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Posted: 10/12/2021 11:17:22 AM EDT
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Better look at the hybrid guts.
 Toyota's Hotly Anticipated Hybrid Pickup Is Here | 2022 Toyota Tundra Hybrid |
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Posted: 10/12/2021 11:17:33 AM EDT
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 2022 Toyota Tundra | Review & Road Test  2022 Toyota Tundra First Drive | Toyota's Large Pickup Finally Redesigned | Engine, Towing & More  Toyota's New Tundra Is Exactly What We Expected | 2022 Tundra First Drive The fuel economy rating is 17/22/19 for the 4x4. That's pretty much what I was expecting. Alex said he got ~17.5 MPG in mostly highway driving. That's also close to what I was expecting. The test truck Alex had was a crew cab 4x4 Limited with the air suspension, and he said the payload rating for that configuration was ~1,400 lbs. That's catastrophic.  Unless the SR5 with fewer features and smaller wheels picks up a good 200+ pounds, I think I'm out. |
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Posted: 10/12/2021 11:20:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I looked it up. That micro airstream has a tongue weight of about 410 lbs with full LP & batteries. 410 lbs is causing it to sag at least 3"? https://c.tenor.com/9AxpRD2d5d0AAAAd/blinking-eyes-man.gif Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: What a weird test to have been set up by Toyota themselves. Two different trailers, with one that had the part of the sticker with the weight mysteriously torn off. 3 things I took from that video... - Toyota is shady and even TFL couldn't polish that turd of a test - The micro airstream in the back up demo causes the Tundra to sag a lot - The trailer back up feature is hokey and they had to cut the video before it steered the trailer into a parking cone https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/167167/C5E1C417-1B4C-4A90-A99B-8C70274090D9-2127014.png Without trailer... https://cdn-motor1-com.cdn.ampproject.org/i/s/cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/02nwz/s3/2022-toyota-tundra-review.webp I looked it up. That micro airstream has a tongue weight of about 410 lbs with full LP & batteries. 410 lbs is causing it to sag at least 3"? https://c.tenor.com/9AxpRD2d5d0AAAAd/blinking-eyes-man.gif In the engineer interviews, they said the rear suspension uses dual rate springs. The idea being that the truck would ride smoothly when unloaded but could still support a load. That seems like a reasonable explanation for that. Then again, the payload ratings... 
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Posted: 10/12/2021 11:22:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only thing I've seen so far that I like is how you can check cameras watching the bed and rear whenever you want. Other trucks have been doing that for a while. Ram even has a camera you can put on your trailer so you can see behind it. Uses a 12 pin connector at the hitch instead of a 7 pin. |
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Posted: 10/12/2021 11:23:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkKHWFRJGDU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1GT2BQklvM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbwLqz8ocKsThe fuel economy rating is 17/22/19 for the 4x4. That's pretty much what I was expecting. Alex said he got ~17.5 MPG in mostly highway driving. That's also close to what I was expecting. The test truck Alex had was a crew cab 4x4 Limited with the air suspension, and he said the payload rating for that configuration was ~1,400 lbs. That's catastrophic. Unless the SR5 with fewer features and smaller wheels picks up a good 200+ pounds, I think I'm out. Max payload is supposed to be around 1900lbs. Probably a double cab with the shorter bed. |
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Posted: 10/12/2021 11:24:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkKHWFRJGDU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1GT2BQklvM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbwLqz8ocKsThe fuel economy rating is 17/22/19 for the 4x4. That's pretty much what I was expecting. Alex said he got ~17.5 MPG in mostly highway driving. That's also close to what I was expecting. The test truck Alex had was a crew cab 4x4 Limited with the air suspension, and he said the payload rating for that configuration was ~1,400 lbs. That's catastrophic. Unless the SR5 with fewer features and smaller wheels picks up a good 200+ pounds, I think I'm out. Dang, my V8 Hemi 3/4 ton got those numbers before I lifted and got larger tires. I can still hit 20-21 on the interstate though. |
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Posted: 10/12/2021 11:34:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/195/Screenshot_20211012-055427_YouTube_jpg-2126956.JPG I think that lineup is Platinum, SR5, Limited from left to right. The SR5 really shows what color matching the chrome surrounding the grill could do, I think it would fix a lot of the issues. Plastidip is only a brush away.  Kharn It's like there was an engineering contest to see who could design the ugliest grills. Fuck, those are worse than the GM products |
