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Posted: 1/24/2022 5:18:04 PM EDT
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This is the only 7.62x51mm BREN
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Posted: 1/24/2022 5:20:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is the only 7.62x51mm BREN http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/57/Machine_Gun_%288037159644%29.jpg  |
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Posted: 1/24/2022 5:35:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well so is the Dragunov... lol... when they were new and with reallllly good ammo, maybe. |
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Posted: 1/24/2022 5:38:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Honestly, they could take any modern military style sporting rifle off the shelf and have a way better DMR than the SVD. True. But those rifles wouldn’t look as cool while wearing a track suit. |
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Posted: 1/24/2022 5:41:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No they won't... A NATO standing army is NOT going to adopt a new rifle that doesn't use NATO ammo...just they way it is... Now before you post that 6.5CR has been used within USSOCOM...spare me...I know...but special units play by diff rules... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: they are going to have regerts not going with the 6.5 Creedmoor. Or that 6mm ARC. No they won't... A NATO standing army is NOT going to adopt a new rifle that doesn't use NATO ammo...just they way it is... Now before you post that 6.5CR has been used within USSOCOM...spare me...I know...but special units play by diff rules... Probably this. Yes, 6.5 CM is the better round. Most of the time, it doesn't matter, and it's a specialty round not in the supply chain. The good news is that one can switch .308/6.5CM with a simple BBL swap. Same gun, bolt, mags, gas system, everything. So easy to do if change their minds either way. |
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Posted: 1/24/2022 5:46:03 PM EDT
[#6]
In before MAC and gun broker deciding the price.
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Posted: 1/24/2022 5:46:48 PM EDT
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No KAC or second choice LMT, no care.
is a SCAR 17H consider a DMR? No, but the 20 is. |
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Posted: 1/24/2022 5:47:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like Dan Wesson was the person whoring out those promises. They owe me Razorback for passing on deals waiting on their vapowear. |
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Posted: 1/24/2022 5:52:01 PM EDT
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Cool, it's like a budget SCAR
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Posted: 1/24/2022 6:46:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Any news on an issue DMR optic? 1-8x Nightforce |
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Posted: 1/24/2022 6:50:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice gun choice. POHR cartridge choice since is not like 7.62x51 isn't a legacy cartridge for them. Does NATO commonality really mean much when most of NATO's military strength is theoretical anyway? 1) Keep using antiquated rimmed cartridge that you only ever used in the first place because the dirty fucking Russians made you 2) transition to better cartridge that all of your allies use and which is much more widely available in more modern firearms and that you probably get better economies of scale on |
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Posted: 1/24/2022 6:55:44 PM EDT
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Siiiick.
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Posted: 1/24/2022 6:55:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty sure CZ has said from the get go on the BR that it was mil/leo only Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I was told by someone I would consider an industry insider that the CZ Bren 2 BR in .308 was going to be available in the states sometime in 2020. They kinda missed their target date then. Pretty sure CZ has said from the get go on the BR that it was mil/leo only They’ll sell to us exactly when they’re done fulfilling military orders. They had this in the pipeline and didn’t want to commit to a release date until the King’s Men get theirs. |
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Posted: 1/24/2022 7:04:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol... when they were new and with reallllly good ammo, maybe. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well so is the Dragunov... lol... when they were new and with reallllly good ammo, maybe. The prototypes were quite good, especially for the early 1960s, though still not up to current western standards. However, the rifling that achieved great accuracy with specialty ammo shot standard ammo terribly. So Soviets gonna Soviet and they changed the rifling to get decent DMR accuracy with specialty ammo, and at least doable performance with standards loads. |
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Posted: 1/24/2022 7:11:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1) Keep using antiquated rimmed cartridge that you only ever used in the first place because the dirty fucking Russians made you 2) transition to better cartridge that all of your allies use and which is much more widely available in more modern firearms and that you probably get better economies of scale on This also there was 7,62x51 version of vz.58 https://naboje.org/sites/default/files/styles/ndinfoservis-lightbox/public/ndinfoservisc/c1972.jpg?itok=oFn6cnhQ  For export obviously, but soviet occupation in 1968 put an and to it. |
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Posted: 1/24/2022 7:17:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Totally. Any minute now in fact. Because someone from the internet had told them so even.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAOGvzpX0VMQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: they are going to have regerts not going with the 6.5 Creedmoor. Or that 6mm ARC. Totally. Any minute now in fact. Because someone from the internet had told them so even. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAOGvzpX0VM9 Hole is one the best channels out there for this very reason. |
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Posted: 1/24/2022 7:25:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does this version of the Bren work better than the 7.62x39 version? I’ll never own another CZ product. |
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Posted: 1/24/2022 7:25:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well so is the Dragunov... Ehhhhh |
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Posted: 1/24/2022 7:32:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/24/2022 7:53:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: True. But those rifles wouldn’t look as cool while wearing a track suit. I can't argue that the SVD has the "looks cool in movies" thing locked down. |
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Posted: 1/24/2022 9:06:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder if anyone is going to start a group-buy program, complete with a list of reserved slots, for those potentially retired off SVD's... What could go wrong?  |
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Posted: 1/24/2022 9:08:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ll never own another CZ product. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Does this version of the Bren work better than the 7.62x39 version? I’ll never own another CZ product. With a name like that, it's got to be ruskies!!! |
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Posted: 1/24/2022 9:27:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ll never own another CZ product. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Does this version of the Bren work better than the 7.62x39 version? I’ll never own another CZ product. @AKSU @AeroEngineer what issues were there with the x39 version? 
