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Posted: 1/13/2021 7:58:12 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Your title is inaccurate. You simply link to a court filing; there is nothing related to a court issuing a restraining order. https://mobile.twitter.com/HansMahncke/status/1349463412888252420 Reading the full response from Parler is pretty damning to AWS. Certainly seems like Parler has competent counsel; something that can't be said for Trump, unfortunately. |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 7:59:54 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Imagine that a lawsuit that lists specific and quantifiable details in it. There are certain high profile name attorneys that could learn from that.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 8:00:21 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It used to be a criminal offense to use a publicly owned company as your private property. Isn't that the whole point of government regulation? To protect the investors interest? Yes. They have a fiduciary responsibility to their investors. Something the “their company their rules” idiots always ignore. |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 8:01:17 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: AWS shot themselves in the dick. Why would anyone listen to a single sales pitch about all of their neat stuff that once you use it you are hogtied to a service that has openly and publicly proven it will try to kill your business. Worst part it was clearly done over politics, the FUCKING WORST way to make any business decision. Or the best, depending on who’s political side you’re with |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 8:02:39 PM EDT
[#5]
Fuck Amazon.
Fuck Bezos. I hope Parler fucks them good.....pieces of traitorous shit. |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 8:04:24 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He won at the USSC Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What happened to the shops that refused to bake the cake? He won at the USSC Which is now precedent straight from the top |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 8:07:54 PM EDT
[#7]
Page 3
AWS was aware of Parler's reactive rather than prospective content moderation policies Proactive?  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 8:10:22 PM EDT
[#8]
Wow, there's some good stuff in that pdf. Easy, clear language, too.
Saved! |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 8:13:48 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Your title is inaccurate. You simply link to a court filing; there is nothing related to a court issuing a restraining order. https://mobile.twitter.com/HansMahncke/status/1349463412888252420 OK, some dude tweeted it so it must be true. If I tweet it is bs does that make it bs? |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 8:16:23 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I hope they find a tablet that people with autism can take to make them if not normal, then fucking REASONABLE. There is nothing in the title or body of his post that says a court IS issuing or has issued a restraining order. There is pedantic, and then there is ass-backwardsantic Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Your title is inaccurate. You simply link to a court filing; there is nothing related to a court issuing a restraining order. I hope they find a tablet that people with autism can take to make them if not normal, then fucking REASONABLE. There is nothing in the title or body of his post that says a court IS issuing or has issued a restraining order. There is pedantic, and then there is ass-backwardsantic Did you miss this in the title; “Judge LIKElY to issue restraining order” |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 8:18:13 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you miss this in the title; "Judge LIKElY to issue restraining order" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Your title is inaccurate. You simply link to a court filing; there is nothing related to a court issuing a restraining order. I hope they find a tablet that people with autism can take to make them if not normal, then fucking REASONABLE. There is nothing in the title or body of his post that says a court IS issuing or has issued a restraining order. There is pedantic, and then there is ass-backwardsantic Did you miss this in the title; "Judge LIKElY to issue restraining order" Who posted this?: there is nothing related to a court issuing a restraining order. |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 8:19:18 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: After watching that lawyer’s YouTube explanation I would say Parler has a VERY strong case against Amazon, on a number of issues. This may be exactly what we need to drive a message home to big tech. Link? |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 8:22:01 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Who posted this?: there is nothing related to a court issuing a restraining order. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Your title is inaccurate. You simply link to a court filing; there is nothing related to a court issuing a restraining order. I hope they find a tablet that people with autism can take to make them if not normal, then fucking REASONABLE. There is nothing in the title or body of his post that says a court IS issuing or has issued a restraining order. There is pedantic, and then there is ass-backwardsantic Did you miss this in the title; "Judge LIKElY to issue restraining order" Who posted this?: there is nothing related to a court issuing a restraining order. I did. And there is nothing. |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 8:22:57 PM EDT
[#14]
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1349503006765678592?s=21
Not only that but it was planned on Facebook. Apple should have banned Facebook app, not Parler. |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 8:47:42 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1349503006765678592?s=21 Not only that but it was planned on Facebook. Apple should have banned Facebook app, not Parler. Saying "it" was planned doesn't really mean much. Was it the legal demonstration that was was planned on Parler or FB or was it the riot? |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 8:53:51 PM EDT
[#16]
Listen to Bongino’s show from Tuesday. He lays a lot of it out.
