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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:52:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're confusing responsibility with authority. Trump is ultimately "responsible" for everything. His "authority" however, is limited by the Law and the Constitution. I don't think he can be held responsible over things he as no authority over. Those with the authority are responsible in my book. Now maybe he made bad choices in picking people and as stated above he has already insinuated that with Fauci and flat out said it relative to Sessions. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:53:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fauci is an advisor. His job is/was to advise Trump, so that Trump can make decisions informed by THAT particular advice (and other information). Trump is responsible for HIS decisions. And as stated, Trump has insinuated he made a mistake by relying on Fauci. That's why he said he no longer seeks his advice much, if at all. ETA: You seem to be of the opinion that Trump has not admitted he made a mistake in that reliance. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:55:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think he can be held responsible over things he as no authority over. Those with the authority are responsible in my book. Now maybe he made bad choices in picking people and as stated above he has already insinuated that with Fauci and flat out said it relative to Sessions. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You're confusing responsibility with authority. Trump is ultimately "responsible" for everything. His "authority" however, is limited by the Law and the Constitution. I don't think he can be held responsible over things he as no authority over. Those with the authority are responsible in my book. Now maybe he made bad choices in picking people and as stated above he has already insinuated that with Fauci and flat out said it relative to Sessions. You cannot delegate responsibility -even if you have delegated the authority. It still falls upon YOU. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:56:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And as stated, Trump has insinuated he made a mistake by relying on Fauci. That's why he said he no longer seeks his advice much, if at all. ETA: You seem to be of the opinion that Trump has not admitted he made a mistake in that reliance. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Fauci is an advisor. His job is/was to advise Trump, so that Trump can make decisions informed by THAT particular advice (and other information). Trump is responsible for HIS decisions. And as stated, Trump has insinuated he made a mistake by relying on Fauci. That's why he said he no longer seeks his advice much, if at all. ETA: You seem to be of the opinion that Trump has not admitted he made a mistake in that reliance. I have no idea whether the President has admitted he made a mistake or not. It's irrelevant. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:57:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You cannot delegate responsibility -even if you have delegated the authority. It still falls upon YOU. Gotcha........that is all that you are saying. Ok, I can accept that. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:58:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have no idea whether the President has admitted he made a mistake or not. It's irrelevant. Well, what we do about those mistakes is very relevant and points to how effective a leader remains. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:59:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There comes a point where you have to take some responsibility for your own decisions. If you refuse to do so, you only prove you were never actually in charge. Trump's done nothing "wrong" regarding the Pandemic. But it IS and was always going to be a shit-show. Just deal with it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Not a good look for Trump. Say what you want about Fauci, but publicly blaming subordinates in your own administration is not the way a President should lead. Fuck that. The man was fake impeached based on bullshit developed by people that were supposed to be working for him. Drain the swamp includes career bureaucrats. There comes a point where you have to take some responsibility for your own decisions. If you refuse to do so, you only prove you were never actually in charge. Trump's done nothing "wrong" regarding the Pandemic. But it IS and was always going to be a shit-show. Just deal with it. Nah, Trump is in the right. I don't recall him blaming Fauci until after Fauci came out blabbering on TV, and essentially saying POTUS is wrong. Once he stood up on the podium blaming his boss, he deserved the bus driving over his ass. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 1:01:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nah, Trump is in the right. I don't recall him blaming Fauci until after Fauci came out blabbering on TV, and essentially saying POTUS is wrong. Once he stood up on the podium blaming his boss, he deserved the bus driving over his ass. Well, I think all he is really saying is Trump allowed this clown to be head man on the Task Force and he cannot run from the responsibility of that appointment. I can accept that. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 1:02:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Everybody sees the world through their own particular filter. Growing up, I believed that the biggest problem on the planet was Japanese automakers because my family worked in American automotive. Hanging out on the gun board, I see people that would vote for Hitler if he promised to hold the 2nd Amendment sacred and defund the ATF. I have neighbors that work in jobs where they get paid no matter what (educators, white collar work at home folks, government workers) and don't understand why people are making a big deal about things being closed. "All you have to do is watch Netflix and order take out, what's the big deal?". They have little comprehension that others are losing their livelihood. I have no doubt, that no matter how smart Fauci is, he is going to see the world through the filter of his experiences and expertise to some degree. To be perfectly honest, that's his job. It's not his job to look at the big picture and weigh the competing interests. That's Trump's job. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: When it comes to things pertaining to health, you pick leaders with degrees in medicine to lead the charge. Fauci failed. I think he has a thing for China and didn't like the travel ban. Fauci is a doctor. He is not an economist, politician, or foreign policy expert. He gave, what I can only assume, to be his best advice at the time solely in the interest of public health. It is then up to executive branch leadership to weigh the medical advice with every other competing factor, and lay out the best course of action for the country. If he truly failed, he should be fired. But at this point I think Trump is just looking for a scapegoat. That highlighted in bold would be a scapegoat. You're telling me that he wouldn't know what a lockdown would cause, second-order effects, if allowed to happen given the economic and politically charged environment we live in? Everybody sees the world through their own particular filter. Growing up, I believed that the biggest problem on the planet was Japanese automakers because my family worked in American automotive. Hanging out on the gun board, I see people that would vote for Hitler if he promised to hold the 2nd Amendment sacred and defund the ATF. I have neighbors that work in jobs where they get paid no matter what (educators, white collar work at home folks, government workers) and don't understand why people are making a big deal about things being closed. "All you have to do is watch Netflix and order take out, what's the big deal?". They have little comprehension that others are losing their livelihood. I have no doubt, that no matter how smart Fauci is, he is going to see the world through the filter of his experiences and expertise to some degree. To be perfectly honest, that's his job. It's not his job to look at the big picture and weigh the competing interests. That's Trump's job. So you're claiming that he is just ignorant and hasn't experience life like the rest of us? While he may not know what it's like not to have a job to go to , he would have to know keeping people separated and kids out of schools would cause hardships. Social interaction is a crucial part of life. He had to have learned that from his advanced degrees. No, he has an agenda, political or personal, to go along with this kind of thing. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 1:41:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That highlighted in bold would be a scapegoat. You're telling me that he wouldn't know what a lockdown would cause, second-order effects, if allowed to happen given the economic and politically charged environment we live in? It’s not his job. Would you let your mechanic take out your spleen? |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 1:46:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That highlighted in bold would be a scapegoat. You're telling me that he wouldn't know what a lockdown would cause, second-order effects, if allowed to happen given the economic and politically charged environment we live in? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: When it comes to things pertaining to health, you pick leaders with degrees in medicine to lead the charge. Fauci failed. I think he has a thing for China and didn't like the travel ban. Fauci is a doctor. He is not an economist, politician, or foreign policy expert. He gave, what I can only assume, to be his best advice at the time solely in the interest of public health. It is then up to executive branch leadership to weigh the medical advice with every other competing factor, and lay out the best course of action for the country. If he truly failed, he should be fired. But at this point I think Trump is just looking for a scapegoat. That highlighted in bold would be a scapegoat. You're telling me that he wouldn't know what a lockdown would cause, second-order effects, if allowed to happen given the economic and politically charged environment we live in? Are you referring to Trump? You should be. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 1:54:05 PM EDT
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I'm a Podiatrist...I make no claim to be an Infectious Disease specialist, Virologist, Epidemiologist or even an Economist...