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Posted: 10/12/2021 11:37:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkKHWFRJGDU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1GT2BQklvM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbwLqz8ocKsThe fuel economy rating is 17/22/19 for the 4x4. That's pretty much what I was expecting. Alex said he got ~17.5 MPG in mostly highway driving. That's also close to what I was expecting. The test truck Alex had was a crew cab 4x4 Limited with the air suspension, and he said the payload rating for that configuration was ~1,400 lbs. That's catastrophic. Unless the SR5 with fewer features and smaller wheels picks up a good 200+ pounds, I think I'm out. You weren’t buying one anyway lol |
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Posted: 10/12/2021 11:51:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You weren’t buying one anyway lol Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkKHWFRJGDU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1GT2BQklvMhttp://www.ar15.com/image2016/icon_video2.png https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbwLqz8ocKs The fuel economy rating is 17/22/19 for the 4x4. That's pretty much what I was expecting. Alex said he got ~17.5 MPG in mostly highway driving. That's also close to what I was expecting. The test truck Alex had was a crew cab 4x4 Limited with the air suspension, and he said the payload rating for that configuration was ~1,400 lbs. That's catastrophic. Unless the SR5 with fewer features and smaller wheels picks up a good 200+ pounds, I think I'm out. You weren’t buying one anyway lol What makes you say that? |
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Posted: 10/12/2021 12:24:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ford is going the wrong way with Raptor design. First gen Raptors stood out. You saw one and you instantly knew from any angle and any distance, that's a fuckin Raptor. Gen 2 started dialing back on that. This third gen looks even less like a Raptor and more like a regular F150. But besides that, the 3rd gen Raptor is sort of disappointing. Myself and a few other guys dumped out Gen 2s because of the terrible reliability when driven hard- cam phasers, brittle fan blades breaking, and the fucking terrible leaking sunroof (no rigidity in the cab because the whole roof is glass, so any twisting or impact starts to cause issues with flex). And they fixed exactly none of that with the 3rd generation. It's a joke. I miss my gen 1 Raptor. The VCTs had to be replaced on my gen 2 at 20K. I've had to do suspension repairs 3 times in <30K. I use it hard, but I was brutal on the gen 1 and didn't have any issues up to 60K when I traded it in. This is my first non-V8 motor ever and while it can generate ample power and torque, turbo lag sucks. I was seriously considering a Tundra.... not anymore. I think my next truck might be a 1975 highboy. It's like we're reliving the 70's. Expensive fuel. Cool cars and trucks are either being discontinued or turned into faggot mobiles. |
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Posted: 10/12/2021 2:10:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just seems odd for an official thing set up by Toyota themselves. Even if you disregard the sticker oddity, what possible reason could there be for Toyota to just not use two identical trailers? Why toss in more variables for no reason, if you’re trying to do a comparison? But you’re right that in the long run, it won’t matter, because reviewers will most definitely figure out any shenanigans that may be at play. It was just really weird that it was set up by Toyota that way. 1. Trailers are in short supply and I’m guessing rented 2. This was TLD’s test at a Toyota drive while towing event. Toyota didn’t set this up as an absolute test. The website did for content. 3. In the comments many who own that trailer have specified the weights. They are about the same. Without a scale slip it’s nothing more that a butt-o-feel meter. I’m still not sold on the truck. These are all still preproduction BS for testing. |
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Posted: 10/12/2021 5:22:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkKHWFRJGDU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1GT2BQklvM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbwLqz8ocKsThe fuel economy rating is 17/22/19 for the 4x4. That's pretty much what I was expecting. Alex said he got ~17.5 MPG in mostly highway driving. That's also close to what I was expecting. The test truck Alex had was a crew cab 4x4 Limited with the air suspension, and he said the payload rating for that configuration was ~1,400 lbs. That's catastrophic. Unless the SR5 with fewer features and smaller wheels picks up a good 200+ pounds, I think I'm out. "How can I afford an F-150" was today's lunch exercise. But even a Maverick has a 1500lb payload configuration. Did Toyota not pay attention to the obesity epidemic in America? People are fat. Five seats, five 250lb dudes, and you're at the payload limit with their gear and beer for a weekend in the woods before the owner can even bolt a rack, shovel, ax, jack, tent, extra fuel, and shit onto it to show how cool he is while parked at a KOA. Not that I'm planning to do that or anything.  Problem is the domestics put adaptive cruise control on a pedestal like it's the first piece of poon they ever tasted, vs Toyota giving it away like the town strumpet, and I won't buy another vehicle without it. Kharn |