I hope they break it off in Amazon’s ass, but I’m sure some leftist judge will throw it out. |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 8:56:49 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I did. And there is nothing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Who posted this?: there is nothing related to a court issuing a restraining order. I did. And there is nothing. Where did the OP post anything that said there was a restraining order? |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 9:04:45 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: and highly coordinated with interesting timing Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I hope this is true. The amount of censorship right now is unbelievable. and highly coordinated with interesting timing True and was used to maximum effect. It only had to stop dissemination of information just long enough. Once headed in a direction, no way to steer away. “Oops, sorry. Our bad. We won’t do it again.” ETA: Orwellian. They know it’s Orwellian. Give a boy a hammer and everything looks like a nail. They’ll do it again. |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 9:27:23 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bake that cake. When they first took down parler this is the first thing that I thought of. I fully support the cake baker being able to refuse any customer he wishes. However, I imagine this is a very different case. Amazon is a publicly traded company, not a privately owned business. Also, I’m sure when using amazons web hosting services there is a contract involved, if amazon welched on their end of the deal without being able to prove parler violated the contract, then they’ve got themselves a case. |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 9:42:24 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Saying "it" was planned doesn't really mean much. Was it the legal demonstration that was was planned on Parler or FB or was it the riot? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1349503006765678592?s=21 Not only that but it was planned on Facebook. Apple should have banned Facebook app, not Parler. Saying "it" was planned doesn't really mean much. Was it the legal demonstration that was was planned on Parler or FB or was it the riot? I think the vital stats were None arrested had a Parler account. Some arrested had a Facebook account. |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 11:30:33 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When they first took down parler this is the first thing that I thought of. I fully support the cake baker being able to refuse any customer he wishes. However, I imagine this is a very different case. Amazon is a publicly traded company, not a privately owned business. Also, I’m sure when using amazons web hosting services there is a contract involved, if amazon welched on their end of the deal without being able to prove parler violated the contract, then they’ve got themselves a case. There is a big difference between requiring someone to use his personal talents to create something against his principles and denying a million people access to the digital streetcorner where they can shout their views, however reprehensive they are. ETA: Both of these support the 1st amendment. The baker can't be forced to express himself against his will and AWS can't silence others views. It all points to allowing individual expression. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 12:16:23 AM EDT
[#22]
F... Bezos & AWS.
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Posted: 1/14/2021 12:29:08 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Saying "it" was planned doesn't really mean much. Was it the legal demonstration that was was planned on Parler or FB or was it the riot? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1349503006765678592?s=21 Not only that but it was planned on Facebook. Apple should have banned Facebook app, not Parler. Saying "it" was planned doesn't really mean much. Was it the legal demonstration that was was planned on Parler or FB or was it the riot? https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1349490174082899968?s=21 WaPo so super reliable... |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 1:03:51 AM EDT
[#24]
Sounds like they have a decent case against AWS.
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Posted: 1/14/2021 1:12:03 AM EDT
[#25]
I have no faith in the black robed terrorists who preside in the show rooms of our "just us" legal system.
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Posted: 1/14/2021 1:16:49 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Good, I hope Parler breaks it off in Bezo's ass. Bezos doesn’t spend much time on the AWS side, that’s Jassy’s baby. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 1:34:56 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok arfcom legal eagles, riddle me this- If Amazon tries to settle or if the Courts rule in Parler’s favor- would that ruling or admission of guilt be enough, legally, to either activate or automatically enable the enforcement of Trumps EO’s??? Even if that happened after a Biden inauguration that would still be the case, unless Biden specifically canceled those EO’s, right? And the Dems wouldn’t even be able to scream Trump was “acting like a dictator” by seizing their businesses and assets... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Good, I hope Parler breaks it off in Bezo's ass. They may get enough damages to buy their own infrastructure.  Ok arfcom legal eagles, riddle me this- If Amazon tries to settle or if the Courts rule in Parler’s favor- would that ruling or admission of guilt be enough, legally, to either activate or automatically enable the enforcement of Trumps EO’s??? Even if that happened after a Biden inauguration that would still be the case, unless Biden specifically canceled those EO’s, right? And the Dems wouldn’t even be able to scream Trump was “acting like a dictator” by seizing their businesses and assets... of course not, but there are OBVIOUSLY income and going concern loss AND possible huge punitive damages. Imagine a legitimate 1st Amendment based conclusion for said judgement?? |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 1:37:46 AM EDT
[#28]
what analysis says likely
