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Posted: 10/7/2019 7:51:45 PM EDT
Gun Shows in the "Free State" are now virtually extinct.
Silverado Promotions made the following announcement on their Facebook page: Our November Frederick show is cancelled. I’m sorry to say that a lack of table sales once again forced cancellation of yet another gun show, and that’s a bad habit to be in.
So, After nearly 30 years of promoting gun shows in Maryland, it’s time to call it quits. We’re all done. The steady decline in public attendance and dealer participation is the reason. We stuck with it as long as we could, but barely 175 tables rented and less than 750 people through the door doesn’t pay the freight for a show or provide enough sales for dealers. So, with our heads high, and our slate clean we say to you, Thanks for your support, it’s been a good run. View Quote About 20 years ago (1998); Maryland Gun Shows were much more vibrant. Silverado had the following "gun show route" across Maryland : Wayback Machine to Silverado Website in 1998 September 1998 (Howard County Fairgrounds) October 1998 (Montgomery County Agricultural Fairgrounds) Early November 1998 (Show Place Arena in PG County - 400~ tables) Late November 1998 (La Plata National Guard Armory) February 1999 (Show Place Arena in PG County - 400~ tables) March 1999 (LaPlata National Guard Armory) April 1999 (Frederick Fairgrounds) June 1999 (Frederick Fairgrounds) July 1999 (Show Place Arena in PG County - 400~ tables) Now, the Free State is Free No More. What happened? The Antis successfully attacked our gun shows through three routes: Local Ordinances against Gun Shows: In May 2001; the Montgomery County Council voted on an Ordnance that effectively banned Silverado from the MoCo Ag Fairgrounds. The law defined: Place of public assembly: A "place of public assembly" is a government owned park identified by the Maryland-National Capital Park and Planning Commission; place of worship; elementary or secondary school; public library; government-owned or -operated recreational facility; or multipurpose exhibition facility, such as a fairgrounds or conference center. A place of public assembly includes all property associated with the place, such as a parking lot or grounds of a building. and Gun show: Any organized gathering where a gun is displayed for sale. and A person must not sell, transfer, possess, or transport a handgun, rifle, or shotgun, or ammunition for these firearms , in or within 100 yards of a place of public assembly. and This section does not prohibit a gun show at a multipurpose exhibition facility if: (1) the facility's intended and actual primary use is firearms sports (hunting or target, trap, or skeet shooting) or education (firearms training); or (2) no person who owns or operates the facility or promotes or sponsors the gun show received financial or in-kind support from the County (as defined in Section 57-13(a)) during the preceding 5 years, or after December 1, 2001, whichever is shorter; and (A) no other public activity is allowed at the place of public assembly during the gun show; and (B) if a minor may attend the gun show: (i) the promoter or sponsor of the gun show provides to the Chief of Police, at least 30 days before the show: (a) photographic identification, fingerprints, and any other information the Police Chief requires to conduct a background check of each individual who is or works for any promoter or sponsor of the show and will attend the show; Silverado took it pretty high up; spending a lot of their money; but the MoCo law was upheld. Local Government Agency Regulations Elsewhere, the Show Place Arena in PG County is a government