You see a struggle between good and evil. I see a struggle between evil and evil.

For describing that severity of a riot?  No, there is absolutely no difference.  Criminality is a separate issue, but I will say there was 1) less value to be stolen from the Capital, 2) less private property at risk, 3) it's not like there was a "nuke everything" button to guard to the death, or anything

It really boils down to really, really, really rude behavior.  And most importantly, rude behavior from people expected to be docile lambs, unlike BLM or Antifa.  THAT is what was so alarming to congress, and to those in this thread that are so offended.

Like I said; moral relativism.  "We're not so different, you and I"



Sometimes evil does in fact need it's ass kicked.  But I suppose that viewpoint is "evil" to one so enlightened as yourself.

The so called patriot act.

Stupid. A few people on a forum held the same standard as all of MSM? Not even comparable nor significant.

lol bait.

"follow orders!" "just do what you're told!"

still lol, still bait.

The problem is, you probably think the wrong one was worse.

Private property is worth protecting. The public place where evil people meet to carry out evil deeds against us, is worth much less protection, and perhaps shouldn't be protected at all.

Perhaps if there was *less* protection for the people therein, while they are working, they'd be less inclined to do so much evil.

(I'm not saying 1-6 was right. I'm saying private property, not a government snake den, is more foundational to our peaceful existence as a nation)

And the strings of that struggle are being pulled by forces that want the two current teams to continue & escalate that struggle IMO.

I genuinely appreciate the fact that both sides are evil. But they aren't *equally* evil.

Warts and all, people could still more or less live under the right-wing version (vision?) of evil. The right may at times be stupid, crude, coarse, careless, amateur, and downright dumb.

But the alternative, the left, is evil, murderous, nihilistic, impossible to live under. I'll freely and happily criticize the right with you (even if we often disagree on where those criticisms lie). But give the left a couple years and we won't even be able to offer criticisms. There's a thread now where the governor (or was it lt. gov?) of PA is saying people shouldn't be allowed to talk about election fraud.

Disparate worldviews become problematic when you don't have the power and numbers to force the one you agree with upon others. The problem with that is, if you do have the power and ability, you cannot purport to support or believe in liberty while doing so.

The Left uses this to their advantage at every turn, while the Right expends as much energy as possible driving people away for not passing their chosen purity test of the month.

I maintain that all involved in the riots over the summer were assholes. That is not, surprisingly, a criminal offense. The ones that burned, looted, murdered, tore down statues, or assaulted others are surely guilty of various crimes, but the majority can only bear the title of "asshole".

The difference between then and now is that the 1/6 riot (and I will call it a riot) was one of the most damned peaceful riots I have ever seen. Yes some could be charged for assault or B&E. The majority barely even register farther than shouting at the congress that is supposed to represent them. That is not criminal or even malignant, it's politics.

I was against adopting the leftist tactics simply because it was a trap. The left firmly controls the press and social media so they control perception in a general sense.  I was more for covert action.

I learned that protests were a shitshow of overlapping agendas back in the 90’s when I went to protest KKK marches.

Agreed. However, people who are heavily invested in their worldview without the ability to see outside of it are easily coerced into such traps by the jingoistic drumbeating of their "leaders" who turn on them the second the plan doesn't drive the desired results.

As we are seeing right now.

STOP.

Just STOP this nonsense of "well durr durr if our side did it..."

It's not about our side vs that side and some sort of false equivalence - its about good vs. evil.

That's right. Communists are inherently EVIL. Antifa, BLM, etc. all subscribe to Communist / Marxist ideology.

Our side des NOT. Our side subscribes primarily to the ideals of our founders and that of freedom, or personal responsibility for our own lives - the exact inverse of Communism. By nature that means GOOD.

I'm so fucking tired of hearing about "Oh well now the right did it so where are people screaming for blood now! Where's the police now?! Where's this or that now!?" It's such bullshit.

Two vastly different sides with two vastly different ideologies. One inherently good, one inherently evil.

I'd argue there's no extremists on the right in this point in time. At least not in significant numbers compared to the left. At all.

There's just those who want our country to continue to exist upon the foundation it was created upon. That means in strict adherence to the constitution and the principles of our founders. We want anyone else who wants to modify that to fuck right off and go elsewhere.

