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Posted: 5/16/2019 4:30:35 PM EDT
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I thought it was interesting how on a few occasions, he went to gunshops/smiths for maintenance then another time to get his guns cleaned. pg 162 is an example. If he was such a big "gun nut" why would he take his stuff to get cleaned? Just kinda stood out to me.
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Posted: 5/16/2019 4:31:35 PM EDT
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How can there be so many weird inconsistencies, unconfirmed witness accounts, conflicting stories, and totally unanswered questions in one single case? |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 4:32:50 PM EDT
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Interesting.
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Posted: 5/16/2019 4:32:56 PM EDT
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Tag for later reading
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Posted: 5/16/2019 4:37:37 PM EDT
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In on one
Eta. Dammit. Fuckery is afoot. |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 4:43:04 PM EDT
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Interesting how they describe the rate of fire for the guns with bump stocks. In Rules Of Examinations it states: "Item 2... ...In addition, when using the SFS bump stock placed in the engaged position, the Item 2 rifle was able to produce rapid semi-automatic fire."
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Posted: 5/16/2019 4:43:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/16/2019 4:48:07 PM EDT
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Rt. 91?
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Posted: 5/16/2019 4:50:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would say that can be commonplace with witness statements in a high-profile event. If you talk to career investigators, they will tell you some doozies they've had to deal with over the years just on smaller incidents. A saw XYZ B saw YZX C saw "Oh lawd, they was bunnies and aliens coming out his back, and I said, sweet lord have mercy!" D saw a red car racing away. E saw an old man on a moped with an inverted hairpiece. You get the idea. |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 4:56:37 PM EDT
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I thought it was interesting how on a few occasions, he went to gunshops/smiths for maintenance then another time to get his guns cleaned. pg 162 is an example. If he was such a big "gun nut" why would he take his stuff to get cleaned? Just kinda stood out to me. When I worked for a gunsmith, most of the folks that would come in asking specifically for a cleaning were not shooters. Though any firearm we received got a good cleaning before we did any repair work. |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 5:03:25 PM EDT
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Rt. 91? |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 5:03:51 PM EDT
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How can there be so many weird inconsistencies, unconfirmed witness accounts, conflicting stories, and totally unanswered questions in one single case? 
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Posted: 5/16/2019 5:05:22 PM EDT
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What a shit show of an investigation. You know they are hiding things. They made people wait a year to say. We learned nothing. Complete mystery.
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Posted: 5/16/2019 5:11:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm with you here. That seems odd if he really is a gun nut. When I worked for a gunsmith, most of the folks that would come in asking specifically for a cleaning were not shooters. Though any firearm we received got a good cleaning before we did any repair work. |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 5:12:13 PM EDT
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I want to know why the dude shooting from the 4th ish floor that was caught on video by that cab driver hasn’t been mentioned. She uploaded it the day after the shooting and it correlated with a bunch of reports of angles of fire and multiple muzzle flashes from different areas.
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Posted: 5/16/2019 5:20:32 PM EDT
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Why the hell does someone planning a mass murder and suicide send a fucking rifle in for repair. Im more convinced now that he planned to sell the weapons to a terror group. He ordered a variety of ammo instead of one brand which is odd. Also noticed the FBI doesnt enter revolver cartridges into the computer identification database .
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Posted: 5/16/2019 5:20:59 PM EDT
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We get attacked by a terrorist using guerrilla warfare tactics and liberals solution is for us to disarm ourselves.
Yeah, ok. No, and fuck you very much. |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 5:21:45 PM EDT
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Also why are certain places and names of people deemed "classified"?
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Posted: 5/16/2019 5:24:15 PM EDT
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I have always suspected his girlfriend was ISIS in the philippenes (sp) I see he was sending himself emails and probably giving the log in to other people.
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Posted: 5/16/2019 5:28:05 PM EDT
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Interview with the guy that Paddock met at Bass Pro. Paddock was trying to get the guy to make some kind of auto sears for $500 each.
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Posted: 5/16/2019 5:30:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/16/2019 5:31:22 PM EDT
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Thank you Nolo. |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 5:33:56 PM EDT
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Terms people may be unfamiliar with - ORION: Operational Response and Investigative Online Network SECRET/NOFORN: Secret, no foreign nationals can see this That story about Paddock approaching guys at a shooting range and offering to sell them full auto converted AR15s and AKs is very suspicious. Who meets strangers at a range and offers to sell them illegally converted AR15s and AKs? Only thing I can think of is an ATF informant trying to work off his plea deal or an agent. Of all the years and various States where I've gone to ranges to shoot, I've never been approached in such a manner. Very odd... |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 5:39:58 PM EDT
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Except for that one time a neighbor described my subject as a 6-fingered accordian playing dwarf....with a twin brother who was also a 6-fingered accordian playing dwarf. Turns out the witness was correct on all counts. I was sure he was batshit crazy. 
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Posted: 5/16/2019 5:40:03 PM EDT
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Why the hell does someone planning a mass murder and suicide send a fucking rifle in for repair. Im more convinced now that he planned to sell the weapons to a terror group. He ordered a variety of ammo instead of one brand which is odd. Also noticed the FBI doesnt enter revolver cartridges into the computer identification database . https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/213498/E29927B7-0BF1-4830-8AC2-6AAB010A6026_png-947213.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/213498/6AD94443-BEC0-4B1F-9B32-AC67A63EE8CF_png-947215.JPG |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 5:41:11 PM EDT
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Wait, who signed for the rifle that was sent back from DD's RMA? If it was Paddock would they redact his name? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why the hell does someone planning a mass murder and suicide send a fucking rifle in for repair. Im more convinced now that he planned to sell the weapons to a terror group. He ordered a variety of ammo instead of one brand which is odd. Also noticed the FBI doesnt enter revolver cartridges into the computer identification database . https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/213498/E29927B7-0BF1-4830-8AC2-6AAB010A6026_png-947213.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/213498/6AD94443-BEC0-4B1F-9B32-AC67A63EE8CF_png-947215.JPG |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 5:53:19 PM EDT
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This case just gets stranger and stranger. I have no idea what to believe other than im sure we will never know the whole story.
