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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:24:24 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One dude dead, another in prison and drama queen is out sucking somebody else's dick tonight. There's a fool made every minute, and a Pretty Girl with a blowjob gets most of those fools started right back down that rocky road of heartache & financial ruin again and again and again and again ... ... ... |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:24:49 PM EDT
[#2]
Was there a single adult in the mix here? I mean everyone is focusing on the two assholes colliding that both made poor decisions, but Jesus the woman filming was nearly as bad. She didn't scream, hollar, flinch, or anything when her man was shot and killed right in front of her. She didn't try to render aid, check on him, or anything. What. The. Fuck.
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:25:14 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m in Amarillo. I haven’t heard anything about this. Did he shoot him in the foot first? Looked like a “warning shot”. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:25:51 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What's he supposed to do? Give him a second chance to make good on his threat to take his gun from him and use it on him? "Everybody takes a beating once in a while." I swear these guys would have fried Rittenhouse |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:26:33 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And this is how you end up in prison for murder. 30 minutes max jury deliberation and guilty of 1st degree murder (or as appropriate). |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:26:33 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What's he supposed to do? Give him a second chance to make good on his threat to take his gun from him and use it on him? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The part where he disengages, steps away, then shoots him didn't have that "Kyle clean" look to it...... What's he supposed to do? Give him a second chance to make good on his threat to take his gun from him and use it on him? I'm not saying that, I'm just saying it doesn't have that squeaky clean glow that all three of Kyle's shootings had. Optics matter. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:26:42 PM EDT
[#7]
Despite what we see on the video, which could be assholes collide and shooter should maybe be in jail or there’s a long trail of threats and this was the straw that broke the camels back - only the involved parties know (at this point).
The reality is - it all depends on local/ state law. Vid also doesn’t take into account what, if any, previous history they had or any threats there were. There’s always more to it than just the video (which if released, always shows bias to one side). Not familiar with TX laws, but some strong castle doctrine/ stand your ground/ brandishing/ property laws could very well justify the shooting. Refraining from opinion until more is known, but kinda looking forward to maybe another epic thread in the same vein as the alley mattress, KR and the jogger. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:27:02 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: On the one hand, Shooter escalated an ordinary argument by unnecessarily bringing a gun into the situation. Dead guy tried to call his bluff. Shooter wasn’t bluffing. Shooter is a murderer. On the other hand, Shooter told dead guy to get off his property. He didn’t, so shooter brought out a gun. Shooter didn’t point it at dead guy till dead guy got a little physical. Shooter then shoots dead guy. I’m actually gonna go with shooter on this one. Get the fuck off my property and sue me later if you want. But get the fuck off my property when you are uninvited or become uninvited. And definitely don’t touch me on my property when I’ve told you to leave my property. I reserve the right to change my stance as more information becomes available. I can get behind this. Everyone in that video was acting like an asshole, but if you’re told to leave my property then you’re leaving. Now with that said the warning shot to the foot was pure bullshit and most likely to screw him of charges are brought. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:27:21 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: after her husband was shot, why isn't she running to help him, but instead keeps arguing like some trailer trash  You answered your own question. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:27:46 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Does the dead guy try to take the rifle away from him? Hmmmmmm There was no need to escalate to getting a rifle because someone won't leave your front yard. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:27:50 PM EDT
[#11]
I have to wonder how much more to this story there is that we haven't heard about.
Possibly such things as the dead guy having made threats to the shooter in the past? Which could explain why the shooter went and got the rifle. Also, I won't be surprised if we are seeing an edited version of the video that was released by the wife. Who knows what was possibly edited off of the video prior to the portion that she released? |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:28:01 PM EDT
[#12]
My wife's ex was a flaming idiot like that.
Ran his mouth every time he picked up there son. Finally got tired of it and did the exchange at the Police Department.....that pretty much shut his pie hole. Then he just abandoned his son when he was around 7 or so...never called or anything. I always stayed out of the arguments, had my phone ready and let my wife handle it. If I thought it was going to go sideways I had a plan to just dial 911 and stay defensive. He has since passed away and his son barely shed a tear...kinda sad, but the father made that bed. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:28:10 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like a good shoot. The shooter appeared to be in fear for his life and the "victim" stood in his path of retreat back into his residence. I don't see how this could have played out any differently. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:28:15 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Despite what we see on the video, which could be assholes collide and shooter should maybe be in jail or there’s a long trail of threats and this was the straw that broke the camels back - only the involved parties know (at this point). The reality is - it all depends on local/ state law. Vid also doesn’t take into account what, if any, previous history they had or any threats there were. There’s always more to it than just the video (which if released, always shows bias to one side). Not familiar with TX laws, but some strong castle doctrine/ stand your ground/ brandishing/ property laws could very well justify the shooting. Refraining from opinion until more is known, but kinda looking forward to maybe another epic thread in the same vein as the alley mattress, KR and the jogger. Good point about TX laws. They are kind of odd down there. What did ever happen with the alley mattress shooting? |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:28:26 PM EDT
[#15]
. . . and happiness was Lubbock, Texas in my rearview mirror . . .