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Posted: 1/24/2022 9:30:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No they won't... A NATO standing army is NOT going to adopt a new rifle that doesn't use NATO ammo...just they way it is... Now before you post that 6.5CR has been used within USSOCOM...spare me...I know...but special units play by diff rules... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: they are going to have regerts not going with the 6.5 Creedmoor. Or that 6mm ARC. No they won't... A NATO standing army is NOT going to adopt a new rifle that doesn't use NATO ammo...just they way it is... Now before you post that 6.5CR has been used within USSOCOM...spare me...I know...but special units play by diff rules... Price and availablity of ammo nowadays? pfffght. |
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Posted: 1/24/2022 10:12:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @AKSU @AeroEngineer what issues were there with the x39 version? @SBR_Slut https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/CZ-Bren-2/2-492469/ Well documented serious FTE issues and CZ customer service is non existent. Many upset owners and no fix. |
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Posted: 1/24/2022 10:13:49 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck that, I want a 7.62x51mm BREN. Lol yep |
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Posted: 1/24/2022 10:27:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @SBR_Slut https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/CZ-Bren-2/2-492469/ Well documented serious FTE issues and CZ customer service is non existent. Many upset owners and no fix. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: @AKSU @AeroEngineer what issues were there with the x39 version? @SBR_Slut https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/CZ-Bren-2/2-492469/ Well documented serious FTE issues and CZ customer service is non existent. Many upset owners and no fix. damn  I wonder if GIGN's are having FTE issues? |
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Posted: 1/24/2022 10:36:15 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The prototypes were quite good, especially for the early 1960s, though still not up to current western standards. However, the rifling that achieved great accuracy with specialty ammo shot standard ammo terribly. So Soviets gonna Soviet and they changed the rifling to get decent DMR accuracy with specialty ammo, and at least doable performance with standards loads. Yes but Americans who want to shoot Druganovs don't want to shoot specialty ammo, they want to shoot Dagestani surplus from 1938 |
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Posted: 1/24/2022 10:56:10 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @SBR_Slut https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/CZ-Bren-2/2-492469/ Well documented serious FTE issues and CZ customer service is non existent. Many upset owners and no fix. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: @AKSU @AeroEngineer what issues were there with the x39 version? @SBR_Slut https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/CZ-Bren-2/2-492469/ Well documented serious FTE issues and CZ customer service is non existent. Many upset owners and no fix. Bingo. |
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Posted: 1/24/2022 11:01:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 9 Hole is one the best channels out there for this very reason. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: they are going to have regerts not going with the 6.5 Creedmoor. Or that 6mm ARC. Totally. Any minute now in fact. Because someone from the internet had told them so even. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAOGvzpX0VM9 Hole is one the best channels out there for this very reason. And they did it using corroded NATO spec ammo even. Much. Regrets. Any. Minute. Now. |
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Posted: 1/24/2022 11:04:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: damn I wonder if GIGN's are having FTE issues? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: @AKSU @AeroEngineer what issues were there with the x39 version? @SBR_Slut https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/CZ-Bren-2/2-492469/ Well documented serious FTE issues and CZ customer service is non existent. Many upset owners and no fix. damn I wonder if GIGN's are having FTE issues? No, because the internals differ between the select fire varient, and the imported semi auto. There's been some speculation that these differences are the causes for some of the X39 guns having issues, but it's also been documented that not everyone who owns a X39 Bren 2 has experienced problems. I don't own a X39 Bren, but I would very much like to add a few once these issues have been ironed out. In the meantime, the 5.56 Brens have been awesome. Almost three years of ownership, and not a single issue to date. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 7:35:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Available only through Copper Custom for $8k. Put me on the list |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 8:48:58 AM EDT
[#33]
I would like a CZ Bren...
