The 6.0 GM Vortec was a tank for a gas engine |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 10:27:39 AM EDT
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 Failed To Load Title I sold mine when I went to Wyoming, My work parking lot did not have a plug in location and I had to do 3 hail Mary's and a prayer of thank to get it to start during the winter. |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 10:33:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 7.3 IDI  Yeah, that thing makes a 7.3 Powerstroke look like a drag racer. I think if you dug a hole in the backyard of the house we lived in 1970s-early 80s, you'd find one little ash layer from Mount St Helens, and a bigass layer of soot from a 7.3 International. |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 10:40:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At least they don't go into simp mode if you don't put pee in the tank. And that'll be $8000 dollars for your regen system and cat going bad....................sorry, juuuuust out of warranty. We have a new 6.7l that only has 30k and I swear that thing spends more time at Ford than it does at our shop. Every time I drive it there’s some DEF fault or something threatening to send it into limp mode and Ford can never figure it out. If it were mine I’d have scrapped all that trash by now. |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 10:52:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Naa, it's not just the powerstroke that sucks. It's all V8 diesels in general. They suck for low end torque and sound like absolute shit. I drove a duramax with a 6 speed for a while at work. You had to slip/burn the clutch every time you had a load on it just try try and get thing thing moving in first gear. And that is after stalling it a couple times. There is a reason you pretty much never see then with a manual trans. No low end torque. The cummins we had, did not matter what you had it loaded down with. 1st gear, pull out like normal. TORQUE. Inline for the best time! There is a reason the inline 6 is in so many semi trucks. Lol, you never see them with a manual because they have to be detuned so as not to wreck the inferior manual trans. |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 11:05:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seat warmer here never a cold cheek. ETA. Big V here. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/470307/0F4AE515-015C-4D8C-9E99-E6A941F61486_jpe-2397521.JPG 4,400 HP is what GE had for output on their locos even in the 1990s, and that continues through today*. GM/EMD has locomotives that produce 5,000 and even 6,000 HP*. As far as I know, neither of those locomotives use the Cummins as their powerplant. GE locomotives with 4,400 HP: C44-9W, ES44DC, C44AC/AC44400CW/AC4400EV/CW44AC, ES44AC, ES44C4, ET44C4 EMD loco's with 5,000 HP: SD80MAC EMD loco's with 6,000 HP: SD90MAC And whoever makes the C60/C60AC gets 6,000 HP. |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 11:16:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You’re wrong When I picked it up in Scottsdale I was the fourth owner. It had been goose-neck modified to haul horses, with a straight pipe and no muffler -- it sounded like a WWII trainer plane and was anemic as hell climbing in Utah (empty) with hella gasping turbo surge. Off to a diesel shop. I had the guy install a cold air box filter, regulated fuel return, 4-inch pipes with muffler, a Quick-Spooling SumBitch (QSSB) turbo, and a live-tuned DP Tuner chip. For a big truck it gets just at 20 miles per gallon (doing hand math) in the Rockies, but less at sea level (around ~17 with a heavy foot on long freeway travel). While not a new, quiet diesel it has no cat, and no re-gen / DEF. It requires plugging in when temps drop below freezing (Park City, Utah for five years). It can do 90-95 miles an hour like a rental, but generally cruises at 75-80. It's still fun to drive and just clicked past 275,000. I want a new Dodge 1500 with 5.7 Hemi and e-torque, but new off the lot they're generally four times what I paid for the 7.3. Did you know there was a 7.3 diesel drag racer? Four-turbo 7.3 diesel drag race car 
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Posted: 5/26/2022 11:19:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a 7.3 in a E350 4x4 conversion. The E350 lacks the F series firewall so you get a ton of noise through the dog house. It settles down at 65-70mph but at certain speeds and throttle its insane how loud it is vs a new vehicle. I'd still rather have it vs the 5.9. Hell fellow econoline enthusiast. You have the quiegly conversion? |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 11:28:11 AM EDT
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Have a 2000 7.3 almost reaching 300k with nothing but normal maintenance. Yeah it's low in power and mileage compared to engines 20 years later. Gotta remember it was out when gas engines including the V10 were getting 10 - 15mpg. When I bought the Ford a friend had a new Dodge diesel and couldn't believe how quest my Ford was compared to his inside. He sold it and bought a Ford. Looking at a 20 year old truck through the lens of being 20 years later. Like looking at a 1980X in the year 2000 and talking about it was bad.