owned (Maryland National Capital Park & Planning Commission) facility; so they had an easier time in killing that one; but they didn't succeed until 2013. After the Newton, CT massacre; the MNCPPC issued a moratorium on gun shows on agency property, which lasted until 2015; when Appalachian Promotions arranged a new show. MNCPPC tried their hardest to kill the 2015 version; via: On top of the $12,000 Rental Fee for the Arena, they demanded at least five Park Police officers be on duty during the show; and gave a bill of $5,000 for those officers. Additionally they pushed out other regulations to grant the permit: *No live ammunition allowed on the premises of the Show Place Arena *No dry-firing weapons. *All firearms must have trigger locks. State-Wide Gun Bans/Regulations This was their biggest tool; namely several specific acts over multiple decades: 1966: Maryland instituted a 5 day waiting period for handgun purchases and registration with the State Police (Bring me Form 77R from the files). 1988: Saturday Night Special Ban. Maryland established something called the Handgun Roster Board -- basically a handgun cannot be sold in Maryland until it's approved by the HRB. Even a minor change in the engraving on a gun, can result in it becoming a 'new' model according to the HRB. 1989: 5 day waiting period for regulated weapons extended to 7 days. A large quantity of "Assault Weapons" are declared 'regulated weapons' -- and subject to the same restrictions as Handguns. (I) AMERICAN ARMS SPECTRE DA SEMIAUTOMATIC CARBINE; (II) AK-47 IN ALL FORMS; (III) ALGIMEC AGM-1 TYPE SEMI-AUTO; (IV) AR 100 TYPE SEMI-AUTO; (V) AR 180 TYPE SEMI-AUTO; (VI) ARGENTINE L.S.R. SEMI-AUTO; (VII) AUSTRALIAN AUTOMATIC ARMS SAR TYPE SEMI-AUTO; (VIII) AUTO-ORDNANCE THOMPSON M1 AND 1927 SEMI-AUTOMATICS; (IX) BARRETT LIGHT .50 CAL. SEMI-AUTO; (X) BERETTA AR70 TYPE SEMI-AUTO; (XI) BUSHMASTER SEMI-AUTO RIFLE; (XII) CALICO MODELS M-100 AND M-900; (XIII) CIS SR 88 TYPE SEMI-AUTO; (XIV) CLARIDGE HI TEC C-9 CARBINES; (XV) COLT AR-15, CAR-15, AND ALL IMITATIONS EXCEPT COLT AR-15 SPORTER H-BAR RIFLE; (XVI) DAEWOO MAX 1 AND MAX 2, AKA AR 100, HOC, K-1, AND K-2; (XVII) DRAGUNOV CHINESE MADE SEMI-AUTO; (XVIII)FAMAS SEMI-AUTO (.223 CALIBER); (XIX) FEATHER AT-9 SEMI-AUTO; (XX) FN LAR AND FN FAL ASSAULT RIFLE; (XXI) FNC SEMI-AUTO TYPE CARBINE; (XXII) F.I.E./FRANCHI LAW 12 AND SPAS 12 ASSAULT SHOTGUN; (XXIII) STEYR-AUG-SA SEMI-AUTO; (XXIV) GALIL MODELS AR AND ARM SEMI-AUTO; (XXV) HECKLER AND KOCH HK-91 A3, HK-93 A2, HK-94 A2 AND A3; (XXVI) HOLMES MODEL 88 SHOTGUN; (XXVII) AVTOMAT KALASHNIKOV SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE IN ANY FORMAT; (XXVIII) MANCHESTER ARMS "COMMANDO" MK-45, MK-9; (XXIX) MANDELL TAC-1 SEMI-AUTO CARBINE; (XXX) MOSSBERG MODEL 500 BULLPUP ASSAULT SHOTGUN; (XXXI) STERLING MARK 6; (XXXII)P.A.W.S. CARBINE; (XXXIII) RUGER MINI-14 FOLDING STOCK MODEL (.223 CALIBER); (XXXIV)SIG 550/551 ASSAULT RIFLE (.223 CALIBER); (XXXV) SKS WITH DETACHABLE MAGAZINE; (XXXVI)AP-74 COMMANDO TYPE SEMI-AUTO; (XXXVII)SPRINGFIELD ARMORY BM-59, SAR-48, G3, SAR-3, M-21 SNIPER RIFLE, M1A, EXCLUDING THE M1 GARAND; (XXXVIII) STREET SWEEPER ASSAULT TYPE SHOTGUN; (XXXIX) STRIKER 12 ASSAULT SHOTGUN IN ALL FORMATS (XL) UNIQUE F11 SEMI-AUTO TYPE; (XLI) DAEWOO USAS 12 SEMI-AUTO SHOTGUN; (XLII)UZI 9MM CARBINE OR RIFLE; (XLIII)VALMET M-76 AND M-78 SEMI-AUTO; (XLIV) WEAVER ARMS "NIGHTHAWK" SEMI-AUTO CARBINE; OR (XLV) WILKINSON ARMS 9MM SEMI-AUTO "TERRY". 