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Posted: 1/20/2021 4:07:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: See, now you've gotten the order confused. Jury before Ammo. Yes, Ammo brings us back to Jury but by that point we're not expecting much. If you feel politics is where the fight/effort is at....I'll repeat my original question...please enlighten us with your empowerment and thoughts of how change/improvement will happen. How is the jury box going to fix anything? Sure a friendly jury might let a few people off the hook now and then but it is not going to change the fabric of the country. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 4:17:35 PM EDT
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“True character is revealed in the choices a human being makes under pressure - the greater the pressure, the deeper the revelation, the truer the choice to the character's essential nature.” When the national republican party each took turns groveling before their democrat masters after 1/6, denouncing patriots who sat in chairs, moved furniture, and were murdered, they went out of their way to tell me to go fuck myself. And so it goes... |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 4:20:34 PM EDT
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The RNC has convinced me that there is no lesser of two evils. They're one of the two wings of the demon.
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Posted: 1/20/2021 4:24:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This sounds great in theory and is certainly how most of us vote, but is not working out too well. How about this. When Trump made MAGA changes he brought out all the crazies on the left but also many in the middle and those who do not generally care about politics. Much of this was due to media spin, which is not going to change and we can't do much about. Despite best efforts of media, do we think people are going to prosper under dem policies, or will it be a giant shit sandwich for a good percentage, millions and millions, of the populace? I'm willing to bet the shine will wear off fairly quickly. If I keep voting R I keep the opposition alive, give the false dragon life, for little real benefit. If I stop or vote 3rd party and let people get what they want, hopefully good and hard, there might be a good chance of political tides changing direction in a few years. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That is the negative view of things, which is typical on this site. The positive form of the statement is "Vote for the person who represents you the most". Doing nothing lets the greater evil have an easier win. How is that helpful? There is no new revolution and there is no civil war. Despite the loud mouths on the Qtards in the election thread saying millions of Americans were going to step up to make sure Biden wasn't sworn in...nothing has happened and the Qtards have faded back into the shadows. The reality of the situation is politicians will decide how you get to exist and they are still going to be elected by voting. The best approach is to find people to run in the primaries, support them, and help them win. That is the time to vote your conscience and make big changes. After that, it is voting for the person that represents you the most. Back in 2008 many here said they were done and were going to do everything they could to "burn it (the country) down quicker", yet here we are and the country still exists after surviving Obama. This sounds great in theory and is certainly how most of us vote, but is not working out too well. How about this. When Trump made MAGA changes he brought out all the crazies on the left but also many in the middle and those who do not generally care about politics. Much of this was due to media spin, which is not going to change and we can't do much about. Despite best efforts of media, do we think people are going to prosper under dem policies, or will it be a giant shit sandwich for a good percentage, millions and millions, of the populace? I'm willing to bet the shine will wear off fairly quickly. If I keep voting R I keep the opposition alive, give the false dragon life, for little real benefit. If I stop or vote 3rd party and let people get what they want, hopefully good and hard, there might be a good chance of political tides changing direction in a few years. I also made a post for the people that feel there is no reason to vote. Not voting doesn't send a message, politicians only care about supporters or possible supporters. People that don't vote are ignored. If someone feels there is no reason to vote any more, vote for a 3rd party and be counted. Then when the R's lose and see there a 3rd party candidate got more than enough votes to take the victory away from them...that will send a message. Of course that message is quickly lost as politicians are only forward looking. If the message worked then the message sent to Republicans back in 2006 would have stuck. Obama won 2008, so obviously nothing was learned. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 4:25:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Be pragmatic. Always vote for the lesser of two evils. That only makes sense when you only have two options. Here we are, and your way brought us to Biden. Congrats. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 4:28:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How is the jury box going to fix anything? Sure a friendly jury might let a few people off the hook now and then but it is not going to change the fabric of the country. Still a step to be exhausted before the ammo box is the last resort to effecting change. Now when the law turns on people en masse from today forward, violence would not surprise me in the least and that would be the time to dig them up. It would also be crucial for the violence to be well aimed/effective....not basement dwellers lighting things on fire, hurting their own, and looting. But certainly we don't want to put the cart before the horse. