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Posted: 10/17/2019 9:27:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/17/2019 9:32:26 PM EDT
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Fear has permeated this site, and that is how leftists win.  There are 100 million of us. Why the hell is it so damn hard to get enough of us to show up to protest dipshit politicians? We're getting pretty close to "Show up fully armed, bearing rifles, torches, and pitchforks." |
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Posted: 10/17/2019 9:38:13 PM EDT
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2024 Democrats take the White House and both chambers of Congress. President Michelle Obama vows to end gun violence. 2025 Federal Gun Safety Act is signed into law. All detachable magazine fed Semi-auto rifles and pistols over .22 LR are declared NFA items as are all semi automatic shotguns. Magazines over 7 rounds are declared NFA items. A 6 month grace period to register under NFA is instituted. The NFA tax stamp has been raised to $800 per item. Ads for Brownells Pull Action conversion kits are omnipresent. UK posters assist their now neutered American cousins in turning their AR15s into pull action rifles with permentally blocked magazines. ARFCom site staff and moderators who don’t resign assist federal law enforcement Agents to provide the identities of users to be cross referenced against 4473 records to find owners of semi-auto firearms that have not declared. Posted photos are used to build an AI assisted database to identify who owns what. 2026 Responsible Ammo Act passes and is signed into law by President Michelle Obama. It requires photo ID and in person purchase of all ammunition from an FFL only. It also requires a locked and fireproof storage requirements for quantities of ammunition over 100 rounds. 2027 Enviromental Ammo Act passes and is signed into law. Lead ammunition is banned from sale, use or posession due to the harm it causes to the enviroment. Many ranges are bankrupted as they are deemed lead clean up sites and given 1 year to remove lead contaminated backstop soil. Calls for wide spread peaceful civil disobedience in GD are locked and deleted. Posters of such calls to action are identified and passed on to Federal Law Enforcement. |
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Posted: 10/17/2019 9:40:14 PM EDT
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Some people believe the moderation standards have changed since and because Brownells purchased the site. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I still don't understand what Brownell's has to do with this. Can someone explain? I’ve seen a lot of people “concerned” about this happening, and I’ve seen people react to fairly mild statements made by GoatBoy as if he were issuing a ruling that we turn the site into DU. I’ve been here a long time. This isn’t the first time the powers that be here have had to nicely say “hey, uh, guys? Let’s not just come out and say we should shoot the fuckers, OK?” |
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Posted: 10/17/2019 9:45:33 PM EDT
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I will not comply
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Posted: 10/17/2019 10:12:51 PM EDT
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I’m sure we will find out after the first story is posted about a cop getting hurt serving a red flag warrant. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This isn’t a situation of cops vs “us”. |
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Posted: 10/17/2019 10:22:08 PM EDT
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"Oh well"? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This isn’t a situation of cops vs “us”. |
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Posted: 10/17/2019 10:24:28 PM EDT
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Well I guess things have changed somewhat. Lol
Y’all be cool. |
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Posted: 10/17/2019 10:36:17 PM EDT
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It is important to keep AR15.com a legitimate place for people to congregate. But if it turns into a place where people plot illegal activities, then it won't be here for anyone anymore. I'm not against civil disobedience to protect our rights. I think it is necessary. |
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Posted: 10/17/2019 10:45:17 PM EDT
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Only if full discussion is permitted. If it's really true that the Declaration of Independence is a seditious, treasonous document that violates CoC (it explicitly advocates overthrow of the lawful government), then the site is of pretty limited value. |
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Posted: 10/17/2019 10:46:43 PM EDT
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I've seen no evidence of that. I've seen a lot of people "concerned" about this happening, and I've seen people react to fairly mild statements made by GoatBoy as if he were issuing a ruling that we turn the site into DU. I've been here a long time. This isn't the first time the powers that be here have had to nicely say "hey, uh, guys? Let's not just come out and say we should shoot the fuckers, OK?" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I still don't understand what Brownell's has to do with this. Can someone explain? I've seen a lot of people "concerned" about this happening, and I've seen people react to fairly mild statements made by GoatBoy as if he were issuing a ruling that we turn the site into DU. I've been here a long time. This isn't the first time the powers that be here have had to nicely say "hey, uh, guys? Let's not just come out and say we should shoot the fuckers, OK?" 
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Posted: 10/17/2019 10:49:52 PM EDT
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Whose definition of "unconstitutional" ? Some guys on a gun forum, or the Supreme Courts ?? |
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Posted: 10/17/2019 10:54:40 PM EDT
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I think it's interesting that mods & staff have so little to say. When the answer to the question in the thread title is "sometimes," that's not a strong position to be in.