That's not "extremist" at all... and if there was an overwhelming violent response from the right to the left's actions, I wouldn't call it "extremism", I'd call it natural consequences.

That's because you're probably a person of weak morals and zero integrity who seeks to find significance in their life by being a contrarian, as they know they offer nothing else to society.

Which is pretty common today. So not very special by definition. Unremarkable really.

Yes, the one involving arson. It wasn't just the Target, that was an example. It was several city blocks. They found bodies weeks later in basements when they were demoing the buildings, bet you never heard about that huh? People fucking cooked alive by these animals. I'm 25 miles away and I could smell the smoke for a goddamned week.

Are the congress cocksuckers any better than the people that got cooked in the basement of a liquor store? If someone cracked that cop over the head with a fire extinguisher he should be prosecuted. So should the cocksucker that shot Ashli Babbit.

So yeah, pardon me if I think mass arson is worse than stealing a podium or wiping a booger under Pelosi's desk.

Bottom line, before this summer I would have condemned the storming of the Capitol. But now? I don't give a fuck. The left has legitimized political violence and stolen an election, so what happens now is on them.

Well said.

For people that think it's all the same...go on, try to infiltrate or influence leftist institutions the way they did ours.  Tell us how successful you are.

Ahhhhh, and here we have the truth and most important point.

If we cannot live in a nation where representatives are held to answer to the people they supposedly represent, then we do not live in the nation that was created by our founders.

Literally in our Declaration of Independence:

Doesn’t really matter what we said about them back then. Nothing would change the way they’re portraying this now. Nothing.

Your point is moot. Case closed. [gavel]BANG![gavel] NEXT!

What does the word Hypocrite mean to you?  

Have a Brother that has decided not to talk to me again because of just that reason.

This

Does your boyfriend get pissed when you bring up old problems just to prove he's wrong?

Maybe you haven't been keeping up, Antifa was responsible for the violence on Jan 6th, 2021.

https://noqreport.com/2021/01/15/james-brother-of-accused-leftist-provocateur-john-sullivan-claims-226-antifa-members-started-capitol-riots/

https://noqreport.com/2021/01/15/we-did-it-cnns-jade-sacker-caught-celebrating-with-blm-instigator-john-sullivan-during-capitol-riots/

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You can jerk yourself off as much as you want. Doesnt change that treason against the crown, regardless of whatever contrived novel justification you can make, is still treason.

But hey, the colonials wrote themselves a permission slip in direct contravention to the law and authority given to the legislatures by the Crown and Parliament.

I read the title and thought OP painted his house an ugly color.

Well that worked when Paul Revere fake news'd a bunch of idiots throwing rocks and getting shot for it.

Its almost like you lot missed the election that resulted in the Rs picking up seats in that house. Its not okay to riot because you didnt like the results of the election. Doubles for killing an officer backed up against a wall. The actions on the 6th have more in common with a communist revolution than it did with the Declaration of Independence. Please stop wrapping yourself in the blanket of Revolution to defend the indefensible.

While the premise of individual judgment is sound, you're missing an extraordinary difference here that makes most BLM protestors complicit with riots in a way the Capitol protestors were not:

BLM supporters kept going back night after night for MONTHS, after the pattern of violent rioting was well-established.  In contrast, we saw a small percentage of Trump supporters riot at a protest of hundreds of thousands (and it's not even clear yet what the balance was between our guys and provocateurs).  It ended after a few hours, and we've been tripping over ourselves so hard to denounce the violence that we need to seriously regroup before we can hope to organize another protest at all.

The two situations aren't even close to comparable.

Here's the difference:

1. Show me where DJT has celebrated what happened at the Capitol and called for more
2. Show me where tech companies have amplified the gripes of the MAGA crowd, called for nationwide understanding, and generated astroturfed trends supporting it
3. Show me where the Republican Party comes out en bloc condemning the Capitol Police for being unnecessarily violent and murdering people, and called rioting healthy democracy
4. Show me where elected representatives have called for throwing molotov cocktails at the White House when Biden is inaugurated and stalking and harassing his cabinet
5. Show me where elected representatives have expressed exasperation that there aren't armed uprisings like this going on all over the country

Because I can show you all of that and from the Democrats, from bloggers up to the Speaker of the House.

