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Posted: 1/21/2021 12:24:47 PM EDT
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After the shooting, a ton of grant funding came open for security enhancements.
Plus, that's a fertile test bed for R&D, casino gets the stuff for free, Sandia or whoever gets a free flow of people and real-world environments. Also, without having *any* casino experience, I can tell you a lot of times shit tier cameras are left in place when better and smaller ones go in. Leads to a false sense of 'I know where the cameras are and aren't' Radio frequency detection of items has been around for a long time, but until TSA started waving blank checks, it wasn't really widely deployed. No telling what's cutting edge now. If that thing was down in the boot, and his pants went to his ankles... that would be hard to catch, especially one of the .22 revolvers. A walkthrough mag would catch it for certain if it were tuned correctly and someone was paying attention to the monitor. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 12:32:56 PM EDT
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One of my very long time close friends is a Casino Resort Security Director here in Las Vegas. He is it when it comes to all security decisions that happen on property.
It is true, some (very few right now) are using the a microwave detection system. It is decently accurate and is put at every entrance. It is very cost prohibited right now, but as the tech gets cheaper is will be harder and harder to bring something in. The systems has a few weaknesses that a firearm can slip through, but you have to know what you are doing, and be gifted certain genetics I.E. the taller you are the harder it is to scan you, if you are short you are F'ed. I know of a few southern CA casinos that have installed this system, and only one or two in Vegas. Sucks as Vegas is turning very vibrant and the big casinos suck right now with security. My friend is having a hard time with exterior patrols. He is having to dedicate more officers to the outside than inside, which clashes with casino management. My guy is super pro carry, and is pissed that these casinos are spending millions to secure for a problem that almost never happens. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 12:33:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Be pretty hard for this little gun to print through leather and denim. We are not private anymore. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 12:42:00 PM EDT
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I carried OWB in half the strip in 17, just wore a Hawaiian shirt most of the time.
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Posted: 1/21/2021 12:54:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Found this info. You are being microwaved in a casino. https://www.wired.com/story/the-las-vegas-resort-using-microwaves-to-keep-guns-out-of-its-casino/ The Las Vegas Resort Using Microwaves to Keep Guns Out of its Casino The technology uses a discreet microwave radar system to scan people for guns, knives, and bombs without forcing them to walk through metal detectors. https://media.wired.com/photos/5a2add999b5b795064480f33/master/w_2560%2Cc_limit/vegasweapons-TA.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Found this info. You are being microwaved in a casino. https://www.wired.com/story/the-las-vegas-resort-using-microwaves-to-keep-guns-out-of-its-casino/ The Las Vegas Resort Using Microwaves to Keep Guns Out of its Casino The technology uses a discreet microwave radar system to scan people for guns, knives, and bombs without forcing them to walk through metal detectors. https://media.wired.com/photos/5a2add999b5b795064480f33/master/w_2560%2Cc_limit/vegasweapons-TA.jpg "I believe in people's right to bear arms," Waltrip says. "I have a concealed carry permit myself. But, you know, on our properties, we want to maintain a safe environment, and we don't need guests bringing weapons on site. We really don't want that kind of surprise." "I believe in people's right to bear arms, BUT..." Fuck that guy. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 12:56:05 PM EDT
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When that cocktail waitress kept rubbing up against him, she was frisking him.