And I really hope there's a plan in place to host the site in a jurisdiction safe from US interference. Relying on the good graces of Jeff Bezos & company doesn't sound like a smart strategy in this day & age. |
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Posted: 10/17/2019 10:58:52 PM EDT
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How can people be this disconnected from reality? This is like complaining that your landlord won't let you sell heroin out of your apartment. That's not really a landlord problem. Your landlord isn't going to put you in jail. It really doesn't even matter what your landlord thinks about it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Only if full discussion is permitted. If it's really true that the Declaration of Independence is a seditious, treasonous document that violates CoC (it explicitly advocates overthrow of the lawful government), then the site is of pretty limited value. |
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Posted: 10/17/2019 11:04:27 PM EDT
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I think it's interesting that mods & staff have so little to say. When the answer to the question in the thread title is "sometimes," that's not a strong position to be in. And I really hope there's a plan in place to host the site in a jurisdiction safe from US interference. Relying on the good graces of Jeff Bezos & company doesn't sound like a smart strategy in this day & age. |
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Posted: 10/18/2019 4:48:45 AM EDT
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I see that the Colorado mag thread is still locked for review. Day 3.
I'm starting to think that the "senior" in senior staff has less to do with organizational structure and more to do with being elderly. Don't break a hip rushing to that thread, guys. 
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Posted: 10/18/2019 4:59:17 AM EDT
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I see that the Colorado mag thread is still locked for review. Day 3. I'm starting to think that the "senior" in senior staff has less to do with organizational structure and more to do with being elderly. Don't break a hip rushing to that thread, guys. 
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Posted: 10/18/2019 5:17:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A thread delayed is a thread denied! 
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Posted: 10/18/2019 5:50:39 AM EDT
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I see that the Colorado mag thread is still locked for review. Day 3. I'm starting to think that the "senior" in senior staff has less to do with organizational structure and more to do with being elderly. Don't break a hip rushing to that thread, guys. “Unfiltered” apparently actually means FILTERED. |
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Posted: 10/18/2019 5:56:19 AM EDT
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Look guys its really simple.
If an AWB passes you will not be able to post AR15s on AR15.com its not that big of a deal. Don't be so dramatic. |
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Posted: 10/18/2019 6:08:05 AM EDT
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Fear has permeated this site, and that is how leftists win. |
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Posted: 10/18/2019 6:16:56 AM EDT
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Look guys its really simple. If an AWB passes you will not be able to post AR15s on AR15.com its not that big of a deal. Don't be so dramatic. |
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Posted: 10/18/2019 6:22:10 AM EDT
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Rosa Parks would be perma banned for her willingness to break the law. |
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Posted: 10/18/2019 6:28:32 AM EDT
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We keep asking the same question over and over again hoping to get a different answer but i don't think we're going to
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Posted: 10/18/2019 6:36:54 AM EDT
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Well I guess things have changed somewhat. Lol Y’all be cool.
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Posted: 10/18/2019 6:39:43 AM EDT
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I’ve been here a long time. This isn’t the first time the powers that be here have had to nicely say “hey, uh, guys? Let’s not just come out and say we should shoot the fuckers, OK?” |
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Posted: 10/18/2019 7:06:18 AM EDT
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True but now threads get locked because they say the same exact thing that LEO Site Staff members have posted threads about in the past. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I’ve been here a long time. This isn’t the first time the powers that be here have had to nicely say “hey, uh, guys? Let’s not just come out and say we should shoot the fuckers, OK?” “But guys CoC rule 4 has been the law of the land for 20 years!” |
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Posted: 10/18/2019 9:04:33 AM EDT
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I hear you guys. I legitimately have no idea where things stand anymore.
I could kind of understand it if there was legit fear of losing hosting, etc. but I've seen staff ridicule members for suggesting that. So... 
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Posted: 10/18/2019 9:06:38 AM EDT
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Are you really calling me a 'concern troll'? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I still don't understand what Brownell's has to do with this. Can someone explain? I've seen a lot of people "concerned" about this happening, and I've seen people react to fairly mild statements made by GoatBoy as if he were issuing a ruling that we turn the site into DU. I've been here a long time. This isn't the first time the powers that be here have had to nicely say "hey, uh, guys? Let's not just come out and say we should shoot the fuckers, OK?" 
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Posted: 10/18/2019 9:13:11 AM EDT
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Well I guess things have changed somewhat. Lol Y’all be cool. 
@krpind |
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Posted: 10/18/2019 10:25:40 AM EDT
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Look guys its really simple. If an AWB passes you will not be able to post AR15s on AR15.com its not that big of a deal. Don't be so dramatic.
