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Posted: 5/28/2019 6:42:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/28/2019 6:43:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryLooks a bit familiar:
 Attached FileMine was taken on the road from Camp Bondsteel to Gjilan/Gnjilane (I believe it was Pozaranje) during the summer of 2000. The Albanians were pissed off about something, as always, and decided blocking the road with a pile of burning tires was the best way to vent their frustration. For the record, there isn't a good side to the Kosovo conflict. At least the Serbs, though, will tell you to your face they hate you and want you gone. The Albanians will smile to your face, praise Bill Clinton, and thank you for being there to keep them safe. What they're really happy about, though, is that they've been given a reprieve from getting their shit pushed in so they can reset and rearm for the eventual day they think they're ready to get froggy once again.  Attached FileThat's one of the M240 sections from my platoon, manning a joint U.S. / Russian checkpoint (CP75) along the Serbian border near Kamenice. |
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Posted: 5/28/2019 6:45:28 PM EDT
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You're ignorant and uninformed. The Albanians were on that land before the Serbs even existed. The Albanians are traditionally Christian, and while most Kosovars are Muslim, there are still Catholic Albanians who also were killed by the Serbs for existing on land the Serbs previously colonized. Just like the Ireland was colonized by the English, Kosova was colonized by the Serbs. That doesn't make it theirs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Slick Willy took that land from the Serbs (mostly Christian) and gave Kosovo to the Albanian (muslim) squatters. Now the squatters are feeling even more froggy sounds like. More jihad, but with nice uniforms and gear. The Albanians were on that land before the Serbs even existed. The Albanians are traditionally Christian, and while most Kosovars are Muslim, there are still Catholic Albanians who also were killed by the Serbs for existing on land the Serbs previously colonized. Just like the Ireland was colonized by the English, Kosova was colonized by the Serbs. That doesn't make it theirs. |
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Posted: 5/28/2019 6:48:23 PM EDT
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Russian propaganda gonna propaganda. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Russian propaganda gonna propaganda. |
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Posted: 5/28/2019 6:59:00 PM EDT
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Lol, and this is how we're always expected to pick a side in Kosovo... "The other guy is terrible!" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Kosovar Albanians are such nice people: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_Serbian_heritage_in_Kosovo Good business men also: "The KLA received large funds from the Albanian diaspora in Europe and the United States.[42] It is estimated that those funds amounted from $75 million to $100 million.[26] While there is no evidence the KLA was itself directly involved in such activities before the NATO bombing of 1999,[43] [color=#ff0000]there have been allegations that proceeds from narcotics trafficking donated by Albanian drug lords formed a significant portion of the KLA's income. When the U.S. State Department listed the KLA as a terrorist organization in 1998, it noted its links to the heroin trade,[44] and a briefing paper for the U.S. Congress stated: "We would be remiss to dismiss allegations that between 30 and 50 percent of the KLA's money comes from drugs."[45] By 1999, Western intelligence agencies estimated that over $250m of narcotics money had found its way into KLA coffers.[46] After the NATO bombing, KLA-linked heroin traffickers began using Kosovo again as a major supply route; in 2000, an estimated 80% of Europe's heroin supply was controlled by Kosovar Albanians.[47]"[/color] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_Liberation_Army#Funding Child soldiers, heroin smuggling, organ theft, destruction of Serbian Orthodox churches, massacres... what is not to like? |
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Posted: 5/28/2019 7:04:19 PM EDT
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Not wishing for bloodshed, but how are 200+ people involved in a gunfight and no one is killed?
