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Posted: 1/24/2021 12:33:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Spent 2 weeks in Zagreb and surrounding area. This would absolutely be on my short list. Extremely western/first-world, very safe, Mediterranean climate, and stupid cheap compared to here. Restaurants & breweries/etc in Zagreb were just phenomenal; better than most US cities. You’d never have guessed the Yugoslav wars were a thing just 30 years ago. I could live the rest of my life there if I had a job lined up and things got bad enough here. The only reason those wars are 30 years in the past, is because NATO and the US are still there keeping the peace. If we pull out, the wars will start right back up. Around 2019 we had to stop an invasion of B-H. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 12:34:48 AM EDT
[#2]
Costa Rica. I have several friends that have moved there. Love it.
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Posted: 1/24/2021 12:44:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe Honduras since they all seem to be moving here. 
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Posted: 1/24/2021 12:48:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Estonia is right on the sea, so while I'm sure gets chilly in the winter it doesn't get North Dakota cold. Even if you are not sexual active, know that Estonia has a crazy high HIV rate for some reason. "In Estonia, 1.3 percent of adults are HIV positive — the highest percentage among all the countries in the European Union. Almost half of new infections are due to injecting drug use, although sexual transmission has increased steadily since 2000" https://www.aidshealth.org/global/estonia/#:~:text=In%20Estonia%2C%201.3%20percent%20of,has%20increased%20steadily%20since%202000 |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 12:51:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hungary. Its beautiful in some places, cool history, the US dollar goes along ways, good looking women, they like their beer, people speak enough English, doesn't get to cold in the winter, you can own guns for self defense/sporting/hunting, and its a democracy. I hate that the rest of these retards keep suggesting retirement in non white countries. Like, if shit sucks here now, why the fuck would you willingly venture into more of it. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 8:40:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Even if you are not sexual active, know that Estonia has a crazy high HIV rate for some reason. "In Estonia, 1.3 percent of adults are HIV positive — the highest percentage among all the countries in the European Union. Almost half of new infections are due to injecting drug use, although sexual transmission has increased steadily since 2000" https://www.aidshealth.org/global/estonia/#:~:text=In%20Estonia%2C%201.3%20percent%20of,has%20increased%20steadily%20since%202000 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Estonia is right on the sea, so while I'm sure gets chilly in the winter it doesn't get North Dakota cold. Even if you are not sexual active, know that Estonia has a crazy high HIV rate for some reason. "In Estonia, 1.3 percent of adults are HIV positive — the highest percentage among all the countries in the European Union. Almost half of new infections are due to injecting drug use, although sexual transmission has increased steadily since 2000" https://www.aidshealth.org/global/estonia/#:~:text=In%20Estonia%2C%201.3%20percent%20of,has%20increased%20steadily%20since%202000 So, wrap it before you tap it? 
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Posted: 1/24/2021 10:18:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I hate that the rest of these retards keep suggesting retirement in non white countries. Like, if shit sucks here now, why the fuck would you willingly venture into more of it. In lots of "non white" cultures, white is either neutral or good. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:41:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In lots of "non white" cultures, white is either neutral or good. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I hate that the rest of these retards keep suggesting retirement in non white countries. Like, if shit sucks here now, why the fuck would you willingly venture into more of it. In lots of "non white" cultures, white is either neutral or good. You'd trust your kids safety to that statement? |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:53:23 AM EDT
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Costa Rica is the one place outside the USA Mrs Procat and I have discussed. Lots of random expat communities in the countryside. Beautiful country with tons of stuff to do.
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Posted: 1/24/2021 12:26:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You'd trust your kids safety to that statement? Look around you at what’s going on in this country and then ask me that again. I don’t care what color skin the predominant population has. It is more about values, culture, morality, etc and in almost all aspects the US is headed in the wrong direction. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 12:27:04 PM EDT
[#11]
chile or argentina.
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Posted: 1/24/2021 12:33:14 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: chile or argentina. Lol. Both of these are insane suggestions. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 12:33:58 PM EDT
[#13]
If you have an income stream, that will survive leaving the US, you can live pretty well in a lot of other countries.