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 4:47:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I also made a post for the people that feel there is no reason to vote. Not voting doesn't send a message, politicians only care about supporters or possible supporters. People that don't vote are ignored. If someone feels there is no reason to vote any more, vote for a 3rd party and be counted. Then when the R's lose and see there a 3rd party candidate got more than enough votes to take the victory away from them...that will send a message. Of course that message is quickly lost as politicians are only forward looking. If the message worked then the message sent to Republicans back in 2006 would have stuck. Obama won 2008, so obviously nothing was learned. I don't know.. if turnout for republicans is substantially lower than usual in 2022/2024 that will impact outcomes and send a pretty big message, especially if there weren't higher than usual 3rd party votes. You are probably right that they won't learn anything (the ones that get elected at least) and will spin the blame elsewhere. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 5:05:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Been saying that for 30 years, mostly to people who insisted pragmatism and keeping the D's out of office at that moment was more important than long term fortification of conservative politics. And, here we are. I got called naive, traitorous, stupid, unrealistic, by people on this very forum for years and years when I told them voting lesser evil was going to fuck us forever. I think the difficult part with politics is tribalism and short memories. The same guys who always talk about holding the line and voting R no matter what are the same guys who want to "drain the swamp" during off years, which are the politicians they re-elect every election cycle. Tribalism makes a lot of folks susceptible to party propaganda and its insidious because its based on fear and loss of control/power. The problem I see is when someone accepts the "us vs them at any cost" and becomes a partisan, at that point there is no discussion during election season, its simply "I don't want to hear criticism or argument of our candidate, If you do not support and vote for them, you are the enemy". It is the wonderful reality of party politics, "Since you didn't primary the incumbent who had a pile of cash and free air time, you have to vote for them, even if they voted against your personal beliefs on multiple issues." |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 5:36:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That only makes sense when you only have two options. Here we are, and your way brought us to Biden. Congrats. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Be pragmatic. Always vote for the lesser of two evils. That only makes sense when you only have two options. Here we are, and your way brought us to Biden. Congrats. Splitting the vote gives a democrat supermajority that can do literally anything they want. You somehow think that’s a better choice? There isn’t and will never be a savior running for office. It will always be a choice between N bad people. That’s reality. The democrat vote damned sure isn’t going to be split. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 5:39:55 PM EDT
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Lessor of two evils is the only way elections work. There never is a perfect politician.
However, that said I'm going to be very careful about my support of GOP candidates. Establishment Republicans won't get my vote. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:12:50 PM EDT
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Why are you guys talking about how to vote when we just got an obvious lesson that our votes don't matter because they can just change the results?
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:15:00 PM EDT
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By the time the next election is here... All of these immigrants slo joe is letting in will be eligible to vote so it wont matter..
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:30:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: By the time the next election is here... All of these immigrants slo joe is letting in will be eligible to vote so it wont matter.. He'll mint 15 million new Democratic voters, just with amnesty. That will be the end right there. They won't even have to submit fake mail in ballots this time. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:35:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He'll mint 15 million new Democratic voters, just with amnesty. That will be the end right there. They won't even have to submit fake mail in ballots this time. 
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:39:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am finally coming around to the truth that being forced to choose between the lesser of two evils, is really no choice at all. fpni Does not matter any longer. The powers that be will apparently install whomever they want wherever and whenever they want. Who will ever challenge them again in an election, and even if they are challenged, who will bother to listen? Certainly not the USSC. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:45:21 PM EDT
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A "republican" judge gave us obama care, and a republican senate made sure we kept it. You're insane if you think voting matters.
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Posted: 1/20/2021 7:10:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: for the people saying you should still vote Why should you vote, if the left can control the election fraud committed, and republicans are complicit in it, or won't do anything about it? edit - a bunch of people won't admit your vote only counts, if there is a fair election Vote because the fraud doesn't prevail every time, and because it's better to make the bastards steal it rather then give it to them. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 7:37:23 PM EDT
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You don't matter to them. They don't consider what you want. Voting to them is a necessary evil and they are going to continue to make it irrelevant.
