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7/9/2004 9:01:28 AM EDT
Thinking about buying it. is it any good? iv heard it's the best.  I think im going to get a pilots liscense and figure its a good way to check it out.
7/9/2004 9:02:53 AM EDT
[#1]
No matter how much hardware you have, MSFS will demand more.

7/9/2004 9:16:12 AM EDT
[#2]
realllyyyy. I was kinda scared when i read the requirements. it says it only needs an 8 meg card and a 400 processor. it got me thinking it looks real shitty. Those are 1999 specs
I have a 2800 and a radeon 9800 with a gig of ram.  what do you think?
7/9/2004 9:16:38 AM EDT
[#3]

Thinking about buying it. is it any good? iv heard it's the best. I think im going to get a pilots liscense and figure its a good way to check it out.


It is a good program, a hardware hog, and can be valuable in learning flight procedures.
7/9/2004 9:19:07 AM EDT
[#4]

I have a 2800 and a radeon 9800 with a gig of ram. what do you think?


That will work fine.
7/9/2004 9:25:39 AM EDT
[#5]
oh, and the 2 GIG of space it wants of your HD
7/9/2004 9:29:16 AM EDT
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oh, and the 2 GIG of space it wants of your HD


ahh dont care about that i have about 500 gigs to spare. i just dont want to spend 80 bucks and be disappointed. the system specs are from 1999.
7/9/2004 9:30:00 AM EDT
[#7]
The only thing I have found it of use for is the instrument ticket, and even then only for procedural items.   Up until you solo, you'll be concentrating on basic aircaft control.   MSFS (or any other sim, really) is bad in this regard because without an instructor present, you are going to learn and then reinforce the bad habit of starting at the instruments and not looking outside enough.    Sure, the instruments are important, but the rule of thumb for VFR flight is to be looking outside at least 95% of the time.

If you want to use it as a training aid, my recommendation would be to go for an intro flight, and then ask your instructor what he/she thinks about it.    

If you want to just play it like any other game on a PC, go for it!


7/9/2004 9:31:37 AM EDT
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oh, and the 2 GIG of space it wants of your HD


ahh dont care about that i have about 500 gigs to spare. i just dont want to spend 80 bucks and be disappointed. the system specs are from 1999.




$80 for MSFS2004?

Mine was $29.99 at WalMart.
7/9/2004 9:41:13 AM EDT
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oh, and the 2 GIG of space it wants of your HD


ahh dont care about that i have about 500 gigs to spare. i just dont want to spend 80 bucks and be disappointed. the system specs are from 1999.




$80 for MSFS2004?

Mine was $29.99 at WalMart.



Damn why does everyone have wall marts by them. i cant get ammo or cheap games from wall mart  because there are none arround me. i think they are banned from the bay area of kali.
7/9/2004 9:43:33 AM EDT
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oh, and the 2 GIG of space it wants of your HD


ahh dont care about that i have about 500 gigs to spare. i just dont want to spend 80 bucks and be disappointed. the system specs are from 1999.



Minimum specs for graphics dialed down to near-wireframe levels...

At full-bore, it is quite impressive to say the least...

The 2002 version even had my local private-only airport (Timmerman Field) modeled, instead of just the big one (Mitchell Field) or worse, just Chicago airports like the old MSFS did...

When I was trying to start on my license, and using the Cessna CD-rom course, it was usefull as a way to 'see' what the book/CD were talking about (I was planning on doing the written first, then the practical)...
7/9/2004 9:44:02 AM EDT
[#11]

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The only thing I have found it of use for is the instrument ticket, and even then only for procedural items.   Up until you solo, you'll be concentrating on basic aircaft control.   MSFS (or any other sim, really) is bad in this regard because without an instructor present, you are going to learn and then reinforce the bad habit of starting at the instruments and not looking outside enough.    Sure, the instruments are important, but the rule of thumb for VFR flight is to be looking outside at least 95% of the time.

If you want to use it as a training aid, my recommendation would be to go for an intro flight, and then ask your instructor what he/she thinks about it.    

If you want to just play it like any other game on a PC, go for it!





thanks for the input. i've had some stick time a couple of flights on my uncle in laws planes. the school i am thinking about going to told me to get it and practice on it alot. but now that you mention it they probably meant after a few flights with an instructor. im sure its easier to teach someone who doesnt start with bad habbits.
thx
7/9/2004 9:44:21 AM EDT
[#12]

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oh, and the 2 GIG of space it wants of your HD


ahh dont care about that i have about 500 gigs to spare. i just dont want to spend 80 bucks and be disappointed. the system specs are from 1999.




$80 for MSFS2004?

Mine was $29.99 at WalMart.



