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Posted: 1/19/2021 12:07:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I still can't figure out where the ammo is going? The excuse that people buying new guns are buying ammo seems weak. New gun buyers get a couple boxes. Not thousands. And where are all these "new guns" being bought coming from? I'm pretty sure ammo mfg runs faster than gun mfg. I sold out of multiple hunting calibers over the long three day weekend Guys who might in other times have come in and bought a box or two of their favorite ammo were buying every box of it on the shelf. They aren't going to be shooting it any faster in the coming weeks; we have an extended deer season through the end o the month but that doesn't account for the volume of sales So they're depriving others of anything in that caliber until my resupply comes in. Multiply that times the number of guys who like a particular caliber and you end up with empty shelves |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 12:19:37 PM EDT
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Of course, and they'll end up paying way more as well.
Chiefs every year: What do we need? Dept Gun guys: Ammo Chiefs: ehhhh, it's expensive maybe we can get by one more year Election 2020: 
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Posted: 1/19/2021 12:52:42 PM EDT
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I am am owner of a Security Company, and we can buy from LE Distributors. We have bought ammo throughout the past year with zero problem... LE has priority, simple as that.
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Posted: 1/19/2021 1:01:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You hope so? You want people whose profession includes carrying a firearm in public to be untrained?  No. I want the state's enforcers to be subject to the same pain as the unwashed masses. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 1:05:20 PM EDT
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I imagine their ammo is under contract, so no
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Posted: 1/19/2021 2:08:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm betting there are more then a few agencies that wish they had stuck with their .40's right now. My kid bought cases of HP SD .40 a couple years ago for less then plain old hardball was going for because of the lack of demand. It was so cheap I almost went out and bought a .40 handgun just to take advantage of the cheap prices. I’m tempted to go and buy the store out of 40 and 9mm. It’s cheap ball stuff but at almost $25 a box I always gave it a pass. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 2:12:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We stopped taking orders from police departments back in the summer due to scarcity. We decided to continue refusing LE orders for the foreseeable future because we have far too much demand from retail customers, and, we're very reluctant to do business with the people who are STILL enforcing lockdown orders across the country. We've considering coming up with a 'contract' of sorts whereby they have to agree not to enforce lockdown orders in order to do business with us, but it seems like more hassle than it's worth. when things settle down, you gained a customer |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 2:43:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My guess is that we have trouble finding ammo because .gov and .mil are buying it up |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 2:46:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I imagine their ammo is under contract, so no They're not allowed to tell an agency, "I can sell you some for $X above the contract price." |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 2:56:37 PM EDT
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Yes.
I’d be willing to wager the majority of members on this site have more ammo individually than their local of has on hand. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 3:15:24 PM EDT
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Quoted: I really hope so. yes we are. J- |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 3:18:48 PM EDT
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Quoted: I really hope so. FTP, police serve the .gov, not the people. .gov employees are demons wearing skin suits. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 3:29:14 PM EDT
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OPNI
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Posted: 1/19/2021 3:33:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The bad thing about the contract pricing is that I'm sure some distributors are saying they have 0 available for contract purchase so they can sell that product for more to consumers. They're not allowed to tell an agency, "I can sell you some for $X above the contract price." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I imagine their ammo is under contract, so no They're not allowed to tell an agency, "I can sell you some for $X above the contract price." There is one doing that right now. Selling it on GB to the highest bidder. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 4:18:50 PM EDT
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My good friend is a retired Palm Beach County deputy and his son is a current one who has been on Trump's security detail many times and really enjoys it when he gets to meet Trump cuz he says he's so nice to them. They both have told me that they stopped all Superfluous training because of the ammo shortage, doing the bare minimum to keep current.
And obviously no free ammo to take home like the old days. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 8:03:55 PM EDT
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Local LEA had orders put in in June of last year for 40, 9 and 38. Ammo came in this week.