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Posted: 10/12/2021 6:20:22 PM EDT
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TRD PRO
 2022 Toyota Tundra TRD PRO Review and Off-Road Test |
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Posted: 10/12/2021 7:43:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: (snip) Problem is the domestics put adaptive cruise control on a pedestal like it's the first piece of poon they ever tasted, vs Toyota giving it away like the town strumpet, and I won't buy another vehicle without it. Kharn I've owned three vehicles now with adaptive cruise and have yet to give it a try. Never liked cruise control. |
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Posted: 10/12/2021 8:56:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've owned three vehicles now with adaptive cruise and have yet to give it a try. Never liked cruise control. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: (snip) Problem is the domestics put adaptive cruise control on a pedestal like it's the first piece of poon they ever tasted, vs Toyota giving it away like the town strumpet, and I won't buy another vehicle without it. Kharn I've owned three vehicles now with adaptive cruise and have yet to give it a try. Never liked cruise control. If you're on a limited access highway, fire it up. My work sometimes sends me hundreds of miles away by car with an hour's warning vs booking a flight online, driving to the airport, waiting for a flight, landing, getting checked items, getting a rental, etc. It's far easier to jump in the car and get reimbursed or flash a corporate card at the rental lot. There's a huge difference between 300 miles on I95 and the PA Turnpike manually and the same drive with adaptive cruise control and lane keeping assist. I arrive a whole lot less worn out, I'm able to function, etc. Our minivan has the same, and family vacations no longer have one parent stressed out and screaming at everyone else for two days on either end of what is supposed to be a fun experience. Kharn |
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Posted: 10/12/2021 9:05:34 PM EDT
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Dear Toyota,
You’re fuckin’ this shit up so bad. P.S. make a Fj62 with a Cummins in it. P.S.S. I know you’ll fuck that up too, NVM |
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Posted: 10/12/2021 9:11:12 PM EDT
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I’ll probably get an SR5 TRD off road in a couple years. Seems to be the sweet spot for features, and the best looking trim.
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Posted: 10/12/2021 9:11:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you're on a limited access highway, fire it up. My work sometimes sends me hundreds of miles away by car with an hour's warning vs booking a flight online, driving to the airport, waiting for a flight, landing, getting checked items, getting a rental, etc. It's far easier to jump in the car and get reimbursed or flash a corporate card at the rental lot. There's a huge difference between 300 miles on I95 and the PA Turnpike manually and the same drive with adaptive cruise control and lane keeping assist. I arrive a whole lot less worn out, I'm able to function, etc. Our minivan has the same, and family vacations no longer have one parent stressed out and screaming at everyone else for two days on either end of what is supposed to be a fun experience. Kharn I generally enjoy driving. With cruise, there's just something unsettling to me when I feel the vehicle accelerate with my foot off the pedal. When I was stationed in Georgia, I used to periodically make the 650 mile trip home to Pennsylvania for a long weekend, after a day at work, pulling in at 2-3am. Never touched cruise the whole way. That said, that was a long time ago. My tolerance for those drives has gone down a little as I've gotten older for sure. 
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Posted: 10/12/2021 10:02:54 PM EDT
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I've commented on it before, but I can't get over this stupidity. I mean there's a lot of stupid to pass around on this truck.... but this one... this one in particular takes the cake.
It's like Toyota's design team asked what the most critical areas are for fender flares to protect and said "alright then, we're not going to cover those areas" I mean it looks like Urkle's pants. Is the plastic gonna melt if it touches the water? It's mind boggling 
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Posted: 10/12/2021 10:41:57 PM EDT
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Pricing is scaring me….
