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Posted: 9/26/2021 6:50:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: the shields were made of combustable materials. https://www.quora.com/How-were-Ancient-Roman-shields-made |
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Posted: 9/26/2021 6:53:07 PM EDT
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All I know is that I can wake up just about anywhere in Italy, stumble down to the hotel restaurant and get a piece of cold pizza for breakfast and it’s considered classy
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Posted: 9/26/2021 6:54:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Auxillaries and cavaly often carried round bronze shields from what ive read. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: For the most part it's true, but Roman soldiers made something very similar to pizza by cooking bread on their shields and adding cheese and whatever they could forage the shields were made of combustable materials. https://www.quora.com/How-were-Ancient-Roman-shields-made Auxillaries and cavaly often carried round bronze shields from what ive read. Ahhh Sooo. It was Barbarians from Gaul then, who cooked the first Pizza. The French! It actually makes a lot of sense. |
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Posted: 9/26/2021 7:01:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tomatoes did not exist in Europe until like a few hundred years ago. Wrap your head around that these all came from the Americas/new world. Sure that gave anybody from around 1500 to figure out how to incorporate them though. But it is a bit reality altering when you put that in perspective considering the things we think of as certain regions foods. No potatoes in Ireland. No tomatoes in Italy No tomatoes, potatoes, hot spice in India (and additional things that are brought by the brits like cauliflower and massive increase in tea production + possibly introducing masala chai) NO pasta did not come from China. Ketchup did come from China, it is a preservation method, sauce that was adapted in America to preservation of tomatoes. |
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Posted: 9/26/2021 7:05:00 PM EDT
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I was actually surprised to learn that the tomato, which I relate to most Italian dishes, was is only a few centuries old in Italy and was a gift from the Queen of Spain, imported from the Americas. The tomato is not native to Europe
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Posted: 9/26/2021 7:07:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:  Tune in Next week, when OP finds out the PF Changs is not authentic Chinese cuisine... Or Chop Suey, fortune cookies, and many of the “Americanized” dishes. |
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Posted: 9/26/2021 7:08:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was actually surprised to learn that the tomato, which I relate to most Italian dishes, was is only a few centuries old in Italy and was a gift from the Queen of Spain, imported from the Americas. The tomato is not native to Europe Not only did the tomato come from the Americas, at first it was NOT accepted in Europe since it's part of the nightshade family. It took a while for them to come around. |
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Posted: 9/26/2021 7:08:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Knowing what we know about the chinese now I'm sure they just stole the invention from somewhere else. Probably America... 
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Posted: 9/26/2021 7:13:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The first time I ordered pizza in Naples it was very different than American pizza but in a good way When I was in the uk 30 years ago there was a small hole in the wall italian place, run by a 60yr old guy from naples... his pizza was barely cooked thin dough... heavy on the minced garlic... diced roma tomatoes...a tiny bit of cheese (garnish level cheese) that was it. Take it or leave it. Oh you could have minestrone soup with it too. That was the lunch menu. |
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Posted: 9/26/2021 7:17:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So if you were going to visit Italy, would you go in the Spring when they tap the olive trees to make olive oil, or in the Fall when they pick the spaghetti? They pick the spaghetti in spring...  BBC: Spaghetti-Harvest in Ticino | Switzerland Tourism |
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Posted: 9/26/2021 7:19:01 PM EDT
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There's also no such thing as peperoni.
If you ask for "peperoni" in Italy it means bell peppers. |
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Posted: 9/26/2021 7:19:23 PM EDT
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A friend of mine came to the US from Italy as an adult. His favorite "Italian" dish is lobster mac 'n' cheese and he thinks Olive Garden is really good.
The Italians are a poor and degenerate race. |
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Posted: 9/26/2021 7:19:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All I know is that I can wake up just about anywhere in Italy, stumble down to the hotel restaurant and get a piece of cold pizza for breakfast and it’s considered classy Cold pizza and beer... breakfast of champions. |
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Posted: 9/26/2021 7:33:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: German "Italian" Pizza https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/222783/20210908_175826_jpg-2094025.JPG at least in Germany I can get Chicken of the Sea Pizza  https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/222783/20210908_175822_jpg-2087704.JPG Canned tuna pizza  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/26/2021 8:34:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do do dododo 
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Posted: 9/26/2021 8:40:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A friend of mine came to the US from Italy as an adult. His favorite "Italian" dish is lobster mac 'n' cheese and he thinks Olive Garden is really good. The Italians are a poor and degenerate race. It’s different !!!  It has a lot of cheese, sodium and carbs!! Plentiful And cheap !!! He was probably poor and skinny growing up. An upper middle class or wealthy Italian would have a different take. My dad told me (his experience was the 60s) that the fat Italians were in America and that most of the ones he encountered in Italy were poor and skinny |
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Posted: 9/26/2021 8:53:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So what you’re saying is, America made pizza great ! and America ruined it by adding crap like anchovies, eggs, ham, lettuce, onions, steak, chicken, mushrooms, sliced tomatoes, and all sorts of other crap. |
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Posted: 9/26/2021 8:54:21 PM EDT
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Quoted: made up bullshit ok OP. |
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Posted: 9/26/2021 8:57:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't know that  Phoenix Wright - Objection! |
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Posted: 9/26/2021 9:03:09 PM EDT
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Did you know that not every person in Italy eats pasta! Did you know that the majority don’t eat tomato sauce! Food is very regional and what you eat depends on where you live in italy
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Posted: 9/26/2021 9:03:10 PM EDT
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My Grandma was off the boat southern Italy and cooked some badass pizza. Oddly enough what's known as Grandma slices at the legit NY pizza places closely resemble hers. Thin crust, fresh tomatoes and light cheese.