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Posted: 1/20/2021 5:30:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My good friend is a retired Palm Beach County deputy and his son is a current one who has been on Trump's security detail many times and really enjoys it when he gets to meet Trump cuz he says he's so nice to them. They both have told me that they stopped all Superfluous training because of the ammo shortage, doing the bare minimum to keep current. And obviously no free ammo to take home like the old days. Read this a lot in this thread. And know of locals that do it here. Maybe if they weren't taking it home and putting back in inventory they wouldn't be so short. Not directed at anyone just a broad observation and statement. Like i said I know many LEO that not only do this here but would sell fat 50's of ammo to their non LEO friends. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:07:37 AM EDT
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I’ve been retired for 3 years so don’t know current situation. I was in charge of firearms training at my department and managed inventory.
For a time during the wars all the manufacturers were producing military ammo and .40 got hard to find. I ordered a huge amount that I think they are still using. Police departments don’t get special status for ammo orders. Maybe the huge ones do but not most. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:10:53 AM EDT
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Definitely explains why my local sheriff's department is only reserving the county range one half day a month now rather than one or two times a week like before the latest run on ammo.
I wonder if they'll come hit me up for ammo when they see me dumping mags of 5.56 and 9 out of my transferables... 
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Posted: 1/20/2021 7:14:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: FTP, police serve the .gov, not the people. .gov employees are demons wearing skin suits. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I really hope so. FTP, police serve the .gov, not the people. .gov employees are demons wearing skin suits.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 7:48:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Must have some issues getting ammo. I see the number of dogs stacking up in shelters again.  ROFL  Yeah, I took a PD buddy shooting over the weekend and the ammo stash is low. Sounds like barely any ammo to practice with being given. 
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Posted: 1/20/2021 9:47:29 AM EDT
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I'm sure DHS and other .Gov entities will hand out the ammo if they need enforcers.
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Posted: 1/20/2021 9:51:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: FTP, police serve the .gov, not the people. .gov employees are demons wearing skin suits. Please get help. See a doctor. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 9:53:33 AM EDT
[#24]
Yes
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Posted: 1/20/2021 10:01:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They will be stopping by gun owners homes for "donations" Jan 21st. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 10:04:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’d be willing to wager the majority of members on this site have more ammo individually than their local of has on hand. I think you greatly overestimate the number of members who actually have more than a 1,000 rounds of all types of ammo. The amount of ammo held by departments varies. Those that carry out their own training generally keep a year’s worth of training ammo on hand. Departments that rely on regional or state training facilities have little need to stock up. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 2:12:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think one of the reasons we have an ammo shortage is that first priority from manufacturers goes to military and police. Nope, major agencies can't get ammo. Our dept has cancelled all upcoming rifle qualifications due to the shortage. The dept is the 35th largest in the country. No ammo draw, only state required qualifications/requals are being done. They have had 5.56 ammo on order for a year, and were able to get by, by stretching what they had. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 2:14:34 PM EDT
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No. They are not. But it is being monitored much closely when it comes to quantities issued.
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Posted: 1/20/2021 2:36:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: they dont. my friends medium size agency in sofla literally has a 10x12 room of hst and gold dot 556. I would say they probably bought that prior to all this after the last struggle. Major metro dept and cancelled all non required quals, trainings, and monthly draws (2 boxes) |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 12:58:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. I want the state's enforcers to be subject to the same pain as the unwashed masses. Doesnt bother me one bit. I don’t qualify? Cool, they’re gonna waive it or go out and pay 1200/k for ammo so I can shoot. Of course, I just drew 30 cases of 5.56 to handout. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 1:19:25 AM EDT
