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I usually keep kinda quiet on this site because I'm not a very outspoken person.  That being said, I believe its time to put something out there that might cause some disbelief among some and surprise among others.

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absolutely not bullshit unfortunately......

many of the same guys who enjoyed kicking in doors in iraq, would happily kick in doors in america.. some because they simply want excitement and do cool shit... others because they dont believe civilians should have the same weapons they do, some just because they are just " following orders".. its  sad, but thats just how it is. many guys simply follow orders, and if those orders result in excitement and high speed door kicking, they will kick doors they are told to kick, no matter if in downtown bagdad Iraq, or a suberb of chicago, or a farm house in kentucky. .  

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I usually keep kinda quiet on this site because I'm not a very outspoken person.  That being said, I believe its time to put something out there that might cause some disbelief among some and surprise among others.

Quick note about me so that you have some context.  I live in the "Patron State of Shooting Things".  I am an Army vet, 19D, who has served two combat tours in the Mideast, once in the Storm and again in OIF.  I am also currently working on my 24th year as a Police Officer. I have patrolled, been on SWAT, and in charge of a CID Unit.  Currently I am a Police Administrator.  I have had extensive contact with agencies and officers all across our nation. I also have the good fortune of seeing how crime numbers are reported and how they, like all statistics, can be purposely altered to reflect what the entity gathering the stats want to show.  The best example of this aside from the current political polling is what the Southern Poverty Law Center did under the Obama Administration when it classified veterans as potential terrorists.  Likewise, the curent claim of white nationalist being the biggest threat in our nation is totally fabricated and false.  Its all a play on numbers, a change to common definitions, and the want to create a false narrative................

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Cops in western NY have continued to charge people with having more than 7 rounds in a magazine for years after the law was declared unconstitutional. TN is, unfortunately, not reflective of the entire country.

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most (90%) of law enforcement do NOT support and will NOT participate in a weapon confiscation of any kind.

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"Contrary to what a lot of people believe, most (90%) of law enforcement do NOT support and will NOT participate in a weapon confiscation of any kind."

I am a law-abiding citizen and I support the police, but I don't believe this statement at all. The vast majority of police officers aren't going to risk losing their jobs and benefits/pensions by refusing to do the dirty work of the leftist politicians in blue-controlled areas.

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25+ as a police officer in a large agency in a big city the majority of which has been working on the most violent criminals...

Same experience and the OP

I swore to uphold the Constitution.... I wont be knocking on doors and I don't know any cops that will either.

Plenty of actual bad guys doing actual bad things that aren't even held accountable.

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When statements like the OP so thoughtfully took the time to share with us are so rare, it is a bit disheartening.

However, it is VERY much appreciated and certainly welcome. It is also not very common, especially here.

Thank you, OP. I hope your attitude is contagious.

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so you hear "automatic" gun fire from some guy on his backyard range.

what do you do?

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Tell that to Sheriff Israel of Broward County.

Thank you to the OP for being a shining example and hoping for the best, but the reality is, if they want mine, they aren't going to send a SWAT team at 3AM. They are going to pull me over on my way home from work, wait in their car until three more arrive, then when I'm secure, they'll politely knock on my door and arrest my wife and then ransack the place.

It's a lot safer than taking the chances on busting down the door.

But, the ultimate reality is, they are just going to legislate things out of existence and wait for the Law of Entropy to kick in. That's why there's a standing invitation at my work to go to the range, learn to shoot, etc. Hearing "Holy crap, this is fun!" and "Yesterday I thought 1,000 rounds was a crazy number, but now I understand it's an afternoon." kind of gives me hope.

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I think the "Them vs Us" mentality over the years isn't helping this situation and many places have LEOs becoming more agents of the state than fellow citizens.  At this rate, we will transition into a country where everyone will fear LE.

Look how many LE volunteered to kick down doors during Katrina.  I guarantee you there will be massive compliance enforcing new laws - it's already happening in many jurisdictions.

Balkanization, here we come.

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so you hear "automatic" gun fire from some guy on his backyard range.

what do you do?

Edit: and until every single cop and federal agent says, "nothing", you are part of the problem.

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Stop by and ask if Ican shoot too! They're are licensed individuals out here. Seriously, why would I do anything if there wasn't a call for service?

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Cops in western NY have continued to charge people with having more than 7 rounds in a magazine for years after the law was declared unconstitutional. TN is, unfortunately, not reflective of the entire country.

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Thanks for your service and perspective.

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I usually keep kinda quiet on this site because I'm not a very outspoken person.  That being said, I believe its time to put something out there that might cause some disbelief among some and surprise among others.

