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6/7/2004 9:41:46 AM EDT
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3766863.stm

Satellite images 'show Atlantis'
By Paul Rincon
BBC News Online science staff

A scientist says he may have found remains of the lost city of Atlantis.
Satellite photos of southern Spain reveal features on the ground appearing to match descriptions made by Greek scholar Plato of the fabled utopia.

Dr Rainer Kuehne thinks the "island" of Atlantis simply referred to a region of the southern Spanish coast destroyed by a flood between 800 BC and 500 BC.

The research has been reported as an ongoing project in the online edition of the journal Antiquity.


We have in the photos concentric rings just as Plato described
Dr Rainer Kuehne, University of Wuppertal
Satellite photos of a salt marsh region known as Marisma de Hinojos near the city of Cadiz show two rectangular structures in the mud and parts of concentric rings that may once have surrounded them.
"Plato wrote of an island of five stades (925m) diameter that was surrounded by several circular structures - concentric rings - some consisting of Earth and the others of water. We have in the photos concentric rings just as Plato described," Dr Kuehne told BBC News Online.

Dr Kuehne, of the University of Wuppertal in Germany, believes the rectangular features could be the remains of a "silver" temple devoted to the sea god Poseidon and a "golden" temple devoted to Cleito and Poseidon - all described in Plato's dialogue Critias.

Temples of the sea god

The sizes of the "island" and its rings in the satellite image are slightly larger than those described by Plato. There are two possible explanations for this, says Dr Kuehne.

First, Plato may have underplayed the size of Atlantis. Secondly, the ancient unit of measurement used by Plato - the stade - may have been 20% larger than traditionally assumed.


If the latter is true, one of the rectangular features on the "island" matches almost exactly the dimensions given by Plato for the temple of Poseidon.
The features were originally spotted by Werner Wickboldt, a lecturer and Atlantis enthusiast who studied photographs from across the Mediterranean for signs of the city described by Plato.

"This is the only place that seems to fit [Plato's] description," he told BBC News Online.

Mr Wickboldt added that the Greeks might have confused an Egyptian word referring to a coastline with one meaning "island" during transmission of the Atlantis story.

Commenting on the satellite image showing the two "temples", Tony Wilkinson, an expert in the use of remote sensing in archaeology at the University of Edinburgh, UK, told BBC News Online: "A lot of the problems come with interpretations. I can see something there and I could imagine that one could interpret it in various ways. But you've got several leaps of faith here.

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"We use the imagery to recognise certain types of imprint on the ground and then do [in the field] verification on them. Based on what we see on the ground we make an interpretation.

"What we need here is a date range. Otherwise, you're just dealing with morphology. But the [features] are interesting."

The fabled utopia of Atlantis has captured the imagination of scholars for centuries. The earliest known records of this mythical land appear in Plato's dialogues Critias and Timaios.


His depiction of a land of fabulous wealth, advanced civilisation and natural beauty has spurred many adventurers to seek out its location.
One recent theory equates Atlantis with Spartel Island, a mud shoal in the straits of Gibraltar that sank into the sea 11,000 years ago.

Plato described Atlantis as having a "plain". Dr Kuehne said this might be the plain that extends today from Spain's southern coast up to the city of Seville. The high mountains described by the Greek scholar could be the Sierra Morena and Sierra Nevada.

"Plato also wrote that Atlantis is rich in copper and other metals. Copper is found in abundance in the mines of the Sierra Morena," Dr Kuehne explained.


Dr Kuehne noticed that the war between Atlantis and the eastern Mediterranean described in Plato's writings closely resembled attacks on Egypt, Cyprus and the Levant during the 12th Century BC by mysterious raiders known as the Sea People.
As a result, he proposes that the Atlanteans and the Sea People were in fact one and the same.

This dating would equate the city and society of Atlantis with either the Iron Age Tartessos culture of southern Spain or another, unknown, Bronze Age culture. A link between Atlantis and Tartessos was first proposed in the early 20th Century.

