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Posted: 3/18/2019 7:46:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/18/2019 7:52:10 PM EDT
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Yeah, Infantry guys carry a bunch of their own personally bought knives. I remember an LT asking me if I had a knife, because he needed to borrow it to cut something real quick. I told him I didn't actually have a knife on me. His reply "You don't have a knife? What kind of Infantryman are you?" LOL 
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Posted: 3/18/2019 7:53:12 PM EDT
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0311C, the only times I used the M9 Bayonet was to cut away the paraffin wax and cheesecloth around the mortar round tootsie roll tubes, and in Berlin Brigade, we fixed bayonets for Allied Forces Day Parade June 17th (on StraBe des 17. Juni from the Brandenburg Gate past the Siegesaule) and the Independence Day Parade. on the Platz des 4. Juli every year.
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Posted: 3/18/2019 7:54:19 PM EDT
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All you guys that claim to have bayo training were never taught to slash? Thrust, slash, parry, and butt stroke.
I'll take a sharp one any day and I'd like to see the report that says the sharp ones get stuck in people. 
Did you know a .50cal round will take your arm off if it passes close enough? |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 7:56:42 PM EDT
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Bayonets were not supposed to be sharp. Stabby stabby. Not slashy slashy. Slash, Perry, and Butt Stroke are essential. All the Bayonets I have ever seen the Army were sharp. Kept in the Arms Room in Germany. In the 101st it was on our gear 24/7. |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 7:58:00 PM EDT
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All you guys that claim to have bayo training were never taught to slash? Thrust, slash, parry, and butt stroke. I'll take a sharp one any day and I'd like to see the report that says the sharp ones get stuck in people.
Did you know a .50cal round will take your arm off if it passes close enough? |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 8:01:50 PM EDT
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The Brit's bayonets are round and pointy....but they're Brits.
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Posted: 3/18/2019 8:02:07 PM EDT
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Yeah, Infantry guys carry a bunch of their own personally bought knives. I remember an LT asking me if I had a knife, because he needed to borrow it to cut something real quick. I told him I didn't actually have a knife on me. His reply "You don't have a knife? What kind of Infantryman are you?" LOL |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 8:03:37 PM EDT
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"The kind that doesn't share his fucking knife." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah, Infantry guys carry a bunch of their own personally bought knives. I remember an LT asking me if I had a knife, because he needed to borrow it to cut something real quick. I told him I didn't actually have a knife on me. His reply "You don't have a knife? What kind of Infantryman are you?" LOL |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 8:03:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Know how I know you never had Bayonet Training ? Slash, Perry, and Butt Stroke are essential.
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Posted: 3/18/2019 8:06:54 PM EDT
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The Civil War is a war where alot of people have this perception, that guys used bayonets all the time on charges. Shelby Foote, noted Civil War historian, says that bayonet charges even in the Civil war were very rare. And that was with muzzle loaders that were the standard issue. |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 8:07:54 PM EDT
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I admit I do not know about now, but in Nam you could shave with mine, also my fighting knife.
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Posted: 3/18/2019 8:12:24 PM EDT
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My bayonet was not sharp. It had an “edge”, kind of, but it could not have cut a piece of paper.
Eta: It’s like they machined a fighting knife, but never honed a finished edge on it. |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 8:18:23 PM EDT
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I bought an M9 bayonet from OKC and it came razor sharp and with fine pin point.
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Posted: 3/18/2019 8:19:19 PM EDT
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 How to KILL with a Bayonet! |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 8:20:13 PM EDT
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Here is one of the last years of Bayonet Training for the Army.
 Basic Training Bayonet Training |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 8:20:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/18/2019 8:23:10 PM EDT
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Strange. When we had bayonet training in the Marines back around 1994, slashing was a thing in addition to stabbing. I seem to recall that our M7 bayonets were sharpened.
Dull bayonets? No slashing? WTF? More dumbing down of the military? |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 8:23:52 PM EDT
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Well, the OKC-3S is pretty fucking sharp...maybe the Army bayo isn't all that sharp cuz it's organizational gear that's been issued 87,000 times and been used for everything from cutting open MRE cases, to breaking bands on ammo crates to eviscerating jihadi scum and never been sharpened?
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Posted: 3/18/2019 8:23:57 PM EDT
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The two most dangerous things in the world are an unloaded gun and a dull knife...……….  |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 8:25:08 PM EDT
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They didn't attach a claymore sword to the end of your cannon?  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Being a tanker, I never even saw a bayonet . |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 8:28:16 PM EDT
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Last month I ran across a thread on this in one of the knife forums I visit. The consensus was that a bayonet isn't supposed to be sharp because it's a stabbing weapon and you don't want a sharp blade to cut into and then get stuck between two ribs. There were stories of guys who said they sharped theirs and had them replaced and told not to do it again. Who knows if this is the reason. ETA FWIW I have 3 bayonets, 1 is Polish, 1 is Bulgarian and 1 is Russian. They are all dull AF. The Polish and the Russian bayos are brand new never issued. 
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Posted: 3/18/2019 8:29:30 PM EDT
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They didn't attach a claymore sword to the end of your cannon? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Being a tanker, I never even saw a bayonet . 
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Posted: 3/18/2019 8:31:18 PM EDT
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I have an M7, M9, and an OKC3. They're all very sharp, because I sharpened them.