SR5 would be my choice if it’s affordable. Even then, probably won’t see one available to buy until Spring |
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Posted: 10/12/2021 10:44:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've commented on it before, but I can't get over this stupidity. I mean there's a lot of stupid to pass around on this truck.... but this one... this one in particular takes the cake. It's like Toyota's design team asked what the most critical areas are for fender flares to protect and said "alright then, we're not going to cover those areas" I mean it looks like Urkle's pants. Is the plastic gonna melt if it touches the water? It's mind boggling https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/167167/36D5D7E1-1EB7-4149-B4D9-8DAED689F4CD-2127945.jpg I wonder what their excuse for going back to 6-lug wheels is after 14 years of bUt OuR fIVe LuGs ArE StRoNgEr ThAn YoUr SiX lUgS. |
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Posted: 10/12/2021 11:05:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pricing is scaring me…. SR5 would be my choice if it’s affordable. Even then, probably won’t see one available to buy until Spring https://tfltruck.com/2021/10/the-base-2022-toyota-tundra-sr-is-not-like-the-rest-of-them-here-are-the-details/ The engine and towing specifications are different on the SR5 |
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Posted: 10/12/2021 11:06:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder what their excuse for going back to 6-lug wheels is after 14 years of bUt OuR fIVe LuGs ArE StRoNgEr ThAn YoUr SiX lUgS. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I've commented on it before, but I can't get over this stupidity. I mean there's a lot of stupid to pass around on this truck.... but this one... this one in particular takes the cake. It's like Toyota's design team asked what the most critical areas are for fender flares to protect and said "alright then, we're not going to cover those areas" I mean it looks like Urkle's pants. Is the plastic gonna melt if it touches the water? It's mind boggling https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/167167/36D5D7E1-1EB7-4149-B4D9-8DAED689F4CD-2127945.jpg I wonder what their excuse for going back to 6-lug wheels is after 14 years of bUt OuR fIVe LuGs ArE StRoNgEr ThAn YoUr SiX lUgS. Lol no kidding Same for the new and improved boxed frame after so many tried to convince themselves that open C frames were stronger and Toyota is smarter than everyone else 
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Posted: 10/12/2021 11:18:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://tfltruck.com/2021/10/the-base-2022-toyota-tundra-sr-is-not-like-the-rest-of-them-here-are-the-details/ The engine and towing specifications are different on the SR5 The SR and the SR5 are 2 different models. SR is the lowest tier, the WT or XL version so to speak. The SR5 gets the full hp/tq non hybrid engine and not the detuned one as well as an expanded options list. |
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Posted: 10/12/2021 11:39:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It pains me to say it, but Dodge easily has the best looking modern trucks as they didn't go all tarded on the grill. Not a dogde fan, but you ain't wrong. I thought the 90's billy big rig look was dumb, but now in hindsight, they're the only ones that didn't go full retard. |
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Posted: 10/12/2021 11:47:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I looked it up. That micro airstream has a tongue weight of about 410 lbs with full LP & batteries. 410 lbs is causing it to sag at least 3"? https://c.tenor.com/9AxpRD2d5d0AAAAd/blinking-eyes-man.gif Sounds wonky. I put 1500lbs in my 13 tundra and the truck is level. Same pallet in a 17 Ram and it's on the bumpstops... I watched an engineer (tfl?) talk about ride quality, but I wouldn't think they'd go that far. |
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Posted: 10/13/2021 1:57:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "How can I afford an F-150" was today's lunch exercise. But even a Maverick has a 1500lb payload configuration. Did Toyota not pay attention to the obesity epidemic in America? People are fat. Five seats, five 250lb dudes, and you're at the payload limit with their gear and beer for a weekend in the woods before the owner can even bolt a rack, shovel, ax, jack, tent, extra fuel, and shit onto it to show how cool he is while parked at a KOA. Not that I'm planning to do that or anything. Problem is the domestics put adaptive cruise control on a pedestal like it's the first piece of poon they ever tasted, vs Toyota giving it away like the town strumpet, and I won't buy another vehicle without it. Kharn Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkKHWFRJGDU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1GT2BQklvM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbwLqz8ocKsThe fuel economy rating is 17/22/19 for the 4x4. That's pretty much what I was expecting. Alex said he got ~17.5 MPG in mostly highway driving. That's also close to what I was expecting. The test truck Alex had was a crew cab 4x4 Limited with the air suspension, and he said the payload rating for that configuration was ~1,400 lbs. That's catastrophic. Unless the SR5 with fewer features and smaller wheels picks up a good 200+ pounds, I think I'm out. "How can I afford an F-150" was today's lunch exercise. But even a Maverick has a 1500lb payload configuration. Did