Dr Kuehne said he hoped to attract interest from archaeologists to excavate the site. But this may be tricky. The features in the satellite photo are located within Spain's Donana national park.
6/7/2004 9:45:21 AM EDT
[#1]
[possibly]
6/7/2004 9:59:03 AM EDT
[#2]
Tolkien covered this already, though his geography is a little off.  Fill in the English Channel, and you have The Shire.  Numenor would be offshore a few hundred miles southwest.

"But these things come not into the tale of the Drowning of Numenor, of which now all is told. And even the name of that land perished, and Men spoke thereafter not of Elenna, nor of Andor the Gift that was taken away, nor of Numenore on the confines of the world; but the exiles on the shores of the sea, if they turned towards the West in the desire of their hearts, spoke of Mar-nu-Falmar that was whelmed in the waves, Akallabeth the Downfallen, Atalante in the Eldarin tongue."

"And tales and rumours arose along the shores of the sea concerning mariners and men forlorn upon the water who, by some fate or grace or favour of the Valar, had entered in upon the Straight Way and seen the face of the world sink below them, and so had come to the lamplit quays of Avallone, or verily to the last beaches on the margin of Aman, and there had looked upon the White Mountain, dreadful and beautiful, before they died."

A clear description of the Bermuda Triangle...
6/7/2004 12:54:38 PM EDT
[#3]
i have heard about 5 different times where someone thought they had found it
6/7/2004 1:18:54 PM EDT
[#4]
What a bunch of doubting Thomases.
6/7/2004 1:23:48 PM EDT
[#5]
Everyone knows that the aliens from Atlantis built the Pryamids so their rocket ship would be closer to the moon.  They came back in the 1950 around Roswell,NW.  Which is where the USA got the technology to make our own rocket to go to the moon.  ANd we would have succeed if that damn alien wouldn't have shot at us.



SGatr15
6/7/2004 1:34:34 PM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
What a bunch of doubting Thomases.


Only if it's posted by clean_cut.
6/7/2004 1:35:48 PM EDT
[#7]
Quoted:
Quoted:
What a bunch of doubting Thomases.


Only if it's posted by clean_cut.



I have never lied to AR15.com.
6/7/2004 3:17:50 PM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
What a bunch of doubting Thomases.


yea ok man, get a life and a clue. You just cant assume its Atlantis because of some crappy sat images.

Your proof is mearly speculation and until you do get proof dont post a topic stating that 'Atlantis found' as fact when in 'fact' it isnt and dont expect not to get shit on because of it.

Later
6/7/2004 3:28:15 PM EDT
[#9]
does it have a gate and dhd?
because atlantis was a city of the ancients and their city would have a stargate since they built the gate system
6/7/2004 3:32:32 PM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
does it have a gate and dhd?
because atlantis was a city of the ancients and their city would have a stargate since they built the gate system


Yeah, where is the Stargate.
6/7/2004 3:41:38 PM EDT
[#11]
In the Temple, where else!




Vulcan94
6/7/2004 4:50:20 PM EDT
[#12]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
What a bunch of doubting Thomases.


Only if it's posted by clean_cut.



I have never lied to AR15.com.


And neither have I

sgtar15
6/7/2004 5:54:54 PM EDT
[#13]
I beleive the story of Atlantis is fiction told by a great story teller.  

Just imagine 3,000 years from now someone finds a copy of H.G. Wells "War of the Worlds".  Does this mean that we were really invaded by Mars?



Bobwrench
6/7/2004 6:28:30 PM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:
I beleive the story of Atlantis is fiction told by a great story teller.  

Just imagine 3,000 years from now someone finds a copy of H.G. Wells "War of the Worlds".  Does this mean that we were really invaded by Mars?

Bobwrench
duh, this happened in 1987.  you don't remember it because of the brain waves(which the military called "the fozz").  Wells got his information from Nostradamus.

EDIT: check out the article, the pic doesn't look like anything
6/7/2004 6:33:16 PM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:
I beleive the story of Atlantis is fiction told by a great story teller.  




Bobwrench


I buy it. People said the same about Troy for a very long time before its discovery.
We'll find it, or evidence of it someday.  Legends like this are almost always rooted in truth.
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