But when My patients ask about this I try to explain it very simply: There are TWO opinions on the Virus...call them Black or White. One (Black) is the STRICTLY Medical opinion...even as a Podiatrist, I recognize that the ideal MEDICAL situation is to lock everything down until there is a 'cure' or a 'vaccine' for it...that will greatly slow or stop the spread of the disease. The other viewpoint is the STRICTLY Economic viewpoint (Call it White) and that is that any lockdown/social distancing, etc. will cause people to lose jobs, businesses to close, money not to be spent or earned, so you CAN'T lock down it you want to keep a viable economy. The problem is finding the proper shade of gray between them for your area. If you're in a heavy tourist area (relies on that money coming in), you'll want to tend towards the lighter shades of gray. If in a high population density/higher risk area, you'll want to go towards the darker shades to protect the population. The governors (and President) need to find the right balance. What is right for one area isn't going to work for another. Fauci is going to give the strictly BLACK (Medical) viewpoint...so he can only give information/advice that is limited to that viewpoint (and when he deviates, he's no longer giving 'expert' advice, merely opinions). |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 2:02:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He should have fired everyone he could at the top of the health advisory boards, and brought in new people whose loyalties were known. There's a conflict of interest when then alarm-ringers are also the problem solvers. Especially when a bad enough crisis results in them being given authority. This is so derp. So get rid of the experts but bring in yes men. There is something wrong with being an expert and offering solutions. Trump should fire everyone in his admin and just appoint a bunch of ARFCOM ‘Trump is a 4D chess player’ folks. He’d have all the loyalty he desired. And the US would probably run out of oxygen. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 2:13:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Has he apologized for being wrong on HCQ.......in fact, so wrong that people have died because of his error? How could Trump have overridden the medical authorities and make them prescribe HCQ when they were adamantly against it? In other words, why are we making him responsible for things he has no control over??? HCQ is not a slam dunk; there is good data and bad data. The most recent study I am aware of, out of Michigan, is also flawed. This article is a surprisingly good one showing the whole HCQ issue and the current debate. I am not going to quote any of it since it basically goes in chronological order and is long; Article |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 2:17:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fauxi should have been fired after he contradicted himself for the 87th time. Would you want your own doctor making as many wild ass guesses as this dude has? Everyone says get a second opinion except the ones who treat this ONE dude like he's The Oracle. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 2:20:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Would you want your own doctor making as many wild ass guesses as this dude has? Everyone says get a second opinion except the ones who treat this ONE dude like he's The Oracle. good post  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 2:26:38 PM EDT
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Per the White House - he hasn't taken a word of advice from Fauci in 2 months.
In any case - an administration (any administration) owns every direction they take.... or don't take. And they own the outcomes. Blaming advisors is weak. Very weak. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 2:40:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/14/2020 2:41:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWas the CDC correct then or now? Why? |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 2:44:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Was the CDC correct then or now? Why? Quote HistoryQuoted: Was the CDC correct then or now? Why? seems like neither to me seems like more of  Attached Fileedit---and I know I didn't answer your question I don't know----I don't think anyone knows---the numbers have been manipulated and the msm has spewed so much bullhit about it, no one really knows edit 2, btw cincinnatus, have always respected and enjoyed your posts even though I fear we disagree on this subject |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 2:45:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fauci told the president 2.5 million people would die if the economy wasn't shut down. Fauci knew that was bullshit. I bet it would have hit over 500,000 though by now I'm including schools in that number . It would have spread like crazy if every grade school and high school stayed open. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 2:50:54 PM EDT
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Trump hasn't fired Fauci but has marginalized him, which screws over the Democrat's plan because they want an official firing. It's just like when they were so upset that Trump was criticizing the Mueller investigation, but didn't actually fire Mueller. It forces them to defend Fauci (whose conduct and opinions are increasingly indefensible) when they want something actionable to attack him on and likely start another impeachment process for.
Notice the "conservatives" here are suddenly moaning about Trump's lack of "leadership". Two months ago Trump wasn't showing leadership because he wasn't ordering a national lockdown of the country and punishing states that disobeyed. They literally have nothing to criticize him on. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 2:55:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: seems like neither to me seems like more of https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/152525/9b14403ca309839b4c272aebe7243615c0a3fe35-1503643.JPG edit---and I know I didn't answer your question I don't know----I don't think anyone knows---the numbers have been manipulated and the msm has spewed so much bullhit about it, no one really knows edit 2, btw cincinnatus, have always respected and enjoyed your posts even though I fear we disagree on this subject Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Was the CDC correct then or now? Why? seems like neither to me seems like more of https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/152525/9b14403ca309839b4c272aebe7243615c0a3fe35-1503643.JPG edit---and I know I didn't answer your question I don't know----I don't think anyone knows---the numbers have been manipulated and the msm has spewed so much bullhit about it, no one really knows edit 2, btw cincinnatus, have always respected and enjoyed your posts even though I fear we disagree on this subject I ask the question, because I think the answer is probably based on science (my doctor and dentist seem to know when to wear masks) However, these days people only see masks through the lens of feelz and politics. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 2:56:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fauci is a bureaucrat with a medical degree. He has no concept of how people in the real world live. ChiCom ---> W.H.O. ---> Fauci. FF |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 2:56:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Trump hasn't fired Fauci but has marginalized him, which screws over the Democrat's plan because they want an official firing. It's just like when they were so upset that Trump was criticizing the Mueller investigation, but didn't actually fire Mueller. It forces them to defend Fauci (whose conduct and opinions are increasingly indefensible) when they want something actionable to attack him on and likely start another impeachment process for. Notice the "conservatives" here are suddenly moaning about Trump's lack of "leadership". Two months ago Trump wasn't showing leadership because he wasn't ordering a national lockdown of the country and punishing states that disobeyed. They literally have nothing to criticize him on. potus couldn't go against his advisers at the start of this ploy by the dems/rinos/chinese trying to keep him from being reelected so follow the directions of those in govt-------and slowly show them to be full of shit-----at least a way it could have went down end game? dunno |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 2:58:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Notice the "conservatives" here are suddenly moaning about Trump's lack of "leadership". Two months ago Trump wasn't showing leadership because he wasn't ordering a national lockdown of the country and punishing states that disobeyed. They literally have nothing to criticize him on. That's a straw man. WHO here criticized Trump two months ago for not ordering a National lockdown? Please be specific. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 2:59:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I ask the question, because I think the answer is probably based on science (my doctor and dentist seem to know when to wear masks) However, these days people only see masks through the lens of feelz and politics. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Was the CDC correct then or now? Why? seems like neither to me seems like more of https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/152525/9b14403ca309839b4c272aebe7243615c0a3fe35-1503643.JPG edit---and I know I didn't answer your question I don't know----I don't think anyone knows---the numbers have been manipulated and the msm has spewed so much bullhit about it, no one really knows edit 2, btw cincinnatus, have always respected and enjoyed your posts even though I fear we disagree on this subject I ask the question, because I think the answer is probably based on science (my doctor and dentist seem to know when to wear masks) However, these days people only see masks through the lens of feelz and politics. mostly yes, agree but the science part------kinda reminds me of----"the science is settled, climate change blah blah blah" that many have come to learn is bullshit also----edit, the numbers have been so fucked up---who knows? and who trusts it? not me  Attached File..........................................  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 3:03:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Notice the "conservatives" here are suddenly moaning about Trump's lack of "leadership". Two months ago Trump wasn't showing leadership because he wasn't ordering a national lockdown of the country and punishing states that disobeyed. They literally have nothing to criticize him on. This is why honest debate in GD is impossible. If you can link to a single post of somebody saying Trump wasn’t showing leadership because he didn’t lockdown the country, I’ll eat my hat. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 3:05:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I bet it would have hit over 500,000 though by now I'm including schools in that number . It would have spread like crazy if every grade school and high school stayed open. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Fauci told the president 2.5 million people would die if the economy wasn't shut down. Fauci knew that was bullshit. I bet it would have hit over 500,000 though by now I'm including schools in that number . It would have spread like crazy if every grade school and high school stayed open. And Fauci didn’t say that. He said WORST CASE 2.2 million would die if NOTHING was done. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 3:09:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is why honest debate in GD is impossible. If you can link to a single post of somebody saying Trump wasn’t showing leadership because he didn’t lockdown the country, I’ll eat my hat. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Notice the "conservatives" here are suddenly moaning about Trump's lack of "leadership". Two months ago Trump wasn't showing leadership because he wasn't ordering a national lockdown of the country and punishing states that disobeyed. They literally have nothing to criticize him on. This is why honest debate in GD is impossible. If you can link to a single post of somebody saying Trump wasn’t showing leadership because he didn’t lockdown the country, I’ll eat my hat. disagree trout me and you disagree on many things, yet I know you are a patriot, and would hope you think of me the same way we may not always get there the same way, but we both want USA and our people to do well |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 3:10:39 PM EDT
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Has he been run out on a rail yet?
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Posted: 7/14/2020 3:10:43 PM EDT
[#32]
Fauci caused the economy to tank.
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Posted: 7/14/2020 3:11:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I bet it would have hit over 500,000 though by now I'm including schools in that number . It would have spread like crazy if every grade school and high school stayed open. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Fauci told the president 2.5 million people would die if the economy wasn't shut down. Fauci knew that was bullshit. I bet it would have hit over 500,000 though by now I'm including schools in that number . It would have spread like crazy if every grade school and high school stayed open. Lol |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 3:17:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryDr Faki lied, grandma died. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 3:19:13 PM EDT
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It is actually a counter attack. Fauci attacked first and has continued throughout this whole mess. Now he's a victim? Yea... Fuck all that.
