Posted: 1/9/2004 11:19:05 PM EDT
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Why does there seem to not be many 10mm handguns for sale? Im looking at getting one and its rare to see one for sale. Im looking most towards a G20 or G29. At one point when trying to look at one at the gun store in town they told me "glock doesnt make a 10mm" even though there was a new one in the case) I currently carry a G21 so I will probaly go with the G20. |
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Could be worse... you could be in California where there are only 4 (four) 10mm handguns approved for sale. Glock 20 Glock 20C Glock 29 S&W 610-3 I won't own a Glock because of the bullshit that the company has pulled and the idea of a 10mm revolver just, well, seems strange to me. Guess I'll have to wait until I move to Free America to get a 10mm (along with an AR, AK, Barrett M82A1 and a lot of other stuff the Caliban won't allow us pesants to own). |
| I just bought a Glock 29. It's a great gun for conceal carry in a rural area where protection from both man and beast is required. The 10mm is a versitile cartridge that can be had at reduced 40 S&W velocities to .357 magnum+ velocities. But be prepared to get your ammo on line since it's scarce in most gun shops. It's definitly a cartridge more suited to the enthusiast than the average Joe because of availbilty issues. |
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hi all i have recently purchased a glock 20. it is pretty sweet pistol. if you buy a 10 mm that is the one to go with. i did a lot of research on them before i bought mine. glock is th ebest one to buy. it will handle the abuse that a max load will give out. i dont load that high at all. it feels like the 45 and has the recoil of of a 40. my springfield xd comp has more recoil than my g20. i got some brass for it and have started reloading for it. $20 a box for new stuff aint cheap. good luck lojack |
| The Glock 10mms are probably one of the best. There was slide cracking issues with the early Colts. From a Glock rep, the Glock 10mm were built from the ground up to handle the increase power of the cartridge. I've the S&W 10mm autos were also built heavier, but I've never personally seen or fired one. There is not really THAT much interest in the 10s. The only LE agency that is still using them is the FBI in their 10mm HK MP5/10mm. I had a oppurtunity to shoot 10 rounds thru the MP5/10, and you've definitely got to braced yourself for the increased recoil over an 9mm Para MP5. |
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Quoted: Most shooters who are wise enough to buy a 10MM in the first place are usually wise enough to never part with them. How true.Current production is Glock,Kimber,Dan Wesson and EAA for semi automatics.S&W makes a 10mm in a revolver. I wouldn't part with my Delta Elite. |
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The Dan Wesson Razorback RZ-10 is beautiful. The Kimber Stainless Target II in 10mm is very nice too, I handled one at the funstore today. I bought today a Smith&Wesson 1006. Very nice. There are a couple on gunbroker.com right now if I remember correctly. There is also a 1076 which is what the FBI issued in the early 90s when they first got hot on the 10mm cartridge. On gunbroker.com you'll need to search both for 10mm and 1006 , 1026 , 1046 , 1066 , 1076, and 1086 (search each s&w model individually) because somtimes the sellers stupidly don't put "10mm" in the description line. One factiod about the glock 20, its frame is thicker than the glock 21's frame (heavier, tougher for the increased power). And here is a lot of great information on the 10mm and the associated firearms: http://www.bren-ten.com/ Some guy's site and VERY informative. The Bren-ten was the first 10mm pistol. -James. PS: There is one 10mm in current production that wasn't listed on that site or any other site I've seen: Ohio Rapid Fire (www.ohiorapidfire.com) makes a semiauto clone of the HK MP5 in 10mm. THey make super high quality stuff at ORF, unfortunately, the MP5-10 is like $6 g's ... |
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The 10MM is certainly a fine cartridge, but it really fills a pretty small niche (which, IMHO, is primarily hunting with a semi-auto handgun). Realistically, it’s only about 100 fps faster than some .45 +P ACP loads. And it can’t handle quite as heavy a bullet as a .45 ACP. Ammo is hard to find. It is also limited in selection, and much of it is subsonic. Plus, these subsonic 10MM loads are the equivalent of a .40 S&W, which can be used in a smaller frame semi, often with a higher magazine capacity. There’s nothing wrong with the 10MM, it’s just that – especially for self defense purposes - there’s no great advantage to it either. Quoted: ... I've the S&W 10mm autos were also built heavier, but I've never personally seen or fired one. There is not really THAT much interest in the 10s. The only LE agency that is still using them is the FBI in their 10mm HK MP5/10mm. I had a oppurtunity to shoot 10 rounds thru the MP5/10, and you've definitely got to braced yourself for the increased recoil over an 9mm Para MP5. The S&W 10MM’s are built on their .45 ACP frames and are decent (when they work!), though heavyish handguns. However, quality can be erratic with them (the FBI wound up having to totally rebuild all the 10MM’s they bought from S&W). Also, the Virginia State Police went to S&W 10MM’s right after the FBI adopted them. They got rid of them almost immediately – that should tell you something!! Incidentally, unless things have changed recently, the FBI uses the subsonic 10MM load in their MP-5’s. I’d think that’d be an awesome firearm with full-house 10MM’s!! |
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I really don't understand why the 10mm is fading away to the .40S&W, even though the 'one-cent' is such a more capable cartridge. I heard that the Glock 20's grip is VERY big ( 17 width, but longer lengthwise ). I have also been looking into this pistol - but for me, rifles first. |