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:28:29 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That was murder. No excuses at all. He needs prison in the worst way. Didn’t look nearly that clear cut to me. DRT said he was going to take the gun from him, advanced on him, tried to take gun away from him, ignored a warning shot and advanced again. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:28:33 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I actually can't believe this thread so far. In my time here this place has been full of "get off my lawn" types that will argue felony brandishing and deadly force against trespassers is completely within their rights. Then we see it play out on video and they instantly cuck themselves and side with the dead guy. I can't believe there is a person dead over a stupid custody argument .........no need to bring a gun and escalate the situation men have pride and I'm sure there are some very hard feelings between the ex's ,just really stupid thing to happen . |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:28:40 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like a good shoot. The shooter appeared to be in fear for his life and the "victim" stood in his path of retreat back into his residence. I don't see how this could have played out any differently. Are you joking ? He didn't need to come out to threaten the guy, the guy wasn't threatening anyone harm and it sounds like his child was being kept from him against the courts order. I don't know if that is true but that is what it appears to be. Regardless if he had a problem he could have called the cops not bring a longarm out to intimidate the guy and shoot him from a distance. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:29:03 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like a good shoot. The shooter appeared to be in fear for his life and the "victim" stood in his path of retreat back into his residence. I don't see how this could have played out any differently. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:29:48 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dead guy FAFOd. Best not to FA when the other guy has a gun. This is why you have cops present during child exchanges. I don't see how that is possible with as many child exchanges happen. Will they generally come out if you ask ? |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:30:11 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd have to watch it again but he didn't go for the gun until he was almost shot in the foot it looked to me. There was no need to escalate to getting a rifle because someone won't leave your front yard. Need? Debatable. Legal? Yes. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:30:16 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The whole part where he goes into the house specifically to retrieve it, is where the shooter made the wrong call. Bringing the gun back out, after initially walking away from the argument... Enjoy prison. But, the point where he told Mr Bullet Sponge to leave and he didn't kinda comes into play. I have a real hard time feeling bad for leaky McAsshole |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:30:23 PM EDT
[#23]
He told the dude to get off his property. Fucked up situation but I'll always side with the property owner
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:30:55 PM EDT
[#24]
No humans involved. Having a hard time dredging up some care for anyone but the kid.
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:31:02 PM EDT
[#25]
Looks like a good shoot to me. Dead guy was raging on someone else's private property. Refused to leave private property and then wanted to fight the guy holding the gun.
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:31:26 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Good point about TX laws. They are kind of odd down there. What did ever happen with the alley mattress shooting? Odd? You spelled good wrong. Their trial is delayed yet again, the coronascam backlog continues. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:32:08 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You have no evidence of that. Also, not adhering to custody order is not kidnapping. I think we've learned that from all the other threads where judges have basically called it disobeying court orders. It is not, however, kidnapping. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They kidnapped his kid. You have no evidence of that. Also, not adhering to custody order is not kidnapping. I think we've learned that from all the other threads where judges have basically called it disobeying court orders. It is not, however, kidnapping. I have no evidence that it really happened. It could all be an act and a fake news story but if he was there to pick up the kid during his legally assigned tone and they were blocking him then they were 1000% in the wrong. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:32:20 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m in Amarillo. I haven’t heard anything about this. Did he shoot him in the foot first? Reason they are not black people being shot and dying. Random white people domestic. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:32:31 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But, the point where he told Mr Bullet Sponge to leave and he didn't kinda comes into play. I have a real hard time feeling bad for leaky McAsshole Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The whole part where he goes into the house specifically to retrieve it, is where the shooter made the wrong call. Bringing the gun back out, after initially walking away from the argument... Enjoy prison. But, the point where he told Mr Bullet Sponge to leave and he didn't kinda comes into play. I have a real hard time feeling bad for leaky McAsshole I don't know how it works in Texas, but I don't think me retrieving a gun and going back outside would fly. Lock the door behind himself when he went back in, grabbed gun and waited for police sure. Let lead fly if the guy tries to force entry? Probably. Take gun back outside, I think I'd be in trouble. Texas might be different. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:32:36 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Video from another angle here https://www.everythinglubbock.com/news/local-news/kyle-carruth-attorney-makes-case-for-self-defense-after-deadly-shooting-of-chad-read/ |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:32:50 PM EDT
[#31]
Enjoy prison, dumbass.