If the federal government completely fucks everything up, never solves a problem and only favors it's club members, then the only way they can do this is to have two parties and have one be the enemy to the more violent of the two. They know that there are more non radicals than radicals, they also no the non radicals are by and large not violent. They are an easy enemy to blame and continue to bullshit the masses they they can't fix shit because "white dude with money". So we either don't show up and play their game or we show them that passive only last so long. Sadly they are exploiting the American fairness that the Average Joe has and his respect for the rule of law. The problem is that Average Joe is not getting any justice. Once a person feels there is not justice they won't respect the law and they will take the law and justice into their own hands. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 8:21:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The republicans will NEVER win another election....... I do not believe that has registered with many people...this election changed everything. Socialism is here folks....the country is over.... Mail in voting gave the dems the win and will give them every presidential win. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 8:26:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The RNC has convinced me that there is no lesser of two evils. They're one of the two wings of the demon.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 8:30:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Vote because the fraud doesn't prevail every time, and because it's better to make the bastards steal it rather then give it to them. True, they underestimated support for Trump in 2016. That's why he won. They weren't going to let him beat the fraud machine in 2020, and look at how blatant they had to be to succeed. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 8:41:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m embarrassed for this site with so many defeatist, worthless sacks of shit posting in threads like this. I’m not sure which ones are commie plants trying to see discontent and which ones of you are just giant pussies. Explain. Or did you not see how voting works now? |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 8:42:57 PM EDT
[#23]
I'm from southern Illinois. I learned at an early age what political disillusionment feels like
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Posted: 1/20/2021 8:46:44 PM EDT
[#24]
1. Do what you want, but
2. Democrats always vote, you not voting just makes their job easier 3. Voting Libertarian means Democrats win (they no longer evern qualify as a Party in Ohio because they got so few votes in November) 4. Republican Secretaries of State and Governors stopped election fraud in Ohio and other states (not you, Georgia, yours suck) 5. Republicans staying home in Virginia in 2019 lost the legislature and opened the door to gun control 6. The Republican caucuses in the US Congress are more conservative than they have ever been, thanks to Trump 7. The way to fix election fraud in Michigan and Pennsylvania is to vote out the fucking Socialist Governors and Secretaries of State in each case 8. Do what you want, though |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 8:49:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1. Do what you want, but 2. Democrats always vote, you not voting just makes their job easier 3. Voting Libertarian means Democrats win (they no longer evern qualify as a Party in Ohio because they got so few votes in November) 4. Republican Secretaries of State and Governors stopped election fraud in Ohio and other states (not you, Georgia, yours suck) 5. Republicans staying home in Virginia in 2019 lost the legislature and opened the door to gun control 6. The Republican caucuses in the US Congress are more conservative than they have ever been, thanks to Trump 7. The way to fix election fraud in Michigan and Pennsylvania is to vote out the fucking Socialist Governors and Secretaries of State in each case 8. Do what you want, though Every single point you listed doesn’t matter. Reference election 2020 as proof. Move forward accordingly. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 8:49:48 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Local only. The rest doesn’t make a difference anymore. Nationally I no longer believe I am represented by either party. If I’m fucked either way, I might as well fuck the liars that say they represent me. This. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 8:54:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How will you beat the fraud? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The republicans will NEVER win another election....... I do not believe that has registered with many people...this election changed everything. Socialism is here folks....the country is over.... I don’t really agree with that. There will be a power vacuum in the republican party and there will be some that will rise to fill that void. The key to succeeding is going to be to hold them accountable. They have to know we will not accept lip service anymore. When they start campaigning they need to know we’re not going to accept dim-lite. If we can do that there might still be a chance. How will you beat the fraud? Maybe we can't. I'm just saying sooner or later there is going to be a strong opposition to what we've been fed. I think we need to find that opposition and support it. I might be wrong though, it wouldn't be the first time. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 8:56:03 PM EDT
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I am considering voting for the most communist candidates that I can
Might as well hurry along our circling down the drain |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 9:01:02 PM EDT
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Im done voting.
