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Posted: 8/23/2019 3:04:29 AM EDT
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The American Indians have been asking that question for hundreds of years. |
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Posted: 8/23/2019 3:12:12 AM EDT
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Because they have money and we have freedom?
Usually people who complain about this are broke losers |
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Posted: 8/23/2019 3:24:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: hate freedom? no, concerned about authoritarian influenced people from other parts of the world that might never integrate or slowly change our way of life or government type for the worse in a couple generations? yes. What business is it of yours what people believe? Sounds like you want to discriminate- I don't agree with what this guy says or thinks so it should be illegal for him to live here. Does that not sound totalitarian itself? |
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Posted: 8/23/2019 8:52:53 AM EDT
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I almost feel as if I was lied to
But in the end this really doesn't change anything Just a drop in the bucket at this point, the Democrats themselves are a far bigger problem, other technicalities like this topic can be dealt with later, red flag law nonsense is more pressing for instance |
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Posted: 8/23/2019 8:59:50 AM EDT
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I almost feel as if I was lied to But in the end this really doesn't change anything Just a drop in the bucket at this point, the Democrats themselves are a far bigger problem, other technicalities like this topic can be dealt with later, red flag law nonsense is more pressing for instance |
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Posted: 8/23/2019 9:04:26 AM EDT
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No wonder this nation has so many ridiculous problems. We are allowing ourselves to be killed off from the outside in and the inside out in so many ways, its truly horrifying when you think about it. 
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Posted: 8/23/2019 9:26:57 AM EDT
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JFC, is OP being a massive drama queen or just trolling, I can’t tell.
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Posted: 8/23/2019 9:35:09 AM EDT
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JFC, is OP being a massive drama queen or just trolling, I can’t tell. Why insult the man? |
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Posted: 8/23/2019 9:50:45 AM EDT
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But freedom isn't a problem bro. It's the solution. Race, gender and sexual orientation may have little meaning. But politics, religion, cultural norms and traditionss are what make the world go round. |
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Posted: 8/23/2019 9:53:37 AM EDT
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Come to think of it, we haven't had a good "Why are foreigners allowed to own guns in the U.S.?" thread lately. Those are usually pretty good.  ITAR controls exports of firearms and related technology. Apparently there are opinions to the effect that teaching foreigners anything more than basic marksmanship could constitute exporting firearms technology. We're kind of stuck with this as we get a lot of foreign students in both clubs. They come from countries where firearms ownership simply isn't done and join our clubs for the complete American experience. For the most part all we teach them is the basics, but it does bring up an interesting situation. |
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Posted: 8/23/2019 9:54:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He has been asking and posting the whole thread. He has asked a few questions, he is concerned, as we all should be. And he also has stated he was ignorant about a few things. Why insult the man? |
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Posted: 8/23/2019 9:58:36 AM EDT
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For the same reason Americans can buy property in most foreign countries.
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Posted: 8/23/2019 10:02:41 AM EDT
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Nah, more and more countries are jumping on board. Unless you consider New Zealand, Singapore, Australia, and Switzerland a shithole. |
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Posted: 8/23/2019 10:03:10 AM EDT
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They are foreigners, also. North America started with no humans. There are no true "native Americans". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The American Indians have been asking that question for hundreds of years. |
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Posted: 8/23/2019 10:07:04 AM EDT
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Some people just need someone to hate Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: He has been asking and posting the whole thread. He has asked a few questions, he is concerned, as we all should be. And he also has stated he was ignorant about a few things. Why insult the man? LP’s replies, especially where he said he was literally shaking — or something along those lines, seemed excessively exaggerated to me. @LittlePony @Chris_C |
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Posted: 8/23/2019 10:08:22 AM EDT
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Come to think of it, we haven't had a good "Why are foreigners allowed to own guns in the U.S.?" thread lately. Those are usually pretty good. |
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Posted: 8/23/2019 10:09:28 AM EDT
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Paid cash for your land? Stop paying taxes and find out who really owns it.