Toyota not pay attention to the obesity epidemic in America? People are fat. Five seats, five 250lb dudes, and you're at the payload limit with their gear and beer for a weekend in the woods before the owner can even bolt a rack, shovel, ax, jack, tent, extra fuel, and shit onto it to show how cool he is while parked at a KOA. Not that I'm planning to do that or anything. Problem is the domestics put adaptive cruise control on a pedestal like it's the first piece of poon they ever tasted, vs Toyota giving it away like the town strumpet, and I won't buy another vehicle without it. Kharn It's baffling. I don't expect Toyota to chase the 3,000 pound numbers Ford gets with special packages and stuff, but the basic, high volume configurations of the Ram 1500 and F-150 are both around 1,800 lbs of payload for crew cab 4x4s. The 3.5L EB and 5.0 F-150 are both over 2,100 lbs no matter how they're configured. The Tundra's capacity being anywhere near 1,400 pounds is a massive failure. |
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Posted: 10/13/2021 3:10:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Eight foot bed available. Must be a few non-soccer moms around still who haul OTG (Other Than Groceries)! I'll still get the 5.5 bed, even if I take grief for it. Another 2.5 feet isn't going to help with the switchbacks going up my driveway. If there's too much snow on the ground, I already have to 3-point turn one of them in my 4Runner. |
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Posted: 10/13/2021 3:14:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkKHWFRJGDU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1GT2BQklvM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbwLqz8ocKsThe fuel economy rating is 17/22/19 for the 4x4. That's pretty much what I was expecting. Alex said he got ~17.5 MPG in mostly highway driving. That's also close to what I was expecting. The test truck Alex had was a crew cab 4x4 Limited with the air suspension, and he said the payload rating for that configuration was ~1,400 lbs. That's catastrophic. Unless the SR5 with fewer features and smaller wheels picks up a good 200+ pounds, I think I'm out. Toyota says the max payload is 1940, which is probably a double cab 2wd sr5 without the hybrid. The hybrid lowers payload by about 400 lbs from what I can tell. A crew cab short bed sr5 or limited with 4x4 and no hybrid should be somewhere between 16-1800. As for the stated MPGs, I'm only supposed to get 19 highway in my 4Runner, but I'm averaging 20.2 combined, calculated by hand, over 20k miles. I bet I could get 22 average out of the tundra. |
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Posted: 10/13/2021 3:24:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder what their excuse for going back to 6-lug wheels is after 14 years of bUt OuR fIVe LuGs ArE StRoNgEr ThAn YoUr SiX lUgS. TNGA-F (GA-F) platform spec. Same on the 300's |
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Posted: 10/13/2021 3:25:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol no kidding Same for the new and improved boxed frame after so many tried to convince themselves that open C frames were stronger and Toyota is smarter than everyone else Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I've commented on it before, but I can't get over this stupidity. I mean there's a lot of stupid to pass around on this truck.... but this one... this one in particular takes the cake. It's like Toyota's design team asked what the most critical areas are for fender flares to protect and said "alright then, we're not going to cover those areas" I mean it looks like Urkle's pants. Is the plastic gonna melt if it touches the water? It's mind boggling https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/167167/36D5D7E1-1EB7-4149-B4D9-8DAED689F4CD-2127945.jpg I wonder what their excuse for going back to 6-lug wheels is after 14 years of bUt OuR fIVe LuGs ArE StRoNgEr ThAn YoUr SiX lUgS. Lol no kidding Same for the new and improved boxed frame after so many tried to convince themselves that open C frames were stronger and Toyota is smarter than everyone else Again it's moving the tundra to the TNGA-F (GA-F) platform. It actually benefited form the LC300 development there. |
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Posted: 10/13/2021 3:25:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder what their excuse for going back to 6-lug wheels is after 14 years of bUt OuR fIVe LuGs ArE StRoNgEr ThAn YoUr SiX lUgS. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I've commented on it before, but I can't get over this stupidity. I mean there's a lot of stupid to pass around on this truck.... but this one... this one in particular takes the cake. It's like Toyota's design team asked what the most critical areas are for fender flares to protect and said "alright then, we're not going to cover those areas" I mean it looks like Urkle's pants. Is the plastic gonna melt if it touches the water? It's mind boggling https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/167167/36D5D7E1-1EB7-4149-B4D9-8DAED689F4CD-2127945.jpg I wonder what their excuse for going back to 6-lug wheels is after 14 years of bUt OuR fIVe LuGs ArE StRoNgEr ThAn YoUr SiX lUgS. Parts commonality. The basic architecture is supposed to be the next Tacoma as well (that has always been 6 lug, along with the older 4x4 pickups, 1st gen Tundra, Land Cruiser etc. |