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Posted: 9/26/2021 9:18:22 PM EDT
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Both of my grandmothers first generation to come to America. They both made pizza with crushed tomatoes, basil, and a couple of shakes of pecorino Romano on top. Anything else to them was not necessary. When I was old enough to drive I brought a cheese and pepperoni pizza to my grandmother. She refused to even try it. Started swearing in Italian and that was the last time I ever did that.
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Posted: 9/26/2021 9:24:04 PM EDT
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Yeah, we had a little Italian lady in our church in the sixties. My Mom had done something for her so she invited us for dinner.
One of the courses was pizza, but I recall it being something like a deep dish lasagna, but with bread instead of pasta. |
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Posted: 9/26/2021 9:38:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn’t the Chinese create pasta and the Italians only put sauce on it? So, I’ve heard.  Gravy |
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Posted: 9/26/2021 9:46:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yea, looks legit dego pizza, I should know my family is from Abruzzo Italy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Yea, looks legit dego pizza, I should know my family is from Abruzzo Italy. You taught the world how to eat. |
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Posted: 9/26/2021 9:48:16 PM EDT
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Flatbread with stuff on it is not an Italian invention.
Pizza, however, is most certainly an Italian invention. |
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Posted: 9/26/2021 10:13:58 PM EDT
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Roman Centurions would disagree, the flat bread "Pizza" was filled and folded and carried in
a meal kit of roman soldiers. American Pizza was born in NYC feeding Italian workers in the early 1900s...don't know where that chicago crap came from probably born of a mistake in some Greek deli. Tomatoes, as stated above were not even commonly eaten until the mid 1800 as they were thought to be poisonous. yes very brief statement here, far more complicated and probably off by a few years on whens... |
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Posted: 9/26/2021 10:17:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some of you ignants should google why a pizza Marguerita is called that way... Named after Queen Margarit.... a real Queen, not your average tranny loving arfcom "queen" |
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Posted: 9/26/2021 10:23:10 PM EDT
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All ethnic food sucks with the exception of French food. The rest has been wonderfully bastardized by Americans to what you know today.
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Posted: 9/26/2021 10:36:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: and America ruined it by adding crap like anchovies, eggs, ham, lettuce, onions, steak, chicken, mushrooms, sliced tomatoes, and all sorts of other crap. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So what you're saying is, America made pizza great ! and America ruined it by adding crap like anchovies, eggs, ham, lettuce, onions, steak, chicken, mushrooms, sliced tomatoes, and all sorts of other crap. I'll take a Little Caesar's with pepperoni over some cracker with a drop of sauce and sprinkle of cheese. |
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Posted: 9/26/2021 10:38:58 PM EDT
[#31]
Foccacia bread.
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Posted: 9/26/2021 10:41:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The first time I ordered pizza in Naples it was very different than American pizza but in a good way Naples street vendor "pizza" is what comes to mind when i think "authentic". |
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Posted: 9/26/2021 10:42:41 PM EDT
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Same with Tacos.
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Posted: 9/26/2021 10:44:55 PM EDT
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Flat bread with some kind of topping is a middle eastern thing originally.
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Posted: 9/26/2021 10:59:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't the Chinese create pasta and the Italians only put sauce on it? So, I've heard. |
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Posted: 9/26/2021 11:24:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait until they find out that Americans make better beer, wine and cheese than the euoropoors too. It is rare that a post is more wrong than this. The French and Italians make very good wine and cheese. The Germans make the best beer. The beer purity law is a great idea. Americans keep making ipa's that taste like a half eaten urinal mint soaked in swamp water. |
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Posted: 9/27/2021 2:07:40 AM EDT
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Obviously, the history of pizza is fairly short, as are the histories of a lot of "traditional" dishes. I do find it funny when people say "he's from Italy - he knows pizza / pasta / whatever!" There are lots of different regions, with their own regional cuisines, in most countries: Italy is no exception. Someone who never left the Italian alps would scarcely recognize Sicilian food as Italian. It would be like an Italian saying "my friend (from New Hampshire) is American - he knows barbecue!"