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Posted: 1/25/2022 8:59:51 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @SBR_Slut https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/CZ-Bren-2/2-492469/ Well documented serious FTE issues and CZ customer service is non existent. Many upset owners and no fix. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: @AKSU @AeroEngineer what issues were there with the x39 version? @SBR_Slut https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/CZ-Bren-2/2-492469/ Well documented serious FTE issues and CZ customer service is non existent. Many upset owners and no fix. Not being content with dropping the ball on the x39, CZ went & buried it. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 9:06:53 AM EDT
[#35]
I wonder how many SVDs they have.
Given their army is something like 30k, I'm thinking a thousand or two at most |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 9:11:41 AM EDT
[#36]
A surplus SVD would be nice to have.
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Posted: 1/25/2022 9:17:51 AM EDT
[#37]
Geez, how much would you guys even pay for a shot out, or clapped out in the newspeak, for a beat to shit former service DM rifle?
Is it for aesthetics and the chase to own one finally or what? Genuinely curious because I helped a friend's Ishevsk SVD for $14,000, his Tigr for 10,000, and his Norinco NDM-86 for $8,000. I was like, what the heck? I had converted him to the AR15. He bought a KAC for himself, an LMT for his wife, a T-2 and a TA31 for the rifles, two Sandman cans, and pissed the rest away in ammo, mags, and night vision
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Posted: 1/25/2022 11:49:24 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Honestly, they could take any modern military style sporting rifle off the shelf and have a way better DMR than the SVD. 
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Posted: 1/25/2022 11:51:54 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No, because the internals differ between the select fire varient, and the imported semi auto. There's been some speculation that these differences are the causes for some of the X39 guns having issues, but it's also been documented that not everyone who owns a X39 Bren 2 has experienced problems. I don't own a X39 Bren, but I would very much like to add a few once these issues have been ironed out. In the meantime, the 5.56 Brens have been awesome. Almost three years of ownership, and not a single issue to date. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: @AKSU @AeroEngineer what issues were there with the x39 version? @SBR_Slut https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/CZ-Bren-2/2-492469/ Well documented serious FTE issues and CZ customer service is non existent. Many upset owners and no fix. damn I wonder if GIGN's are having FTE issues? No, because the internals differ between the select fire varient, and the imported semi auto. There's been some speculation that these differences are the causes for some of the X39 guns having issues, but it's also been documented that not everyone who owns a X39 Bren 2 has experienced problems. I don't own a X39 Bren, but I would very much like to add a few once these issues have been ironed out. In the meantime, the 5.56 Brens have been awesome. Almost three years of ownership, and not a single issue to date. The poor engineers trying to figure out what's causing the issue I'd love a short x39 Bren2 - a pipe dream 
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Posted: 1/25/2022 11:52:53 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One of My grail gun. The Dragonov not the Bren |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 11:56:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They’ll go for the low price of $7k+ and we won’t see any x54 ammo for years. I think PSAs new ammo division is going to be making x54 along with others... |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:05:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My grail gun. The Dragonov not the Bren I fucked up and did not buy one when it was cheaper.
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:08:34 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder if anyone is going to start a group-buy program, complete with a list of reserved slots, for those potentially retired off SVD's... What could go wrong? |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:08:53 PM EDT
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No imports any time soon, don't hold your breath
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:12:10 PM EDT
[#45]
Will these SVDs be available exclusively through Copper Custom?
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Posted: 1/25/2022 4:21:54 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Geez, how much would you guys even pay for a shot out, or clapped out in the newspeak, for a beat to shit former service DM rifle? Is it for aesthetics and the chase to own one finally or what? Genuinely curious because I helped a friend's Ishevsk SVD for $14,000, his Tigr for 10,000, and his Norinco NDM-86 for $8,000. I was like, what the heck? I had converted him to the AR15. He bought a KAC for himself, an LMT for his wife, a T-2 and a TA31 for the rifles, two Sandman cans, and pissed the rest away in ammo, mags, and night vision Noice. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 4:26:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty sure CZ has said from the get go on the BR that it was mil/leo only UN battlefield pickup, then?   TC |
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