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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:11:14 AM EDT
looks like reloaders are going to be out of supply for a while
 Jason Vanderbrink, President of Federal, CCI, Speer and Remington Addresses Your Questions |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:13:59 AM EDT
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Does anyone actually believe that the number one question had anything to do with the health of the workers?
This is bs propaganda |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:14:52 AM EDT
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I would a month old dupe but the archives are closed.
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:15:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would a month old dupe but the archives are closed. video was posted this morning your thinking of the previous video A+ for effort though |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:17:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does anyone actually believe that the number one question had anything to do with the health of the workers? This is bs propaganda That lack of empathy got Biden into the White House.
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:18:26 AM EDT
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No surprise. It's always like that.
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:22:00 AM EDT
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Can't watch at work, someone give me a rundown?
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:24:07 AM EDT
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Can't watch at work, someone give me a rundown? He said they made more hunting ammo in 2020 than in the 99 year history of the company. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:24:23 AM EDT
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What a douche....keep talking like a sock puppet and I’ll go find and buy my stuff else where.
Why are you treating your employees like POW’s? |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:25:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can't watch at work, someone give me a rundown? No increase in production due to lack of demand before panic All stuff we already know |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:25:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can't watch at work, someone give me a rundown? Primers are gone because the primers that used to go on the market for reloaders are now being used for them to make ammo. And they're making ammo as fast as they can. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:26:33 AM EDT
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Seems to be that they could have started new facilities several years ago when the demand started going up, but I suspect they enjoy the added revenue they can charge with the current demand more than making it available and cheap again.
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:26:51 AM EDT
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Okay, so excess primer capacity is now an intraplant transfer. Assume the same thing with cases and boolits. What's the bottleneck now? Machine time? Supply chain? Labor?
I think this dude in the video sucks at forecasting. Everything he does is reaction, not being proactive. Does he really think that demand will be less in the future than it is now? Those machines might as well be stamping out gold coins. I'd be ruthless when it comes to increasing capacity. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:29:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can't watch at work, someone give me a rundown? We made all the ammo we could, and it wasn't enough. We're working on it. Women and minorities hunt. We're keeping the primers to ourselves so we can keep up with the demand for factory ammo. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:29:41 AM EDT
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Although those companies make great ammo and raw components it’s just not good for the industry as a whole for one company to control so much of the market.The start up cost and regulatory hurdles must be extremely high because it seems like someone would tool up and start making primers.
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:29:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What a douche....keep talking like a sock puppet and I’ll go find and buy my stuff else where. Why are you treating your employees like POW’s? What magic supplier are you going to go to? Primer imports don't seem to be flooding into the country right now. Not enough to matter anyway. A couple of panics ago, Wolf eventually trickled in enough to keep us going (at higher cost). |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:31:14 AM EDT
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Im surprised they cant crank out primers relatively easy
I mean its a metal cup with some sensitive boom powder and a anvil on top |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:32:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Jason Vanderbrink, President of Federal, CCI, Speer and Remington, addresses your questions regarding safety and health of our employees, availability of hunting loads, primers and more with this ammo demand update. He said they made more hunting ammo in 2020 than in the 99 year history of the company. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Can't watch at work, someone give me a rundown? Jason Vanderbrink, President of Federal, CCI, Speer and Remington, addresses your questions regarding safety and health of our employees, availability of hunting loads, primers and more with this ammo demand update. He said they made more hunting ammo in 2020 than in the 99 year history of the company. And most importantly their employees and their families are safe from Rice Rabies. They sold more “hunting” ammo because more people are out hunting because it’s a great way to social distance...... They are not going to build new factories and the primers you get as reloaders are excess capacity primers. What a tool. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:32:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That lack of empathy got Biden into the White House. Election fraud had a bigger influence. 
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:33:47 AM EDT
[#19]
If there was a glut of supply for three years, why didn't prices reflect that? I didn't buy much at all in 8 years because prices never approached 2012 levels. I never expected 2003 levels, but $300/cs was too rich to me for 3moa ammo.
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:34:22 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:35:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Im surprised they cant crank out primers relatively easy I mean its a metal cup with some sensitive boom powder and a anvil on top The chemical slurry that goes into primers is a mix of something like 14 different things. 3-4 of which ONLY come from Xina land. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:36:21 AM EDT
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Why hasn't there been a flood of wolf/barnul/pmc etc? Is component shortage world wide?
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:36:40 AM EDT
[#23]
He must have received some PR training since the first video. Didn't sound so whiney this time.