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Posted: 1/21/2021 1:17:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Every casino around here you have to walk through waste high scanners when you walk in. They don't look like scanners to most people but they are. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 1:23:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fry while you try.  Well, there you go. After Las Vegas, I guess you can't blame them for being a little bit nervous. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 1:30:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, they probably have an xray type machine detecting firearms and knives. A casino has the money to spend on new tech like that. But what about a customer with a pacemaker? I thought x-rays would fuck their shit up. Or microwaves. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 1:42:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. There's no way they could get away with subjecting people to x-ray exposure, but microwaves and millimeter wave is fair game. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Found this info. You are being microwaved in a casino. https://www.wired.com/story/the-las-vegas-resort-using-microwaves-to-keep-guns-out-of-its-casino/ The Las Vegas Resort Using Microwaves to Keep Guns Out of its Casino The technology uses a discreet microwave radar system to scan people for guns, knives, and bombs without forcing them to walk through metal detectors. https://media.wired.com/photos/5a2add999b5b795064480f33/master/w_2560%2Cc_limit/vegasweapons-TA.jpg Yep. There's no way they could get away with subjecting people to x-ray exposure, but microwaves and millimeter wave is fair game. What if a person has a pacemaker and it causes his heart to stop? |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 1:45:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But what about a customer with a pacemaker? I thought x-rays would fuck their shit up. Or microwaves. If any of that were true, you'd be seeing the ads from non-attorney spokesmen in heavy rotation where ever you get your entertainment.... Have you or someone you love been killed when you were just trying to microwave your coffee and suddenly your pacemaker started the opening bars of 'Kickstart my heart'?... You may be entitled to... The issue is that to program and download data from some of the internal ones you put a device with a coil on it next to where the pacemaker is, similar to how wireless phone charging works. Theoretically, you wouldn't want to be exposed to high magnetic or RF fields due to an induced current, but I am betting that is almost never. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 1:45:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's because only soibois carry FiveSevens, so they knew you weren't actually a threat.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The wife and i were just at the Hard Rock Casino, they added a fuck ton of scanners, they look like FLIR cameras when you walk by them. I was ccing a FiveseveN and nobody said shit.. That's because only soibois carry FiveSevens, so they knew you weren't actually a threat. This. They would probably even let him use it in the Pop-a-Balloon booth dart game to win his girl..or himself, a Boy George carnival mirror.
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Posted: 1/21/2021 1:54:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Casino security technology is GREATLY exaggerated. You can go into lots of Vegas casinos and still see ancient cameras hanging from the ceiling of many of the older joints. Hardly cutting edge tech. All casino security depends on striking the balance of cost and the appearance of intrusion for the guests. Here's what really happened: 1) Your buddy drew attention to himself one way or another. Maybe he did something or maybe he just looks like a certain kind of guy that draws attention. Either way, he's no gray man. 2) Casino security decided to have a closer look and zoomed in on your buddy with a PTZ camera. They saw that your buddy was printing or his gun was exposed wall moving, sitting, or otherwise. They can do that much with 90s era PTZ cameras just fine. 3) They came over and confronted him and asked him to leave. My girlfriend used to be a slots supervisor at a larger casino here in MI. It's mostly what you said above. The cameras imaging would be pretty much completely washed out by all the lights in the casino. Especially on the gaming floor. Mostly it was foot security and the "idea" that the casino had super tech that caught people and made people compliant. Some casinos have top of the line tech, but hardly all. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 1:57:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Another thought because of the old school shoe roulette computers, and maybe magnet detectors for the same reasons they might have metal detectors around the base of the tables. It might have picked it up. Then their assumption when they get a hit is a gun, if the person denies a gun they move on to cheating reasons. I want to know what a "roulette computer" does. The odds are exactly the same for every spin. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 2:04:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I want to know what a "roulette computer" does. The odds are exactly the same for every spin. It was a computer that fit in to your shoes, you moved a toe or something when the wheel turned past a certian spot a few times, same for the ball. It then figured out a 3 or 4 wide spot on the wheel the ball would stop. It was not perfect but pretty good. And it was 1970's tech. http://physics.ucsc.edu/people/eudaemons/layout.html They also make them now for black jack and poker. https://www.casinoplayer.news/blackjack-cheating-device-card-counting-shuffle-analysis/ @FightingHellfish |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 2:15:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What if a person has a pacemaker and it causes his heart to stop? The answer is: What is, it's people for $500 |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 2:17:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It was a computer that fit in to your shoes, you moved a toe or something when the wheel turned past a certian spot a few times, same for the ball. It then figured out a 3 or 4 wide spot on the wheel the ball would stop. It was not perfect but pretty good. And it was 1970's tech. http://physics.ucsc.edu/people/eudaemons/layout.html They also make them now for black jack and poker. https://www.casinoplayer.news/blackjack-cheating-device-card-counting-shuffle-analysis/ @FightingHellfish So the idea was the wheel was slightly off balance? |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 2:19:15 PM EDT
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Been to 20 different casinos and carried every single time. No issues.