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Posted: 5/28/2019 7:52:02 PM EDT
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Not wishing for bloodshed, but how are 200+ people involved in a gunfight and no one is killed? Arabs and the folks that inhabit the Balkans have a lot of common traits, one of which is that they tend to be overly dramatic about things, and love to posture and threat-display with guns. Difference between them is that once the Balkan-types flip the switch and get froggy, they're actually pretty good at the violence thing. The Arabs? Not so much... |
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Posted: 5/28/2019 7:54:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russian propaganda gonna propaganda.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/28/2019 8:02:16 PM EDT
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Were the rape camps real, or propaganda? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fuck Kosovo and the Kosovo Albanians. It's quite literally a criminal enterprise masquerading as a country. We definitely picked the wrong side during than war. And yes, I was intimately involved on the ground in the months leading up to the air war as well as being there during and after the war. Kosovar Albanians are shit. Both sides had their villains. |
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Posted: 5/28/2019 8:03:38 PM EDT
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Who are we supposed to be pulling for? |
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Posted: 5/28/2019 8:08:32 PM EDT
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We found pics in one of the Serb police stations of people in town being rounded up, and one with a guy with his head under a truck tire. There was a tiled room on our floor that had blood spatter on the walls, and reportedly the one in the basement was worse. Both sides had their villains. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fuck Kosovo and the Kosovo Albanians. It's quite literally a criminal enterprise masquerading as a country. We definitely picked the wrong side during than war. And yes, I was intimately involved on the ground in the months leading up to the air war as well as being there during and after the war. Kosovar Albanians are shit. Both sides had their villains. |
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Posted: 5/28/2019 8:09:40 PM EDT
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I appreciate the information. However, this is STILL bullshit. Let me explain why: -Europe, exclusive of European Russia, has a population about twice that of the US. -Their GDP is not that much less than ours. -Europe has a LONG history of dealing with the problems of the Balkans. "Long" as in a millenium or more. -The reason that Europe has so much experience with Balkan issues lies in the fact that the Balkans are a vital EUROPEAN interest. -Europe has a history of coalition military alliances going back at least five hundred years, long before the US existed. I understand the need for an American-European alliance to deal with the big problems. Please explain to me why: -Europe can't deal with little problems on THEIR doorstep like Kosovo and Libya without running to the US -Europe can't field a coalition military establishment at least close to ours in size. |
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Posted: 5/28/2019 8:11:04 PM EDT
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-Bring the troops home. I know of a border that needs protecting, and it's NOT in Europe. -Sell the base and equipment. Use the money to build The Wall. |
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Posted: 5/28/2019 8:16:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wut? Albanians are majority Muslim; I actually dated one for like three years. |
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Posted: 5/28/2019 8:30:31 PM EDT
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In Kosovo maybe but Albania has more Orthodox and Catholic outreach competing with Saudi Arabia mosque $ https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2007-04-18-0704170802-story.html Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Wut? Albanians are majority Muslim; I actually dated one for like three years. |
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Posted: 5/28/2019 8:45:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Muslims are supposedly the majority in Albania proper as well, at least culturally if not the strictest practitioners.  Pope to Albanian Christians: I came to give you thanks for your witness |
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Posted: 5/28/2019 8:52:39 PM EDT
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In Kosovo maybe but Albania has more Orthodox and Catholic outreach competing with Saudi Arabia mosque $ https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2007-04-18-0704170802-story.html |
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Posted: 5/28/2019 8:53:59 PM EDT
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Considering it was a communist country for so long probably not the strictest. At least not on the level of Saudi Arabia & Iran given Israel played sports there recently and the UN and Vatican praised Albania’s religious tolerance in 2014  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DchDqyMnAIkQuote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Muslims are supposedly the majority in Albania proper as well, at least culturally if not the strictest practitioners. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DchDqyMnAIk |
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Posted: 5/28/2019 8:57:18 PM EDT
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Considering it was a communist country for so long probably not the strictest. At least not on the level of Saudi Arabia & Iran given Israel played sports there recently and the UN and Vatican praised Albania’s religious tolerance in 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DchDqyMnAIkhttps://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/Netanyahu-to-Albanian-PM-Our-friendship-goes-back-to-Albania-protecting-Jews-from-Nazis-437943 "Netanyahu pointed out that Albania was the only country in Europe where the Jewish population after World War II was greater than it was before the war. “I think Albania is the only country whose Jewish population during the Holocaust actually grew because of the refuge and the sanctuary and the friendship and courage shown by the people of Albania,” he said. An estimated 200 Jews lived in the country before the war, a figure that swelled some ten times to more than 2,000 afterward, many of them Jews who fled to the country from other European lands. “We never forget our friends, and we appreciate that display of humanity, civility and courage in our darkest hours,” the premier added." |
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Posted: 5/28/2019 9:00:55 PM EDT
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The strategic purpose of NATO as a US-dominated military alliance is, at least in part, to prevent the rise of a single European power or coalition that has both the motivation and ability to be a serious threat to the United States. Europe's dependence on our military is largely by design. Our design. The Euroweenies don't seem to be on track to be a threat to anybody. |
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Posted: 5/28/2019 9:03:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Judging only by the amount of booze, porn, and prostitution I saw there, as well as the number of women walking around unescorted by a male member of her family, wearing western clothes, and talking to unrelated males, it's my theory that Kosovar Albanians are Muslim only because of family tradition, rather than some deep seated belief that Mohammed is the one and only true prophet of Allah. There is as much danger of Sharia Law taking hold in Kosovo as there is peace. |
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Posted: 5/28/2019 9:04:13 PM EDT
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I hope they have plenty of Gopros on hand.