If it’s not allodial, it’s not yours. |
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Posted: 8/23/2019 10:09:51 AM EDT
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Stop sounding like a lib,lp
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Posted: 8/23/2019 10:15:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The American culture I lived and breathed growing up where I did as as foreign from other regions of the States than other countries I have lived in. But, I can see why people who have not noticed or experiences this might be more susceptible to fears of foreign influence and cultural change. For a forum where Southerners are constantly railing on Yankees and Californians, and so on, the resistance here to the very idea of different regional cultures is humorous. Of course, of you just dismiss New England culture as not “authentic American,” and dismiss California as already lost to “them,” and so on, I suppose you could convince yourself that your worldview is consistent. Meanwhile, I’ll go ahead and say New York city has more in common with the Netherlands than upstate New York, Massachusetts culture has more in common with Ireland than it does Pennsylvania, and the culture in all of those area is nothing like that of Mississippi... and I’ll be damned if there isn’t a clear historical reason for this when you dig into it far enough. Ironically, the similarities in language and traditions that do exist are often due to concerted central efforts at “nation building,” often through public schools, a massive propaganda effort of the type that the most here are otherwise staunchly opposed to. |
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Posted: 8/23/2019 10:19:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've lived in California all my life -- Los Angeles and then the SF Bay Area. I think it's safe to say it's a multicultural state. Children born to immigrants and raised in the suburbs or rural areas are fully assimilated. They have the same values as natives. My daughter's friends, for instance. Chinese, Korean, Thai, Mexican, etc. Children of immigrants. They eat American food at school. They like the same music, wear the same clothes, play and enjoy the same sports and quote the BoR when told to SHTF by friends. From the outside, I see no difference between them and my own daughter, born to native Californians. Sure there is local variation, but there is a common core and that's the point I was trying to make. The kind of homogeneous culture you describe used to exist in the United States, and it still exists in the heartland and other rural areas, but something different exists in the suburbs of major cities that's close. The cities can be a different animal entirely, of course. But even there there is a core American culture. And its more than the shared values you mentioned. |
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Posted: 8/23/2019 10:20:19 AM EDT
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Why are gays allowed to vote?
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Posted: 8/23/2019 10:22:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn’t mean to insult, if that’s how I came across then I apologize. LP’s replies, especially where he said he was literally shaking — or something along those lines, seemed excessively exaggerated to me. @LittlePony @Chris_C I mistook "people" for "citizen" Did not realize how Universal they really meant it was back when they came up with it |
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Posted: 8/23/2019 10:22:52 AM EDT
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It spooked me, it really did, it was like learning that the sky was indeed not blue but red I mistook "people" for "citizen" Did not realize how Universal they really meant it was back when they came up with it Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Didn’t mean to insult, if that’s how I came across then I apologize. LP’s replies, especially where he said he was literally shaking — or something along those lines, seemed excessively exaggerated to me. @LittlePony @Chris_C I mistook "people" for "citizen" Did not realize how Universal they really meant it was back when they came up with it |
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Posted: 8/23/2019 10:23:38 AM EDT
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He has been asking and posting the whole thread. He has asked a few questions, he is concerned, as we all should be. And he also has stated he was ignorant about a few things. Why insult the man? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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JFC, is OP being a massive drama queen or just trolling, I can't tell. Why insult the man? OP thinks he should not have been allowed to buy his office or his home. My dad was more consistently conservative and nationalist than anything I've seen in GD over the years. |
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Posted: 8/23/2019 10:24:26 AM EDT
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Stop sounding like a lib,lp I would never use other humans for my own gain with manipulation and bribery. |
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Posted: 8/23/2019 10:25:48 AM EDT
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It spooked me, it really did, it was like learning that the sky was indeed not blue but red I mistook "people" for "citizen" Did not realize how Universal they really meant it was back when they came up with it Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Didn't mean to insult, if that's how I came across then I apologize. LP's replies, especially where he said he was literally shaking or something along those lines, seemed excessively exaggerated to me. @LittlePony @Chris_C I mistook "people" for "citizen" Did not realize how Universal they really meant it was back when they came up with it |
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Posted: 8/23/2019 10:25:57 AM EDT
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Because it's supposed to be a free country. I own the property. I should be able to sell it to whoever I want at whatever price I want. Communist governments tell the people who they can and can't sell their stuff to.