Quick note about me so that you have some context.  I live in the "Patron State of Shooting Things".  I am an Army vet, 19D, who has served two combat tours in the Mideast, once in the Storm and again in OIF.  I am also currently working on my 24th year as a Police Officer. I have patrolled, been on SWAT, and in charge of a CID Unit.  Currently I am a Police Administrator.  I have had extensive contact with agencies and officers all across our nation. I also have the good fortune of seeing how crime numbers are reported and how they, like all statistics, can be purposely altered to reflect what the entity gathering the stats want to show.  The best example of this aside from the current political polling is what the Southern Poverty Law Center did under the Obama Administration when it classified veterans as potential terrorists.  Likewise, the curent claim of white nationalist being the biggest threat in our nation is totally fabricated and false.  Its all a play on numbers, a change to common definitions, and the want to create a false narrative.

Now that you have a feel of where I am coming from let me relate some knowledge to you.  Contrary to what a lot of people believe, most (90%) of law enforcement do NOT support and will NOT participate in a weapon confiscation of any kind.  I personally know of no officer who would support such action for a number of reasons.  The primary reasons related to me by most officers and their Administrators are that no officer will risk their safety, or the safety of other officers confiscating a weapon from a constitutionally protected citizen (CRAZY aside). The same officers would also refuse to turn in their own personally owned weapons.  Admittedly, most of my contacts are with agencies in the southern United States so I cant affirmatively comment on more liberal states such as CA or NY.  Likewise I can't currently speak for the Military but I would venture they wouldn't participate in any operations to confiscate weapons from constitutionally protected citizens. BTW....I personally believe Red Flag Laws are unconstitutional.  Addressing the restrains caused by HIPA and addressing involuntary committal would accomplish the same thing only without putting the average citizen at risk of false claims.

Officers would support action to help deal with the mentally ill. Speaking from a LE perspective this is the only thing that will stem the tide of violence that is "specifically caused by" a mentally ill person.  (Yes, police do question the timing and think there are very suspicious circumstances and questionable motives behind what is often reported after these mass shootings) What would help is changing the HIPA law, require doctors and facilities to report voluntary and involuntary committal to in-patient mental health facilities, and address the reluctance of doctor's to label someone mentally ill because of the fear of being sued.  Until we develop a legitimate system that reports the mentally ill to N.C.I.C. we are just making useless laws and putting undo burden on law abiding citizens.

As far as assault weapons.....police do not care, we assume everyone is armed anyway. We know that the whole premise of any kind of weapon ban only affects those who follow the law anyway.  Do you honestly think police care, or even believe, that most bump stocks weren't turned in?  Trust me, they don't.  I know there aren't doors being kicked in here in my area to search for, and confiscate bump stocks.  Police officers and most reasonable people understand it's not the weapon its the person using the weapon.  Someone wanting to do harm doesn't need a firearm, a car driven through a crowded street or an IED made from household items is just as potent and even more accessible than most firearms.

Now to the real meat of this post.  Please understand this is only my personal opinion that I have developed over my career.  In my experience, contrary to what the media and some people would have people believe, the police are not out to get you (the law abiding citizen).  Yes, there are bad apples but they are few and far between.  These few are what the media puts on a pedestal and would have you believe represents most officers.  Most officers are just like you and only want to do their job 'constitutionally correct" and go home to their families at the end of the day.  I can tell you that LE is in serious crisis mode because we are losing officers in droves because of the the constant attacks on officers and there is not a pool of qualified applicants knocking down doors to apply to replace them.  Those that do apply, more often than not, have no social skills, constantly question any authority, and have a serious lack of common sense.  When hired, these officers are leaving the career within their first three years of employment and well before they can be developed into what a qualified and respected officer should be.  I fear that within the next five years at the current rate of loss there will not be enough qualified police to protect our communities.

I don't know the answer to solving all the problems facing our Country and Law Enforcement in our current political atmosphere that is headlined by fake claims of racism, false narratives, and the targeting of American values.  The officers I know believe we are headed for a total moral collapse of society and in fact it is already well in progress.  The far-left agenda of the media, politicians, and groups like antifa will eventually force this the citizens of this country to fight for what it was meant to be as laid out by our Founding Fathers.  I am only speaking for the officers I personally know and I know I wont convince anyone of this but I am confidant that most officers will fight for our rights as long as they can hold out in their current positions and when that is no longer feasible, they will become civilian patriots still supporting and fighting for what is right.

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I usually keep kinda quiet on this site because I'm not a very outspoken person.  That being said, I believe its time to put something out there that might cause some disbelief among some and surprise among others.

Quick note about me so that you have some context.  I live in the "Patron State of Shooting Things".  I am an Army vet, 19D, who has served two combat tours in the Mideast, once in the Storm and again in OIF.  I am also currently working on my 24th year as a Police Officer. I have patrolled, been on SWAT, and in charge of a CID Unit.  Currently I am a Police Administrator.  I have had extensive contact with agencies and officers all across our nation. I also have the good fortune of seeing how crime numbers are reported and how they, like all statistics, can be purposely altered to reflect what the entity gathering the stats want to show.  The best example of this aside from the current political polling is what the Southern Poverty Law Center did under the Obama Administration when it classified veterans as potential terrorists.  Likewise, the curent claim of white nationalist being the biggest threat in our nation is totally fabricated and false.  Its all a play on numbers, a change to common definitions, and the want to create a false narrative.

