Posted: 2/26/2004 9:23:17 AM EDT
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If it can be proven that your gun was not stored properly, you are fined $2,500, you [red]loose your 2nd Ammendment rights and you are liable for the damage , injury or damage caused by the 3rd party's criminal act.[/red] WTF? I hate this crap. If being victimized by a robber isn't bad enough, then your victimized by the government. Don't these fools realize all a criminal needs is 2 minutes with a dremel and no more gun locks. |
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W T F?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is about the biggest piece of horseshit I've seen come along since the AWB! What if there aren't any children in your home? WTF do I have to have a lock on my gun for then? So I can't use it quickly in case I need them? All you need is my Dremel which is in the same damn room and you could take it off in 2 minutes or probably quite a bit less. God... I suppose a child will somehow just wander into my house and find the gun and shoot themselves in the head when I'm not looking or not home... |
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You can thank the following republicans for their support of this admendment - after all, it's 'for the children': Brownback (R-KS) Chafee (R-RI) Cochran (R-MS) Coleman (R-MN) Collins (R-ME) DeWine (R-OH) Domenici (R-NM) Fitzgerald (R-IL) Frist (R-TN) Grassley (R-IA) Gregg (R-NH) Hagel (R-NE) Harkin (D-IA) Hollings (D-SC) Hutchison (R-TX) Jeffords (I-VT) Lugar (R-IN) McCain (R-AZ) McConnell (R-KY) Murkowski (R-AK) Roberts (R-KS) Santorum (R-PA) Smith (R-OR) Snowe (R-ME) Stevens (R-AK) Voinovich (R-OH) Warner (R-VA) |
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Quoted: WTF do I have to have a lock on my gun for then? So I can't use it quickly in case I need them? ...Yes. I think that might be why. That's the only thing I can figure. When I was growing up I knew where all the guns were in the house. They were stashed everywhere within my reach. Behind curtains, on shelves... I knew not to touch them though. I am assuming they were all loaded and ready to go too. I got a "free" gunlock with my permits ($5 a piece), haven't used it yet, in fact it's still wrapped in plastic. I don't have any children, and that gun is there for a REASON. |
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Quoted: damnit can't get the page for the actual amendment to load: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:SN2620: I get this. The text of S.AMDT.2620 has not yet been received from GPO Bills are generally sent to the Library of Congress from the Government Printing Office a day or two after they are introduced on the floor of the House or Senate. Delays can occur when there are a large number of bills to prepare or when a very large bill has to be printed. ************* Usually they're up by the end od the day if not sooner. |
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Guys - the way the ammendment is written, you realize this means when you buy a gun on gunbroker.com, and have it transferred thru your local friendly FFL for $15-25 --- that price is fixing to go up, because by law when doing a transfer (even for a used gun you bought frmo out of state) he'll have to include a gun lock. [rolleyes] ARGH. |
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Quoted: Dave_A: Master doesn't make locks in Milwaukee anymore, its all subbed out to the PRK. There was a big brew-ha-ha a few years back when the Master gun locks were recalled because their Chinese contractor made it wrong. I have one of these locks. You can pull it apart with your hands. I was not impressed. Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas... |
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Quoted: Sold me down the river.... Big surprise. I am becoming of the opinion that those advocating noncompliance with the law have the right idea. I've done everything I could do to be compliant but our gov't is not our friend. Hopefully this will get shot down in conference but the fact that Republican Senators would do this is as concerning as the AW ban. But, yeah, some of you can keep talking about working within the system, blah, blah, blah...Just turn 'em in and get it over with. The women now run our country and you can let them tell you what to do. |
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Quoted: Dave_A: Master doesn't make locks in Milwaukee anymore, its all subbed out to the PRK. There was a big brew-ha-ha a few years back when the Master gun locks were recalled because their Chinese contractor made it wrong. I know... I dubbed it the 'Master Lock Job Protection Act' because the only thing it will accomplish besides increasing costs to FFLs is to increase the sales of their products... Due to Herbie & his pals in the WI (D) party, and their pals in the labor movement, no one makes anything of import in Milwaukee anymore (well, Miller still brews beer & stinks up downtown doing it)... |
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[i]If[/i] this turd becomes law, I predict a short, ugly life. There is no constitutional basis for regulation of use or storage of consumer products once they have come to rest within a state outside the stream of interstate commerce. The Supremes were only too happy to point this out when they shot down the "Gun Free School Zone" law. If the feds can require you to store your guns with locks, they can require you to slice green beans on the bias instead of straight across. They could (under the present monstrous view of the Interstate Commerce Clause [everybody be sure to hug a New Dealer!]) require that guns be shipped locked in interstate commerce, but I just don't think a police power regulation of noncommercial products which have left the stream of commerce will last. Of course, I didn't realize that Stalinists (as distinct from mushhead do-gooders)had taken over the USSCt until the McCain-Feingold ruling came down. |