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Posted: 8/23/2019 10:26:12 AM EDT
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I'm not the one trying to give Xeno's more rights and protections than our own citizens ... so ... yeah, pretty hard to call me a liberal I would never use other humans for my own gain with manipulation and bribery. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Stop sounding like a lib,lp I would never use other humans for my own gain with manipulation and bribery. |
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Posted: 8/23/2019 10:32:01 AM EDT
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Because that is how it has always been? Is this a trick question? The basic concept is even recognized by the Treaty of Paris of 1783. Here’s a couple of fun facts: the entire continent west of the Appalachians was explored, mapped, and opened for settlement by employees of British and French fur companies. And the entire American cattle industry, all that cowboys ‘n Indians stuff of legend, was built by wealthy British capitalists. Most cowboys were employees of them. |
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Posted: 8/23/2019 10:45:43 AM EDT
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What’s up with calling people Xenos, OP?
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Posted: 8/23/2019 10:50:45 AM EDT
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Real estate is a risky proposition for foreigners. If the create too much trouble, just eminent domain it and take the property for pennies on the dollar. 
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Posted: 8/23/2019 10:58:47 AM EDT
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Would fascist work better for you? Does a fascist seek to settle the differences between Taiwan South Korea and Japan to form their own military Alliance block to help isolate mainland China which is one of the most dangerous governments that Humanity has seen in several centuries? Does a fascist want to unite all of the old former Iron Curtain in a military Alliance, a old idea called the Intermarium, to protect itself from Russian oligarchs and decadent EU exploiters? Does a fascist want to protect the innocent African people from the slow enslavement by Islam and the mainland Chinese government? Does a fascist seek to rid the world of dictators and kings and replace them with either representative Democratic or representative oligarchic Republics? In my heart I am a militaristic xenophilic republican promoting crusader With an understanding that when you get right to it, despite how much money or social status a person has, we are all equal because the grand creator of the great Celestial skies above our head created the atom, and all that is matter is atoms, therefore we are all connected, whether it be a person a rabbit a rock or a tree, we are all Supreme. However I am half idealist and half pragmatist, so that is why localized stability in the long-term several centuries for now is also a priority, demographics is King @103 |
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Posted: 8/23/2019 11:00:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not the one trying to give Xeno's more rights and protections than our own citizens ... so ... yeah, pretty hard to call me a liberal I would never use other humans for my own gain with manipulation and bribery. |
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Posted: 8/23/2019 11:14:35 AM EDT
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If I moved to Canada at age 20 and lived there for 30 years I would not begin to assume I understood their culture like a native. And we speak the same language and have similar cultures. One has to be assimilated into a culture at childhood to really understand it. Actually, understand is too weak a word. The natives live it and breathe it. It's a part of their very being. To come to a place as an adult and presume to have knowledge of something at that same level is the height of arrogance. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: You misunderstand. All I am saying is he may not recognize it for what it is when he sees it. Did you see the reference to porn I made? That was what a judge said in a famous 1964 obscenity case. You would recognize the joke if you were a native.  (Just screwing with you.)