1994: "Assault Pistol Bill" Passed. LINK Magazines holding more than 20 rounds are banned from transfers within Maryland (but possession is not banned). Assault Pistols on the following list are banned from new sales, but existing owners are grandfathered in if they register with MD State Police: (1) AA ARMS AP-9 SEMIAUTOMATICS; (2) BUSHMASTER SEMIAUTOMATIC PISTOL: (3) CLARIDGE HI-TEC, SEMIAUTOMATIC PISTOL; (4) D MAX INDUSTRIES SEMIAUTOMATIC PISTOL; (5) ENCOM MK-IV, MP-9, MP-45 SEMIAUTOMATIC PISTOLS; (6) HECKLER AND KOCH SEMIAUTOMATIC SP-89: (7) HOLMES MP-83 SEMIAUTOMATIC PISTOL; (8) INGRAM MAC 10/11 SEMIAUTOMATICS AND ANY VARIATION INCLUDING THE PARTISAN AVENGER AND THE SWD COBRAY; (9) INTRATEC TEC-9/DC-9 IN ANY CENTERFIRE VARIATION; (10) P.A.W.S. TYPE SEMIAUTOMATIC PISTOL; (11) SKORPION SEMIAUTOMATIC PISTOL; (12) SPECTRE DOUBLE ACTION SEMIAUTOMATIC PISTOL (SILE, F.I.E., MITCHELL); (13) UZI SEMIAUTOMATIC PISTOL; (14) WEAVER ARMS SEMIAUTOMATIC NIGHTHAWK PISTOL; AND (15) WILKINSON SEMIAUTOMATIC "LINDA" PISTOL. 1996 Maryland Gun Violence Act: Limited regulated firearm purchases to one a month and ended private handgun sales (you now had to go through NICS and register with the State Police) 2000: Responsible Gun Safety Act required that all handguns made before 1 Jan 2003 have an "external safety device"; while handguns made after that date have such a device built into themselves. Eventually, Maryland State Police declares that if you sell a locking tampion with a handgun, it satisfies the "safety device requirement". 2013: Magazines holding more than 10 rounds are banned from transfers within Maryland (but possession is not banned). To purchase a Handgun, you now need to possess a "Handgun Qualification License" which is fingerprinting, etc and even more regulations. Assault weapons were banned if they had a detachable magazine and two of the following features: Folding Stock Grenade/Flare Launcher Flash Suppressor Additional "kill" criteria were: A Fixed Magazine with more than 10 rounds A OAL less than 29 inches The list of weapons was: (i) American Arms Spectre da Semiautomatic carbine; (ii) AK–47 in all forms; (iii) Algimec AGM–1 type semi–auto; (iv) AR 100 type semi–auto; (v) AR 180 type semi–auto; (vi) Argentine L.S.R. semi–auto; (vii) Australian Automatic Arms SAR type semi–auto; (viii) Auto–Ordnance Thompson M1 and 1927 semi–automatics; (ix) Barrett light .50 cal. semi–auto; (x) Beretta AR70 type semi–auto; (xi) Bushmaster semi–auto rifle; (xii) Calico models M–100 and M–900; (xiii) CIS SR 88 type semi–auto; (xiv) Claridge HI TEC C–9 carbines; (xv) Colt AR–15, CAR–15, and all imitations except Colt AR–15 Sporter H–BAR rifle; (xvi) Daewoo MAX 1 and MAX 2, aka AR 100, 110C, K–1, and K–2; (xvii) Dragunov Chinese made semi–auto; (xviii) Famas semi–auto (.223 caliber); (xix) Feather AT–9 semi–auto; (xx) FN LAR and FN FAL assault rifle; (xxi) FNC semi–auto type carbine; (xxii) F.I.E./Franchi LAW 12 and SPAS 12 assault shotgun; (xxiii) Steyr–AUG–SA semi–auto; (xxiv) Galil models AR and ARM semi–auto; (xxv) Heckler and Koch HK–91 A3, HK–93 A2, HK–94 A2 and A3; (xxvi) Holmes model 88 shotgun; (xxvii) Avtomat Kalashnikov semiautomatic rifle in any format; (xxviii) Manchester Arms “Commando” MK–45, MK–9; (xxix) Mandell TAC–1 semi–auto carbine; (xxx) Mossberg model 500 Bullpup assault shotgun; (xxxi) Sterling Mark 6; (xxxii) P.A.W.S. carbine; (xxxiii) Ruger mini–14 folding stock model (.223 caliber); (xxxiv) SIG 550/551 assault rifle (.223 caliber); (xxxv) SKS with detachable magazine; (xxxvi) AP–74 Commando type semi–auto; (xxxvii) Springfield Armory BM–59, SAR–48, G3, SAR–3, M–21 sniper rifle, M1A, excluding the M1 Garand; (xxxviii) Street sweeper assault type shotgun; (xxxix) Striker 12 assault shotgun in all formats; (xl) Unique F11 semi–auto type; (xli) Daewoo USAS 12 semi–auto shotgun; (xlii) UZI 9mm carbine or rifle; (xliii) Valmet M–76 and