This will be my generations JFK |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 5:55:34 PM EDT
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Wasn't Paddock's house mysteriously burglarized right after the shooting?
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Posted: 5/16/2019 5:57:14 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/16/2019 5:59:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Im curious what was on the computer they found That had to of had some shit on it At the very least his google searches the past few months should reveal something about the guy His brother was busted a few days after the shooting for kiddie porn as well. Still no word on the missing hard drive? I think it had names & numbers of illegal gun buyers & suppliers. |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 6:02:18 PM EDT
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According to Paddock's Wiki page, his computers were full of kiddie porn. His brother was busted a few days after the shooting for kiddie porn as well. Still no word on the missing hard drive? I think it had names & numbers of illegal gun buyers & suppliers. Find "kiddie porn" and the public's interest in digging further goes away. |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 6:03:51 PM EDT
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Whole buncha guns got tested in that report w bumpstocks Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So the rumor he didnt use bump stocks is true? The FBI or ATF said he didnt accidentally illegal full auto fire would play well in the media...? Whatever happened to the girl friend and child sex trafficking/pornography ring first reported? |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 6:07:14 PM EDT
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Wasn't Paddock's house mysteriously burglarized right after the shooting? |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 6:11:15 PM EDT
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lol |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 6:27:31 PM EDT
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According to Paddock's Wiki page, his computers were full of kiddie porn. His brother was busted a few days after the shooting for kiddie porn as well. Still no word on the missing hard drive? I think it had names & numbers of illegal gun buyers & suppliers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Im curious what was on the computer they found That had to of had some shit on it At the very least his google searches the past few months should reveal something about the guy His brother was busted a few days after the shooting for kiddie porn as well. Still no word on the missing hard drive? I think it had names & numbers of illegal gun buyers & suppliers. As if it was used as leverage to get him to something (not necessarily shoot people). Sort of we know what you’ve done and who you sometimes interact with. We know about your brother. We know about your travels to gamble. Help us with this (whatever that is) and we. An ignore the kiddie porn and keep your brother out of jail. Don’t want to end up like your dad right? |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 6:52:07 PM EDT
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Follow up on this later |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 7:06:08 PM EDT
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Terms people may be unfamiliar with - ORION: Operational Response and Investigative Online Network SECRET/NOFORN: Secret, no foreign nationals can see this That story about Paddock approaching guys at a shooting range and offering to sell them full auto converted AR15s and AKs is very suspicious. Who meets strangers at a range and offers to sell them illegally converted AR15s and AKs? Only thing I can think of is an ATF informant trying to work off his plea deal or an agent. Of all the years and various States where I've gone to ranges to shoot, I've never been approached in such a manner. Very odd... |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 7:07:04 PM EDT
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Wait, who signed for the rifle that was sent back from DD's RMA? If it was Paddock would they redact his name? |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 7:08:34 PM EDT
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Interview with the guy that Paddock met at Bass Pro. Paddock was trying to get the guy to make some kind of auto sears for $500 each. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/224641/Capture1_PNG-947225.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/224641/Capture2_PNG-947228.JPG The width and thickness is right for a LL, but you need steel for the trip on a LL. AL will bend and not work long. I could see an AL swift link working. Steel would be better though. |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 7:09:01 PM EDT
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As to the revolver brass not being entered into the computer I can only speculate they have a way to examine brass extrication marks and dents to ID weapons involved in crimes as well as the firing pin now. Very interesting .
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Posted: 5/16/2019 7:41:08 PM EDT
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I think it's safe to say that no one is going to release anything truly damaging in a FOIA request, if doing so would implicate the federal government in planning or abetting an act of mass domestic terrorism.
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Posted: 5/16/2019 8:18:27 PM EDT
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This is gonna get good |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 8:26:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I checked the tracking number which wasn't redacted but it came up empty. |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 8:47:27 PM EDT
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That story about Paddock approaching guys at a shooting range and offering to sell them full auto converted AR15s and AKs is very suspicious. Quote HistoryQuoted:
That story about Paddock approaching guys at a shooting range and offering to sell them full auto converted AR15s and AKs is very suspicious. Who meets strangers at a range and offers to sell them illegally converted AR15s and AKs? Only thing I can think of is an ATF informant trying to work off his plea deal or an agent. Of all the years and various States where I've gone to ranges to shoot, I've never been approached in such a manner. Very odd... |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 8:56:23 PM EDT
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Witness statements are often unreliable, but it is interesting that so many reference a ground level shooter. |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 8:56:59 PM EDT
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We’ll never get the full truth from this, no matter what it is.
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Posted: 5/16/2019 8:59:32 PM EDT
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lol |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 9:15:44 PM EDT
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Interesting
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Posted: 5/16/2019 9:21:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/16/2019 9:36:47 PM EDT
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@NoloContendere Any idea where the other casings were logged into evidence? I am guessing a lot more fell outside the hotel room. I saw a small amount were recovered in the room. Was this handled by a different agency? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I checked the tracking number which wasn't redacted but it came up empty. |
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