I would add it's more arrogant to assume you know a place better than the natives do. That's just common sense. Yes, I got your reference. A bit before my time, but I still got it. Now you mentioned that you've lived in CA all your life. I've lived in 4 states since I immigrated to the US. It is a patch work. I can assure you that TX has a very different culture than GA, NC or TN - and they are all in the "South"! Most assumptions are based in arrogance or ignorance. I didn't assume - I based it on personal experiences and interactions with natives. One has to be assimilated into a culture at childhood to really understand it. Actually, understand is too weak a word. The natives live it and breathe it. It's a part of their very being. To come to a place as an adult and presume to have knowledge of something at that same level is the height of arrogance. |
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Posted: 8/23/2019 11:15:34 AM EDT
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If you think the citizens of those regions are different at their core, you're wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Here’s the one I was thinking of. https://thesecularjurist.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/american-nations-a-history-of-the-eleven-rival-regional-cultures-of-north-america.jpg Found this one also when looking for the above. I’d say it is more accurate, at least the way it shows the Great Lakes region. It’s purportedly more rooted in politics than “culture,” per se, https://i0.wp.com/cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Graphic/2004/01/17/1074356784_2173.gif?zoom=2 Some other looks: https://nextstl.com/wp-content/uploads/9336146561_99c37a7ce1_o.jpg http://philip-kearney.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/y9loqknwdar211.png |
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Posted: 8/23/2019 11:42:53 AM EDT
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What’s up with calling people Xenos, OP? Just words to describe things, hmm, perhaps some are more loaded than others though |
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Posted: 8/23/2019 12:31:01 PM EDT
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I was referring to the "I'm literally shaking" comment @ilikeporkchops |
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Posted: 8/23/2019 12:50:58 PM EDT
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Paid cash for your land? Stop paying taxes and find out who really owns it. If it’s not allodial, it’s not yours. |
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Posted: 8/23/2019 2:13:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh, I see, apologies @ilikeporkchops 
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Posted: 8/23/2019 2:45:40 PM EDT
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What’s up with calling people Xenos, OP? |
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Posted: 8/23/2019 3:32:02 PM EDT
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Concerned about what? My dad came here from one of those scary evil foreign countries, established a very successful surgical practice that ultimately saved a lot of lives, and helped contribute greatly to modern surgical practice. OP thinks he should not have been allowed to buy his office or his home. My dad was more consistently conservative and nationalist than anything I've seen in GD over the years. |
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Posted: 8/23/2019 4:02:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You know and I know that is not what the OP is referring to. Perhaps I'm not being detailed enough, I'm not really good at explaining things |
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Posted: 8/23/2019 4:07:27 PM EDT
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What exactly do you think I am referring to anyway? Perhaps I'm not being detailed enough, I'm not really good at explaining things Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: You know and I know that is not what the OP is referring to. Perhaps I'm not being detailed enough, I'm not really good at explaining things |
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Posted: 8/23/2019 4:36:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Using xeno is like using "other". A very specific cogitation. Just back away from using it. Eta, now that I have thought about it so I think I've picked up using the word from a lot of 19th century philosophy books I've read over the years Eta 2, Also is xeno a loaded word as well like alien is? You make it sound like it is? If so what was the event, if it can even be listed, that caused the cgange in perspective of that word? @exDefensorMilitas |
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Posted: 8/23/2019 5:02:16 PM EDT
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Well if you say so, I'll just use the word Foreigner instead I guess. Eta, now that I have thought about it so I think I've picked up using the word from a lot of 19th century philosophy books I've read over the years Eta 2, Also is xeno a loaded word as well like alien is? You make it sound like it is? If so what was the event, if it can even be listed, that caused the cgange in perspective of that word? @exDefensorMilitas Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Using xeno is like using "other". A very specific cogitation. Just back away from using it. Eta, now that I have thought about it so I think I've picked up using the word from a lot of 19th century philosophy books I've read over the years Eta 2, Also is xeno a loaded word as well like alien is? You make it sound like it is? If so what was the event, if it can even be listed, that caused the cgange in perspective of that word? @exDefensorMilitas "I'm not the one trying to give Xeno's more rights and protections than our own citizens" Has an air of distaste to it and coupled with you're apparent shock that non-citizens can carry out basic business transactions and own property in the US. Reads like you hold them in disdain or are lesser. This isn't Japan. |
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Posted: 8/23/2019 5:11:24 PM EDT
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For the same reason Americans can buy property in most foreign countries. Please not that the countries that restrict this are very likely to be shitholes of the highest order. |
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Posted: 8/23/2019 5:43:29 PM EDT
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Funny years ago, when the OPEC caused the rise in crude in the 1970s, it was thought that the Arab shieks would own 3/4 of the USA, so much for the soothsayers.
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Posted: 8/23/2019 5:44:08 PM EDT
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Actually I'm just reclaiming British territory 1/4 acre at a time.
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Posted: 8/23/2019 5:48:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Foreigners are allowed to own guns in the United States?! ... what?! 
Good Lord public education failed me My world has been legitimately rocked Holy shit, why? Just, holy fuck. There not Americans ... just how? HOW? @DK-Prof |
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Posted: 8/23/2019 5:52:03 PM EDT
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Funny years ago, when the OPEC caused the rise in crude in the 1970s, it was thought that the Arab shieks would own 3/4 of the USA, so much for the soothsayers.  ... and now we’re supposed to freak out over the Chinese? Yawn. |
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