Posted: 2/14/2004 6:14:02 AM EDT
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There was a documentary on TV yesterday about the last Japanese soldier to surrender after WWII. He lasted untill 1974 on one of the Phillipine islands. When he got back to Japan he decided he couldn't live in his country anymore because it had been defeated in battle. He is looked upon as a national hero and is a very unreconstructed rebel type of soldier. If he had his way I believe we; the United States, would be fighting Japan again in the near future. |
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Quoted: There was a documentary on TV yesterday about the last Japanese soldier to surrender after WWII. He lasted untill 1974 on one of the Phillipine islands. When he got back to Japan he decided he couldn't live in his country anymore because it had been defeated in battle. He is looked upon as a national hero and is a very unreconstructed rebel type of soldier. If he had his way I believe we; the United States, would be fighting Japan again in the near future. That was the very impression I got from it as well. He seemed to be very disappointed that Japan wasn't the power it once was. He didn't seem to understand (or accept) that this was a result of Japan's atrocities. Then again, he wouldn't admit to the scores of Filipinos that he and his bunch killed after the war during his time in hiding either. |
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This just in! One of the last Confederate holdouts has been located deep in the heart of Texas. Ericthe(unreconstructed)Hun has been eluding capture by Federal troops for the last 40+ years by posing as a lawyer. He has been living off of captured Don Julio tequila, Barbecue, and clients money while hiding his clandestine identity. Capture is imminent. |
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Quoted: No, your mistaken. What kind of arguement/proof is that? I can argue like that too. Fuck it. I know I am right, I even looked it up. Wow, that went from zero to hysterical in about 8 seconds. What did you find from your research? I'd be happy to read what you found. Could you quote the source please? Believe what ever you want. I really don't care, what you choose to believe. It is your choice. Bye-bye No need to take your ball and run home. If you're correct, lay out your proof and I'll admit that I'm wrong. You see, it's not a horrible thing to admit that. [b]Edited to add: As a matter of fact, I'd be so pleased to see the results of your research that I'd be willing to ship to you 100 rounds of 5.56mm if you can show me another Japanese-soldier-holdout after LT Onada's surrender.[/b] |
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Quoted: No, your mistaken. What kind of arguement/proof is that? I can argue like that too. Fuck it. I know I am right, I even looked it up. Believe what ever you want. I really don't care, what you choose to believe. It is your choice. Bye-bye I am very interested in this information you are writing about. Would you please let me know where I can find it? Man, these old guys just don't know the meaning of surrender, huh? I wonder what happened to all of their ammo. The documentary showed them caching crates of ammo and supplies but they claimed they had to ration ammo. Maybe it was captured. |
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Quoted: Quoted: No, your mistaken. What kind of arguement/proof is that? I can argue like that too. Fuck it. I know I am right, I even looked it up. Believe what ever you want. I really don't care, what you choose to believe. It is your choice. Bye-bye I am very interested in this information you are writing about. Would you please let me know where I can find it? Man, these old guys just don't know the meaning of surrender, huh? I wonder what happened to all of their ammo. The documentary showed them caching crates of ammo and supplies but they claimed they had to ration ammo. Maybe it was captured. Tougher yet - how do you maintain your rifle for 30 years [b]in the jungle![/b] Talk about a corrosion nightmare. |
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2Lt. Hiroo Onada surrendered in 1974. [url]http://www.straightdope.com/columns/000310.html[/url] Don't recall how their rifles were maintained, but it was functional upon its surrender. I would think that during the many raids on local farmers, where he and his cohorts stole what they needed, many articles of use, including suitable oils, were taken He cached large glass jars of ammo at various places early on, when it was plentiful. He and his comrades became nothing more than murdering thieves. No wonder that the Phillipinos were glad to have the chance, however infrequent, to take a shot at them. And yes, I did read his book. Onada is absolutely unrepentant about his own actions, and those of the Japanese Empire. Who can blame him, though? For the most part, the Japanese as a whole are remarkably silent about the atrocities they committed during the war. |
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[b]April 1980[/b] Philippines - Mindoro Island Captain of the Japanese Imperial Army, Fumio Nakahira, held out until April 1980 before being discovered at Mt. Halcon. [b]1989 Thailand[/b] - Two Japanese Soldiers Surrender Two x-Japanese Army soldiers: Kiyoaki Tanaka and Shigeyuki Hashimoto went onto fight with the Malaysian Communist Party (Malaysian Communist Party), in Southern Thailand. The two were part of a group of x-Japanese Army soldiers and civilians figuting with the MPAJA. (I must note that these two might not be considered true hold-outs because they knew the war was over. They were former Japanese Army soldiers who went on to fight with another faction and never returned home. So this one is open to some small debate.) Mindoro, Philippines [b]January 14, 1997[/b] "WAR IS OVER An 85-year-old Japanese soldier has been found on the Philippine island of Mindoro. Going under the name of Sangrayban, he had been living among the Mangyan tribe for 54 years. He had a wife from the tribe who had given him four children and he was in very good health, according to Rufino Baldo, a member of a team searching for such Japanese stragglers. Sangrayban was one of a group of soldiers who landed on the island in 1943 with orders not to surrender under any circumstances. He thought that American leaflets dropped over the island in 1945 declaring the war was over were a propaganda trick, so after his companions died he went native. According to one of the search party, "He has blocked out nearly all of his memories of pre-war Japan, but he still speaks an old-fashioned form of Japanese." He does not want to leave his sick wife and is unlikely to return to Japan. Several Japanese soldiers have been found in the Philippines still fighting World War II, the most famous being Hiroo Onoda in 1974. Onoda was unable to adapt to modern Japan and now lives in Brazil." CANBERRA TIMES, 14 Jan 1997. All articles are from Aussie news papers. So, there were holdouts through the 1980's and 1990's.And yes Jonny Reno, I am quite sure I was 2 years old in 1974. [;)] |