Fanning the flames of political violence begets more of it from the other side, no matter how peaceful they might be from the start. For fuck's sake, did no one live through the 20th century or get raised by someone who did, or something?

You're exactly right.

They're (leftists) completely without honor or morals, so for them it's only whether you win or lose, and if you lose, you don't just lose, you get punished for losing, then you get punished for being a loser, then you get silenced because losers don't get a say.  Then you get destroyed financially because you're a scumbag loser, then.....

@Zhukov is wrong.


While I can wholely say that violence is not my preferred method of political discourse, Zhukov takes a position founded in idealism and skipping an entire year of the Overton Window being opened up, never mind the last decade.

Bush was in office, everyone was retarded warmongers following the monkey-Bush president. Burning the flag was acceptable, but protesting was to remain mostly peaceful. Coverage strictly one sided, few arrested.

Obama was in office, everyone who disagreed was racists. Those on the left were standing up for justice, and the "few trouble makers" were quietly dealt with, though mainly with kids gloves. Those on the right were racist trouble makers. Gun owners were racist while filming a black man carrying a rifle, with the zoom fully on the rifle so as not to see the black man carrying it.

Trump gets in office, protesting becomes a , "duty and obligation". The coverage of protests are overwhelmingly positive. Media carried hateful messaging to the people in a decidedly one directional matter. A baseball game was shot up by a deranged leftist and that single person,once linked, became 'not what we stand for, SEE LOOK WE SAID WE DON'T CONDOM IT' only to go right back into the political rhetoric. A Supreme Court Justice had a kangaroo court, complete with false accusations getting full prime time coverage without an iota of evidence. But don't worry, the media did their job to insulate the Democrat party members and ensure positive coverage to the left.

Fires erupted behind news reporters and Governors surveying damage were forced to flee. Attacks on Trump supporters were normalized. Kidnapping kids was treated like Jaywalking. State AGs ensured that rioters were let out of jail, uncharged. An organized resistance to law and order was formed, complete with phone numbers to lawyers funded by the Vice President and her staff. Hell, we weren't even allowed to ask about protesting for the purpose of COVID tracking.

That "normal and acceptable" form of protest was now violence. Violence against the community, the police, and the opposite political side. Murder in the street due to political leaning did not start with the right.

On 1/6 the Right walked through the window the Left opened and they were shocked. Only this time it wasn't the local Stop and Rob convenience store being burned. It wasn't the local hair salon being robbed, or the show store, or Best Buy and Walmart. It wasn't the police, white people, or the statues of long dead Americans being hit. The anger, through the window, was directed at  a legislature that had investigated ever nose hair on Trump but refused to look at massive voting irregularity. A judicial branch that has seen every "voter suppression" case they could find, but refused to hear last minute changes to State constitutions without the consent of the people.

With the anger being directed at them, the minions of Congress got scared and now we see the result. A combined effort to get the serfs in line.

No shit. Also, "we" were already all white supremacist, racist, nazi's well before the Capitol "riots".

We have been for at least 12 years now.
Damn, try to keep up.

*lalallalalalalala it’s different when it’s them lalalalalalalalalalala shut up shut up shut up lalallalalalala*

Did that happen in this thread? I must have missed it.

You mean rational justice? Is that a thing anymore?

This has to be a troll thread. Have you paid attention at all?

The left steamrolled over every conservative and republican with impunity literally because they called every single person who wasn't hard left a Nazi or racist or whatever.

Enjoy your loser logic as the GOPe and principled conservatives like yourself continue to get deplatformed, their rights restricted, and shouted out of the room.

Pathetic.

To whom did you say these things?  Other arfcommers?

Nothing changed for "the left." ACAB and defund & Reform types are also pointing out how quickly blue lives didn't matter to the people who accused reformers of hating police.

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Meh. Any democrat these days is a piece of fucking garbage in my book.

Dupitude

Quoted for emphasis. Best response in the thread.

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They dressed up as natives when they destroyed the king's property. Now, that guy might be a Qtard, but if going by looks, I'm not so sure that's an argument you want to make.

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Smartest Guys In The Room are really getting their asses kicked in this thread. It's glorious.

This a million times over.