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Posted: 1/21/2021 2:39:48 PM EDT
[#19]
When you want to know ask the GD guys. Way better anything else out there, Thanks
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Posted: 1/21/2021 2:52:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There was a Disney Downtown thread here about this. they have something they have set up in the parking lot when it funnels you to the sidewalk to detect it. Looking for a link I remember that post. Yes, Disney is using the scanning technology to detect knives and guns. The sensors are fairly well hidden, so you don't know you are being scanned. It would not surprise me if casinos or other places are using that technology now. And it will suck when its cheap enough for every business to afford. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 2:58:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Should've carried a Glock. Plastic gun... doesn't show up on xrays. "ghost guns" |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 3:04:30 PM EDT
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This demo is pretty convincing on the passive detection systems ability to detect concealed guns and blades.
Those systems are easily built into entry points and most people don't even notice them.  ViewScan Concealed Weapons Detection |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 3:08:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's because only soibois carry FiveSevens, so they knew you weren't actually a threat. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 3:15:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Found this info. You are being microwaved in a casino. https://www.wired.com/story/the-las-vegas-resort-using-microwaves-to-keep-guns-out-of-its-casino/ The Las Vegas Resort Using Microwaves to Keep Guns Out of its Casino The technology uses a discreet microwave radar system to scan people for guns, knives, and bombs without forcing them to walk through metal detectors. https://media.wired.com/photos/5a2add999b5b795064480f33/master/w_2560%2Cc_limit/vegasweapons-TA.jpg I wonder how this would or could affect someone with a heart device? I remember seeing lots of signs back in the day that people with heart devices should not come to certain areas (restaurants etc) unless they no longer have that problem. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 3:17:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Should've carried a Glock. Plastic gun... doesn't show up on xrays. THIS! Be sure to get it via the gun show loophole as well. That would do the trick! |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 3:20:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those are for the covid to scan body temps. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The wife and i were just at the Hard Rock Casino, they added a fuck ton of scanners, they look like FLIR cameras when you walk by them. I was ccing a FiveseveN and nobody said shit.. Those are for the covid to scan body temps. Yeah, i think you are correct. I didnt notice anyone doing manual temp checks, but security funneled everyone coming out of the valet area to a certain area to walk thru where these were set up. It was neat as i watched the people come thru. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 3:22:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So the idea was the wheel was slightly off balance? The ball will travel X distance given a specific velocity, (measured by registering the time factor of a given point on the wheel passing by a fixed point next to the wheel). It's kind of like ballistic calculations. A bullet launched at a given velocity can be expected to travel a certain distance. @FightingHellfish |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 3:23:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So the idea was the wheel was slightly off balance? No it just took known physics and used them. Ie if the wheel is turning this fast for the first turn, this fast for the second turn, this fast for the third. you can figure out with a good chance where its going to stop. same for the ball, now you just put those two together. If you changed the weight of the ball, or the weight of the wheel it does not matter, as your using the actual speed of the wheel and the ball. The only thing that can really throw it off is a tilted wheel, Ie the ball falls off due to the tilt, not its speed. @FightingHellfish |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 3:24:01 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They have the scanning tech and it's coming for everyone everywhere.  https://www.wired.com/story/the-las-vegas-resort-using-microwaves-to-keep-guns-out-of-its-casino/ ETA bet by SWIRE If the Casinos in the article are actually using this tech it doesn’t work worth shit. I CC’d my g19 in 2 of the three just last week. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 3:26:06 PM EDT
[#30]
I’ve carried in multiple casino’s in LA and never had that happen to me. Honestly sounds like someone spotted it
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Posted: 1/21/2021 3:26:42 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I carried OWB in half the strip in 17, just wore a Hawaiian shirt most of the time. You'd be crucified for that now. Boogaloo much? Surprised Hawaiian shirts haven't been linked to appropriations of islanders. CLOWN WORLD! |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 3:32:36 PM EDT
[#32]
headed to the casino, see you guys later
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Posted: 1/21/2021 3:34:22 PM EDT
[#33]
There is a pretty neat video of a former casino dealer out there who could shuffle the deck with over 99% accuracy in half and card for card. He would take a new deck of cards, ask people how many times to shuffle it, then ask them to cut the deck. after seeing the first card, he could call out the next 51 cards perfectly 99% of the time. If he got one off he could immediately correct the rest of the cards, even if the error was in the first few shuffles.