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Posted: 5/26/2022 11:51:18 AM EDT
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Had 3 Cummins trucks and two with egr and def systems. I’ve never had any problems on any of them. New 6.7 high output I have with the aisin trans is just ridiculous the amount of power it has. And that trans is bullet proof and shift very smooth after a few k miles.
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Posted: 5/26/2022 12:08:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Had 3 Cummins trucks and two with wheels and def systems. I’ve never had any problems on any of them. New 6.7 high output I have with the aisin trans is just ridiculous the amount of power it has. And that trans is bullet proof and shift very smooth after a few k miles. I wish I had the Aisin transmission. My ‘08 6.7 has the 68rfe. The Aisin is only available in the 1-ton trucks, right? 0 issues with my 6.7 Cummins, but it is super low mileage. |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 12:48:18 PM EDT
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I bought mine in February 2000. I added an Air-Aid intake, Hypertech Power Programmer, remote dual oil filters, and a 4" Magnaflow exhaust. The only thing I have ever had to do was replace the starter 5 years ago.
Drove up the west coast in 2020 and did a coast-to-coast 27 state trip last summer pully the kid's car and gear to CT for school. No problems except having to recharge the AC in Missouri.     2020 Trip  2021 Trip  Several friends have newer diesels and every one has had problems with all of the emissions BS. |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 12:53:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hell fellow econoline enthusiast. You have the quiegly conversion? The Quigley's have kind of a rep for bad road manners. I went with quadvan. It's almost all Ford parts, mostly F450. So my turn radius is fantastic. About equal with a 2wd f150 thanks to the 450 front axel. Also bigger brakes, which is muy bueno for taking an 8-11klb vehicle down a trail. |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 1:03:12 PM EDT
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What exactly is the point of shitting on a 30 year old diesel engine?
I'm happy with my 97' PSD but I understand what it is and it's limitations. |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 5:08:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They definitely didn’t have heated steering wheels…. How am I supposed to keep my hands warm after applying my moisturizer??  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Seat heaters was an option for them. They definitely didn’t have heated steering wheels…. How am I supposed to keep my hands warm after applying my moisturizer?? Have a friend with a 6.Oh No. |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 6:06:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wish I had the Aisin transmission. My ‘08 6.7 has the 68rfe. The Aisin is only available in the 1-ton trucks, right? 0 issues with my 6.7 Cummins, but it is super low mileage. Yeah aisin is only available on the 1ton and cab and chassis trucks. When I first got it shifting did feel a bit clunky but after the first month or so it’s smoothed out a ton. |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 9:21:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I bought mine in February 2000. I added an Air-Aid intake, Hypertech Power Programmer, remote dual oil filters, and a 4" Magnaflow exhaust. The only thing I have ever had to do was replace the starter 5 years ago. Drove up the west coast in 2020 and did a coast-to-coast 27 state trip last summer pully the kid's car and gear to CT for school. No problems except having to recharge the AC in Missouri. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/286099/20210813_112127-2397723.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/286099/20210724_100141-2397722.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/286099/20210819_104439-2397724.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/286099/20210821_153105-2397725.jpg 2020 Trip https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/286099/2020_Trip-2397719.png 2021 Trip https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/286099/2021_Trip-2397720.png Several friends have newer diesels and every one has had problems with all of the emissions BS. We have the same color! Very nice |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 9:24:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ha ha ha 21 years still going no cel no dpf no regen it may be slow but hasn’t stopped yet. How many trans/torque converters its had? |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 9:24:58 PM EDT
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We wore out our 7.3’s but our car 7.2 l’s atl have crazy miles/hours. Most of our F450/550’s and even our water trucks are 6.8 v10’s
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Posted: 5/26/2022 9:35:42 PM EDT
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OP, you are suffering from "shiny toy" syndrome. These shiny new trucks with 450hp and 1,000ft/lbs. of torque that practically drive themselves are really nice, but in '03 when I bought the F-350 in my avatar, it was pretty damn stout for a pickup. I bought it to tow a bunch of trailers and it did that job pretty well back then. True story: it still does. In fact, it tows the same trailers the same way it did 19 years ago.