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Posted: 1/20/2021 9:01:13 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I also made a post for the people that feel there is no reason to vote. Not voting doesn't send a message, politicians only care about supporters or possible supporters. People that don't vote are ignored. If someone feels there is no reason to vote any more, vote for a 3rd party and be counted. Then when the R's lose and see there a 3rd party candidate got more than enough votes to take the victory away from them...that will send a message. Of course that message is quickly lost as politicians are only forward looking. If the message worked then the message sent to Republicans back in 2006 would have stuck. Obama won 2008, so obviously nothing was learned. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: That is the negative view of things, which is typical on this site. The positive form of the statement is "Vote for the person who represents you the most". Doing nothing lets the greater evil have an easier win. How is that helpful? There is no new revolution and there is no civil war. Despite the loud mouths on the Qtards in the election thread saying millions of Americans were going to step up to make sure Biden wasn't sworn in...nothing has happened and the Qtards have faded back into the shadows. The reality of the situation is politicians will decide how you get to exist and they are still going to be elected by voting. The best approach is to find people to run in the primaries, support them, and help them win. That is the time to vote your conscience and make big changes. After that, it is voting for the person that represents you the most. Back in 2008 many here said they were done and were going to do everything they could to "burn it (the country) down quicker", yet here we are and the country still exists after surviving Obama. This sounds great in theory and is certainly how most of us vote, but is not working out too well. How about this. When Trump made MAGA changes he brought out all the crazies on the left but also many in the middle and those who do not generally care about politics. Much of this was due to media spin, which is not going to change and we can't do much about. Despite best efforts of media, do we think people are going to prosper under dem policies, or will it be a giant shit sandwich for a good percentage, millions and millions, of the populace? I'm willing to bet the shine will wear off fairly quickly. If I keep voting R I keep the opposition alive, give the false dragon life, for little real benefit. If I stop or vote 3rd party and let people get what they want, hopefully good and hard, there might be a good chance of political tides changing direction in a few years. I also made a post for the people that feel there is no reason to vote. Not voting doesn't send a message, politicians only care about supporters or possible supporters. People that don't vote are ignored. If someone feels there is no reason to vote any more, vote for a 3rd party and be counted. Then when the R's lose and see there a 3rd party candidate got more than enough votes to take the victory away from them...that will send a message. Of course that message is quickly lost as politicians are only forward looking. If the message worked then the message sent to Republicans back in 2006 would have stuck. Obama won 2008, so obviously nothing was learned. the message was sent in 1992. and again in 1996. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 9:02:31 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The republicans will NEVER win another election....... I do not believe that has registered with many people...this election changed everything. Socialism is here folks....the country is over.... Maybe open your eyes a bit beyond Trump. We took a significant number of House seats and have 27 Republican Governors and this is a redistricting year giving Republicans a potential advantage to gerrymander districts in their favor. Mid term elections also tend to swing more republican. Its going to suck these next two years, but I dont believe its the end. If we can push states via laws or suits to clean up or remove mail in voting I think we would be looking at a good opportunity. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 9:09:19 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe open your eyes a bit beyond Trump. We took a significant number of House seats and have 27 Republican Governors and this is a redistricting year giving Republicans a potential advantage to gerrymander districts in their favor. Mid term elections also tend to swing more republican. Its going to suck these next two years, but I dont believe its the end. If we can push states via laws or suits to clean up or remove mail in voting I think we would be looking at a good opportunity. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The republicans will NEVER win another election....... I do not believe that has registered with many people...this election changed everything. Socialism is here folks....the country is over.... Maybe open your eyes a bit beyond Trump. We took a significant number of House seats and have 27 Republican Governors and this is a redistricting year giving Republicans a potential advantage to gerrymander districts in their favor. Mid term elections also tend to swing more republican. Its going to suck these next two years, but I dont believe its the end. If we can push states via laws or suits to clean up or remove mail in voting I think we would be looking at a good opportunity. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 9:36:17 PM EDT
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Those who know more in detail about how the vote counting and process works may be able to enlighten me.