M–78 semi–auto; (xliv) Weaver Arms “Nighthawk” semi–auto carbine; or (xlv) Wilkinson Arms 9mm semi–auto “Terry”. So; if you were an out of state dealer from Virginia, Delaware, Pennsylvania or West Virginia; you effectively had to screen your "gun show stuff" to make sure that you didn't bring anything that was "bad" into Maryland. The most popular rifle in America; the 5.56mm AR-15, is banned; BUT you can still sell it if it has a Heavy Barrel (HBAR) profile. This was a stroke of genius on the antis' part. They were able to get rid of 90% of 5.56mm AR15s, but still left an "open" so that the ban couldn't be challenged; since HBAR would have a "sporting purpose". You can still sell AR15s in .300 BO or 7.62x39, etc but those are kind of niche compared to the general popularity of the 5.56 platform. Your highest profit margin per square foot of table space (handguns) are effectively DOA. Your sales volume is significantly retarded; since you have a 7 day waiting period; meaning you have to ship them to a FFL within Maryland to do the final transfer for you; meaning more cost and frustration; on top of the shit sandwich that the HQL is -- it applies to dealers as well -- if you want to sell a handgun, even as a licensed FFL; you need to have a HQL to even handle it; and this applies to everyone you have at the show -- your wife, brother, or fellow employees all need to have HQLs! So it's an enormous shit sandwich that all works together to kill gun shows here in Maryland. From a 'Free Stater' to the other neighboring states: |
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So it is finally confirmed that Maryland is a shithole? I always assumed Dahlgren smelled bad due to MD.
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Living in a shithole like Maryland is your first mistake.
Eject...I was born there. |
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I wonder if Va will be more restrictive if/when the leftists take the GA next month?
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30+ years ago used to be gun shows all over southern MD.
Cases of 7.62x39 for $69 and $79 SKS. Replaced by Beanie Baby dealers as good deals/ surplus dried up Over time, attendence dropped, and one by one they went away. BEFORE the anti BS. But that killed the remaining bigger shows. And outright harassment by LE, VIDEOTAPING people entering Upper Marlboro show... But hell, I stopped going to Nations Gun Show in Chamtilly a decade or more ago. |
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Gun shows need to die, period. I've been disappointed the past 10 shows I've gone to. Jerky, overpriced old as fuck ammo, tables of pink pistols and boomer shit, and not a single worth while table of surplus or AKs.
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So hand guns are grandfathered but rifles are not? View Quote But think about it from a gun dealer's perspective. If he wants to sell in Maryland, he has to carefully screen his cases of guns to make sure he's not selling anything illegal in MD; and the simplest way to avoid legal entanglements is to either: A.) Have separate "MARYLAND ONLY" stock for those shows. or B.) Simply avoid Maryland Gun Show Circuit altogether. |
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... you could spend a lifetime in Maryland but you probably shouldn't
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Well in Northern Va they charge $16 bucks to get in. Thanks but no thanks.
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I think the internet had more to do with it than anything else. Gun shows lost their appeal when you could go online and find more selection at lower prices.