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:36:45 AM EDT
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Yes, add more production capability for primers so it can sit idle next time ammo and reloading is back to low again just like every other fucking panic so far. 2 years ago it was cheap and people didn't stock up. After a mass shooting or election it goes up, then comes down. Plan ahead people. Not a companies job to take all the risk of adding new shit to keep you supplied when you didn't plan ahead enough.
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:37:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What magic supplier are you going to go to? Primer imports don't seem to be flooding into the country right now. Not enough to matter anyway. A couple of panics ago, Wolf eventually trickled in enough to keep us going (at higher cost). Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What a douche....keep talking like a sock puppet and I’ll go find and buy my stuff else where. Why are you treating your employees like POW’s? What magic supplier are you going to go to? Primer imports don't seem to be flooding into the country right now. Not enough to matter anyway. A couple of panics ago, Wolf eventually trickled in enough to keep us going (at higher cost). Given a choice it won’t be them. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:37:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He must have received some PR training since the first video. Didn't sound so whiney this time. He's still doing the goofy hand gestures. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:39:41 AM EDT
[#27]
Health of their employees never crossed my mind. I must be a horrible person.
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:40:02 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No increase in production due to lack of demand before panic Which is a complete lie. There has been an ammo shortage since Sandy Hook. The real reason is if you keep the supply low then you can raise your prices. Sandy Hook was 8 years ago and people have been scrambling to buy ammo since. In 2019 the shelves were finally getting back to the point of being fully stocked as supply was starting to finally catch up. That was 7 years of a high demand from all the new shooters due to Obama promising gun control after Sandy Hook. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:41:11 AM EDT
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Jeebus Criminy, that guy is horrible as a spokesperson.
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:42:32 AM EDT
[#30]
I'm still crying about Wolf primer availability, fuck those other brands. I don't even remember what happened it's been so long, did Obama ban the import or something.
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:43:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He must have received some PR training since the first video. Didn't sound so whiney this time. Still mono-tone and sounds condescending. His presentation in his video causes me to generally dislike him. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:43:43 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, add more production capability for primers so it can sit idle next time ammo and reloading is back to low again just like every other fucking panic so far. 2 years ago it was cheap and people didn't stock up. After a mass shooting or election it goes up, then comes down. Plan ahead people. Not a companies job to take all the risk of adding new shit to keep you supplied when you didn't plan ahead enough. Theres no point in arguing. The people who think they know the industry better than Federal are the same kind of people who play Microsoft Flight simulator and then come on here & argue with real pilots. They’re not going to listen to facts. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:45:10 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Which is a complete lie. There has been an ammo shortage since Sandy Hook. The real reason is if you keep the supply low then you can raise your prices. Sandy Hook was 8 years ago and people have been scrambling to buy ammo since. In 2019 the shelves were finally getting back to the point of being fully stocked as supply was starting to finally catch up. That was 7 years of a high demand from all the new shooters due to Obama promising gun control after Sandy Hook. What are you talking about? 2017 and 2018 was some of the best ammo buying ever, they where almost paying us to take it. How quickly you all forget. lol |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:48:39 AM EDT
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Gun companies invested in more production during panics of old. They took on long term debt for short term gains. When the market relaxed back to normal demand, they had excess capacity, too much debt and no way to the pay the debt off.
Ammo manufacturers would be morons to fall into the same trap. You don't take on long term debt to serve a short term bubble. You put out as much ammo as you possibly can and work to the bone, but you don't take on debt. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:49:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seems to be that they could have started new facilities several years ago when the demand started going up, but I suspect they enjoy the added revenue they can charge with the current demand more than making it available and cheap again. The gnashing of teeth from the ammo poors here is hilarious. They are my favorite threads on arf right now. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:50:08 AM EDT
[#36]
Prior to last year I normally kept 2 to 3K primers on hand.
I now have 10K on hand. Most on this forum have much more. I know I'm part of the problem and that's why I refuse to blame the manufacturers for the current crisis. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:50:25 AM EDT
[#37]
Get to work please!
Thank you |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:50:56 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Does anyone actually believe that the number one question had anything to do with the health of the workers? This is bs propaganda "Are you motherfuckers making anything or did you all die?" |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:51:13 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Seems to be that they could have started new facilities several years ago when the demand started going up, but I suspect they enjoy the added revenue they can charge with the current demand more than making it available and cheap again. If so they would have been kicking themselves in 2018 and 2019 when you could barely give guns and ammo away. How quickly we forget the salad days. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:52:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Although those companies make great ammo and raw components it’s just not good for the industry as a whole for one company to control so much of the market.The start up cost and regulatory hurdles must be extremely high because it seems like someone would tool up and start making primers. This. Rattling off all the products they are responsible for was a holy shit moment. They make everything. 