He said in the video he was good up to 9 shuffles, but was working on getting to 11. He said it was all math in his head, not cards. He had basically programmed his brain to do the algorithm and not think about the actual card, it was all based on deck location, ie the 7th card, would wind up in the 32 location after 7 shuffles. ( not the actual card or location just an example ) But a new deck is known for what card is where. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 3:36:56 PM EDT
[#34]
Disney uses something similar when you enter their parks
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Posted: 1/21/2021 4:00:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I worked in the Vegas casinos for a few years after I graduated college, specifically Caesars Palace and Wynn. At caesars I did a stint in Risk Management where I had pretty much free reign on going anywhere and everywhere in the hotel, casino and restaurants. I can tell you there were several “areas” that I was not allowed in that I can only assume were security areas that they were incredibly strict about. One area I dealt a lot with were incidents and fights where we had to review video footage of what happened. There are different levels of security cameras in the casinos. The ones I were exposed to and used were NOT the “eye in the sky” security cameras that the big boys use. I say all that to echo what others have said - the casinos have money and technology. I wouldn’t be surprised in the least if they have some sort of X-ray / fire arm detector crap going on. Did you guys watch the hookers working the bars? |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 4:04:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No it just took known physics and used them. Ie if the wheel is turning this fast for the first turn, this fast for the second turn, this fast for the third. you can figure out with a good chance where its going to stop. same for the ball, now you just put those two together. If you changed the weight of the ball, or the weight of the wheel it does not matter, as your using the actual speed of the wheel and the ball. The only thing that can really throw it off is a tilted wheel, Ie the ball falls off due to the tilt, not its speed. @FightingHellfish Well cool. What are those guys doing with the casinos that they own now from the winnings gotten by beating roulette? |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 4:10:59 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Still illegal. Casinos are all regulated by the Fed. Only casino security and peace officers, limited by jurisdiction and recognition by the casino. Not all peace officers. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Tell you buddy to get a Concealed Carry badge and keep it in his wallet. The same cameras that can detect a firearm can detect the badge. Modern problems require modern solutions. Still illegal. Casinos are all regulated by the Fed. Only casino security and peace officers, limited by jurisdiction and recognition by the casino. Not all peace officers. please cite the federal laws/regs that prohibit CCW'ers from carrying in casinos |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 4:12:45 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There is a pretty neat video of a former casino dealer out there who could shuffle the deck with over 99% accuracy in half and card for card. He would take a new deck of cards, ask people how many times to shuffle it, then ask them to cut the deck. after seeing the first card, he could call out the next 51 cards perfectly 99% of the time. If he got one off he could immediately correct the rest of the cards, even if the error was in the first few shuffles. He said in the video he was good up to 9 shuffles, but was working on getting to 11. He said it was all math in his head, not cards. He had basically programmed his brain to do the algorithm and not think about the actual card, it was all based on deck location, ie the 7th card, would wind up in the 32 location after 7 shuffles. ( not the actual card or location just an example ) But a new deck is known for what card is where. He is why the dealers wash the new cards before they shuffle. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 4:13:33 PM EDT
[#39]
I’ve allegedly ccw’d in a casino before. No issues, allegedly.
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Posted: 1/21/2021 4:20:57 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well cool. What are those guys doing with the casinos that they own now from the winnings gotten by beating roulette? I dont understand the question. If your asking what did they do with all the winnings, well either you got caught because of other tech, or being greedy. Or you just learned to blend in and make a grand a week extra to make life easier. Many years ago I studied and read alot about cheating at gambling. The casinos know the odds, you might get lucky one day and make 20 grand on a couple of lucky card hands, or craps games. They dont care about that, but if you consistently make 2 grand every time you show up, thats another story. There are games that are lucky and odds, and there are games you can effect the luck and odds, but not enough to be consistent. If you do better than consistent they start looking at you. Depending on who you talk to black jack as a 1.5 to 2.5 % house take if you play the standard rules, dont hit over 17, dont split, etc. Start doing things like splits every time and the house makes out better. If you follow the smart play rules you can lower that to about 1% house take. Where this works out is you can go in with a 1000 bucks play all night and walk out with 950 of it left, but one good run you can walk out with 1500. This means if you have one good run every 5 trips you win, you have one good run every 11 trips the casino wins. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 4:23:02 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He is why the dealers wash the new cards before they shuffle. Exactly, unless you go in to a casino that uses auto shufflers, but even that is predicable |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 4:24:44 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: please cite the federal laws/regs that prohibit CCW'ers from carrying in casinos Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Tell you buddy to get a Concealed Carry badge and keep it in his wallet. The same cameras that can detect a firearm can detect the badge. Modern problems require modern solutions. Still illegal. Casinos are all regulated by the Fed. Only casino security and peace officers, limited by jurisdiction and recognition by the casino. Not all peace officers. please cite the federal laws/regs that prohibit CCW'ers from carrying in casinos  Attached Fileeta: never heard of any fed laws in casinos |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 4:25:33 PM EDT
[#43]
I think California is all tribal gaming, so, actually carrying in that casino was probably illegal.