Damn why does everyone have wall marts by them. i cant get ammo or cheap games from wall mart  because there are none arround me. i think they are banned from the bay area of kali.



It's the same price everywhere I have seen it....
7/9/2004 9:47:22 AM EDT
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oh, and the 2 GIG of space it wants of your HD


ahh dont care about that i have about 500 gigs to spare. i just dont want to spend 80 bucks and be disappointed. the system specs are from 1999.




$80 for MSFS2004?

Mine was $29.99 at WalMart.



Damn why does everyone have wall marts by them. i cant get ammo or cheap games from wall mart  because there are none arround me. i think they are banned from the bay area of kali.



It's the same price everywhere I have seen it....



yup they have it at ebgames for 29 now. the last time i looked it was 80. sweet
7/9/2004 10:13:37 AM EDT
[#14]
I'll back Chief on this one.  For instrument work and building a good instrument scan...Flight sim is awesome. I would recommend getting the USB yoke and pedals combo (for about 200 bucks on line) and that will also help with instrument coordinated turns (and cross control in crosswind landings).  It will enforce bad habits in a new pilot, such as instrument fixation, so use it with caution.

I had it all through private ticket and instrument ticket. For private...it helped with  the "look" of the runway on final...you know...too high...too low. But other than that...it was uneventfull. It really gets fun when you pipe it to a large screen tv, and shut all the lights out. Get up close, you can actually induce vertigo (spatial disorientation) if you rock back and forth a little bit. You see yourself pull back on the yoke and put too much rudder in...pretty soon your at right wing low, and 20 degrees downpitch....which you would rather do in the living room than at 5500 msl.

Good game overall...I run it on an old HP celeron 900 with 128 mb ram....sluggish to start...then great. Go get it...it's just as good as anything I've seen from Sporty's or John and Martha King.

Signed....

Kurt_700hrs in the air and still flyin_Austin (yes I know 700 ain't all that much...but gimme time)
7/9/2004 10:23:04 AM EDT
[#15]
Don't buy it! I have FS2002, and I didn't really like it all that much. E-mail or IM, and I'll send it to ya.



Going to work, but I'll check back when I get home.
7/9/2004 10:31:09 AM EDT
[#16]
Spend the money on some flight time in a one-filthy or a Tramahawk.

Get the books and start studying for the written.  Your flight instructor can sign you off for the written.

Step away from the computer and go learn to fly a real airplane.

BTW if you want to get hopelessly addicted, attend the Oshkosh flyin this summer.
7/9/2004 11:27:10 AM EDT
[#17]
I have FS9 (2004) now and I'm very impressed by it.  If you get some of the tweaked add-ons, it's not very far from photo-realistic.  Of course you have to have a UeberComputer to run all the settings at max.  Nothing like flying my P-3 Orion through the Cascade mountains to land at NAS Whidbey.
I used the original FS4 when I was getting my private ticket in Hawaii.  It was useful in reviewing the days lessons like coordinated turns, turns around a point, slowflight etc.  Just minimize the instruments for VFR flight.  Where it really shined was for the Cross country flights.  Especially the solos and the long one to an unknown airport.  I just flew them on the sim a few days before so in real life everything looked familiar.  A great help and it makes you feel much more comfortable.
For U$30 you can't go wrong.  Go to Flightsim.com and/or Google for lots of free add ons.



Fritz
7/9/2004 11:34:56 AM EDT
[#18]
I love it.  I had FS2002 and I just installed 2004 on my new machine.  I just wish I had more time to play. Well, I really wish I had ever more time and more money, so I could start taking actual flying lessons, but until then FS fits the bill .
7/9/2004 11:44:54 AM EDT
[#19]
Its ok. Flying instrument approaches in the shit will help you develop skills. Pure procedures are similar too, however, no amount of mouse clicking compares to the noise, smell, feel, and sight of a real aircraft.
7/9/2004 11:49:11 AM EDT
[#20]
The third party addons for it can be quite impressive too!



7/9/2004 2:57:50 PM EDT
[#21]
My local Best Buy has FS-2004 on sale through tomorrow for $24.99.
7/9/2004 3:05:24 PM EDT
[#22]
thanks guys. i went and picked it up for 14.99 used. they didnt have any new ones. Ill probably go out for real next weekend with my uncle inlaw.
7/9/2004 3:11:54 PM EDT
[#23]
The Air Force doesn't use a probe on it's C-130's.




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The third party addons for it can be quite impressive too!



7/10/2004 12:22:26 PM EDT
[#24]

The Air Force doesn't use a probe on it's C-130's.


Some of them do I saw a couple of pictures the other day of USAF c-130s with the probe, I will try to locate the picture