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Quoted: [b]Edited to add: As a matter of fact, I'd be so pleased to see the results of your research that I'd be willing to ship to you 100 rounds of 5.56mm if you can show me another Japanese-soldier-holdout after LT Onada's surrender.[/b] That makes 4 after Onada, so that would be 400 rounds of ammo [;)] |
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Quoted: [b]April 1980[/b] Philippines - Mindoro Island Captain of the Japanese Imperial Army, Fumio Nakahira, held out until April 1980 before being discovered at Mt. Halcon. Hmmmm. Interesting. [b]1989 Thailand[/b] - Two Japanese Soldiers Surrender Two x-Japanese Army soldiers: Kiyoaki Tanaka and Shigeyuki Hashimoto went onto fight with the Malaysian Communist Party (Malaysian Communist Party), in Southern Thailand. The two were part of a group of x-Japanese Army soldiers and civilians figuting with the MPAJA. (I must note that these two might not be considered true hold-outs because they knew the war was over. They were former Japanese Army soldiers who went on to fight with another faction and never returned home. So this one is open to some small debate.) Yes, I'd debate that these two were not holdouts. They knew the war was over and chose to become mercenaries. Mindoro, Philippines [b]January 14, 1997[/b] "WAR IS OVER An 85-year-old Japanese soldier has been found on the Philippine island of Mindoro. Going under the name of Sangrayban, he had been living among the Mangyan tribe for 54 years. He had a wife from the tribe who had given him four children and he was in very good health, according to Rufino Baldo, a member of a team searching for such Japanese stragglers. Sangrayban was one of a group of soldiers who landed on the island in 1943 with orders not to surrender under any circumstances. He thought that American leaflets dropped over the island in 1945 declaring the war was over were a propaganda trick, so after his companions died he went native. According to one of the search party, "He has blocked out nearly all of his memories of pre-war Japan, but he still speaks an old-fashioned form of Japanese." He does not want to leave his sick wife and is unlikely to return to Japan. Several Japanese soldiers have been found in the Philippines still fighting World War II, the most famous being Hiroo Onoda in 1974. Onoda was unable to adapt to modern Japan and now lives in Brazil." CANBERRA TIMES, 14 Jan 1997. All articles are from Aussie news papers. [url]http://www.wanpela.com/holdouts/registry.html[/url] From the above URL: January 1997 - 85 Year old Sangrayban discovered on Mindoro "WAR IS OVER An 85-year-old Japanese soldier has been found on the Philippine island of Mindoro. Going under the name of Sangrayban, he had been living among the Mangyan tribe for 54 years. He had a wife from the tribe who had given him four children and he was in very good health, according to Rufino Baldo, a member of a team searching for such Japanese stragglers. On Mindoro, Sangrayban was one of a group of soldiers who landed on the island in 1943 with orders "not to surrender under any circumstances". He thought that American leaflets dropped over the island in 1945 declaring that the war was over were a propaganda trick. After his companions died, he went native, living among the Mangyan tribe for 54 years. He married a Mangyan women and had four children. He has blocked out all his memories of pre-WWII Japan, but he still speaks an old fashioned form of Japanese. When discovered, he was in "very good health". He does not want to leave his sick wife and is unlikely to return to Japan." [red]NOTE - This story was later proved to be a hoax.[/red] Well, I have to admit those names provided for some interesting reading. I'd say your last two examples were not valid. However, your first one appears to be correct. IM me your address and I'll get 100 rounds out to you pronto. |
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I looked up the last one more deeply using your link. Looks like you are right on that one. I [b]knew[/b] I remembered hearing about one in the '90s. At leat I am not going crazy, I really did hear the news. (If it was on the news is had to be true!) I see that your article looks to be the same - only updated. I had took mine directly from the source from the origional print time. That would explain the difference. The two guys captured in 1989 had to be some real kick ass mercs at that age huh. Don't worry about the ammo. |
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Quoted: And yes, I did read his book. Onada is absolutely unrepentant about his own actions, and those of the Japanese Empire. Who can blame him, though? For the most part, the Japanese as a whole are remarkably silent about the atrocities they committed during the war. I watched this show on the History Channel about the Bataan Death March, and they said the Japanese Colonel who commanded the forced march was unrepentant about the atrocities his men committed. After the war, he escaped punishment and became a very powerful man in the Japanese government. Yeah, and I'm not sorry we nuked 'em either. [edited to fix dumb*ss spelling of "colonel"] |
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Onoda was the last "real" hold-out. He was the only one maintaining any discipline. The others had assimilated to some extent or were afraid to surrender for a variety of reasons. Visit the Yasakuni Shrine web pages to understand why the bomobings were necessary. |
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Quoted: Onoda was the last "real" hold-out. He was the only one maintaining any discipline. The others had assimilated to some extent or were afraid to surrender for a variety of reasons. Visit the Yasakuni Shrine web pages to understand why the bomobings were necessary. I saw the show and it really demonstrated the Japanese dedication to bushido. I believe the bombings were necessary. I had a college professor who had served with the 83rd Inf Div in the ETO in WW2 and was supposed to be sent to fight in the invasion of Japan. He IS very glad and grateful for the atom bomb! |