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Posted: 1/14/2021 1:56:17 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s definitely a plus. You mean you don't want to see the reams of evidence proving that AWS was directly responsible for the birth of the devil? Everything will blow open on Friday. Monday at the latest. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 1:57:03 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Judge says to let them back on and Amazon says no thanks. Do we think the FBI or someone else is going to force them or something? Yeah, ignoring a Federal Judge is a REALLY good way to discover that no matter how much money you have, it isn't enough. The Judge could order all of the principals of the company into custody until the order was complied with, and it would stand up, because no other judge would want to set the precedent that THEIR orders could be ignored. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 2:14:52 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: and highly coordinated with interesting timing Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I hope this is true. The amount of censorship right now is unbelievable. and highly coordinated with interesting timing But I've been reminded time and time again by virtue signaling corporate cock gobbling "principled" capitalist conservatives that its their business their rules? I hope they prevail but I hold out no hope. Especially after the 20th. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 3:19:05 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I would love to know what coordination took place between the tech companies and Democrats in particular elected officials such as Pelosi, Schumer and the Biden Campaign. If a tech company is being told to do this by these folks seems like then government and not a private company is restricting free speech. Tech has become a part of .gov at that point and clear 1st amendment violation. Quote HistoryQuoted: I would love to know what coordination took place between the tech companies and Democrats in particular elected officials such as Pelosi, Schumer and the Biden Campaign. If a tech company is being told to do this by these folks seems like then government and not a private company is restricting free speech. Tech has become a part of .gov at that point and clear 1st amendment violation. Yep. There is definite collusion going on behind the scenes without a doubt, just like how the media is a arm of the DNC at this point. Wikileaks proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the DNC is in direct coordination with all of the main media outlets and that they work together on how to cover stories, which is how state media works in dictatorships...The linked article has full details on it if anyone is interested. It's not new info but the collusion behind the scenes has ruined our free speech, and also our elections - the media being propaganda for Dems tips the scales in their favor and that's before election fraud is even considered. The bottom line is that the Democratic party no longer cares about hiding their corruption. New DNC Emails Expose More DNC-Media-Clinton Campaign Collusion The relationship is comparable to propaganda tactics employed by dictatorships On November 6, WikiLeaks released a second batch of Democratic National Committee (DNC) emails in addition to the 20,000 they released in July preceding the Democratic National Convention. The newly released DNC emails provide further evidence of how the DNC, Clinton campaign, and mainstream media coordinated together to elevate Clinton’s candidacy. “CNN is looking for questions,” read an April email between DNC staff asking to compile questions for CNN to ask Republican Sen. Ted Cruz in an interview. Questions for Donald Trump were also compiled by DNC staff to be asked on CNN. Emails from the DNC and Clinton campaign chair John Podesta have revealed how partisan CNN has behaved. A supposed media network and its journalists have been colluding behind the scenes with the DNC and Clinton campaign to propagate any preferred narrative of the Democratic Party. https://observer.com/2016/11/new-dnc-emails-expose-more-dnc-media-clinton-campaign-collusion/ |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 4:13:26 AM EDT
[#33]
I've read many of the pleadings and exhibits in this case, including Amazon's Acceptable Use Policy and Terms of Service. Parler agreed to abide by the TOS and AUP.
I think it's very unlikely Judge Barbara Rothstein will issue the restraining order Parler is requesting. There's no way this case ever goes to trial and it's very unlikely Parler gets the win. Parler clearly violated Amazon's AUP. The decision on the restraining order will probably be in before the end of the week. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 9:08:33 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, ignoring a Federal Judge is a REALLY good way to discover that no matter how much money you have, it isn't enough. The Judge could order all of the principals of the company into custody until the order was complied with, and it would stand up, because no other judge would want to set the precedent that THEIR orders could be ignored. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Judge says to let them back on and Amazon says no thanks. Do we think the FBI or someone else is going to force them or something? Yeah, ignoring a Federal Judge is a REALLY good way to discover that no matter how much money you have, it isn't enough. The Judge could order all of the principals of the company into custody until the order was complied with, and it would stand up, because no other judge would want to set the precedent that THEIR orders could be ignored.  Remember when Alito told PA to do certain election shit and they told him to fuck off? Nothing happened. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 9:14:03 AM EDT
[#35]
I mean....
Do we WANT Parler to win? It might be in our best interest for the future of this country if Parler loses. Just sayin. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 9:27:33 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: His ass is insulated by so much money he would never feel it. His wife already took half and he never skipped a beat. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Good, I hope Parler breaks it off in Bezo's ass. His ass is insulated by so much money he would never feel it. His wife already took half and he never skipped a beat. Then how about all of Amazon as a fine? |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 9:59:29 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He won at the USSC Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What happened to the shops that refused to bake the cake? He won at the USSC The Colorado guy won. The Oregon couple still were fined $160K. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:07:39 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bake that cake. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:11:24 AM EDT
[#39]
Not to be a Debbie Downer OP but the judge, before retiring and becoming a Senior District judge, was appointed to the bench by Jimmy Carter.