You are correct that pizza, particularly as we know it, is a relatively modern invention, and varies greatly between the U.S. and Italy. I am not arguing against your point. It varies quite a bit in Italy, itself. As someone who has known people born in Europe who can't cook for shit, and were basically bumpkins, I just find it a little funny when people see foreigners as experts in their country's cuisine. |
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Posted: 9/27/2021 2:15:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: American soldiers invented French fries. Yes, but the French invented French Flys. |
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Posted: 9/27/2021 2:16:10 AM EDT
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I always assumed it started out as an herbed flat bread. Perhaps a little cheese was put on it for taste. Maybe eventually thin slices of tomato were also placed on it as well. The only reason tomato paste would have been used was canning made it cheaply available year round. That said, one of the great things about tomatoes is they are easily grown on a balcony herb garden.
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Posted: 9/27/2021 2:21:45 AM EDT
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The OP did no research before he started his thread!
He needs to back up all of his assertions about the invention of PIZZA! |
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Posted: 9/27/2021 6:45:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So what you’re saying is, America made pizza great ! That is what I have always read. |
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Posted: 9/27/2021 6:54:58 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait until they find out that Americans make better beer, wine and cheese than the euoropoors too. Beer… until we stop the silly “add MOAR ingredients” fad…the eurotards will have the edge here. |
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Posted: 9/27/2021 7:24:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: the shields were made of combustable materials. https://www.quora.com/How-were-Ancient-Roman-shields-made Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: For the most part it's true, but Roman soldiers made something very similar to pizza by cooking bread on their shields and adding cheese and whatever they could forage the shields were made of combustable materials. https://www.quora.com/How-were-Ancient-Roman-shields-made Yea. Parma (mounted) and Scutum both wood. Cetra Was wood as well but not very Roman. Regardless the Romans and probably deriving from the Etruscans, or Greeks or some others, had flatbreads with stuff on top. There's a fair amount of evidence, even a poem or two. Lots of Eastern Med cultures put shit on flatbread. Romans had Panis Foccacius. Pizza Napoli has a pretty clear, if somewhat fanciful, history. As above the Tomato arrived from Peru and for quite a time many believed poisonous. But the poor hafta eat so they did. Everyone knows the name Queen 'Margherita' - nobody recalls Rafael Esposito. |
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Posted: 9/27/2021 7:30:17 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/27/2021 7:36:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some of you ignants should google why a pizza Marguerita is called that way... Red sauce, white cheese, and green basil leaves, the colors of the Italian flag. And in honor of Queen Margarite. |
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Posted: 9/27/2021 7:36:50 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/27/2021 7:36:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Auxillaries and cavaly often carried round bronze shields from what ive read. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: For the most part it's true, but Roman soldiers made something very similar to pizza by cooking bread on their shields and adding cheese and whatever they could forage the shields were made of combustable materials. https://www.quora.com/How-were-Ancient-Roman-shields-made Auxillaries and cavaly often carried round bronze shields from what ive read. From what little I know even the few Greek shields extant that show metal exteriors, they were rather thin and appear to have needed wicker or wood structures supporting. Plus you have straps and attachments. I can't see regular use, but like helmets used, I'm sure there were field expedients. Shod, bosses, plated or ribbed with metal, sure. But much combustible. But Rome had a long history and huge footprint so somebody somewhere might have - just not what's seen commonly Maybe metal parts of old shields were used when damaged beyond repair? |
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Posted: 9/27/2021 7:38:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was actually surprised to learn that the tomato, which I relate to most Italian dishes, was is only a few centuries old in Italy and was a gift from the Queen of Spain, imported from the Americas. The tomato is not native to Europe None of the new world nightshade cultivars are. |
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Posted: 9/27/2021 7:39:57 AM EDT
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The term pizza was first recorded in the 10th century in a Latin manuscript from the Southern Italian town of Gaeta in Lazio, on the border with Campania.[4] Modern pizza was invented in Naples, and the dish and its variants have since become popular in many countries.[5] It has become one of the most popular foods in the world and a common fast food item in Europe, North America and Australasia; available at pizzerias (restaurants specializing in pizza), restaurants offering Mediterranean cuisine, and via pizza delivery.[5][6] Various food companies also sell ready-baked frozen pizzas in grocery stores, to be reheated in an ordinary home oven. |
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Posted: 9/27/2021 7:40:03 AM EDT
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Now you know, and knowing is half the battle.
Everything I needed to know in life I learned from GI-JOE. |
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