I used to do surveillance in a tribal casino, and guns were technically illegal on all tribal properties without a permit from the tribe, including the casino. That said, when people did get caught bringing in a CCW, Security just told them to keep it in their car (derp) or take it home. How he got caught? Either printing or one of the new microwave detectors some of the Las Vegas properties have (don't ask me how they work). |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 4:26:25 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Still illegal. Casinos are all regulated by the Fed. Only casino security and peace officers, limited by jurisdiction and recognition by the casino. Not all peace officers.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 4:47:29 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I dont understand the question. If your asking what did they do with all the winnings, well either you got caught because of other tech, or being greedy. Or you just learned to blend in and make a grand a week extra to make life easier. Many years ago I studied and read alot about cheating at gambling. The casinos know the odds, you might get lucky one day and make 20 grand on a couple of lucky card hands, or craps games. They dont care about that, but if you consistently make 2 grand every time you show up, thats another story. There are games that are lucky and odds, and there are games you can effect the luck and odds, but not enough to be consistent. If you do better than consistent they start looking at you. Depending on who you talk to black jack as a 1.5 to 2.5 % house take if you play the standard rules, dont hit over 17, dont split, etc. Start doing things like splits every time and the house makes out better. If you follow the smart play rules you can lower that to about 1% house take. Where this works out is you can go in with a 1000 bucks play all night and walk out with 950 of it left, but one good run you can walk out with 1500. This means if you have one good run every 5 trips you win, you have one good run every 11 trips the casino wins. Roulette and blackjack are two entirely different animals. I did about 5 minutes of reading about “roulette computers” after learning about them here, and it looks like the way to profit with roulette computers is by selling them online to rubes. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 4:51:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I want to know what a "roulette computer" does. The odds are exactly the same for every spin. The odds are the same for every spin, but they also aren't. Where the ball ends up is a factor of how fast it and the wheel are traveling/spinning, and the position of the wheel when the ball is released - this can be considered relatively random before the process starts, but once it is in motion (i.e. all human interaction is over) it becomes much more predictable. A roulette computer would take as inputs the times when the wheel reached a certain point (giving speed and position info) and similar data on the ball, and would return an area (perhaps a "quadrant") of the wheel where the ball was more likely to land. It didn't mean you'd win every time (or even 1 in 10), but it could change the odds enough that you'd win more money than you lose. It has been done successfully on occasion. Mike |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 4:54:53 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Still illegal. Casinos are all regulated by the Fed. Only casino security and peace officers, limited by jurisdiction and recognition by the casino. Not all peace officers. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Tell you buddy to get a Concealed Carry badge and keep it in his wallet. The same cameras that can detect a firearm can detect the badge. Modern problems require modern solutions. Still illegal. Casinos are all regulated by the Fed. Only casino security and peace officers, limited by jurisdiction and recognition by the casino. Not all peace officers. Varies by state. In many - only illegal if, once challenged, you refuse to leave. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 4:59:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Should've carried a Glock. Plastic gun... doesn't show up on xrays. Only the Glock 7. It's porcelain, not plastic. And it costs more than you make in a month. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 5:00:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The odds are the same for every spin, but they also aren't. Where the ball ends up is a factor of how fast it and the wheel are traveling/spinning, and the position of the wheel when the ball is released - this can be considered relatively random before the process starts, but once it is in motion (i.e. all human interaction is over) it becomes much more predictable. A roulette computer would take as inputs the times when the wheel reached a certain point (giving speed and position info) and similar data on the ball, and would return an area (perhaps a "quadrant") of the wheel where the ball was more likely to land. It didn't mean you'd win every time (or even 1 in 10), but it could change the odds enough that you'd win more money than you lose. It has been done successfully on occasion. Mike Accurately acquiring that data in the field would seem pretty challenging. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 5:03:37 PM EDT
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