Posted: 3/26/2004 3:49:29 AM EDT
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Got this in email: Scott ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Worst President? The following appeared in the Durham, NC local paper as a letter to the editor. Please forward to all on your list as this will put things in perspective: Liberals claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war. They complain about his prosecution of it. One liberal recently claimed Bush was the worst president in U.S. history. Let's clear up one point: We didn't start the war on terror. Try to remember, it was started by terrorists BEFORE 9/11. Let's look at the "worst" president and mismanagement claims: FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year. Truman finished that war with the loss of 200,000 Japanese lives in just 4 days and started one in Korea, North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,333 per year. John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year. Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent . Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions. In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. We lost 600 soldiers, an average of 300 a year. Bush did all this abroad while not allowing another terrorist attack at home. Worst president in history? Come on! |
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One must remember that for the Taliban in America,the DU,the BOSS,is a nightmare.He dosn't like kommies and he doesn't like Americans getting their asses handed to them by the enemy. For the DU,kommiekerry is a godsend.He lies about everything and has an impeccable pro communist history.He is everything the democrats like in their leadership...LACKING. The Boss however believes in going to where the bad guys live and killing them thjere.Seems reasonable to me. The DU:WWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. |
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Puts a lot into perspective. Problem is that hardly anyone today gives a shit about learning from history. They think that something that happened last week is old. Something that happened a few years ago (9-11 anybody?) is the distant past and not worth being conserned about. [pissed] Something that happened 10, 20, 50 years ago has about as much impact as talking about when dinosaurs ruled the earth or when the solar system was formed. It's just too distant to be "real" to them. Such is the world we live in when attention spans are measured in milliseconds (soon to be picoseconds at the rate we're going). [rolleyes] |
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How did Bush Cripple Al Qaida? Wasn't it 2 weeks ago they blew up 4 passenger trains in Spain killing 190 people and injuring close to 2,000. Not to mention altering the elections, forcing Spain to recall their troops from Iraq. I saw a conservative writer on TV list Bush's accomplishments and he listed that Bush got North Korea to dissarm. WRONG! Bush is the type of President that people either give no credit for anything and they think he has not 1 virtue. Or people love him to death and think he can do no wrong. The reason why some people hate Bush isn't because he invaded Iraq. It's because he lied about WMD's as an excuse to invade. Not to mention he tried to tie Iraq to Al Qaedi which has no connection besides the fact that they are in the same general area on the map and they both dislike us. The comparison of entering WW2 and OIF is just ridiculous, I shouldn't even have to elaborate on that. Blaming the entire Vietnam conflict on JFK is even more retarded then blaming US involvement in WW2 on FDR. my advice...don't read local papers in NC |
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Quoted: Not to mention he tried to tie Iraq to Al Qaedi which has no connection besides the fact that they are in the same general area on the map and they both dislike us. You realize that our troops took out a huge terrorist training camp in northern iraq that was tied to Al Qaeda? My advice: research more. |
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Sarcasm.... Actually as far as Presidents go I vote for either the one that will do the leat harm to me. Or if not who will be so busy fighting with congress they will forget about me. I used to like Truman, he was a friend of my Grandfather. But recent revelations show he was as prejuiced and also anti semetic a sthe lot. |
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Quoted: FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Maybe a bit of a nitpick (I agree with the rest of the post), but Germany [b]DID[/b] attack us, though it can be said that we were egging it on at the time, by helping the British who were in active fighting with the Germans. The USS Kearney (DD-432) was one of five US destroyers escorting a convoy of freighters to Britain. She was torpedoed on 17 OCT 1941, but survived. On 31 OCT 1941, the USS Reuben James (DD-245) was torpedoed and sunk while escorting another convoy. J |