Quoted: Look around you at what’s going on in this country and then ask me that again. I don’t care what color skin the predominant population has. It is more about values, culture, morality, etc and in almost all aspects the US is headed in the wrong direction. That's why I say the Bahamas. Every time I'm there, I realize I have lot more in common with the Bahamians and their values and culture, than with those that are prevailing in the US. And, I'm pretty darned white. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 12:38:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You'd trust your kids safety to that statement? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I hate that the rest of these retards keep suggesting retirement in non white countries. Like, if shit sucks here now, why the fuck would you willingly venture into more of it. In lots of "non white" cultures, white is either neutral or good. You'd trust your kids safety to that statement? Who takes there kids with them when they retire? |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 12:42:12 PM EDT
[#15]
My family owns land in Panama. My mom's friend sold her business and she and her husband moved to Panama and they love it.
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Posted: 1/24/2021 12:45:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would love to do that for Poland, but the proof required and process sounds like a bitch. @Sparky It can be a challenging process. Doing it for Italy cost me about three grand and took me about ten years, all said and done. (It could have been done faster, but it was just a side project.) Lots of sending off forms and requests and waiting weeks for them to get returned. That said, if your Polish ancestor was relatively recent, it might not be too bad. You can probably order most of the American vital records you need via VitalChek. The plus side to the project is that my entire family--parents, siblings, aunts and uncles, etc.--could piggyback on my efforts, so now we're all recognized dual citizens. It's pretty comforting to know I don't have to worry about leaving family behind if it ever gets bad enough that we have to leave. I view it as similar to concealed carry--I hope I never need it, but if I ever do, I'm going to be really fucking happy I jumped through the hoops when I did. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 12:53:12 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Who takes there kids with them when they retire? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I hate that the rest of these retards keep suggesting retirement in non white countries. Like, if shit sucks here now, why the fuck would you willingly venture into more of it. In lots of "non white" cultures, white is either neutral or good. You'd trust your kids safety to that statement? Who takes there kids with them when they retire? The OP in this particular example. I posted on page one or two what my thoughts and suggestions for retirement places are. Of course, the decision is his and I wish him the best in any case. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 1:01:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not easy or quick to get a gun license and quite restricted. I knew a few expats that had them. If you ever used it for self defense at least you would be alive...in prison. How sure are you of this? Everything I've read is that it takes a while, but other than that is relatively simple to get, compared to other foreign countries. You need to be a resident, submit a DNA sample, take a drug test, and get a psychological exam. And once your firearms permit is issued, it automatically includes concealed carry. That's less restricted than Hawaii. In terms of self defense, the main risk seems to be that Panama presumes guilt in court, and the burden is on the defendant to prove that the shooting was justified, which sucks. But, that isn't the case if you shoot somebody in your own home. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 3:19:29 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @Sparky It can be a challenging process. Doing it for Italy cost me about three grand and took me about ten years, all said and done. (It could have been done faster, but it was just a side project.) Lots of sending off forms and requests and waiting weeks for them to get returned. That said, if your Polish ancestor was relatively recent, it might not be too bad. You can probably order most of the American vital records you need via VitalChek. The plus side to the project is that my entire family--parents, siblings, aunts and uncles, etc.--could piggyback on my efforts, so now we're all recognized dual citizens. It's pretty comforting to know I don't have to worry about leaving family behind if it ever gets bad enough that we have to leave. I view it as similar to concealed carry--I hope I never need it, but if I ever do, I'm going to be really fucking happy I jumped through the hoops when I did. @LDL7071 I can prove ancestry through Ancestry.com, but my understanding it has to be non of my ancestors gave up citizenship |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 3:20:51 PM EDT
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Tag
Love these threads. Gives me something to look forward to |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 4:09:00 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hungary. Its beautiful in some places, cool history, the US dollar goes along ways, good looking women, they like their beer, people speak enough English, doesn't get to cold in the winter, you can own guns for self defense/sporting/hunting, and its a democracy. ^This Lots of Hungarians speak english. Good public transportaion. Food is good. Housing seems way cheaper than US. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 4:28:37 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wife and I are going to head down Baja, MX in about 2 years. Still safe, rv space for a year is @ 3k, cheap enough to live there, can use our sxs as transportation, great weather, if it gets too hot, hook up, and start heading back North, hurricanes happen, again, hook up, and get out, fishing is great, and medical is cheap enough. https://i.postimg.cc/7YXqLkKD/20200905_105820.jpg very veryinterested in this carrying guns across border ? ar pistols? 1911's? what? |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 5:12:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In terms of self defense, the main risk seems to be that Panama presumes guilt in court, and the burden is on the defendant to prove that the shooting was justified, which sucks. But, that isn't the case if you shoot somebody in your own home. Not at all endorsing Panama’s legal system but that is largely the case here too. You have to essentially confess to homicide and prove that your actions fell within exemptions to punishment. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 5:17:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How sure are you of this? Everything I've read is that it takes a while, but other than that is relatively simple to get, compared to other foreign countries. You need to be a resident, submit a DNA sample, take a drug test, and get a psychological exam. And once your firearms permit is issued, it automatically includes concealed carry. That's less restricted than Hawaii. In terms of self defense, the main risk seems to be that Panama presumes guilt in court, and the burden is on the defendant to prove that the shooting was justified, which sucks. But, that isn't the case if you shoot somebody in your own home. I sold all of my stuff, bought property, and moved there for a short while six years ago. It sure sounds good on paper. Most expats have Stockholm syndrome. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 5:20:20 PM EDT
[#25]
If America goes, then there will be no good places to go.