Now that you have a feel of where I am coming from let me relate some knowledge to you.  Contrary to what a lot of people believe, most (90%) of law enforcement do NOT support and will NOT participate in a weapon confiscation of any kind.  I personally know of no officer who would support such action for a number of reasons.  The primary reasons related to me by most officers and their Administrators are that no officer will risk their safety, or the safety of other officers confiscating a weapon from a constitutionally protected citizen (CRAZY aside). The same officers would also refuse to turn in their own personally owned weapons.  Admittedly, most of my contacts are with agencies in the southern United States so I cant affirmatively comment on more liberal states such as CA or NY.  Likewise I can't currently speak for the Military but I would venture they wouldn't participate in any operations to confiscate weapons from constitutionally protected citizens. BTW....I personally believe Red Flag Laws are unconstitutional.  Addressing the restrains caused by HIPA and addressing involuntary committal would accomplish the same thing only without putting the average citizen at risk of false claims.

Officers would support action to help deal with the mentally ill. Speaking from a LE perspective this is the only thing that will stem the tide of violence that is "specifically caused by" a mentally ill person.  (Yes, police do question the timing and think there are very suspicious circumstances and questionable motives behind what is often reported after these mass shootings) What would help is changing the HIPA law, require doctors and facilities to report voluntary and involuntary committal to in-patient mental health facilities, and address the reluctance of doctor's to label someone mentally ill because of the fear of being sued.  Until we develop a legitimate system that reports the mentally ill to N.C.I.C. we are just making useless laws and putting undo burden on law abiding citizens.

As far as assault weapons.....police do not care, we assume everyone is armed anyway. We know that the whole premise of any kind of weapon ban only affects those who follow the law anyway.  Do you honestly think police care, or even believe, that most bump stocks weren't turned in?  Trust me, they don't.  I know there aren't doors being kicked in here in my area to search for, and confiscate bump stocks.  Police officers and most reasonable people understand it's not the weapon its the person using the weapon.  Someone wanting to do harm doesn't need a firearm, a car driven through a crowded street or an IED made from household items is just as potent and even more accessible than most firearms.

Now to the real meat of this post.  Please understand this is only my personal opinion that I have developed over my career.  In my experience, contrary to what the media and some people would have people believe, the police are not out to get you (the law abiding citizen).  Yes, there are bad apples but they are few and far between.  These few are what the media puts on a pedestal and would have you believe represents most officers.  Most officers are just like you and only want to do their job 'constitutionally correct" and go home to their families at the end of the day.  I can tell you that LE is in serious crisis mode because we are losing officers in droves because of the the constant attacks on officers and there is not a pool of qualified applicants knocking down doors to apply to replace them.  Those that do apply, more often than not, have no social skills, constantly question any authority, and have a serious lack of common sense.  When hired, these officers are leaving the career within their first three years of employment and well before they can be developed into what a qualified and respected officer should be.  I fear that within the next five years at the current rate of loss there will not be enough qualified police to protect our communities.

I don't know the answer to solving all the problems facing our Country and Law Enforcement in our current political atmosphere that is headlined by fake claims of racism, false narratives, and the targeting of American values.  The officers I know believe we are headed for a total moral collapse of society and in fact it is already well in progress.  The far-left agenda of the media, politicians, and groups like antifa will eventually force this the citizens of this country to fight for what it was meant to be as laid out by our Founding Fathers.  I am only speaking for the officers I personally know and I know I wont convince anyone of this but I am confidant that most officers will fight for our rights as long as they can hold out in their current positions and when that is no longer feasible, they will become civilian patriots still supporting and fighting for what is right.

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Most liberals are gonna stomp on the constitution anyway, what makes anyone think they wont use the military to confiscate. I know someone will be along to quote Posse whatever but seriously they dont care about the rule of law. They will declare a state of emergency and use federal or military personnel. To many local yocals to deal with otherwise.

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so you hear "automatic" gun fire from some guy on his backyard range.

what do you do?

Edit: and until every single cop and federal agent says, "nothing", you are part of the problem.

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I couldn’t have said it better myself.

As an LEO in the Midwest you are spot on to what is going on.

To those saying they “don’t buy it” you may live in a more liberal community or have a few bad Chiefs/sheriffs working your areas. It does come down from the top and some agencies will have a higher number of bad apples than others. My agency has very very few bad apples and very few that would participate in confiscation.

If you are one of those wondering what law enforcement thinks about confiscation go meet with your local chief or call them anonymously and ask to speak with them. Ask them what they think. Cops aren’t some magical machine built to do the governments bidding. They’re people.

I, personally, dislike cops. Never wanted to be one growing up, only ended up here because I wanted to carry a gun to work everyday. I do what I can to make a difference in my community, I don’t infringe on peoples rights. I don’t let those working for me do it either.

Edit: I am very much anti-red flag laws. I don’t agree with the OP on that part of his post. I could care less about NCIC and background checks.