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Posted: 10/13/2021 3:27:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol no kidding Same for the new and improved boxed frame after so many tried to convince themselves that open C frames were stronger and Toyota is smarter than everyone else Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I've commented on it before, but I can't get over this stupidity. I mean there's a lot of stupid to pass around on this truck.... but this one... this one in particular takes the cake. It's like Toyota's design team asked what the most critical areas are for fender flares to protect and said "alright then, we're not going to cover those areas" I mean it looks like Urkle's pants. Is the plastic gonna melt if it touches the water? It's mind boggling https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/167167/36D5D7E1-1EB7-4149-B4D9-8DAED689F4CD-2127945.jpg I wonder what their excuse for going back to 6-lug wheels is after 14 years of bUt OuR fIVe LuGs ArE StRoNgEr ThAn YoUr SiX lUgS. Lol no kidding Same for the new and improved boxed frame after so many tried to convince themselves that open C frames were stronger and Toyota is smarter than everyone else I had a 2010 Tundra Platinum, on the concrete highway through Chattanooga it looked like Cardi B twerking. Downright embarrassing. |
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Posted: 10/13/2021 3:28:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've commented on it before, but I can't get over this stupidity. I mean there's a lot of stupid to pass around on this truck.... but this one... this one in particular takes the cake. It's like Toyota's design team asked what the most critical areas are for fender flares to protect and said "alright then, we're not going to cover those areas" I mean it looks like Urkle's pants. Is the plastic gonna melt if it touches the water? It's mind boggling https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/167167/36D5D7E1-1EB7-4149-B4D9-8DAED689F4CD-2127945.jpg That stupid flap on either side of the wheelwell is equally as dumb. Yay, more low hanging sheetmetal to get smacked on rocks and limit tire size if you are lifting the truck. A sawzall was involved in the fix for the offending sheetmetal on the rear of my Tacoma. |
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Posted: 10/13/2021 6:10:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's baffling. I don't expect Toyota to chase the 3,000 pound numbers Ford gets with special packages and stuff, but the basic, high volume configurations of the Ram 1500 and F-150 are both around 1,800 lbs of payload for crew cab 4x4s. The 3.5L EB and 5.0 F-150 are both over 2,100 lbs no matter how they're configured. The Tundra's capacity being anywhere near 1,400 pounds is a massive failure. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkKHWFRJGDU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1GT2BQklvM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbwLqz8ocKsThe fuel economy rating is 17/22/19 for the 4x4. That's pretty much what I was expecting. Alex said he got ~17.5 MPG in mostly highway driving. That's also close to what I was expecting. The test truck Alex had was a crew cab 4x4 Limited with the air suspension, and he said the payload rating for that configuration was ~1,400 lbs. That's catastrophic. Unless the SR5 with fewer features and smaller wheels picks up a good 200+ pounds, I think I'm out. "How can I afford an F-150" was today's lunch exercise. But even a Maverick has a 1500lb payload configuration. Did Toyota not pay attention to the obesity epidemic in America? People are fat. Five seats, five 250lb dudes, and you're at the payload limit with their gear and beer for a weekend in the woods before the owner can even bolt a rack, shovel, ax, jack, tent, extra fuel, and shit onto it to show how cool he is while parked at a KOA. Not that I'm planning to do that or anything. Problem is the domestics put adaptive cruise control on a pedestal like it's the first piece of poon they ever tasted, vs Toyota giving it away like the town strumpet, and I won't buy another vehicle without it. Kharn It's baffling. I don't expect Toyota to chase the 3,000 pound numbers Ford gets with special packages and stuff, but the basic, high volume configurations of the Ram 1500 and F-150 are both around 1,800 lbs of payload for crew cab 4x4s. The 3.5L EB and 5.0 F-150 are both over 2,100 lbs no matter how they're configured. The Tundra's capacity being anywhere near 1,400 pounds is a massive failure. On the other baling side of the spectrum, for the love of God I cannot figure out Ford's website. You have to manually tell it you want to add applicable discounts for your vehicle. It will tease you and say the huge trailer tow mirrors are only $250, but when you click to add them suddenly you need to change two different option packages and it's $2100. There are 12 tonneau covers, four different trailer tow packages, you're not told your truck has a bench seat until almost the end and then charged $700 for buckets and a console vs a 40/20/40 bench. On a Lariat.  I've tried to build a reasonable truck five different times during teleconferences, I've never had two trucks within $2k of each other and I can't figure out wtf I'm missing or adding excessively. I want a 4x4 crew cab 6.5' bed with 1) hybrid/turbo engine 2) push button start 3) remote start 4) adaptive cruise control 5) power heated front buckets 6) skid plates and non-street tires 7) able to tow a 7500lb camper 8) step bars and bed access assistance 9) for two 300lb front occupants and their fat friends. Kharn |