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Posted: 10/18/2019 10:26:05 AM EDT
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A thread delayed is a thread denied! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I see that the Colorado mag thread is still locked for review. Day 3. I'm starting to think that the "senior" in senior staff has less to do with organizational structure and more to do with being elderly. Don't break a hip rushing to that thread, guys. |
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Posted: 10/18/2019 1:04:27 PM EDT
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Well I guess things have changed somewhat. Lol Y’all be cool. |
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Posted: 10/18/2019 1:12:10 PM EDT
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Look guys its really simple. If an AWB passes you will not be able to post AR15s on AR15.com its not that big of a deal. Don't be so dramatic. |
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Posted: 10/18/2019 1:23:55 PM EDT
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"Oh well"? And I’m sure Staff being jammed pack full of LEO will make no difference. |
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Posted: 10/18/2019 3:40:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Explain to me how the side that is armed to the teeth is somehow the scared party... It seems ridiculous when you think about it. There are 100 million of us. Why the hell is it so damn hard to get enough of us to show up to protest dipshit politicians? We're getting pretty close to "Show up fully armed, bearing rifles, torches, and pitchforks." |
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Posted: 10/18/2019 3:42:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How can people be this disconnected from reality? This is like complaining that your landlord won't let you sell heroin out of your apartment. That's not really a landlord problem. Your landlord isn't going to put you in jail. It really doesn't even matter what your landlord thinks about it. |
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Posted: 10/18/2019 3:43:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll wager law enforcement officers will be able to post about enforcing the law door-to-door. |
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Posted: 10/18/2019 3:44:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll wager law enforcement officers will be able to post about enforcing the law door-to-door. |
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Posted: 10/18/2019 6:43:01 PM EDT
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no one's used the thurdy cal NRA boomer meme template to make memes about Brownell's?
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Posted: 10/18/2019 8:54:49 PM EDT
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no one's used the thurdy cal NRA boomer meme template to make memes about Brownell's? |
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Posted: 10/18/2019 9:04:31 PM EDT
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Well I guess things have changed somewhat. Lol Y’all be cool. 4 stars and yet user info page says "Member" (not even team / bronze / gold / platinum / lifetime) status. Is there a thread discussing this? |
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Posted: 10/18/2019 9:22:31 PM EDT
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WTF. 4 stars and yet user info page says "Member" (not even team / bronze / gold / platinum / lifetime) status. Is there a thread discussing this? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well I guess things have changed somewhat. Lol Y’all be cool. 4 stars and yet user info page says "Member" (not even team / bronze / gold / platinum / lifetime) status. Is there a thread discussing this? |
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Posted: 10/18/2019 9:45:36 PM EDT
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I asked a similar question 3 days ago.
https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/-/5-2263885/?#i81467489 ---------- I'd like clear guidance as to what I can say concerning opposition to California's various unconstitutional firearm and ammunition laws. If I say I will do everything in my power to circumvent these clearly unconstitutional laws does that get me a permaban? And if so, how does that jibe with the press release about Brownells purchasing Arfcom that promotes ar15.com as a leading RKBA web site on the Internet? We elected to partner with Pete and Frank Brownell because we’ve known them personally for years to be real advocates for both our First and Second Amendment rights. They see the importance, now more than ever, for having a free, unfiltered forum of pro-Constitutional voices and ideas to be heard. Put simply, they share in our vision for the future of AR15.com. That statement is in opposition to statements Subnet made concerning censorship of posts that advocate flaunting unconstitutional state laws. Flaunting unjust laws is an American tradition. It's the basis of how this nation came to be. ---------- |
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Posted: 10/18/2019 9:51:55 PM EDT
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Quoted:ETA: The reality is that within many here’s life time a new Assault Weapon Ban and “high cap” magazine ban is a real political possibility. Will the CoC be used by site staff to stop organized, peaceful protest and resistance against such an eventuality? |
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Posted: 10/18/2019 10:03:46 PM EDT
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Yup |
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Posted: 10/18/2019 10:07:09 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/18/2019 10:10:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/18/2019 10:13:16 PM EDT
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The CoC is worded such that almost anything anyone might ever want to post could be technically considered a violation if someone wanted it to be. Because of that we then get extremely confusing and erratically enforcement plus some righteous heavy handedness thrown in for good measure. People seem to be freely allowed to talk about pirating movies and TV's a lot, including things like setting up a plex server which is going to include one felony for every piece of media you rip . Then on the other side of the coin we can't really show diagrams of certain firearm parts or talk about how they work despite this being a firearm related site. We technically cannot even post a picture of how a bump stock works now if everything were to be applied equally across the board. Personally, I don't care for this and would prefer we just allow most open dialog (even about breaking the law) and over the years the heavy handed and lopsided enforcement has driven away some great members so I have to think harder every time my renewal comes up if it is worth it. |
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Posted: 10/18/2019 10:18:56 PM EDT
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I gave a speech on the state capitol steps that would most likely draw a warning for sharing it here. I'd like to see that speech. Did you ever post it before? |
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