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Quote History |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 6:13:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would not be surprised that any enforcements that confiscate arms will divert ammo to police use due to shortages. Just tack it on to "Civil Forfeiture". Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They will be stopping by gun owners homes for "donations" Jan 21st. .gov procurement doesnt work that way. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:14:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:32:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would not be surprised that any enforcements that confiscate arms will divert ammo to police use due to shortages. Just tack it on to "Civil Forfeiture". Liability issue. One, no testing of the ammo, they dont know what it is, ballistics, etc. 2. If someone got hurt because their duty weapon went Ka-boom, huge lawsuit. 3. If an officer shot someone, how can they defend their choice of ammo in court? Besides, our dept uses it for the bomb squad, I've asked for it, but chain of evidence and all that. So they destroy it with an IED during training exercises. |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 9:40:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am am owner of a Security Company, and we can buy from LE Distributors. We have bought ammo throughout the past year with zero problem... LE has priority, simple as that. A local law enforcement shop still has plenty of ammo at pre-panic prices. But quantities are limited and restricted to LE and military. |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 10:05:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dumbest post of the day It used to be done by a lot of departments for practice ammo back in the stone age when everyone carried 38 specials with LRN bullets. Then the lawyers came along and they sold off all the old Camdex progressives. Moot point, but it used to be common. |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 12:04:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In the early 90s jail inmates reloaded .38 special ammo for the Sheriffs Department range qualifications. They had a little shed right by the range. They had no access to any variety of powder which would cause a major problem in a compressed charge? And they were too well supervised to fill a cartridge with primers? |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 4:28:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It used to be done by a lot of departments for practice ammo back in the stone age when everyone carried 38 specials with LRN bullets. Then the lawyers came along and they sold off all the old Camdex progressives. Moot point, but it used to be common. We used to ship our expended brass to Zero in the revolver days. We'd buy reloads for practice stuff That's well beyond 25 years ago now. I'm probably the only guy left in my agency who remembers the revolver days |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 5:02:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well instead of training with guns maybe they could train on how to arrest rioters, looters, arsonists And old fashioned thieves. Not to mention voter fraud and stolen elections. Of course then we would have to train DAs how to indict, prosecute and incarcerate the people they arrest. Oh fuck it let’s go shooting. Don't forget to expand the prison farms so they can grow the food they eat or go hungry. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 9:23:53 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We stopped taking orders from police departments back in the summer due to scarcity. We decided to continue refusing LE orders for the foreseeable future because we have far too much demand from retail customers, and, we're very reluctant to do business with the people who are STILL enforcing lockdown orders across the country. We've considering coming up with a 'contract' of sorts whereby they have to agree not to enforce lockdown orders in order to do business with us, but it seems like more hassle than it's worth.  Dear @fenixammunition please please please tell me the story. I have popcorn all ready to go. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 10:10:58 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I would not be surprised that any enforcements that confiscate arms will divert ammo to police use due to shortages. Just tack it on to "Civil Forfeiture". Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They will be stopping by gun owners homes for "donations" Jan 21st. Time to make some +P++++++ loads for them to confiscate then. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 10:17:37 PM EDT
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No. Not at all. Better pricing too.
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Posted: 2/3/2021 11:29:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/740010030518239384/802681952296501328/image0-542.png Dear @fenixammunition please please please tell me the story. I have popcorn all ready to go. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We stopped taking orders from police departments back in the summer due to scarcity. We decided to continue refusing LE orders for the foreseeable future because we have far too much demand from retail customers, and, we're very reluctant to do business with the people who are STILL enforcing lockdown orders across the country. We've considering coming up with a 'contract' of sorts whereby they have to agree not to enforce lockdown orders in order to do business with us, but it seems like more hassle than it's worth. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/740010030518239384/802681952296501328/image0-542.png Dear @fenixammunition please please please tell me the story. I have popcorn all ready to go. We weren't "raided", per se, but here's what happened: Someone called the Novi PD late November and anonymously reported that we were not wearing masks inside our facility. Novi PD sent an officer out to investigate. When he arrived at our facility, he held the door open for a customer who was coming to pick up an order he had placed online. Note - we don't do ANY walk in sales. The only customers who come in our lobby are there to pick up an order they have already paid for, so, they're in and out in under 20 seconds. In this instance the customer was wearing a mask, the officer was wearing a mask, and I was not wearing a mask... because, why the fuck should I? I wanted to deal with the customer before talking to the officer (I had a pretty good idea why he was there), so I handed the customer his order and then address the officer. After he told me he was there to investigate an anonymous complaint, I more or less told him to get fucked. I asked him if he thought the Novi PD would likely investigate an anonymous claim that he beats his wife every night. I asked him if he had a search warrant, and when he said no, I told him to leave. Three weeks ago, we received a notice of violation from the Michigan Department of Health. The officer in question had sent his report to MDHHS and in the report he mentioned that I had assisted a customer in his presence without a mask on. That resulted in a $1,000 fine. Theoretically, if I had assisted two or three customers while he was there, they could and would have fined me $1,000 PER OCCURRENCE. So, I have made the decision that we are no longer serving law enforcement in any capacity, anywhere in the United States, until further notice. If a cop wants to buy our stuff, he can do so on our website as a retail customer like anyone else. |
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Posted: 2/3/2021 11:39:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am am owner of a Security Company, and we can buy from LE Distributors. We have bought ammo throughout the past year with zero problem... LE has priority, simple as that. Depends, I placed about a 50k round order of various ammo types at the end of September last year and still have not received anything from it. Boutique, specialty ammo or expensive ammo other agencies are unwilling to pay for, yeah, I can get it. Hornady critical duty 9 mm, for example, cost about $50 more per k than Fed HST, so I can get it. 12 gauge Fllte Control buckshot is unobtanium. Hornady 75 grain 5.56 is available, 55 grain FMJ is not. |
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Posted: 2/3/2021 11:43:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We weren't "raided", per se, but here's what happened: Someone called the Novi PD late November and anonymously reported that we were not wearing masks inside our facility. Novi PD sent an officer out to investigate. When he arrived at our facility, he held the door open for a customer who was coming to pick up an order he had placed online. Note - we don't do ANY walk in sales. The only customers who come in our lobby are there to pick up an order they have already paid for, so, they're in and out in under 20 seconds. In this instance the customer was wearing a mask, the officer was wearing a mask, and I was not wearing a mask... because, why the fuck should I? I wanted to deal with the customer before talking to the officer (I had a pretty good idea why he was there), so I handed the customer his order and then address the officer. After he told me he was there to investigate an anonymous complaint, I more or less told him to get fucked. I asked him if he thought the Novi PD would likely investigate an anonymous claim that he beats his wife every night. I asked him if he had a search warrant, and when he said no, I told him to leave. Three weeks ago, we received a notice of violation from the Michigan Department of Health. The officer in question had sent his report to MDHHS and in the report he mentioned that I had assisted a customer in his presence without a mask on. That resulted in a $1,000 fine. Theoretically, if I had assisted two or three customers while he was there, they could and would have fined me $1,000 PER OCCURRENCE. So, I have made the decision that we are no longer serving law enforcement in any capacity, anywhere in the United States, until further notice. If a cop wants to buy our stuff, he can do so on our website as a retail customer like anyone else. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: We stopped taking orders from police departments back in the summer due to scarcity. We decided to continue refusing LE orders for the foreseeable future because we have far too much demand from retail customers, and, we're very reluctant to do business with the people who are STILL enforcing lockdown orders across the country. We've considering coming up with a 'contract' of sorts whereby they have to agree not to enforce lockdown orders in order to do business with us, but it seems like more hassle than it's worth. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/740010030518239384/802681952296501328/image0-542.png Dear @fenixammunition please please please tell me the story. I have popcorn all ready to go. We weren't "raided", per se, but here's what happened: Someone called the Novi PD late November and anonymously reported that we were not wearing masks inside our facility. Novi PD sent an officer out to investigate. When he arrived at our facility, he held the door open for a customer who was coming to pick up an order he had placed online. Note - we don't do ANY walk in sales. The only customers who come in our lobby are there to pick up an order they have already paid for, so, they're in and out in under 20 seconds. In this instance the customer was wearing a mask, the officer was wearing a mask, and I was not wearing a mask... because, why the fuck should I? I wanted to deal with the customer before talking to the officer (I had a pretty good idea why he was there), so I handed the customer his order and then address the officer. After he told me he was there to