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Posted: 10/13/2021 6:56:09 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: On the other baling side of the spectrum, for the love of God I cannot figure out Ford's website. You have to manually tell it you want to add applicable discounts for your vehicle. It will tease you and say the huge trailer tow mirrors are only $250, but when you click to add them suddenly you need to change two different option packages and it's $2100. There are 12 tonneau covers, four different trailer tow packages, you're not told your truck has a bench seat until almost the end and then charged $700 for buckets and a console vs a 40/20/40 bench. On a Lariat. I've tried to build a reasonable truck five different times during teleconferences, I've never had two trucks within $2k of each other and I can't figure out wtf I'm missing or adding excessively. I want a 4x4 crew cab 6.5' bed with 1) hybrid/turbo engine 2) push button start 3) remote start 4) adaptive cruise control 5) power heated front buckets 6) skid plates and non-street tires 7) able to tow a 7500lb camper 8) step bars and bed access assistance 9) for two 300lb front occupants and their fat friends. Kharn Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkKHWFRJGDU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1GT2BQklvM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbwLqz8ocKsThe fuel economy rating is 17/22/19 for the 4x4. That's pretty much what I was expecting. Alex said he got ~17.5 MPG in mostly highway driving. That's also close to what I was expecting. The test truck Alex had was a crew cab 4x4 Limited with the air suspension, and he said the payload rating for that configuration was ~1,400 lbs. That's catastrophic. Unless the SR5 with fewer features and smaller wheels picks up a good 200+ pounds, I think I'm out. "How can I afford an F-150" was today's lunch exercise. But even a Maverick has a 1500lb payload configuration. Did Toyota not pay attention to the obesity epidemic in America? People are fat. Five seats, five 250lb dudes, and you're at the payload limit with their gear and beer for a weekend in the woods before the owner can even bolt a rack, shovel, ax, jack, tent, extra fuel, and shit onto it to show how cool he is while parked at a KOA. Not that I'm planning to do that or anything. Problem is the domestics put adaptive cruise control on a pedestal like it's the first piece of poon they ever tasted, vs Toyota giving it away like the town strumpet, and I won't buy another vehicle without it. Kharn It's baffling. I don't expect Toyota to chase the 3,000 pound numbers Ford gets with special packages and stuff, but the basic, high volume configurations of the Ram 1500 and F-150 are both around 1,800 lbs of payload for crew cab 4x4s. The 3.5L EB and 5.0 F-150 are both over 2,100 lbs no matter how they're configured. The Tundra's capacity being anywhere near 1,400 pounds is a massive failure. On the other baling side of the spectrum, for the love of God I cannot figure out Ford's website. You have to manually tell it you want to add applicable discounts for your vehicle. It will tease you and say the huge trailer tow mirrors are only $250, but when you click to add them suddenly you need to change two different option packages and it's $2100. There are 12 tonneau covers, four different trailer tow packages, you're not told your truck has a bench seat until almost the end and then charged $700 for buckets and a console vs a 40/20/40 bench. On a Lariat. I've tried to build a reasonable truck five different times during teleconferences, I've never had two trucks within $2k of each other and I can't figure out wtf I'm missing or adding excessively. I want a 4x4 crew cab 6.5' bed with 1) hybrid/turbo engine 2) push button start 3) remote start 4) adaptive cruise control 5) power heated front buckets 6) skid plates and non-street tires 7) able to tow a 7500lb camper 8) step bars and bed access assistance 9) for two 300lb front occupants and their fat friends. Kharn I get 58,510 for an XLT. |
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Posted: 10/13/2021 10:23:43 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 9) for two 300lb front occupants and their fat friends. Kharn Maybe you should look at the super duty... |
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Posted: 10/13/2021 10:36:38 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe you should look at the super duty... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 9) for two 300lb front occupants and their fat friends. Kharn Maybe you should look at the super duty... I do drive a 3/4 ton Yukon right now, with a maximum gross weight of 8600lbs, the factory sticker says "N/A" for EPA mileage estimates, and instead of a payload number, it gives axle weight limits for when you hit the scales.  But GM stopped making them for civilian sales and all I use the area behind the second row for is tools, luggage, and dirty junk anyway, I don't need the price jump from a crew cab pickup to a Suburban/Yukon XL. GM also only offers "Following Distance Indicator" instead of adaptive cruise control on the reasonable trims, so you get a stupid light to tell you when you're drifting too close to the car ahead of you, unless you drop $75k for a High Country or Denali where you can have the privilege of paying extra for adaptive cruise control. And then you're riding on 20" (Denali) or 22" (High Country) rims because they're ghetto fabulous. Kharn |
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Posted: 10/13/2021 10:54:41 PM EDT
[#39]
Looks like a Chevy had sex with a Nissan.