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:32:55 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn I knew this place was full of democrats but had no idea it was this bad. Dead guy tried to take his gun. Good shoot. All you commies need to go back to California. A reasonable person could come to the opposite option. I suggest you take time and read this. click |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:33:13 PM EDT
[#33]
Boy they sure showed each other
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:33:32 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And dead guy re re escalated by putting his hands on him. I’m allowed to hold a gun on my porch, even if people are arguing. That bold part |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:33:51 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Does he have a right to be there even after being told to leave? Does the shooter have the right to tell him to leave? Is it his property? When shooter brought out the gun could dead guy have gone and sat in his car and called the police? Is dead guy’s kid better off now knowing his dad wouldn’t back down even when confronted by an angry armed man with apparently plenty of opportunity to de-escalate himself and walk away? Did dead guy escalate further by getting physical with shooter? Is it reasonable to think dead guy should deescalate when shooter arguably escalated by bringing a gun into the situation? Do we “invite the man into our life” now? Arfcom is full of so many interesting contradictions. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: On the one hand, Shooter escalated an ordinary argument by unnecessarily bringing a gun into the situation. Dead guy tried to call his bluff. Shooter wasn’t bluffing. Shooter is a murderer. On the other hand, Shooter told dead guy to get off his property. He didn’t, so shooter brought out a gun. Shooter didn’t point it at dead guy till dead guy got a little physical. Shooter then shoots dead guy. I’m actually gonna go with shooter on this one. Get the fuck off my property and sue me later if you want. But get the fuck off my property when you are uninvited or become uninvited. Did dead guy further escalate by getting physical with shooter? And definitely don’t touch me on my property when I’ve told you to leave my property. I reserve the right to change my stance as more information becomes available. What if you were there to pick up your kid and the shooter wouldn’t let you? ETA, was the kid even there? Does he have a right to be there even after being told to leave? Does the shooter have the right to tell him to leave? Is it his property? When shooter brought out the gun could dead guy have gone and sat in his car and called the police? Is dead guy’s kid better off now knowing his dad wouldn’t back down even when confronted by an angry armed man with apparently plenty of opportunity to de-escalate himself and walk away? Did dead guy escalate further by getting physical with shooter? Is it reasonable to think dead guy should deescalate when shooter arguably escalated by bringing a gun into the situation? Do we “invite the man into our life” now? Arfcom is full of so many interesting contradictions. Nobody has a right to kidnap his kid and then shoot him. Their felony trumps any possible trespassing on the lawn. Assuming the child story is true, that is murder. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:34:23 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd have to watch it again but he didn't go for the gun until he was almost shot in the foot it looked to me. There was no need to escalate to getting a rifle because someone won't leave your front yard. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Does the dead guy try to take the rifle away from him? Hmmmmmm There was no need to escalate to getting a rifle because someone won't leave your front yard. Agreed, and he shot him from a slight distance after retreating. It did not appear that the guy was charging him when shot. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:34:33 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bad shoot. FPNI again |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:35:54 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know how it works in Texas, but I don't think me retrieving a gun and going back outside would fly. Lock the door behind himself when he went back in, grabbed gun and waited for police sure. Let lead fly if the guy tries to force entry? Probably. Take gun back outside, I think I'd be in trouble. Texas might be different. It is, this is a free state. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:36:30 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Need? Debatable. Legal? Yes. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'd have to watch it again but he didn't go for the gun until he was almost shot in the foot it looked to me. There was no need to escalate to getting a rifle because someone won't leave your front yard. Need? Debatable. Legal? Yes. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:36:31 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Good point about TX laws. They are kind of odd down there. What did ever happen with the alley mattress shooting? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Despite what we see on the video, which could be assholes collide and shooter should maybe be in jail or there’s a long trail of threats and this was the straw that broke the camels back - only the involved parties know (at this point). The reality is - it all depends on local/ state law. Vid also doesn’t take into account what, if any, previous history they had or any threats there were. There’s always more to it than just the video (which if released, always shows bias to one side). Not familiar with TX laws, but some strong castle doctrine/ stand your ground/ brandishing/ property laws could very well justify the shooting. Refraining from opinion until more is known, but kinda looking forward to maybe another epic thread in the same vein as the alley mattress, KR and the jogger. Good point about TX laws. They are kind of odd down there. What did ever happen with the alley mattress shooting? Yeah - again, I don’t know TX law, but a combo of good Castle Doctrine with no duty to retreat/ SYG and strong defense of property combined with a documented history of threats and a non-commie DA could very well exonerate the shooter. I just don’t know enough about the law down there. Pretty sure the alley mattress guys trial has been delayed due to <0\/1d (don’t want to trigger a move of this thread to the basement  ) |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:36:52 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: On the one hand, Shooter escalated an ordinary argument by unnecessarily bringing a gun into the situation. Dead guy tried to call his bluff. Shooter wasn't bluffing. Shooter is a murderer. On the other hand, Shooter told dead guy to get off his property. He didn't, so shooter brought out a gun. Shooter didn't point it at dead guy till dead guy got a little physical. Shooter then shoots dead guy. I'm actually gonna go with shooter on this one. Get the fuck off my property and sue me later if you want. But get the fuck off my property when you are uninvited or become uninvited. And definitely don't touch me on my property when I've told you to leave my property. I reserve the right to change my stance as more information becomes available. "I reserve the right to change my stance as more information becomes available." |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:36:55 PM EDT
[#42]
Seems most people here saying bad shoot are basing it on emotion IMHO. Sympathize with a single father, etc. Shit my divorce was so fun I lived in a tent the first couple months and for nearly a dfecade I had to play fuck fuck games to see my kids.