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Germany didn't attack us. We (the USA) put our dick on the line by defending the lend-lease convoys before we declared war on Germany. The worst President? Woodrow Wilson. Motherfucker invented the League of Nations and allowed Europe to ass-rape Germany after WWI. Quoted: Quoted: FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Maybe a bit of a nitpick (I agree with the rest of the post), but Germany [b]DID[/b] attack us, though it can be said that we were egging it on at the time, by helping the British who were in active fighting with the Germans. The USS Kearney (DD-432) was one of five US destroyers escorting a convoy of freighters to Britain. She was torpedoed on 17 OCT 1941, but survived. On 31 OCT 1941, the USS Reuben James (DD-245) was torpedoed and sunk while escorting another convoy. J |
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Quoted: Quoted: Not to mention he tried to tie Iraq to Al Qaedi which has no connection besides the fact that they are in the same general area on the map and they both dislike us. You realize that our troops took out a huge terrorist training camp in northern iraq that was tied to Al Qaeda? My advice: research more. While you're "researching", remember that camp was protected by US aircraft, in the "no fly zone", located in our allies territory, the Kurds. WE protected that camp!! |
| i gotta go with lbj, who was a complete joke. i think fdr gets a hard time, he led and held together this country through the most important war we've ever fought. hindsight's 20/20, and foresight definitely isn't. his era was COMPLETELY different from the one just 20 years after his. |
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Q3131A's 3 Worst Presidents of All time: 1. LBJ - The great society (Nuff Said) 2. FDR - Social Security: Has the potential to destroy this country in the next 30 years. Forces us to allow illegal immigration. 3. Wilson - For Income Tax and dreadful decisions following WWI. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Not to mention he tried to tie Iraq to Al Qaedi which has no connection besides the fact that they are in the same general area on the map and they both dislike us. You realize that our troops took out a huge terrorist training camp in northern iraq that was tied to Al Qaeda? My advice: research more. While you're "researching", remember that camp was protected by US aircraft, in the "no fly zone", located in our allies territory, the Kurds. WE protected that camp!! Oh man, is THAT a stretch. Preventing Saddam from killing Kurds in the North and Shiites in the South by establishing a no-fly zone ISN'T the same as "protecting" an al-queda camp. Unless you think that without the no-fly zones that Saddam would have went in and destroyed the camps himself. |
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Quoted: Germany didn't attack us. We (the USA) put our dick on the line by defending the lend-lease convoys before we declared war on Germany. The worst President? Woodrow Wilson. Motherfucker invented the League of Nations and allowed Europe to ass-rape Germany after WWI. Quoted: Quoted: FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Maybe a bit of a nitpick (I agree with the rest of the post), but Germany [b]DID[/b] attack us, though it can be said that we were egging it on at the time, by helping the British who were in active fighting with the Germans. The USS Kearney (DD-432) was one of five US destroyers escorting a convoy of freighters to Britain. She was torpedoed on 17 OCT 1941, but survived. On 31 OCT 1941, the USS Reuben James (DD-245) was torpedoed and sunk while escorting another convoy. J Uh, I don't mean to nitpick, but the German submarine U-30 sank the British passenger liner "Athenia" on September 4, 1939. U.S. citizens were on that ship. It was inevitable that the United States was going to get sucked into the war in Europe. Blaming our entry into the war on FDR or anyone other than Adolf Hitler is nonsense. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Not to mention he tried to tie Iraq to Al Qaedi which has no connection besides the fact that they are in the same general area on the map and they both dislike us. You realize that our troops took out a huge terrorist training camp in northern iraq that was tied to Al Qaeda? My advice: research more. While you're "researching", remember that camp was protected by US aircraft, in the "no fly zone", located in our allies territory, the Kurds. WE protected that camp!! Oh man, is THAT a stretch. Preventing Saddam from killing Kurds in the North and Shiites in the South by establishing a no-fly zone ISN'T the same as "protecting" an al-queda camp. Unless you think that without the no-fly zones that Saddam would have went in and destroyed the camps himself. Seriously! Some people will spin anything. |