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Posted: 10/14/2021 8:46:42 AM EDT
[#40]
Quoted: TNGA-F (GA-F) platform spec. Same on the 300's Quoted: Parts commonality. The basic architecture is supposed to be the next Tacoma as well (that has always been 6 lug, along with the older 4x4 pickups, 1st gen Tundra, Land Cruiser etc. Then why did they go out of their way to make the Tundra and LC "uncommon" by going to 5-lug in the first place? |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 9:11:37 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like a Chevy had sex with a Nissan. The SR's grill looks like a pool float got sucked onto a Colorado.  Attached File Attached FileKharn |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 11:23:58 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Then why did they go out of their way to make the Tundra and LC "uncommon" by going to 5-lug in the first place? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: TNGA-F (GA-F) platform spec. Same on the 300's Quoted: Parts commonality. The basic architecture is supposed to be the next Tacoma as well (that has always been 6 lug, along with the older 4x4 pickups, 1st gen Tundra, Land Cruiser etc. Then why did they go out of their way to make the Tundra and LC "uncommon" by going to 5-lug in the first place? No idea. That move confused me too. |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 11:28:05 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/14/2021 8:17:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/15/2021 12:00:58 AM EDT
[#45]
Still waiting on prices….
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Posted: 10/15/2021 6:19:14 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Still waiting on prices…. @rabidus I've read those will be released 10/31 Kharn |
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Posted: 10/15/2021 9:41:11 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dang, my V8 Hemi 3/4 ton got those numbers before I lifted and got larger tires. I can still hit 20-21 on the interstate though.
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Posted: 10/15/2021 9:55:06 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I generally enjoy driving. With cruise, there's just something unsettling to me when I feel the vehicle accelerate with my foot off the pedal. When I was stationed in Georgia, I used to periodically make the 650 mile trip home to Pennsylvania for a long weekend, after a day at work, pulling in at 2-3am. Never touched cruise the whole way. That said, that was a long time ago. My tolerance for those drives has gone down a little as I've gotten older for sure. So you slow down a lot on the highway?
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Posted: 10/15/2021 10:15:58 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I like the looks of the ft end on the Platinum https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/338145/Screenshot_20211014-201543_png-2130038.JPG You had enough time to upload and insert an image but not enough time to type out the word "front" rather than "ft"
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Posted: 10/15/2021 10:20:12 AM EDT
[#50]
 Walk around comparison, 2022 Ram 1500 vs 2022 Toyota Tundra Ram GT payload: 1324lbs Tundra payload stated in this video, 4x4 Crewmax non-hybrid: 1400lbs The TRD Pro has a 1600lb capacity per Toyota, so not sure if they're reading a preproduction sticker or if the Pro gets a boost. And a "belt driven mild hybrid" on the Ram? Is that so when it shits the bed as a fine FCA product, you can just take the belt off?  Holy Heck! I Didn't Expect The 2022 Toyota Tundra To Put Up THESE Numbers! Ep. 4 7.02 second 0-60s and 19.87mpg over 150 mile road trip on the 4x4 Crewmax non-hybrid. ETA:  Driving the 2022 Toyota Tundra: On and Off-Road!!! 1794 Crewmax 4x4 6.5' bed hybrid: 1575lb payload CrewMax Limited with TRD Off-Road Package, non-hybrid: 1605lb payload (I assume TRD Offroad package is 4x4 only?) Kharn |
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