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Posted: 5/28/2019 9:06:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The North and Central Highlands have large numbers of Catholics. The largest numbers of Orthodox are in the South, but there are quite a bit up North also. Muslims tend to be spread mostly in the lowlands, but that's not necessarily a hard rule. They tend to be Muslims in name only, but Arabs have pumped a lot of money in in the past 20 years; I wouldn't be surprised if they have succeeded in radicalizing some. |
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Posted: 5/28/2019 9:07:14 PM EDT
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Well, I guess it worked, then. The Euroweenies don't seem to be on track to be a threat to anybody. |
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Posted: 5/28/2019 9:10:08 PM EDT
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Lot's of people from Kosovo around me. My neighbors are supposedly Muslim, like everyone else here is supposed to be, but I agree with the poster above, they don't practice it in anyway.
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Posted: 5/28/2019 9:15:42 PM EDT
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Why are we supposed to care? |
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Posted: 5/28/2019 9:17:22 PM EDT
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The strategic purpose of NATO as a US-dominated military alliance is, at least in part, to prevent the rise of a single European power or coalition that has both the motivation and ability to be a serious threat to the United States. Europe's dependence on our military is largely by design. Our design. |
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Posted: 5/28/2019 9:28:29 PM EDT
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They also were quite the car thieves. They stole all sorts of luxury cars. As I stated earlier, the government of Kosovo is little more than a criminal enterprise. |
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Posted: 5/28/2019 9:37:14 PM EDT
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Been around plenty of Albanians and Bosnians. They all seem to be different flavors of generational aimless hate and blame.
Disgusting sad not even: Almost every single one of those who grew up under Tito, friends disappearing, getting raped, sniped during wars walking down the street, remembers communism as a difficult time of little prosperity, but at least they were all "treated equally" regardless  Fucking sad.
On a side note I remember a Catholic Albanian I spoke to emphatically explained to be that the Muslims there are so common because people were weak cowards, all the families that cared about living more then anything bent the knee and converted. His family resisted, most were killed, but they stayed Christian. |
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Posted: 5/28/2019 10:01:08 PM EDT
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Well, I guess no more Zastavas.
I love mine. |
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Posted: 5/28/2019 10:15:52 PM EDT
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I appreciate the information. However, this is STILL bullshit. Let me explain why: -Europe, exclusive of European Russia, has a population about twice that of the US. -Their GDP is not that much less than ours. -Europe has a LONG history of dealing with the problems of the Balkans. "Long" as in a millenium or more. -The reason that Europe has so much experience with Balkan issues lies in the fact that the Balkans are a vital EUROPEAN interest. -Europe has a history of coalition military alliances going back at least five hundred years, long before the US existed. I understand the need for an American-European alliance to deal with the big problems. Please explain to me why: -Europe can't deal with little problems on THEIR doorstep like Kosovo and Libya without running to the US -Europe can't field a coalition military establishment at least close to ours in size. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wyoming ARNG is sending a few soldiers as part of the Alaska ARNG's infantry battalion. For awhile field artillery battalions without artillery were going to Kosovo every year back in 2010 when US troops were peaked in Iraq and Afghanistan NATO has had a camp there for the last 20 years. The USA contributes a battalion every year to the force at the camp https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/459941/8DD1923B-3064-4CAC-B268-1AB1CD459E6B_jpeg-961065.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/459941/273561A5-755D-40F2-8F3B-DBF878811AF8_jpeg-961066.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/459941/E73DDEAE-7293-4068-BA5E-41146C4EFE2C_jpeg-961067.JPG However, this is STILL bullshit. Let me explain why: -Europe, exclusive of European Russia, has a population about twice that of the US. -Their GDP is not that much less than ours. -Europe has a LONG history of dealing with the problems of the Balkans. "Long" as in a millenium or more. -The reason that Europe has so much experience with Balkan issues lies in the fact that the Balkans are a vital EUROPEAN interest. -Europe has a history of coalition military alliances going back at least five hundred years, long before the US existed. I understand the need for an American-European alliance to deal with the big problems. Please explain to me why: -Europe can't deal with little problems on THEIR doorstep like Kosovo and Libya without running to the US -Europe can't field a coalition military establishment at least close to ours in size. |
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Posted: 5/28/2019 10:18:29 PM EDT