So why is it a problem if the same truck does the same job exactly the same way today as it did before, and it did it well 19 years ago? I don't need a new truck yet, because this workhorse is still doing the job. 250hp and 525ft/lbs torque 
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Posted: 5/26/2022 10:19:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Naa, it's not just the powerstroke that sucks. It's all V8 diesels in general. They suck for low end torque and sound like absolute shit. I drove a duramax with a 6 speed for a while at work. You had to slip/burn the clutch every time you had a load on it just try try and get thing thing moving in first gear. And that is after stalling it a couple times. There is a reason you pretty much never see then with a manual trans. No low end torque. The cummins we had, did not matter what you had it loaded down with. 1st gear, pull out like normal. TORQUE. Inline for the best time! There is a reason the inline 6 is in so many semi trucks. I always thought the V-8 diesels had tons of torque. Never owned one, though. |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 10:22:05 PM EDT
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OP isn’t wrong…
7.3’s can get a ton of miles but the power is 1/4 od modern flavors. |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 11:16:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We have a new 6.7l that only has 30k and I swear that thing spends more time at Ford than it does at our shop. Every time I drive it there’s some DEF fault or something threatening to send it into limp mode and Ford can never figure it out. If it were mine I’d have scrapped all that trash by now. Two 2020 6.7l diesels at work had major failures in a week and that takes a third of our fleet out at our outpost. Both are getting new engines when they show up. |
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Posted: 5/27/2022 12:11:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you had driven an IDI 6.9 or 7.3, you would appreciate the powerstroke more, lol. Neither were world burners but very competent. Especially compared to their contemporary, the earth shattering, world moving gm 6.2 Detroit! (Not actually built by Detroit diesel, just built in Detroit). Feeding its whopping 145 slightly irritated, lame in one hoof, no turbo ponies through a turbo 400 (that's going to eat at least 30 of them) you'll go 0-55 eventually! Having a k2500 with the 6.2/400 combo getting into a 7.3 truck feels like a rocket, plus I'll take needing a cps in the glove box over snapping crankshafs, blown DPF, and limp mode. Heck even driving my current dodge 24v with its issues is better than that nonsense. |
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Posted: 5/27/2022 12:48:35 PM EDT
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Just clicked over 173k on mine. Creampuff ZF6, PHP programmer, otherwise stock. It just rattles and rumbles down the road. Its slow but I don't care.