investigate an anonymous complaint, I more or less told him to get fucked. I asked him if he thought the Novi PD would likely investigate an anonymous claim that he beats his wife every night. I asked him if he had a search warrant, and when he said no, I told him to leave. Three weeks ago, we received a notice of violation from the Michigan Department of Health. The officer in question had sent his report to MDHHS and in the report he mentioned that I had assisted a customer in his presence without a mask on. That resulted in a $1,000 fine. Theoretically, if I had assisted two or three customers while he was there, they could and would have fined me $1,000 PER OCCURRENCE. So, I have made the decision that we are no longer serving law enforcement in any capacity, anywhere in the United States, until further notice. If a cop wants to buy our stuff, he can do so on our website as a retail customer like anyone else. Our department sent out a general order stating that we ARE NOT to enforce any health department regulations. They can do that for their selves if they feel so strongly about it. We aren't even allowed to "assist" with one of their inspectors. |
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Posted: 2/3/2021 3:00:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We weren't "raided", per se, but here's what happened: Someone called the Novi PD late November and anonymously reported that we were not wearing masks inside our facility. Novi PD sent an officer out to investigate. When he arrived at our facility, he held the door open for a customer who was coming to pick up an order he had placed online. Note - we don't do ANY walk in sales. The only customers who come in our lobby are there to pick up an order they have already paid for, so, they're in and out in under 20 seconds. In this instance the customer was wearing a mask, the officer was wearing a mask, and I was not wearing a mask... because, why the fuck should I? I wanted to deal with the customer before talking to the officer (I had a pretty good idea why he was there), so I handed the customer his order and then address the officer. After he told me he was there to investigate an anonymous complaint, I more or less told him to get fucked. I asked him if he thought the Novi PD would likely investigate an anonymous claim that he beats his wife every night. I asked him if he had a search warrant, and when he said no, I told him to leave. Three weeks ago, we received a notice of violation from the Michigan Department of Health. The officer in question had sent his report to MDHHS and in the report he mentioned that I had assisted a customer in his presence without a mask on. That resulted in a $1,000 fine. Theoretically, if I had assisted two or three customers while he was there, they could and would have fined me $1,000 PER OCCURRENCE. So, I have made the decision that we are no longer serving law enforcement in any capacity, anywhere in the United States, until further notice. If a cop wants to buy our stuff, he can do so on our website as a retail customer like anyone else. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: We stopped taking orders from police departments back in the summer due to scarcity. We decided to continue refusing LE orders for the foreseeable future because we have far too much demand from retail customers, and, we're very reluctant to do business with the people who are STILL enforcing lockdown orders across the country. We've considering coming up with a 'contract' of sorts whereby they have to agree not to enforce lockdown orders in order to do business with us, but it seems like more hassle than it's worth. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/740010030518239384/802681952296501328/image0-542.png Dear @fenixammunition please please please tell me the story. I have popcorn all ready to go. We weren't "raided", per se, but here's what happened: Someone called the Novi PD late November and anonymously reported that we were not wearing masks inside our facility. Novi PD sent an officer out to investigate. When he arrived at our facility, he held the door open for a customer who was coming to pick up an order he had placed online. Note - we don't do ANY walk in sales. The only customers who come in our lobby are there to pick up an order they have already paid for, so, they're in and out in under 20 seconds. In this instance the customer was wearing a mask, the officer was wearing a mask, and I was not wearing a mask... because, why the fuck should I? I wanted to deal with the customer before talking to the officer (I had a pretty good idea why he was there), so I handed the customer his order and then address the officer. After he told me he was there to investigate an anonymous complaint, I more or less told him to get fucked. I asked him if he thought the Novi PD would likely investigate an anonymous claim that he beats his wife every night. I asked him if he had a search warrant, and when he said no, I told him to leave. Three weeks ago, we received a notice of violation from the Michigan Department of Health. The officer in question had sent his report to MDHHS and in the report he mentioned that I had assisted a customer in his presence without a mask on. That resulted in a $1,000 fine. Theoretically, if I had assisted two or three customers while he was there, they could and would have fined me $1,000 PER OCCURRENCE. So, I have made the decision that we are no longer serving law enforcement in any capacity, anywhere in the United States, until further notice. If a cop wants to buy our stuff, he can do so on our website as a retail customer like anyone else. Sounds pretty fair to me. Someone snitched on me I wouldn’t even give them the option you provided. |