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The sky isn't falling. The proposal says it has to be included. Doesn't say you have to use it. Now those of you that demand your right to leave your guns out where they can be easily stolen when you aren't there. Well maybe you can learn to lock them up WHEN YOU ARE GONE. Doesn't take all that long. Safety begins with and ends with the owner. Unless of course you don't feel people should be held responsible for their actions? |
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Quoted: The sky isn't falling. The proposal says it has to be included. Doesn't say you have to use it. Now those of you that demand your right to leave your guns out where they can be easily stolen when you aren't there. Well maybe you can learn to lock them up WHEN YOU ARE GONE. Doesn't take all that long. Safety begins with and ends with the owner. Unless of course you don't feel people should be held responsible for their actions? Every trigger lock gets added to the cost of the gun you buy. Doesn't matter if it's five dollars or five cents - they federal government doesn't have the right to nickel and dime our constitutional rights away. |
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Hey all, Keepandbeararms.com has the text of a preliminary version of the Boxer gunlock amendment available if you want to look at it. Personally, I hope the House can strip it out; but if you didn't follow the debates today we faced 3 anti-gun amendments and shot down all of them but this one. Edited to add: The bill is actually pretty lame except for one clause. I already get trigger locks with most of the new guns I buy and have a box of them that I never use. The part that bugs me about the Boxer bill is that the CPSC has to approve the locks - so if no locks are approved, then no guns can be sold legally. Personally I just don't trust the CPSC not to use that politically the first chance they get. |
| The amendment requires guns to be sold with locks. She tried to require guns be stored with locks or be subject to a $2500 fine and losing one's gun rights but this was removed by amendment. If I order a gun and have it sent to my FFL for transfer, I'll simply give him one of the many I don't use and have him put it with the gun. |
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Quoted: The amendment requires guns to be sold with locks. She tried to require guns be stored with locks or be subject to a $2500 fine and losing one's gun rights but this was removed by amendment. [red]If I order a gun and have it sent to my FFL for transfer, I'll simply give him one of the many I don't use and have him put it with the gun.[/red] That's brilliant -- I hadn't yet thought of that. Maybe that will help keep down the cost of FFL transfers to what they are now. Also if your local PD or whatever is giving out "free" gunlocks (yes I know your taxes pay for them) then go pick up a few so when you do transfers you can "give" them to your FFL. |
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Quoted: Why in the hell did we ever let women be elected to Congress? Why did we give 'em the vote? These are questions which will haunt our progeny for centuries to come. True I suppose. j/k but seriously- it's the men in congress who have sold their manhood to these whores and lack the backbone to be real American men. |
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Well, if this gets by then the next step will be "Oh, well every gun sold has a lock so now we're going to require you to USE them." Mark my words. Incrementalism is how these bastards have gotten as far as they have. As a PRK resident this pisses me off even more as we already have to buy a lock if a "California approved" one is not provided with the gun. You can't provide your own unless you purchased it within the past 30 days and show a reciept (WTF?!?). To get around this horseshit, we just bought a "California approved" safe. If this passes does it mean that I have to buy a lock even if I already have an "approved" safe. [banghead] |
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The CPSC is the ultimate left wing extreme hate group. If you want to be in government but are too far left for even state you go there. The same group that tried to ban ammo, the same group that banned toy guns, will now have full authority to approve a 'safe' gun lock. If they can't find one to approve, no gun sales. What if they can find one, after six months of testing (and no gun sales) and it is called a safe and costs $2,000 each? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Why in the hell did we ever let women be elected to Congress? Why did we give 'em the vote? These are questions which will haunt our progeny for centuries to come. True I suppose. j/k but seriously- it's the men in congress who have sold their manhood to these whores and lack the backbone to be real American men. No doubt. And if you've read posts of mine in the past I have totally laid the blame for this at the feet of the men in this country. No one to blame but ourselves. |
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Quoted: Now those of you that demand your right to leave your guns out where they can be easily stolen when you aren't there. Well maybe you can learn to lock them up WHEN YOU ARE GONE. Doesn't take all that long. Safety begins with and ends with the owner. Unless of course you don't feel people should be held responsible for their actions? When I leave the house, my guns [b]are[/b] locked up - locked inside my house! Locked is locked unless you want to get into a pissing match about how locked up is sufficiently locked up. Then I could easily tell you that your $500 Homack isn't enough that you need to have it in a $2,000 vault. Then that's not enough either, you need a $5,000 alarm system. Ad nausem. Thanks for being the troll. |