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Gun shows need to die, period. I've been disappointed the past 10 shows I've gone to. Jerky, overpriced old as fuck ammo, tables of pink pistols and boomer shit, and not a single worth while table of surplus or AKs. View Quote Too many promoters are stuck in methodology like it's still 1994; where you can randomly assign dealers to tables; or simply accept random dealers to fill tables. I'd like to see a more concerted effort to ask dealers what they're bringing. Do you have a large amount of MilSurps? Or are you specializing in hunting rifles? Then place them in "MilSurp Alley", "Hunting Alley"; and for the primary ammo dealers, place them in "Ammolands" placed right next to the main entrances for the show (ammo is heavy). This would also require some adjustment by the dealers themselves. If people who specialize in something are now clustered together, they need to be able to see each other during 'setup day' so that they can figure out pricing better -- pricing that works where ammo people are randomly placed across the gun show; meaning people can't remember costs -- doesn't work when they're all next to each other. |
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I thought it had been agreed upon that the "Maryland sucks" ship had sailed long ago?
ETA: as do gun shows. The beanie babies, jerky, and nazi reproduction shitsellers killed it all. oh, and the 16 guys with insanely overpriced Colts at every single gun show in America. |
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OP, I'm trying. I've been running this thread almost 2 years:
https://www.ar15.com/forums/hometown/12-13-October-Lewisville-Quitman-Taylor-gun-shows/8-620050/ This is what I get: That was some hot garbage. Colt 6920s for (LOL) $1,799.99, Chinese bullshit knives and assorted flavors of beef jerky. View Quote |
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Gun shows need to die, period. I've been disappointed the past 10 shows I've gone to. Jerky, overpriced old as fuck ammo, tables of pink pistols and boomer shit, and not a single worth while table of surplus or AKs. View Quote |
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Quoted:But hell, I stopped going to Nations Gun Show in Chamtilly a decade or more ago. View Quote 1.) A lot of the fun stuff can't be bought with a Maryland ID -- like AKs in 7.62x39; or Century C-308s.; 2.) Traffic on I-66 and I-495 is now exponentially worse -- especially as you come back from Virginia and try to cross the American Legion bridge into MD. 3.) Dealers are stubborn. There's this dealer that drags around an exceptionally beat up example of a Polytech M-14S (a Maryland Legal M-1A/M-14, since the NORINCO copy has metric threads, instead of SAE) to show after show -- and refuses to budge on price -- he's asking for $1K for a beat to hell Polytech. |
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This is what I get: That was some hot garbage. Colt 6920s for (LOL) $1,799.99, Chinese bullshit knives and assorted flavors of beef jerky. View Quote People don't pay $12/entrance fees (or drive several hours) to look at ebay level crap I was just at the Oaks, PA Guntoberfest Extravaganza (1700 tables supposedly) this past weekend and there was an enormous amount of Chinesium vendors there. |
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With the internet, why anyone goes to a gun show is far beyond me.
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OP is over-reacting. The shows didn't die due to legislation, it has nothing to do with freedom. They lost their customers. When deals aren't to be had they will wither and die. Root, hog, or die.
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I don't think there has been a gun show in NJ for longer than I've been alive and I'm almost 53.
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On a positive not our town just had our first gun show a few weeks ago, didn't need anything but went and spent some money to support the cause. |
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OP is over-reacting. The shows didn't die due to legislation, it has nothing to do with freedom. They lost their customers. View Quote Likewise; the new KR-9 Vityaz 9mm carbine by Kalashnikov USA can't be sold in MD unless the Flash hider is replaced with a muzzle brake. If you want a Springfield M-1A in Maryland, it's got to be in something other than 7.62 NATO -- 6.8 Creedmor M-1As are legal; but given that the gun costs almost $1,200 to $1,500 already; people aren't going to want it in meme calibers. Is a gun dealer going to stock niche versions of already niche weapons just to cater to a single state? It's basically a self-licking ice cream cone at this point. Everything interesting is banned or has to be specially modified for Maryland, thus dealers don't bring them. So customers don't come... |
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If the Supremes don't put a stop to this shit then it will be just a matter of time before all the states will effectively curtail the right to keep and bear arms.
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You're not missing anything. Gun shows are shit no matter where you go anymore. Unless you have real specific knowledge of a certain firearm and get lucky, they are a waste of time. I've gotten lucky with some shotguns that no one was looking for the last couple of times I hit them up, but that was years ago and I'm sure any real deals get snatched up as soon as the doors open.