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Posted: 5/27/2022 12:58:28 PM EDT
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Cummins plzzzzz
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Posted: 5/27/2022 2:02:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Neither were world burners but very competent. Especially compared to their contemporary, the earth shattering, world moving gm 6.2 Detroit! (Not actually built by Detroit diesel, just built in Detroit). Feeding its whopping 145 slightly irritated, lame in one hoof, no turbo ponies through a turbo 400 (that's going to eat at least 30 of them) you'll go 0-55 eventually! Having a k2500 with the 6.2/400 combo getting into a 7.3 truck feels like a rocket, plus I'll take needing a cps in the glove box over snapping crankshafs, blown DPF, and limp mode. Heck even driving my current dodge 24v with its issues is better than that nonsense. Who do you think made the 6.2/6.5 engines if not GM's subsidiary (at the time) Detroit Diesel? Seems to be something that is debated but I have never seen anything other than "Detroit Diesel designed and manufactured" when I look up the topic, but nothing definitive. They 100% designed it. GM gave up after their barely-an-attempt to design their own with the Olds 350 diesel boat anchors and tapped Detroit Diesel. The funny thing is, and probably part of why the engines are so anemic, is that the strong majority of Detroit's engines were 2-stroke. They had JUST made their FIRST 4-stroke with the 8.2L "Fuel Pincher" in 1979... and the 8.2 was a real turd, by about every metric. The updated 6.5 is still in production, AFAIK (by neither Detroit (now owned by Daimler) or GM). Made as the 6.5 Optimizer by General Engine Products, a division of AM General.. largely to support the Humvee. https://www.amgeneral.com/what-we-do/platforms-automotive-systems/automotive-components/#engines |
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Posted: 5/27/2022 4:11:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Neither were world burners but very competent. Especially compared to their contemporary, the earth shattering, world moving gm 6.2 Detroit! (Not actually built by Detroit diesel, just built in Detroit). Feeding its whopping 145 slightly irritated, lame in one hoof, no turbo ponies through a turbo 400 (that's going to eat at least 30 of them) you'll go 0-55 eventually! Having a k2500 with the 6.2/400 combo getting into a 7.3 truck feels like a rocket, plus I'll take needing a cps in the glove box over snapping crankshafs, blown DPF, and limp mode. Heck even driving my current dodge 24v with its issues is better than that nonsense. Didn't they make a 5.7, converted from an Olds 350, that was put in 1/2 ton trucks? I had a few friends in highschool that had trucks with a BOP 350 swapped in from a failed diesel engine. That may have been the 6.2, but it was a long time ago... |
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Posted: 5/27/2022 4:18:42 PM EDT
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I've been driving my '02 F250 with a 7.3 and ZF 6-speed stick for 5 years with only routine maintenance. Can't beat it for the price...I paid $6800 (not $68,000+)! After 250,000 miles, it's still going strong. I wouldn't say it 'sucks', at all.
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Posted: 5/27/2022 6:20:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who do you think made the 6.2/6.5 engines if not GM's subsidiary (at the time) Detroit Diesel? Seems to be something that is debated but I have never seen anything other than "Detroit Diesel designed and manufactured" when I look up the topic, but nothing definitive. They 100% designed it. GM gave up after their barely-an-attempt to design their own with the Olds 350 diesel boat anchors and tapped Detroit Diesel. The funny thing is, and probably part of why the engines are so anemic, is that the strong majority of Detroit's engines were 2-stroke. They had JUST made their FIRST 4-stroke with the 8.2L "Fuel Pincher" in 1979... and the 8.2 was a real turd, by about every metric. The updated 6.5 is still in production, AFAIK (by neither Detroit (now owned by Daimler) or GM). Made as the 6.5 Optimizer by General Engine Products, a division of AM General.. largely to support the Humvee. https://www.amgeneral.com/what-we-do/platforms-automotive-systems/automotive-components/#engines Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Neither were world burners but very competent. Especially compared to their contemporary, the earth shattering, world moving gm 6.2 Detroit! (Not actually built by Detroit diesel, just built in Detroit). Feeding its whopping 145 slightly irritated, lame in one hoof, no turbo ponies through a turbo 400 (that's going to eat at least 30 of them) you'll go 0-55 eventually! Having a k2500 with the 6.2/400 combo getting into a 7.3 truck feels like a rocket, plus I'll take needing a cps in the glove box over snapping crankshafs, blown DPF, and limp mode. Heck even driving my current dodge 24v with its issues is better than that nonsense. Who do you think made the 6.2/6.5 engines if not GM's subsidiary (at the time) Detroit Diesel? Seems to be something that is debated but I have never seen anything other than "Detroit Diesel designed and manufactured" when I look up the topic, but