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Posted: 7/14/2020 3:19:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fauci caused the economy to tank. How did HE have such power? |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 3:24:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: disagree trout me and you disagree on many things, yet I know you are a patriot, and would hope you think of me the same way we may not always get there the same way, but we both want USA and our people to do well Disagreement is healthy, and honest people should be able to have their opinions swayed by evidence and facts. But it does nobody any good when “facts” are presented that simply aren’t true. And as far as I can tell, in this hyper-partisan age, both sides are guilty of manipulating the narrative. Honestly, I doubt there is a single member here who wouldn’t consider themselves a patriot, or who want the best for our country. Of course, differences in opinion on what that means will exist, but that’s what makes America great in the first place: the ability to disagree and debate in the pursuit of compromise. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 3:30:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Disagreement is healthy, and honest people should be able to have their opinions swayed by evidence and facts. But it does nobody any good when “facts” are presented that simply aren’t true. And as far as I can tell, in this hyper-partisan age, both sides are guilty of manipulating the narrative. Honestly, I doubt there is a single member here who wouldn’t consider themselves a patriot, or who want the best for our country. Of course, differences in opinion on what that means will exist, but that’s what makes America great in the first place: the ability to disagree and debate in the pursuit of compromise. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: disagree trout me and you disagree on many things, yet I know you are a patriot, and would hope you think of me the same way we may not always get there the same way, but we both want USA and our people to do well Disagreement is healthy, and honest people should be able to have their opinions swayed by evidence and facts. But it does nobody any good when “facts” are presented that simply aren’t true. And as far as I can tell, in this hyper-partisan age, both sides are guilty of manipulating the narrative. Honestly, I doubt there is a single member here who wouldn’t consider themselves a patriot, or who want the best for our country. Of course, differences in opinion on what that means will exist, but that’s what makes America great in the first place: the ability to disagree and debate in the pursuit of compromise. love it all until the end compromise with the insane commies ------that doesn't work but the rest? bro  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 3:38:50 PM EDT
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Another situation where our leader fails at leading and then blames everyone else. Trump could have used this as a way to put pressure on China, to clearly articulate the role of the fed, states and so many other missed opportunities because of rhetoric, indecision and no clear message. This isn't anything new, and after a few years its getting pretty old. I would say at this point in the game, when your most ardent supporters are only able to support you by peddling misinformation and conspiracy theories you've fucked up bigly.
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Posted: 7/14/2020 3:39:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So you're claiming that he is just ignorant and hasn't experience life like the rest of us? While he may not know what it's like not to have a job to go to , he would have to know keeping people separated and kids out of schools would cause hardships. Social interaction is a crucial part of life. He had to have learned that from his advanced degrees. No, he has an agenda, political or personal, to go along with this kind of thing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: When it comes to things pertaining to health, you pick leaders with degrees in medicine to lead the charge. Fauci failed. I think he has a thing for China and didn't like the travel ban. Fauci is a doctor. He is not an economist, politician, or foreign policy expert. He gave, what I can only assume, to be his best advice at the time solely in the interest of public health. It is then up to executive branch leadership to weigh the medical advice with every other competing factor, and lay out the best course of action for the country. If he truly failed, he should be fired. But at this point I think Trump is just looking for a scapegoat. That highlighted in bold would be a scapegoat. You're telling me that he wouldn't know what a lockdown would cause, second-order effects, if allowed to happen given the economic and politically charged environment we live in? Everybody sees the world through their own particular filter. Growing up, I believed that the biggest problem on the planet was Japanese automakers because my family worked in American automotive. Hanging out on the gun board, I see people that would vote for Hitler if he promised to hold the 2nd Amendment sacred and defund the ATF. I have neighbors that work in jobs where they get paid no matter what (educators, white collar work at home folks, government workers) and don't understand why people are making a big deal about things being closed. "All you have to do is watch Netflix and order take out, what's the big deal?". They have little comprehension that others are losing their livelihood. I have no doubt, that no matter how smart Fauci is, he is going to see the world through the filter of his experiences and expertise to some degree. To be perfectly honest, that's his job. It's not his job to look at the big picture and weigh the competing interests. That's Trump's job. So you're claiming that he is just ignorant and hasn't experience life like the rest of us? While he may not know what it's like not to have a job to go to , he would have to know keeping people separated and kids out of schools would cause hardships. Social interaction is a crucial part of life. He had to have learned that from his advanced degrees. No, he has an agenda, political or personal, to go along with this kind of thing. yup, his mission is to get FJB elected and that is all that matters. the ends justify the means |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 3:40:48 PM EDT
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Waiting for the 10th wave! Will I survive????!!!!!!