What chaffs my buns right now as much as anything about the process is that it appears when the recounts and vote verifications were done is that it was a process of wash, rinse and repeat. In other words the same people did the same same thing all over again with no oversight to prevent the cheating to repeat itself. Is that about right? If not please enlighten me. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 10:43:24 PM EDT
[#34]
The GOP has proven that when push comes to shove, they are absolutely willing to fuck us. Not just in a "we're gonna be just like the Dems, but a few years behind" way, but a "we're going to slap you in the face with our dick right before ordering you onto the railcar" kind of way.
This isn't just some difference of opinion - they are simply not on our side anymore then the left is. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 10:45:16 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You'll vote for whoever they switch your vote to. There is no voting our way out of this. This is the truth. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 10:47:13 PM EDT
[#36]
I am done voting for the lessor if two evils. Was registered as a Republican my whole life until two weeks ago. The GOP showed their true colors and I have had it.
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Posted: 1/20/2021 10:54:47 PM EDT
[#37]
When I can see where I'm going, I tend to hit the gas or pick up the pace. The conclusion of this experiment is inevitable. Hit the gas. Toss the RNC's chances and vote 3rd. It'll guarantee and Dem victory and accelerate the inevitable.
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Posted: 1/20/2021 11:09:48 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 7. The way to fix election fraud in Michigan and Pennsylvania is to vote out the fucking Socialist Governors and Secretaries of State in each case There is a reason the dems focused on sec of state and county recorder positions. They now have a lock on statewide elections because they can cheat enough in the big cities that the rest of the state doesn't matter. There's a reason why MI, WI, and PA have strong majority R in their legislature(districts are based on population) yet Dems win all the statewide races. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 11:14:31 PM EDT
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"You can vote your way into socialism, but you have to shoot your way out." Ayn Rand
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Posted: 1/20/2021 11:16:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Still a step to be exhausted before the ammo box is the last resort to effecting change. Now when the law turns on people en masse from today forward, violence would not surprise me in the least and that would be the time to dig them up. It would also be crucial for the violence to be well aimed/effective....not basement dwellers lighting things on fire, hurting their own, and looting. But certainly we don't want to put the cart before the horse. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How is the jury box going to fix anything? Sure a friendly jury might let a few people off the hook now and then but it is not going to change the fabric of the country. Still a step to be exhausted before the ammo box is the last resort to effecting change. Now when the law turns on people en masse from today forward, violence would not surprise me in the least and that would be the time to dig them up. It would also be crucial for the violence to be well aimed/effective....not basement dwellers lighting things on fire, hurting their own, and looting. But certainly we don't want to put the cart before the horse. Understand that but I don't think there is much hope for the courts. They have already failed us a lot lately. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 11:16:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Splitting the vote gives a democrat supermajority that can do literally anything they want. You somehow think that’s a better choice? There isn’t and will never be a savior running for office. It will always be a choice between N bad people. That’s reality. The democrat vote damned sure isn’t going to be split. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Be pragmatic. Always vote for the lesser of two evils. That only makes sense when you only have two options. Here we are, and your way brought us to Biden. Congrats. Splitting the vote gives a democrat supermajority that can do literally anything they want. You somehow think that’s a better choice? There isn’t and will never be a savior running for office. It will always be a choice between N bad people. That’s reality. The democrat vote damned sure isn’t going to be split. Exactly. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 11:17:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A "republican" judge gave us obama care, and a republican senate made sure we kept it. You're insane if you think voting matters. What it does is slow things down. It changes nothing. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 11:19:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Every single point you listed doesn’t matter. Reference election 2020 as proof. Move forward accordingly. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 1. Do what you want, but 2. Democrats always vote, you not voting just makes their job easier 3. Voting Libertarian means Democrats win (they no longer evern qualify as a Party in Ohio because they got so few votes in November) 4. Republican Secretaries of State and Governors stopped election fraud in Ohio and other states (not you, Georgia, yours suck) 5. Republicans staying home in Virginia in 2019 lost the legislature and opened the door to gun control 6. The Republican caucuses in the US Congress are more conservative than they have ever been, thanks to Trump 7. The way to fix election fraud in Michigan and Pennsylvania is to vote out the fucking Socialist Governors and Secretaries of State in each case 8. Do what you want, though Every single point you listed doesn’t matter. Reference election 2020 as proof. Move forward accordingly. We didn't lose everywhere. Yes there is fraud. And it will be there next time. If a a large amount of Republicans stay home though, Democrats will have super majority in both houses. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 11:26:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You'll vote for whoever they switch your vote to. There is no voting our way out of this. This, sadly. But I also hated the lesser of 2 evil bullshit. That is like saying you can find the perfect spouse and will be 100% agreement all the time. The perfect candidate and the perfect spouse is a unicorn. There will rarely be 2 people that are in agreement all or even most of the time. So finding a candidate that will be good for 100million people let alone 300 million is just dreaming. I always voted for the one that I thought was best for the country or state. Not the one that was less evil. I don't believe Trump was evil. Maybe naive to politics. But never evil. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 11:29:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This, sadly. But I also hated the lesser of 2 evil bullshit. That is like saying you can find the perfect spouse and will be 100% agreement all the time. The perfect candidate and the perfect spouse is a unicorn. There will rarely be 2 people that are in agreement all or even most of the time. So finding a candidate that will be good for 100million people let alone 300 million is just dreaming. I always voted for the one that I thought was best for the country or state. Not the one that was less evil. I don't believe Trump was evil. Maybe naive to politics. But never evil. Usually unicorns are shared with spouses....but that's another thread. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 11:35:52 PM EDT
[#46]
I'll accept the reality of the situation and vote for whoever seems like they'll screw me the least.
 ETA: Hit the primaries HARD. THAT is the spot where we might make an actual difference. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 1:17:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe open your eyes a bit beyond Trump. We took a significant number of House seats and have 27 Republican Governors and this is a redistricting year giving Republicans a potential advantage to gerrymander districts in their favor. Mid term elections also tend to swing more republican. Its going to suck these next two years, but I dont believe its the end. If we can push states via laws or suits to clean up or remove mail in voting I think we would be looking at a good opportunity. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The republicans will NEVER win another election....... I do not believe that has registered with many people...this election changed everything. Socialism is here folks....the country is over.... Maybe open your eyes a bit beyond Trump. We took a significant number of House seats and have 27 Republican Governors and this is a redistricting year giving Republicans a potential advantage to gerrymander districts in their favor. Mid term elections also tend to swing more republican. Its going to suck these next two years, but I dont believe its the end. If we can push states via laws or suits to clean up or remove mail in voting I think we would be looking at a good opportunity. By all rights and precedent we should do well in 2022. Except for the fraud, the mail in, the party being fractured and disillusioned. And now likely any movement to organize will be censored, harassed, and shutdown. We could easily face a democrat landslide in 2022. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 1:18:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is a reason the dems focused on sec of state and county recorder positions. They now have a lock on statewide elections because they can cheat enough in the big cities that the rest of the state doesn't matter. There's a reason why MI, WI, and PA have strong majority R in their legislature(districts are based on population) yet Dems win all the statewide races. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 7. The way to fix election fraud in Michigan and Pennsylvania is to vote out the fucking Socialist Governors and Secretaries of State in each case There is a reason the dems focused on sec of state and county recorder positions. They now have a lock on statewide elections because they can cheat enough in the big cities that the rest of the state doesn't matter. There's a reason why MI, WI, and PA have strong majority R in their legislature(districts are based on population) yet Dems win all the statewide races. Agreed. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 8:17:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I could stomach the lesser of two evils for a long time. The problem is that we found out recently that the evil is roughly equal, not lesser. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 8:21:03 AM EDT
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The GOP here in GA is now punishing the few state senators who questioned election integrity so I doubt I'll be voting for any of their "lesser of two evils" candidates in '22.
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