Other than that, it's just local vendors selling the same thing they have behind the counter at their store and the guy trying to sell the same collection he's had for the last 10 shows at prices way too high. |
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It's not the antis who are killing gun shows. It's everyone else.
It's all overpriced shit. If you could stay within 10% of competitors then maybe you'd be ok. (Or even 20% on some items) But why would anyone pay $50 for something that cost $12.99 anywhere else? They wouldn't. And obviously they don't. I went to a show here back in May. Place was empty. They were selling firearms from popular online/BM stores for more than 2x the value. Something you could buy or build for say $300, they wanted over $600. One table had a bunch of ammo. It was still all there the day I went. (which was the last day of the show, buddy of mine went first day, left with nothing. One table trying to sell a Star BM for $375) .243 rem core lokt from 600BC for $59.99/per 20. (it wasn't that extreme but you get the idea) AR and AK mags were well into the $20s. When there's a store 15 minutes down the street that had them for under $14. Jeez, I wonder why they're still sitting on your table. I never really went to any gun shows as a kid. Or even in my late teens or early/mid 20s. I heard they were a lot better 15+ years ago. But now they suck. |
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You're not missing anything. Gun shows are shit no matter where you go anymore. Unless you have real specific knowledge of a certain firearm and get lucky, they are a waste of time. View Quote |
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If the Supremes don't put a stop to this shit then it will be just a matter of time before all the states will effectively curtail the right to keep and bear arms. View Quote I think that Maryland's HBAR ban along with the restriction on OAL will be used in future state level bans as inspiration -- i.e. Pennsylvania bans AR15s but allows .300 Blackout AR15s to survive, based on the logic "you can't hunt with 5.56!". |
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If the Supremes don't put a stop to this shit then it will be just a matter of time before all the states will effectively curtail the right to keep and bear arms. View Quote |
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Maryland sucks, although we have a lot more available to us than the other big commie states. However, I fear that VA is taking that as a challenge and will be much more restrictive in the coming months and years.
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You're not missing anything. Gun shows are shit no matter where you go anymore. Unless you have real specific knowledge of a certain firearm and get lucky, they are a waste of time. I've gotten lucky with some shotguns that no one was looking for the last couple of times I hit them up, but that was years ago and I'm sure any real deals get snatched up as soon as the doors open. Other than that, it's just local vendors selling the same thing they have behind the counter at their store and the guy trying to sell the same collection he's had for the last 10 shows at prices way too high. View Quote |
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I always attend the local gun shows. Frederick k was a good one. So was Howard County. Guess I’ll have to go out to Gettysburg now.
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Did you even look at the list(s) I posted? Basically tons of interesting things are banned from further sale in Maryland (Steyr AUGs, FAMAS, FALs, etc); and there's a ton of further interesting things that require specific modifications to make it Maryland legal now -- like for example the FN PS-90. If you want to sell it legally in Maryland, you need to have a 3 inch stock extension mounted on it. Likewise; the new KR-9 Vityaz 9mm carbine by Kalashnikov USA can't be sold in MD unless the Flash hider is replaced with a muzzle brake. If you want a Springfield M-1A in Maryland, it's got to be in something other than 7.62 NATO -- 6.8 Creedmor M-1As are legal; but given that the gun costs almost $1,200 to $1,500 already; people aren't going to want it in meme calibers. Is a gun dealer going to stock niche versions of already niche weapons just to cater to a single state? It's basically a self-licking ice cream cone at this point. Everything interesting is banned or has to be specially modified for Maryland, thus dealers don't bring them. So customers don't come... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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OP is over-reacting. The shows didn't die due to legislation, it has nothing to do with freedom. They lost their customers. Likewise; the new KR-9 Vityaz 9mm carbine by Kalashnikov USA can't be sold in MD unless the Flash hider is replaced with a muzzle brake. If you want a Springfield M-1A in Maryland, it's got to be in something other than 7.62 NATO -- 6.8 Creedmor M-1As are legal; but given that the gun costs almost $1,200 to $1,500 already; people aren't going to want it in meme calibers. Is a gun dealer going to stock niche versions of already niche weapons just to cater to a single state? It's basically a self-licking ice cream cone at this point. Everything interesting is banned or has to be specially modified for Maryland, thus dealers don't bring them. So customers don't come... For any of us. It's all downhill from here. It's all over but the crying. Or whatever saying you wanna use. . . But it's true. |
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Quoted: I did run across a NORINCO M1911A1 in 99.95% NIB condition for about $550 at the Oaks, Pennsylvania show this past weekend, but the hassle involved in actually getting it transferred to a Maryland FFL for a transfer; plus not knowing if it was on the Maryland Handgun Roster made me not buy it. View Quote |
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All the shows I went to the only thing I ever found a good deal on was 20 round USGI mags that while well worn were perfectly serviceable. Bought all 15 or so of them he had at $10 a piece. Otherwise they were all exactly as you described. View Quote Me: How much for the 40 round, AR180 Mag? Seller: That's an AR15 mag. Me: That's an AR180 mag. Seller: No, its not. Me: Fine, how much is this AR mag? Seller: $25 Me: I'll give you $20 (of course I would have paid $25) Seller: Sold Not my fault, I even told him what he had. |
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MD isn't a free state.