Not once did I every tresspass and refuse to leave , and I certainly wouldn't have tried to grab a gun yelling that I was going to kill a guy with it. I loved my kids more then myself and would never do anything to fuck that up.sometimes it meant driving 4 hours back home without seeing my kids. It sucked but I would not do my kids favors being in prison or dead |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:37:17 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn’t look nearly that clear cut to me. DRT said he was going to take the gun from him, advanced on him, tried to take gun away from him, ignored a warning shot and advanced again. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That was murder. No excuses at all. He needs prison in the worst way. Didn’t look nearly that clear cut to me. DRT said he was going to take the gun from him, advanced on him, tried to take gun away from him, ignored a warning shot and advanced again. He wasn't advancing when shot. Maybe he would have if he hadn't been shot, but at the time the shooter was making distance and then shot. Seems harder to justify shooting someone for trying to take your gun when you broke the contact and made distance yourself and then shot. Seems even harder when you brought the gun into it when it wasn't a fight before. I strongly lean toward guilty. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:37:22 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd have to watch it again but he didn't go for the gun until he was almost shot in the foot it looked to me. There was no need to escalate to getting a rifle because someone won't leave your front yard. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Does the dead guy try to take the rifle away from him? Hmmmmmm There was no need to escalate to getting a rifle because someone won't leave your front yard. Having a rifle in your front yard isn't illegal. The dead guy instantly escalated when homeowner guy brings out the gun. Dead guy gets in his face, body checks him (assault), and then verbally threatens to take homeowner's gun and kill him with it. I swear some of you people are worse than the Kenosha faggot DA. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:37:36 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed, and he shot him from a slight distance after retreating. It did not appear that the guy was charging him when shot.  The distance is irrelevant. Does he have to grab the gun again before he can shoot? They were struggling for the gun and spun apart and as soon as he stabilized he fired. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:37:55 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wonder if it was changed to coincide with the son getting out of school. Looks like sone Lubbock ISD schools get out at 3:15. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Most Texas Standard Custody Agreements are that Possessions usually change at 6PM. This shit was going on around 4ish?? THAT is why the Divorce Custody agreements state 6pm for exchanges. (A) You don't want them both trying to pick up the kid as school arguing who is supposed to & the hapless school security crossing guards being in the middle of Tug-O-War over Timmy & Tina. (B) kids get off school need time to pack their bags, do homework, get chores done before leaving for the weekend and returning at 6pm on return Sunday. Mom may have "said" oh come over at 3:30 to mess with Angry Dad, but it is what is WRITTEN that counts when the Cops show up. BIGGER_HAMMER  |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:37:59 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you REALLY think they cloroformed the kid to knock him out, tied him up, stuffed him in the trunk and then sent a jumbled letter ransom note demanding $17 Million Dollars or they'd cut off his ear?? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They kidnapped his kid. Do you REALLY think they cloroformed the kid to knock him out, tied him up, stuffed him in the trunk and then sent a jumbled letter ransom note demanding $17 Million Dollars or they'd cut off his ear?? In all fairness most amber alerts are kids taken by a non-custodial parent. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:38:30 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That video omits the fact that the new baby daddy went into the house to retrieve a firearm. He is fucked, and should be!!! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Video from another angle here https://www.everythinglubbock.com/news/local-news/kyle-carruth-attorney-makes-case-for-self-defense-after-deadly-shooting-of-chad-read/ I reeeaaallly hope it wasn’t his kid that filmed that. I couldn’t imagine what that would do to a child. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:38:33 PM EDT
[#49]
Tell 1932 their cell cameras suck ass.
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:38:40 PM EDT
[#50]
Bunch of slack-jawed Bingers in here.
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