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Posted: 2/3/2021 5:50:06 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We weren't "raided", per se, but here's what happened: Someone called the Novi PD late November and anonymously reported that we were not wearing masks inside our facility. Novi PD sent an officer out to investigate. When he arrived at our facility, he held the door open for a customer who was coming to pick up an order he had placed online. Note - we don't do ANY walk in sales. The only customers who come in our lobby are there to pick up an order they have already paid for, so, they're in and out in under 20 seconds. In this instance the customer was wearing a mask, the officer was wearing a mask, and I was not wearing a mask... because, why the fuck should I? I wanted to deal with the customer before talking to the officer (I had a pretty good idea why he was there), so I handed the customer his order and then address the officer. After he told me he was there to investigate an anonymous complaint, I more or less told him to get fucked. I asked him if he thought the Novi PD would likely investigate an anonymous claim that he beats his wife every night. I asked him if he had a search warrant, and when he said no, I told him to leave. Three weeks ago, we received a notice of violation from the Michigan Department of Health. The officer in question had sent his report to MDHHS and in the report he mentioned that I had assisted a customer in his presence without a mask on. That resulted in a $1,000 fine. Theoretically, if I had assisted two or three customers while he was there, they could and would have fined me $1,000 PER OCCURRENCE. So, I have made the decision that we are no longer serving law enforcement in any capacity, anywhere in the United States, until further notice. If a cop wants to buy our stuff, he can do so on our website as a retail customer like anyone else. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: We stopped taking orders from police departments back in the summer due to scarcity. We decided to continue refusing LE orders for the foreseeable future because we have far too much demand from retail customers, and, we're very reluctant to do business with the people who are STILL enforcing lockdown orders across the country. We've considering coming up with a 'contract' of sorts whereby they have to agree not to enforce lockdown orders in order to do business with us, but it seems like more hassle than it's worth. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/740010030518239384/802681952296501328/image0-542.png Dear @fenixammunition please please please tell me the story. I have popcorn all ready to go. We weren't "raided", per se, but here's what happened: Someone called the Novi PD late November and anonymously reported that we were not wearing masks inside our facility. Novi PD sent an officer out to investigate. When he arrived at our facility, he held the door open for a customer who was coming to pick up an order he had placed online. Note - we don't do ANY walk in sales. The only customers who come in our lobby are there to pick up an order they have already paid for, so, they're in and out in under 20 seconds. In this instance the customer was wearing a mask, the officer was wearing a mask, and I was not wearing a mask... because, why the fuck should I? I wanted to deal with the customer before talking to the officer (I had a pretty good idea why he was there), so I handed the customer his order and then address the officer. After he told me he was there to investigate an anonymous complaint, I more or less told him to get fucked. I asked him if he thought the Novi PD would likely investigate an anonymous claim that he beats his wife every night. I asked him if he had a search warrant, and when he said no, I told him to leave. Three weeks ago, we received a notice of violation from the Michigan Department of Health. The officer in question had sent his report to MDHHS and in the report he mentioned that I had assisted a customer in his presence without a mask on. That resulted in a $1,000 fine. Theoretically, if I had assisted two or three customers while he was there, they could and would have fined me $1,000 PER OCCURRENCE. So, I have made the decision that we are no longer serving law enforcement in any capacity, anywhere in the United States, until further notice. If a cop wants to buy our stuff, he can do so on our website as a retail customer like anyone else. I'll do business with you if in the area, where in Mi are you? [Novi?] Hell, I'd blackball the entire department from buying anything. I'd fight the ticket by claiming [as true] that the police officer let the customer in without your permission and thusly was instrumental in the violation by personally contributing to the incident without your permission. |
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Posted: 2/3/2021 6:14:23 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: they dont. my friends medium size agency in sofla literally has a 10x12 room of hst and gold dot 556. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Somehow I doubt the kings men would have issues. And all this time I thought that was just a marketing trade-name. Here's hoping said department has security cameras and tracking system, because those things pretty much are dots of gold right now. |
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Posted: 2/3/2021 6:30:47 PM EDT
[#49]
Remember 2013 when Homeland Security bought billions of rounds and refused to tell Congress why:
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/dhs-wont-answer-congress-on-ammunition-purchases/ https://www.investors.com/obama-homeland-security-vast-ammunition-purchases/ |
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Posted: 2/3/2021 6:33:06 PM EDT
[#50]
Nah they’re above us peasants
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