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:52:58 AM EDT
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Man, everyone is bagging on this guy hard for some reason. They're obviously working to capacity and likely not interested in turning away sales. However building a new factory is 10's (if not100's) of millions, and years of investment that may not be needed when the market pulls back. Plus, if there is any major gun legislation it could put a big dent in any future sales/capacity needs. If he said they're building a new factory in every state starting now, people would be pissed it wasn't already done next week. Lot of people sound like spoiled children/libs demanding a company ask "how high" as soon you you say jump. This is what a panic looks like and it's nothing new.
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:53:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If there was a glut of supply for three years, why didn't prices reflect that? I didn't buy much at all in 8 years because prices never approached 2012 levels. I never expected 2003 levels, but $300/cs was too rich to me for 3moa ammo. Aguila 9mm in 2010- $200 per case of 1,000 Aguila 9mm in 2018- $180 per case of 1,000 IMI 556 in 2012- $359 per case of 1,200 IMI 556 in 2018- $290 per case of 1,200 I have receipts for these prices. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:55:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, add more production capability for primers so it can sit idle next time ammo and reloading is back to low again just like every other fucking panic so far. 2 years ago it was cheap and people didn't stock up. After a mass shooting or election it goes up, then comes down. Plan ahead people. Not a companies job to take all the risk of adding new shit to keep you supplied when you didn't plan ahead enough. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:55:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can't watch at work, someone give me a rundown? We can't manufacture ammo because of Common Cold 2020 Jay |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:56:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Gun companies invested in more production during panics of old. They took on long term debt for short term gains. When the market relaxed back to normal demand, they had excess capacity, too much debt and no way to the pay the debt off. Ammo manufacturers would be morons to fall into the same trap. You don't take on long term debt to serve a short term bubble. You put out as much ammo as you possibly can and work to the bone, but you don't take on debt. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:57:33 AM EDT
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I guess this means the planet is going to be a quiet place with out all that indiscriminate small arms fire.
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Posted: 1/21/2021 12:04:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What a douche....keep talking like a sock puppet and I’ll go find and buy my stuff else where. Why are you treating your employees like POW’s? So do you want Jason to call you, or no? |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 12:05:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What are you talking about? 2017 and 2018 was some of the best ammo buying ever, they where almost paying us to take it. How quickly you all forget. lol I do not recall ammo prices so cheap they were almost paying us to take it. Ever. I do recall panics that wiped the shelves out a few times of most calibers due to shootings and election stuff. But I never recall a point where there is not one box of ammo of any caliber on a shelf. Zero calibers on the shelf now. No 12 gauge. No .357 sig. no .357 magnum. No hunting calibers. I check the stores around me. They are not getting ammo in. At all. Where is it going then? I can care less about a video that spends time talking about covid safety protocols and increased hunting as to why there is no ammo. They are making massive profits at this point. The prices we are seeing are going to push people out of the shooting sports if this goes on long term. Having a ammo fort stashed away is great but are you still shooting every week or month like you used to? I’m not. I ran across some 9mm for $16-$20 a box in Kansas City and I picked up a box. It went into the stock pile. I have been holding on to my money for any calibers I have yet to see in months. I have yet to see .40, .45, .38 anywhere. I have a stockpile of that as well but I can not continue my 500 round monthly training sessions with my .38 at this rate. I hope this ammo situation comes back to normal in the future. I’m trying to stay positive. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 12:06:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Man, everyone is bagging on this guy hard for some reason. They're obviously working to capacity and likely not interested in turning away sales. However building a new factory is 10's (if not100's) of millions, and years of investment that may not be needed when the market pulls back. Plus, if there is any major gun legislation it could put a big dent in any future sales/capacity needs. If he said they're building a new factory in every state starting now, people would be pissed it wasn't already done next week. Lot of people sound like spoiled children/libs demanding a company ask "how high" as soon you you say jump. This is what a panic looks like and it's nothing new. THIS. I have a few manufacturing clients that I have discussed the ammo shortage with. Two of them have first-hand knowledge of companies that went under AFTER rushing to capture market demand in their product space, and when the demand waned, they had excess production capacity with no demand to meet it. Debt service on the production expansion wiped them out ultimately. And it was a painful and costly death. They tried to stave off the downing with cost-cutting that started with layoffs, then debt restructuring, then receivership, then nothing. The time horizon for these production expansions is measured in YEARS, not months. To do so otherwise is a huge gamble, amounting to a guess. You cant make a $50 million dollar guess and expect to be around for any length of time. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 12:10:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Im surprised they cant crank out primers relatively easy I mean its a metal cup with some sensitive boom powder and a anvil on top Are they hiring, I could pocked handfuls of primers while working
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