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Quoted: The 10MM is certainly a fine cartridge, but it really fills a pretty small niche (which, IMHO, is primarily hunting with a semi-auto handgun). Realistically, it’s only about 100 fps faster than some .45 +P ACP loads. And it can’t handle quite as heavy a bullet as a .45 ACP. Yes but the 10mm is not even a +P that you're comparing. Compare against a factory loaded +P or +P+ 10mm and it will really open your eyes. Ammo is hard to find. It is also limited in selection, and much of it is subsonic. Plus, these subsonic 10MM loads are the equivalent of a .40 S&W, which can be used in a smaller frame semi, often with a higher magazine capacity. Mag capacity has nothing to do with it being a 10mm as it is just a lengthened .40. Diameter is what most often limits the capacity. The S&W 10MM’s are built on their .45 ACP frames and are decent (when they work!), though heavyish handguns. However, quality can be erratic with them (the FBI wound up having to totally rebuild all the 10MM’s they bought from S&W). I have a 1066 and it is a super gun and is no heavier than my P99 40 cal when both are loaded. In fact, the 1066 "feels" lighter and has run 100% so far [knock on wood]. Also, the Virginia State Police went to S&W 10MM’s right after the FBI adopted them. They got rid of them almost immediately – that should tell you something!! IRC, the 1076's had an issue with the decocker that S&W had to fix and it had nothing to do with the pistol being able to handle the round. The FBI ultimately dropped it because it was to much gun for their pussy "suited" agents. As far as the VSP dumping their guns, that tells me that to many agencies like to look to what the "big boys" use to pick a gun that is what they THINK they need...."OMG!! The FBI just bought XYZ!! We NEED those too! After all the FBI knows best!" My .02 SorryOciffer |
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I have a Glock 29 that I currently keep in my truck for CCW purposes. I ordered ammo from DoubleTap Ammo. I bought their 180gr Golden Saber load that the owner says does @ 1260fps from his Glock 29. I shot a few through my own chronograph about a week ago but the damn thing wasn't working right (late in the day, the sun wasn't right---they're finicky). I CAN tell you that this load is not one you'd want to shoot all day! Spunky is a mild description. If I was being carjacked I feel confident I could shoot the bastard THROUGH the door, not just through the window! I wouldn't be surprised at all if his claim of 1260fps was accurate. And yeah, the 10mm would be AWESOME out of an MP5! |
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10MM seems, like most other high-velocity rounds, more suited to carbine/SMG use... In this case, you get better accuracy, plus even more power due to a longer barrel... Availability is nowhere near 9mm and .45, though... Ammo availability is IMHO more important than the little extra power... |
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Quoted: I have a Glock 29 that I currently keep in my truck for CCW purposes. I ordered ammo from DoubleTap Ammo. I bought their 180gr Golden Saber load that the owner says does @ 1260fps from his Glock 29. I shot a few through my own chronograph about a week ago but the damn thing wasn't working right (late in the day, the sun wasn't right---they're finicky). I CAN tell you that this load is not one you'd want to shoot all day! Spunky is a mild description. If I was being carjacked I feel confident I could shoot the bastard THROUGH the door, not just through the window! I wouldn't be surprised at all if his claim of 1260fps was accurate. And yeah, the 10mm would be AWESOME out of an MP5! That was a major reason the FBI selected the 10mm was to penetrate windshields. Quoted: The 10MM is certainly a fine cartridge, but it really fills a pretty small niche (which, IMHO, is primarily hunting with a semi-auto handgun). Realistically, it’s only about 100 fps faster than some .45 +P ACP loads. And it can’t handle quite as heavy a bullet as a .45 ACP. Ammo is hard to find. It is also limited in selection, and much of it is subsonic. Plus, these subsonic 10MM loads are the equivalent of a .40 S&W, which can be used in a smaller frame semi, often with a higher magazine capacity. There’s nothing wrong with the 10MM, it’s just that – especially for self defense purposes - there’s no great advantage to it either. Quoted: ... I've the S&W 10mm autos were also built heavier, but I've never personally seen or fired one. There is not really THAT much interest in the 10s. The only LE agency that is still using them is the FBI in their 10mm HK MP5/10mm. I had a oppurtunity to shoot 10 rounds thru the MP5/10, and you've definitely got to braced yourself for the increased recoil over an 9mm Para MP5. The S&W 10MM’s are built on their .45 ACP frames and are decent (when they work!), though heavyish handguns. However, quality can be erratic with them (the FBI wound up having to totally rebuild all the 10MM’s they bought from S&W). Also, the Virginia State Police went to S&W 10MM’s right after the FBI adopted them. They got rid of them almost immediately – that should tell you something!! Incidentally, unless things have changed recently, the FBI uses the subsonic 10MM load in their MP-5’s. I’d think that’d be an awesome firearm with full-house 10MM’s!! Better double-check the stats for the 10mm, some of them are really heap powerful medicine. Well, I know for a fact that the MP5/10 comes with 2 recoil springs, one for the lighter slowerer velocity loads and one for the heavier standard loads. I think the issue with the FBI's 10mm S&Ws was that they wanted something different in the safety other than the decock and lower the hammer, I think it was they wanted only to decock but no safety, and in a particular situation it would fire. I think the recoil & blast of the std 10mm was just a bit too much for the average non-shooting enthusiast, the FBI was better served by going to the 40S&W because most of their agents are accountant & lawyer types going after white collar-type crimes and are not likely engage in gun battles, different story for local PDs etc. |
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I have a 10mm Springfield Omega. The barrel can be changed along with the mag to shoot .45 ACP, but I like shooting the 10mm out of it. It is a wonderful firearm and with the factory ported barrel has little recoil. Plus I still shoot the higher power rounds. I can hit about eight out of ten rounds at a 12" x 12" target at 50yrds with it. I suppose the long slide helps due to the longer sight radius. Anyone else have one? |