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Posted: 1/24/2021 5:27:40 PM EDT
[#26]
US America is going to be latin america soon, the way things are headed.
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Posted: 1/24/2021 5:30:00 PM EDT
[#27]
I am currently looking at properties in Guanacste in northwest Costa Rica. We are flying over to look in March. There are plenty of videos and websites devoted to the expat communities there.
Allen Richard is from Ville Platte, Louisiana (fellow cajun) and has been living in various places in Costa Rica since 2003. He and his wife do a live show on youtube every Thursday evening. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 5:30:10 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If America goes, then there will be no good places to go. 
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Posted: 1/24/2021 5:30:25 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I am currently looking at properties in Guanacste in northwest Costa Rica. We are flying over to look in March. There are plenty of videos and websites devoted to the expat communities there. Allen Richard is from Ville Platte, Louisiana (fellow cajun) and has been living in various places in Costa Rica since 2003. He and his wife do a live show on youtube every Thursday evening.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 5:37:02 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My parents thought moving out of the country would be a great experience for me too, but it fucked me up bad. I needed stability and confidence. A new, unfamiliar country and language destroyed that. Your kids’ mileage may vary.
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Posted: 1/24/2021 5:53:05 PM EDT
[#31]
Dude, if her parents are in their 90’s and you have all been close to each other until now just wait it out. Pulling her away from them in the last few years of their lives is a bit rough.
Even if she was agreeable now she or both of you are going to be spending a good chunk of change and time right back where you left when they pass. Maybe wait until then and do the year abroad with extended vacations in each of the countries your interested in to get a feel for what living there would be like. Her liking and wanting to live there is going to have to be a hard yes. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 6:02:32 PM EDT
[#32]
I'm just beginning the process of gathering documents for my Polish citizenship.
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Posted: 1/24/2021 6:03:37 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Argentina is the answer you seek. I’ve been looking at that. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 6:05:32 PM EDT
[#34]
"So bear with me"
No. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 6:07:24 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Look around you at what’s going on in this country and then ask me that again. I don’t care what color skin the predominant population has. It is more about values, culture, morality, etc and in almost all aspects the US is headed in the wrong direction. That’s a very emotional statement. If you look at the situation by land area this country is a supermajority of towns who’s culture revolves around those things specifically. Yeah the left has poured endless energy and money influencing politically strategic offices and institutions but the only territory they can claim victorious in corrupting are the metropolitan areas, especially the ghetto. If you think you’re going to find a foreign country that is morally superior to any small town USA you’ll end up disappointed or self deceiving. Not that they could not possibly measure up but good people are good people and aren’t simply only going to be allowed to exist in a specific location. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 6:07:51 PM EDT
[#36]
I would rather die dragging my bullet riddled carcass across broken concrete with my guts trailing behind me as I try to strangle one more Leftist goon before I depart the bombed out shithole Apocalypse Land formerly know as the United States than move to some foreign country. But that is just me.