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Worst president in history? That's a tough one. I really believe you have to consider the man and the times. We can speculate all we want, but we haven't the ability to properly put ourselves in the correct frame of mind for each era. FDR was considered a socialist by many, but he came in during a terrible depression when drastic measures were called for. Was he right? Did he overstep his bounds? There's a lot of different opinions there. Then there's Lincoln. Was he partially to blame for the war? Did he abuse his authority? If we judge a president by how crooked he was, we could point to a lot of them. My vote goes to Klinton as the worst. By that I mean the most destructive, laziest, most overbearing, pompous, conniving, scheming socialistic piece of shit to ever enter the office. Carter was bad, but he was just incompetent and lacked resolve. Hoover took the lion's share of the blame for the great depression, but he didn't make it and couldn't have stopped it if he tried. From Washington to GWB, Klinton wins hands down. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Not to mention he tried to tie Iraq to Al Qaedi which has no connection besides the fact that they are in the same general area on the map and they both dislike us. You realize that our troops took out a huge terrorist training camp in northern iraq that was tied to Al Qaeda? My advice: research more. While you're "researching", remember that camp was protected by US aircraft, in the "no fly zone", located in our allies territory, the Kurds. WE protected that camp!! Source? Not that I would ever doubt you, of course, but I need to see the source that you used for that info. That's all. Eric The(BurnedOnce,TwiceShy)Hun[>]:)] |
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Quoted: Worst president in history? [blue]That's a tough one. I really believe you have to consider the man and the times. We can speculate all we want, but we haven't the ability to properly put ourselves in the correct frame of mind for each era. FDR was considered a socialist by many, but he came in during a terrible depression when drastic measures were called for. Was he right? Did he overstep his bounds? There's a lot of different opinions there. Then there's Lincoln. Was he partially to blame for the war? Did he abuse his authority? If we judge a president by how crooked he was, we could point to a lot of them.[/blue] My vote goes to Klinton as the worst. By that I mean the most destructive, laziest, most overbearing, pompous, conniving, scheming socialistic piece of shit to ever enter the office. Carter was bad, but he was just incompetent and lacked resolve. Hoover took the lion's share of the blame for the great depression, but he didn't make it and couldn't have stopped it if he tried. From Washington to GWB, Klinton wins hands down. Da blue... I agree. |
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Quoted: You realize that our troops took out a huge terrorist training camp in northern iraq that was tied to Al Qaeda? My advice: research more. You wouldn't be trying to equate Al Qaeda with Saddam now would you, in support for your precious Bush regime (that can do no wrong apparently)? Especially since Ansar al-Islam operated inside [b]Kurdish controlled territory[/b], who are strong allies of the US? |
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Quoted: Blaming our entry into the war on FDR or anyone other than Adolf Hitler is nonsense. Not blaming our getting into the war on FDR. I was just stating that Germany had attacked US property (the two destroyers) before we were officially into the war. (Padding that statement, though, by saying that yes, we had gone into harms way, knowing that U-Boats were lurking, when those destroyers were guarding the Lend-Lease ships going to England. I'm amazed that we didn't get into it sooner than we did. The Japanese sank the "Panay" in December `37 as it was helping evacuate American citizens & embassy staff from advancing Japanese troops. Flying several US flags, along with several painted on the sides and tops, the "official" Japanese report stated that the pilots had mid-identified the ship (at 600 yards range) as Chinese. They paid a bit over $2 Mil, and we shut up about it. Sounds a bit "Chamberlain-appeasement" to me, but the pols didn't want us to get involved.... |
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Worst President...I would have to say LBJ. Not only did he tell Kennedy to go down to Texas to campaign for re-election (where his head was blown off...) But he was leading with his pride, and caused a lot of American deaths. It's Id***s like "The(butt)Wind" who make me laugh when they say that John Kerry was a Navy Seal in Nam that took part in war crimes by assisting his Seal team execute villigers. for all the people who think that John Kerry was a Navy Seal in Nam that took part in war crimes by assisting his Seal team execute villigers. It's Seneter Bob Kerry that was a Seal in Nam and who's involvement in war crimes is under question. |