What makes you think she will rule for Parler? |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:12:19 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It used to be a criminal offense to use a publicly owned company as your private property. Isn't that the whole point of government regulation? To protect the investors interest? I don't disagree, but unfortunately the SJW agenda has been adopted by wall street |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:15:05 AM EDT
[#41]
Quoted: There is a big difference between requiring someone to use his personal talents to create something against his principles and denying a million people access to the digital streetcorner where they can shout their views, however reprehensive they are. ETA: Both of these support the 1st amendment. The baker can't be forced to express himself against his will and AWS can't silence others views. It all points to allowing individual expression. You don't have the right to post reprehensive content here. And the famous cake case had nothing to do with the art. The cake maker plainly stated in the lawsuit that he was compelled not to make the cake by religious convictions. Later someone came up with a cake itself that would offend him and is suing him on that. All of this is irrelevant though because this case isn't about offensive cake toppers or flavors or being offended over political positions. Amazon cites tens of thousands of posts and quotes several that are specific incitements of violence with the intent/goal of harming authorities and/or overthrowing the government. Amazon can't be compelled by contract or Constitutional theory to provide services involved in criminal activity. Or stated more briefly, case dismissed. If Parler didn't like this, they shouldn't host such content themselves. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:15:13 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I mean.... Do we WANT Parler to win? It might be in our best interest for the future of this country if Parler loses. Just sayin. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:18:39 AM EDT
[#43]
Remember that Amazon, Twitter, Facebook, ect are doing this partially because the incoming administration threatened anti trust action and arrests if they don't censor conservatives And do what they are told.
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:23:17 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In our best interest to suppress free speech? How so? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I mean.... Do we WANT Parler to win? It might be in our best interest for the future of this country if Parler loses. Just sayin. It will calm tensions, they will reel it back in just enough to keep incrementally killing America. As it stands, their crazy is showing, and it might actually backfire, and I'd rather it be epic than just a fart in the wind. @691 |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:49:16 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Listen to Bongino’s show from Tuesday. He lays a lot of it out. I hope they break it off in Amazon’s ass, but I’m sure some leftist judge will throw it out. Or they'll declare Amazon in breach, and award Parler $1. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 11:01:22 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: OK, some dude tweeted it so it must be true. If I tweet it is bs does that make it bs? Hope your day goes better, sounds like you’re unhappy |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 11:05:58 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's good, and Parler should win and collect huge damages. I would bet every one of those companies that targeted Parler was in breach of their own contract, but especially AWS. I have a hard time believing AWS has the contractual ability to just shut down a customer's entire infrastructure with only 24hrs notice for ANY reason much less one as trivial as user content on their site. AWS will almost certainly lose and take a financial hit but Bezos and his cronies don't care. Err, umm..were you around on Monday? AR15.com Backup Site Live, Switching to First Amendment Friendly Site Registrar On Monday, January 11, 2021, I received notice from our site registrar that AR15.com had violated their terms of service and that AR15.com would be shut down immediately. The registrar’s decision to de-platform AR15.com was final and no method to appeal was offered. It remains unclear specifically what content allegedly violated the registrar’s terms of service. However, I am happy to report that we have found a new, First Amendment-friendly site registrar and we have begun the process of transitioning AR15.com to the new registrar. We expect the switchover to take up to 5 days. During that time, our famous “AR15.com” URL will not be usable. Once the switchover is complete, AR15.com will be fully restored to normal function. In the meantime, I welcome freedom lovers and firearm enthusiasts to visit us at our temporary URL: www.ar15-backup.com. We will post on the backup site when the normal AR15.com has been completely restored. Juan Avila, President & Co-Founder, AR15.com |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 11:11:05 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not to be a Debbie Downer OP but the judge, before retiring and becoming a Senior District judge, was appointed to the bench by Jimmy Carter. What makes you think she will rule for Parler? Because Amazon’s retort to the court would sink all their other clients under equal protection. I don’t think Amazon thought it through and is just counting on the usual suspects to carry water for it  Attached File Pavlich: The idea that violent rhetoric only happens on Parler is 'beyond parody' |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 11:13:32 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But I've been reminded time and time again by virtue signaling corporate cock gobbling "principled" capitalist conservatives that its their business their rules? I hope they prevail but I hold out no hope. Especially after the 20th. 13 tweet denial posted yesterday https://mobile.twitter.com/jack/status/1349510769268850690 |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 11:18:03 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I hope this is true. The amount of censorship right now is unbelievable. Is it really? We knew it was coming. |
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