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Posted: 1/24/2021 6:09:04 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've been looking at that. argentina, chile, spain, czechoslovakia, new zealand, australia, estonia, norway, finland, iceland, costa rica, panama, belize, and baja. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 6:09:38 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I would rather die dragging my bullet riddled carcass across broken concrete with my guts trailing behind me as I try to strangle one more Leftist goon before I depart the bombed out shithole Apocalypse Land formerly know as the United States than more to some foreign country. But that is just me.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 6:10:07 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Panama has a huge ex military population. I enjoyed the time I spent there. What is it going to be like when the sweet sweet (I am being sarcastic) .USG retirement goes to bust with the collapse of the USG or out of control inflation of the US dollar? |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 6:11:51 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You'd trust your kids safety to that statement? It is like someone has never read the history of the Haitian Revolution or something. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 6:13:24 PM EDT
[#41]
I've been considering the Thai Elite Visa program. Can buy a 5,10 or 20 year visa. Don't have to leave every 90 days, they do the process for you instead. It's not cheap but it factors in to about 200-300 a mos per person. Not that bad when you can rent a nice place for 400 or so and live a great life there. I also am considering the Philippines and Mexico. Mexico seems more dangerous but they have a super safe city (as of now) called Merida. Prices have went up a lot there due to the safety. (Safest place in Mexico). Mexico offers a permanent visa for a very low price.
My Grandma as first generation from Germany. I've read it's possible to get citizenship even if it's your great grandparents that were German or UK citizens. I would love to get more info on that. I've researched it but nothing conclusive. I hope to find an agency that could do the legwork for a fee. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 6:16:21 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Where in Estonia? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Bump for continued interest and discussion. I have narrowed my, uh... vacation home down to Panama and Estonia. Where in Estonia? Probably just outside of Tallinn. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 6:26:04 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: sure there are. Maybe if you are elite member of the Chinese society. Trying watching the story of the Bronze Age Collapse in 1200 BC and the invasions of the Sea Peoples that started invading Egypt, Iran, and other empires of the Bronze Age. Spoiler alert, the collapse of trade & empires with the following wars comes quicker than anyone can imagine and rock the foundations of the world of those who live and those who end up surviving  The Sea Peoples & The Late Bronze Age Collapse // Ancient History Documentary (1200-1150 BC) |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 6:30:32 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've been considering the Thai Elite Visa program. Can buy a 5,10 or 20 year visa. Don't have to leave every 90 days, they do the process for you instead. It's not cheap but it factors in to about 200-300 a mos per person. Not that bad when you can rent a nice place for 400 or so and live a great life there. I also am considering the Philippines and Mexico. Mexico seems more dangerous but they have a super safe city (as of now) called Merida. Prices have went up a lot there due to the safety. (Safest place in Mexico). Mexico offers a permanent visa for a very low price. My Grandma as first generation from Germany. I've read it's possible to get citizenship even if it's your great grandparents that were German or UK citizens. I would love to get more info on that. I've researched it but nothing conclusive. I hope to find an agency that could do the legwork for a fee. I’ve only driven through Merida, but it seems pretty nice. Campeche is a really cool city and not far at all from Merida. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 6:40:40 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: i've been looking at: argentina, chile, spain, czechoslovakia, new zealand, australia, estonia, norway, finland, iceland, costa rica, panama, belize, and baja. You've been looking at a country that hasn't existed in nearly three decades. The rest of those...well, a lot of them are really poor options. Argentina has had nine sovereign debt defaults, and two this century. Chile just scrapped their constitution in favor of a hard left turn. New Zealand and Australia have both fully expressed their totalitarian leanings in response to the New Zealand mosque shootings and Covid. Finland's government is run by children. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 6:42:01 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You've been looking at a country that hasn't existed in nearly three decades. The rest of those...well, a lot of them are really poor options. Argentina has had nine sovereign debt defaults, and two this century. Chile just scrapped their constitution in favor of a hard left turn. New Zealand and Australia have both fully expressed their totalitarian leanings in response to the New Zealand mosque shootings and Covid. Finland's government is run by children. lots of work for me in NZ and australia. if i didn't have to work i'd probably just retire to AK and call it good. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 6:46:30 PM EDT
[#47]
Albania, the jewel in the european lotus.
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Posted: 1/24/2021 6:59:45 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Albania, the jewel in the european lotus.  Inside Man - Translate Scene | Albanian (HD) |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 7:17:39 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Albania, the jewel in the european lotus. They're pro-American, even more than the Poles. But it's basically a marijuana plantation now. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 7:22:07 PM EDT
[#50]
Costa Rica Info
This vid talks about the new incentives the gov is putting into place encouraging not just tourism, but residency. There are over 100k Americans living full time in CR. Then there are the Canadiens and Europeans. |
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