nothing definitive. They 100% designed it. GM gave up after their barely-an-attempt to design their own with the Olds 350 diesel boat anchors and tapped Detroit Diesel. The funny thing is, and probably part of why the engines are so anemic, is that the strong majority of Detroit's engines were 2-stroke. They had JUST made their FIRST 4-stroke with the 8.2L "Fuel Pincher" in 1979... and the 8.2 was a real turd, by about every metric. The updated 6.5 is still in production, AFAIK (by neither Detroit (now owned by Daimler) or GM). Made as the 6.5 Optimizer by General Engine Products, a division of AM General.. largely to support the Humvee. https://www.amgeneral.com/what-we-do/platforms-automotive-systems/automotive-components/#engines I'll concede my history may be imperfect but the fact gm had a peice of dd makes everything about the 6.2 worse. They had the 453t sitting right there and built the 6.2 instead. Yes I know there are reasons the 6.2 can make sense but it's still a gutless turd, not particularly durable, not great in the mileage area. It would make sense if they sacrificed say power for economy, or durability for cost, but it's kinda a loser at everything |
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Posted: 5/27/2022 8:39:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll concede my history may be imperfect but the fact gm had a peice of dd makes everything about the 6.2 worse. They had the 453t sitting right there and built the 6.2 instead. Yes I know there are reasons the 6.2 can make sense but it's still a gutless turd, not particularly durable, not great in the mileage area. It would make sense if they sacrificed say power for economy, or durability for cost, but it's kinda a loser at everything I couldn't imagine GM using the 4-53T. A 1300 pound, 2-stroke, four-banger.. with 175HP.. Detroit Diesel didn't have much that was practical to stuff in to a pickup truck post fuel crisis. The 6.2 didn't go far enough in the right places. So it became an immediate lame duck, pretty much. |
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Posted: 5/28/2022 1:08:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I couldn't imagine GM using the 4-53T. A 1300 pound, 2-stroke, four-banger.. with 175HP.. Detroit Diesel didn't have much that was practical to stuff in to a pickup truck post fuel crisis. The 6.2 didn't go far enough in the right places. So it became an immediate lame duck, pretty much. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'll concede my history may be imperfect but the fact gm had a peice of dd makes everything about the 6.2 worse. They had the 453t sitting right there and built the 6.2 instead. Yes I know there are reasons the 6.2 can make sense but it's still a gutless turd, not particularly durable, not great in the mileage area. It would make sense if they sacrificed say power for economy, or durability for cost, but it's kinda a loser at everything I couldn't imagine GM using the 4-53T. A 1300 pound, 2-stroke, four-banger.. with 175HP.. Detroit Diesel didn't have much that was practical to stuff in to a pickup truck post fuel crisis. The 6.2 didn't go far enough in the right places. So it became an immediate lame duck, pretty much. True, 453t wouldn't most likely be a crowd pleaser for the average consumer especially given in that era diesel was still a baby market for the light duty crowd. Then again given how much nicer a k2500 is to live with vs say a 1st gen dodge they mightve smashed the market. I bet the marine rating power isn't that far off 12v numbers. That power plant, with gm interior, th400 durability, ball chill vent, I can dream. More just to the thought that down the hallway they had a bullet proof, 4ish litre, long lasting design making 280~ftlb and managed to build the 6.2 instead. If they're Was a Detroit 2 stroke offering I can't imagine what the prices today would look like given what a clean 12v commands. |
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Posted: 5/28/2022 1:15:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I always thought the V-8 diesels had tons of torque. Never owned one, though. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Naa, it's not just the powerstroke that sucks. It's all V8 diesels in general. They suck for low end torque and sound like absolute shit. I drove a duramax with a 6 speed for a while at work. You had to slip/burn the clutch every time you had a load on it just try try and get thing thing moving in first gear. And that is after stalling it a couple times. There is a reason you pretty much never see then with a manual trans. No low end torque. The cummins we had, did not matter what you had it loaded down with. 1st gear, pull out like normal. TORQUE. Inline for the best time! There is a reason the inline 6 is in so many semi trucks. I always thought the V-8 diesels had tons of torque. Never owned one, though. Purely anecdotal, but watch semi tractor pulls, the I6s twist the frames noticeably more than the V8s and V12s. |
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Posted: 5/28/2022 1:27:41 AM EDT
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They might be slow, but they are reliable and will pull almost anything. I pulled a single wide trailer about 40 miles with mine one time.
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