The internet and fudds being d-bags killed gun shows. Also TL,DR. |
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Same with ham radio "hamfests". They've been on the decline for over 20 years.
The big draw of hamfests was the flea market or swapfest. E-bay pretty much killed that. |
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You're ripe for small venue shows on private property.
Make it a Second Amendment rally first, a real gun show, and then a trade fair. |
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I found a pristine XM16 upper with chrome carrier and fat head firing pin plus stock for $400 at a show near here.
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I grew up in north central Harford County, and have friends still in Cecil. Sadly it's the last conservative grass roots stronghold. Everything else seems to be hopeless now....
ETA. My parents who are/were Democrats even ditched MD and now live in NC/SC (have 2 residents) as Republicans. |
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No big surprise. Their gun shows sucked (Silverado). They were overpriced and had lots of fud dealers, and they were no fun to go to anymore. The last few years, attendance dropped off substantially With VA and PA shows much better and relatively close to drive to, the Silverado shows withered. This isn’t so much because of gun laws, it’s more of a capitalist reason. The worst shows died off
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Did you even look at the list(s) I posted? Basically tons of interesting things are banned from further sale in Maryland (Steyr AUGs, FAMAS, FALs, etc); and there's a ton of further interesting things that require specific modifications to make it Maryland legal now -- like for example the FN PS-90. If you want to sell it legally in Maryland, you need to have a 3 inch stock extension mounted on it. Likewise; the new KR-9 Vityaz 9mm carbine by Kalashnikov USA can't be sold in MD unless the Flash hider is replaced with a muzzle brake. If you want a Springfield M-1A in Maryland, it's got to be in something other than 7.62 NATO -- 6.8 Creedmor M-1As are legal; but given that the gun costs almost $1,200 to $1,500 already; people aren't going to want it in meme calibers. Is a gun dealer going to stock niche versions of already niche weapons just to cater to a single state? It's basically a self-licking ice cream cone at this point. Everything interesting is banned or has to be specially modified for Maryland, thus dealers don't bring them. So customers don't come... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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OP is over-reacting. The shows didn't die due to legislation, it has nothing to do with freedom. They lost their customers. Likewise; the new KR-9 Vityaz 9mm carbine by Kalashnikov USA can't be sold in MD unless the Flash hider is replaced with a muzzle brake. If you want a Springfield M-1A in Maryland, it's got to be in something other than 7.62 NATO -- 6.8 Creedmor M-1As are legal; but given that the gun costs almost $1,200 to $1,500 already; people aren't going to want it in meme calibers. Is a gun dealer going to stock niche versions of already niche weapons just to cater to a single state? It's basically a self-licking ice cream cone at this point. Everything interesting is banned or has to be specially modified for Maryland, thus dealers don't bring them. So customers don't come... Everything is optics there: M1As are banned, but not Polytechs; ARs are banned, but all heavy barrel ARs are cash and carry, the Handgun Roster is a rubber stamp run by pro-gunners; AK47 are banned, but not AK74s and Krinks; C&Rs still get pistols delivered to their homes; you can simply opt out of the one gun per month rule with a Designated Collector license; MGs and silencers are allowed; standard cap mags are perfectly legal so long as you buy them out of state; etc. |
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