Omgggggg. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 3:41:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Another situation where our leader fails at leading and then blames everyone else. Trump could have used this as a way to put pressure on China, to clearly articulate the role of the fed, states and so many other missed opportunities because of rhetoric, indecision and no clear message. This isn't anything new, and after a few years its getting pretty old. I would say at this point in the game, when your most ardent supporters are only able to support you by peddling misinformation and conspiracy theories you've fucked up bigly. the normies aren't ready for all of that yet they have to be shown............... if it were up to me and you----this would be all over by now for sure----helicopter rides for many and be done with it potus is trying to do it legal like----kind of has to in fact to stick to principles |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 3:55:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When your "advisor" is blamed for the problems YOU were in charge of dealing with, it makes it seem as though you made him THE decider, rather than the advisor. Infectious disease experts are not economic experts. Nor are they mental heath experts. Nor are they National Security experts. Nor are they education experts. Assemble the experts, get all their input, then make your decisions, THEN take responsibility for the results. Manage expectations along the way. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not a good look for Trump. Say what you want about Fauci, but publicly blaming subordinates in your own administration is not the way a President should lead. When your "advisor" is blamed for the problems YOU were in charge of dealing with, it makes it seem as though you made him THE decider, rather than the advisor. Infectious disease experts are not economic experts. Nor are they mental heath experts. Nor are they National Security experts. Nor are they education experts. Assemble the experts, get all their input, then make your decisions, THEN take responsibility for the results. Manage expectations along the way. This. Trump deferred leadership to 50 governors and a couple doctors. Even if Fauci was wrong the whole time, he has no executive authority |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 3:57:44 PM EDT
[#44]
I think you spelled Fauxci wrong!
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Posted: 7/14/2020 3:58:54 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: compromise with the insane commies ------that doesn't work I agree, it sure doesn’t seem like it today. Obama and Trump have been two of the most divisive presidents in our country’s history, and the gap between left and right is ever widening. But over the last 250 years, I assure you there have been times as politically challenging and abrasive as we have today. But what has made America great has always been the ability to seek and reach compromise. Except for that one time we couldn’t, and I don’t know who in their right mind wants to see that again. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 4:06:05 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think he can be held responsible over things he as no authority over. Those with the authority are responsible in my book. Now maybe he made bad choices in picking people and as stated above he has already insinuated that with Fauci and flat out said it relative to Sessions. He is not. You are beating a dead horse with the back and forth. He'll spend 24/7/365 getting the last word in. It's the same old song and dance of #itsalltrumpsfault The state governors have done more to ruin everything than Trump ever could have with his federal authority. There is plenty of blame to go around. Everybody is winging it and were still learning all the time. Mainly how blue run states can ruin America. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 4:06:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: potus couldn't go against his advisers at the start of this ploy by the dems/rinos/chinese trying to keep him from being reelected so follow the directions of those in govt-------and slowly show them to be full of shit-----at least a way it could have went down end game? dunno Short term is to reduce the leverage the Democrats have in the coming covid stimulus bill. There is a lot of pressure right now to get something passed because the enhanced unemployment benefits end in July, and the lockdown states are going to be hurt much more than the rational states. Slightly longer-term is to reduce the opposition to opening schools. They are furious about Trump forcing schools to reopen because among other things it means that the government can't make vaccinations a precondition for attending school, and once kids are in school any "second wave" that happens is way too far from election day so that also hurts the plans to have an entirely mail-in election. Not sure if there's an end game besides simply "not being trapped", but then again that is probably a good enough goal in itself. Trump will simply ignore people and marginalize them until they quit over something stupid. If he did it with Mattis who had wide partisan support in addition to having vastly more authority then he'll do it to some career federal weenie like Fauci. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 4:11:55 PM EDT
[#48]
In this case I think we need to listen to the good doctor.
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Posted: 7/14/2020 4:17:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fauci caused the economy to tank. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 4:21:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fauci is a bureaucrat with a medical degree. He has no concept of how people in the real world live. ChiCom ---> W.H.O. ---> Fauci. Trump has a concept of people in the real world live? |
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