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You're ignorant and uninformed. The Albanians were on that land before the Serbs even existed. The Albanians are traditionally Christian, and while most Kosovars are Muslim, there are still Catholic Albanians who also were killed by the Serbs for existing on land the Serbs previously colonized. Just like the Ireland was colonized by the English, Kosova was colonized by the Serbs. That doesn't make it theirs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Slick Willy took that land from the Serbs (mostly Christian) and gave Kosovo to the Albanian (muslim) squatters. Now the squatters are feeling even more froggy sounds like. More jihad, but with nice uniforms and gear. The Albanians were on that land before the Serbs even existed. The Albanians are traditionally Christian, and while most Kosovars are Muslim, there are still Catholic Albanians who also were killed by the Serbs for existing on land the Serbs previously colonized. Just like the Ireland was colonized by the English, Kosova was colonized by the Serbs. That doesn't make it theirs. |
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Posted: 5/28/2019 10:28:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/28/2019 10:33:03 PM EDT
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Then why have Presidents and SECDEFs for 30 years been begging for the Euros to increase their effective military capacity? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The strategic purpose of NATO as a US-dominated military alliance is, at least in part, to prevent the rise of a single European power or coalition that has both the motivation and ability to be a serious threat to the United States. Europe's dependence on our military is largely by design. Our design. Perhaps the politicians lost sight of or interest in the original plan. Perhaps the begging was mostly a show for US voters who got tired of the cost. |
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Posted: 5/28/2019 10:38:09 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/28/2019 10:40:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/28/2019 10:59:17 PM EDT
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The Balkans have been an ethnic powder keg for centuries. They've been murdering each other since time immemorial.
Let Europe deal with it. |
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Posted: 5/28/2019 11:16:01 PM EDT
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Who are we supposed to be pulling for? |
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Posted: 5/28/2019 11:18:19 PM EDT
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To our eternal shame. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The world not only sat back while Muslims ethnically cleansed Serbians from Kosovo we helped. We should be ashamed. Something worth noting in around 1920 people were celebrating Kosovo fir its multicultural make up. 10% around then, people from various places. That number increased until a tipping point then people that were invited in, given jobs,benefits,university places. Sign posts in their languages took up arms and slaughtered their next door neighbours. Then because you can't tell a dead Serb from a dead Albanian Muslim they went to the UN and said look at all these dead Muslims. And we bombed the shit out of Serbia. I believe and I admit I'm probably in a minority in a 100 years historians will look back on Kosovo with very different interpretations. 
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Posted: 5/28/2019 11:28:56 PM EDT
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Fuck Kosovo and the Kosovo Albanians. It’s quite literally a criminal enterprise masquerading as a country. We definitely picked the wrong side during than war. And yes, I was intimately involved on the ground in the months leading up to the air war as well as being there during and after the war. Kosovar Albanians are shit. |
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Posted: 5/28/2019 11:37:53 PM EDT
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I appreciate the information. However, this is STILL bullshit. Let me explain why: -Europe, exclusive of European Russia, has a population about twice that of the US. -Their GDP is not that much less than ours. -Europe has a LONG history of dealing with the problems of the Balkans. "Long" as in a millenium or more. -The reason that Europe has so much experience with Balkan issues lies in the fact that the Balkans are a vital EUROPEAN interest. -Europe has a history of coalition military alliances going back at least five hundred years, long before the US existed. I understand the need for an American-European alliance to deal with the big problems. Please explain to me why: -Europe can't deal with little problems on THEIR doorstep like Kosovo and Libya without running to the US -Europe can't field a coalition military establishment at least close to ours in size. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wyoming ARNG is sending a few soldiers as part of the Alaska ARNG's infantry battalion. For awhile field artillery battalions without artillery were going to Kosovo every year back in 2010 when US troops were peaked in Iraq and Afghanistan NATO has had a camp there for the last 20 years. The USA contributes a battalion every year to the force at the camp https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/459941/8DD1923B-3064-4CAC-B268-1AB1CD459E6B_jpeg-961065.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/459941/273561A5-755D-40F2-8F3B-DBF878811AF8_jpeg-961066.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/459941/E73DDEAE-7293-4068-BA5E-41146C4EFE2C_jpeg-961067.JPG However, this is STILL bullshit. Let me explain why: -Europe, exclusive of European Russia, has a population about twice that of the US. -Their GDP is not that much less than ours. -Europe has a LONG history of dealing with the problems of the Balkans. "Long" as in a millenium or more. -The reason that Europe has so much experience with Balkan issues lies in the fact that the Balkans are a vital EUROPEAN interest. -Europe has a history of coalition military alliances going back at least five hundred years, long before the US existed. I understand the need for an American-European alliance to deal with the big problems. Please explain to me why: -Europe can't deal with little problems on THEIR doorstep like Kosovo and Libya without running to the US -Europe can't field a coalition military establishment at least close to ours in size. |
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Posted: 5/29/2019 2:19:44 AM EDT
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So are they getting it on or just postering?
