Posted: 2/2/2004 1:17:08 PM EDT
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It just hit me like a lighting bolt why magazines prices have dropped so much in price. Most of us feel that it is that the AWB is about to sunset without a replacement. This I hope is the most probable outcome. If so, new magazines will be made. Still this doesn't explain the prices today. September is eight months away. So I ask myself why the drop? There are three outcomes for next September. It is a given that AWB will sunset. So here are the possibilities. 1. No new law. 2. New law identical to old law. 3. New law with more restrictions. We are hoping for #1. # 2 will never happen. Supporters of the AWB learned from their "mistakes" and wouldn't repeat it. So if it isn't #1 then it is #3. At minimum, #3 would add more firearms by name and would ban all magazines above ten or fifteen with NO grandfather clause. So in a nutshell if #1 happens. Magazines will return to normal values. If #3 happens, 20 and 30 round magazines will have no value. To me this explains the "cheap" pre-ban magazines we see today. Philip |
| As I'm sure my prior posts have made clear, I am not very sophisticated when it comes to mathematics or economics. That said, I'm guessing that, given the uncountable millions of "pre-ban" magazines in circulation (remember, they were wholly unregulated - not even counted at the time of manufacture - up till 1994), the post-ban price increase was probably an anomaly. Think about all the magazines that have to have gone from publiuc to private hands every time a mildly enthusiastic shooter has left the military or a LE agency (and no, I don't approve of stealing, even from the biggest thief of all). I'd guess that either 10 years is enough time for the market to figure out that there's an inexhaustible supply of "pre-ban" mags or (and maybe it's the same thing) the price passed the magic point that caused that Master Sergeant who retired in 1974 to start listing his duffle full of USGI mags on Gunbroker, 1 at a time. |
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Quoted: I noticed reduced prices too and this reminds me about an ad i saw in shooters guide for PRE-BAN Springfeild XD Hi-cap mags!? WTF? Those guns just came out last year. Springfield sold legally modified Berreta 92 mags for a time and the .40 and 9mm use the same mag. A .40 mag will hold 15 rounds of 9mm. |
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Quoted: 1. No new law. 2. New law identical to old law. 3. New law with more restrictions. We are hoping for #1. # 2 will never happen. Supporters of the AWB learned from their "mistakes" and wouldn't repeat it. So if it isn't #1 then it is #3. At minimum, #3 would add more firearms by name and would ban all magazines above ten or fifteen with NO grandfather clause. I disagree I give it a 50/50 chance between 1 and 2. 2 would be the easiest, as all they'd have to do is ammend the original bill before September 14th and strike the sunset clause. Voila, no sunset, and technically no 'new AWB'. |
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Not exactly. Springfield just started selling them last year. But they did come out after the ban. The reason you can get high caps for them is you can modify a wide range of preban mags to work in the. It was a huge list. Like brownings, taraus, beretta, and a few others if I am not mistaken. They probably took their old stock of p-9 mags and made them work in the xd's. |
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OK, you can purchase magazine mod parts from Armalite for the AR 10. You are supposed to take a M14 magazine and use the spring and the floorplate to "modify the M14 mag and make a mag for the AR10. Now, you can buy springs for the mags at gunsprings.com and the floorplates at elite firearms. Why would you screw up your perfectly good M14 mag? When was the last time the govt. was over to your place and checked your mags to make sure they were not new manufacture. Do you kinda get the feeling that they are hosing you? I bought a Para pistol last year. It came with a coupon for 2 hi cap mags. Do you really think they had a warehouse full of those things? Do you really think some forward thinking cannuk said, "Lets make a whole bunch of these hicaps and hold on to them for 8 years and then sell them to those stupid yankees." When you look at a hunk of sheet metal, can you really tell how old it is? Check your mags, there is no serial number on them. What they are counting on is most of the people in this country are honest. Otherwise it would be like drugs. |
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Quoted: I disagree I give it a 50/50 chance between 1 and 2. 2 would be the easiest, as all they'd have to do is ammend the original bill before September 14th and strike the sunset clause. Voila, no sunset, and technically no 'new AWB'. Let me start by saying that I do not expect the AWB to be renewed. The votes aren’t there unless there is a sell-out. It isn’t possible just to renew the old law. Technically, it is possible to take the old law, re-introduce it, and pass it. You feel it is the easiest out but I don’t think so. The original law was passed by a bunch of ignoramuses. They didn’t know a bolt action from a semi-auto from an automatic from a machine gun. They were stupid. This group really thought they were banning all AR-15 style guns. They were surprised when the post-ban models became available. Sort of like California didn’t expect pump action versions or break action semi-auto versions. If this group can muster the vote for a new AWB, they can muster enough votes to expand the current law. Philip |
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Quoted: OK, you can purchase magazine mod parts from Armalite for the AR 10. You are supposed to take a M14 magazine and use the spring and the floorplate to "modify the M14 mag and make a mag for the AR10. Now, you can buy springs for the mags at gunsprings.com and the floorplates at elite firearms. Why would you screw up your perfectly good M14 mag? When was the last time the govt. was over to your place and checked your mags to make sure they were not new manufacture. Do you kinda get the feeling that they are hosing you? I bought a Para pistol last year. It came with a coupon for 2 hi cap mags. Do you really think they had a warehouse full of those things? Do you really think some forward thinking cannuk said, "Lets make a whole bunch of these hicaps and hold on to them for 8 years and then sell them to those stupid yankees." When you look at a hunk of sheet metal, can you really tell how old it is? Check your mags, there is no serial number on them. What they are counting on is most of the people in this country are honest. Otherwise it would be like drugs. No one could have said it better.Good job.[bow] |
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I think most gun owners have the common sense in them to have alot of pre-ban mags on hand, because the day is more likely than not to come when NO more mags over 10 rounds will be legal to sell. Stock up on $9.95 AK mags and a $300.00 AK or two now. 10 years from now I bet they'll just be a memory on the gunstore shelves, just like I remember seeing pre-bans on the shelves in 1992. |
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Quoted: When was the last time the govt. was over to your place and checked your mags to make sure they were not new manufacture. Do you kinda get the feeling that they are hosing you? I bought a Para pistol last year. It came with a coupon for 2 hi cap mags. Do you really think they had a warehouse full of those things? Do you really think some forward thinking cannuk said, "Lets make a whole bunch of these hicaps and hold on to them for 8 years and then sell them to those stupid yankees." When you look at a hunk of sheet metal, can you really tell how old it is? Check your mags, there is no serial number on them. Easy answer....ATF ruling said if you had parts after the ban you can still make them until those parts were gone. So companies like USA mags and many others stamped out base plates by the tons around the clock. Now to this day they still assemble new mags. Some companies were smart. Rick |
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Like new AR15 mags are cheap. I doubt that the price will go down by much even if the AWB is not renewed. I think we'll see another AWB when the democrats get in power again, but until then, I would get what you want, cause after that it'll be very hard to find anything. Unless the manufactures, Leo's, citizens, etc start living up to civil disobedience and tell our government that we are not going to live under their thumb and we KNOW what our Bill of Rights say, "shall NOT be INFRINGED!" What do they think infringed means anyway? And this is a challenge to LEO's, if you band together and say that you aren't going to bust people for "infractions" of their rifles. Then that will help greatly in our quest to get our rights back. Busting people for actually committing a crime against another person is how it should be. Not if you have a old pistol grip made by some other country or if you have a piece of metal that is a flash suppressor instead of a muzzle break. As John Stossel says, "Give me a break!" |