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Posted: 5/29/2019 3:38:07 AM EDT
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The world not only sat back while Muslims ethnically cleansed Serbians from Kosovo we helped. We should be ashamed. Something worth noting in around 1920 people were celebrating Kosovo fir its multicultural make up. 10% around then, people from various places. That number increased until a tipping point then people that were invited in, given jobs,benefits,university places. Sign posts in their languages took up arms and slaughtered their next door neighbours. Then because you can’t tell a dead Serb from a dead Albanian Muslim they went to the UN and said look at all these dead Muslims. ...snip... Serbs and their sympathizers love to paint a picture of illegal muslim invaders jumping off enemy trucks in 1940 and kicking old serbian ladies out of their ancestral homes nevermind that it's not historically true. |
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Posted: 5/29/2019 5:56:01 AM EDT
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The kebab removers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Who are we supposed to be pulling for?  Attached FileThis shit pisses me off. We’re reportedly right on the cusp of getting PRVI 6.5 Grendel ammo back again (with small primers even!), and it’d be par for the course for fuckery to kick off.  If it comes to it, maybe we’ll get some cool vids and some more Grendel data if we’re lucky. |
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Posted: 5/29/2019 6:16:58 AM EDT
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Deep history aside, those percentages might have stood in the 1400s but it certainly wasn't true in 1912 when in the First Balkan War - among serb atrocities that even back then shocked Europe - yet the serbs conveniently fail to notice Kosova was an Albanian majority. Serbs and their sympathizers love to paint a picture of illegal muslim invaders jumping off enemy trucks in 1940 and kicking old serbian ladies out of their ancestral homes nevermind that it's not historically true. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The world not only sat back while Muslims ethnically cleansed Serbians from Kosovo we helped. We should be ashamed. Something worth noting in around 1920 people were celebrating Kosovo fir its multicultural make up. 10% around then, people from various places. That number increased until a tipping point then people that were invited in, given jobs,benefits,university places. Sign posts in their languages took up arms and slaughtered their next door neighbours. Then because you can't tell a dead Serb from a dead Albanian Muslim they went to the UN and said look at all these dead Muslims. ...snip... Serbs and their sympathizers love to paint a picture of illegal muslim invaders jumping off enemy trucks in 1940 and kicking old serbian ladies out of their ancestral homes nevermind that it's not historically true. |
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Posted: 5/29/2019 7:09:44 AM EDT
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Land belongs to whoever has the willingness and capability to fight and hold it. There is no "good side" here. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The world not only sat back while Muslims ethnically cleansed Serbians from Kosovo we helped. We should be ashamed. Something worth noting in around 1920 people were celebrating Kosovo fir its multicultural make up. 10% around then, people from various places. That number increased until a tipping point then people that were invited in, given jobs,benefits,university places. Sign posts in their languages took up arms and slaughtered their next door neighbours. Then because you can't tell a dead Serb from a dead Albanian Muslim they went to the UN and said look at all these dead Muslims. ...snip... Serbs and their sympathizers love to paint a picture of illegal muslim invaders jumping off enemy trucks in 1940 and kicking old serbian ladies out of their ancestral homes nevermind that it's not historically true. |
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Posted: 5/29/2019 7:25:04 AM EDT
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Just heard this morning that a unit of the Wyoming National Guard is going to Kosovo to do "peacekeeping". THAT is bullshit. This has nothing to do with us. The Euros are too scared/lazy/cheap to deal with this shitshow right on their doorstep? Why should anyone in Wyoming care? 
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Posted: 5/29/2019 7:35:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What side are we gonna support this time? |
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Posted: 5/29/2019 7:39:38 AM EDT
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Right on cue...
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Posted: 5/29/2019 7:39:47 AM EDT
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Bill Clinton fought an air war against the Serbs and John McCain backed an independent Kosovo. Does that help you decide who the good guys are? |
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