Slashing is just as important as stabbing. At least the Marine Corps still conducts bayonet training. |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 8:33:09 PM EDT
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All those commandos out there that want a bayonet would only open MREs and carve dicks into trees with it, that is if they even knew how to sharpen a knife to begin with. The only benifit I see a bayonet being in today's deployment rotations is defending against angery feral pigs in a training environment.
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Posted: 3/18/2019 8:35:10 PM EDT
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As an added bonus to this thread, I just bought a M6 Bayonet for my M1A. It's new old stock, still sealed in it's original packing dated 1968. I'll post picks and see if it arrives dull or sharpened.
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Posted: 3/18/2019 8:38:34 PM EDT
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I sharpened my bayonets when I was in, even cut the head off of a snake once with it mounted on the rifle...some kind of viper.
I volunteer in a museum, nearly all of the bayonets and swords have never been sharpened. Rev War on up. The KaBars, machetes, Jap swords, and Confederate bowies are all sharp, or were once. |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 8:39:12 PM EDT
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I've had a lot of bayonets from many nations, but none were ever sharpened.
It looks like a knife but its not. It doesn't need a sharpened edge to gig someone.
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Posted: 3/18/2019 8:53:35 PM EDT
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Lots of no slashy, slashy replies.
Seems to me though, that the natural follow up stroke to an upward butt stroke is a downward slash. Preferably across the neck, but slashing the forearm or chest is good too. The upward butt stroke delivered under the chin works great if their guard is low or non-existent. It can be delivered with the nearly the speed of a jab, and gives the least "telegraph" effect (it's coming from below the field of vision). If it doesn't knock them clean out they will likely be out on their feet, dropping their guard, exposing the neck for a the slash. All my bayonets are quite sharp thank you. |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 8:53:55 PM EDT
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I have literally never seen a bayonet in my time in the Army. Nobody uses them anymore and they serve almost no purpose
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Posted: 3/18/2019 8:54:02 PM EDT
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I used to have all the DDR NVA bayo patterns and they all had dull edges except for the last pattern "Rambo" bayonet which was sharp right out of the wrapper.
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Posted: 3/18/2019 8:57:58 PM EDT
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Here is one of the last years of Bayonet Training for the Army.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDeyGrUV-CI |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 9:05:16 PM EDT
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I have literally never seen a bayonet in my time in the Army. Nobody uses them anymore and they serve almost no purpose 
Hell, knife fighting is taught as part of MCMAP. 
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Posted: 3/18/2019 9:13:29 PM EDT
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All you guys that claim to have bayo training were never taught to slash? Thrust, slash, parry, and butt stroke. I'll take a sharp one any day and I'd like to see the report that says the sharp ones get stuck in people.
Did you know a .50cal round will take your arm off if it passes close enough? You guys saying that sharp bayonets cut in to the bone and get stuck, have you never butchered and animal? A really sharp knife barely marks a bone much less buries itself. The bayonet can get wedged, then plant your foot and pull. |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 9:14:20 PM EDT
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The only usgi surplus bayonet examples I have on hand that were not sharp out of the wrapper are those by MilParCo.
Imperials and BOCs are like razors. Paladin |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 9:18:10 PM EDT
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@backbencher 
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Posted: 3/18/2019 9:20:29 PM EDT
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"KILL KILL KILL WITH COLD BLUE STEEL"
"THERE ARE TWO KINDS OF BAYONET FIGHTERS, WHAT ARE THEY?" "THE QUICK AND THE DEAD DRILL SERGEANT"
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Posted: 3/18/2019 9:22:39 PM EDT
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A few times we got our Kabar bayonets. They weren't very dull but not sharp either. Even for MRE's and such, I never saw someone use it. Either you had a pocket knife, multi tool and teeth.
If I had to use it I was going to drive it with a rifle and my bodyweight behind it. I doubt it needed to be that sharp. If you had to slash, they could without problem. Most people just use knives or mult tools. The bayonet stay on your gear, pack or connex. |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 9:31:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have literally never seen a bayonet in my time in the Army. Nobody uses them anymore and they serve almost no purpose |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 9:34:01 PM EDT
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I would so much rather have a grenade launcher.
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Posted: 3/18/2019 9:36:59 PM EDT
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We had bayonet training that included slashing. The bayonets were pretty dull till you took the time to sharpen them. We drew our bayonets every time we drew our rifles from the arms room.
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Posted: 3/18/2019 9:40:43 PM EDT
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When I did basic we did the bayonet training using dummy rifles with welded metal spikes.
The only time I saw a bayonet was twice when we did a change of command when I was active duty, almost 20 years ago. That was it. |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 9:42:04 PM EDT
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In 2007 at basic training we did a day of bayonet training with our actual rifles and real bayonets. It felt like more of a smoke session than anything.
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Posted: 3/18/2019 9:53:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/18/2019 10:14:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think there's a built-in sharpener in the sheath. |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 10:19:24 PM EDT
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Bayonets are largely relegated to ceremonial work these days. And as such, you DO NOT want to have a sharpened bayonet on a rifle. I don't have the picks handy, but even an unsharpened bayonet is devastating when a soldier passes out in a ceremony, dropping his rifle.
Sharp bayonets, even in non-ceremonial use, are more of a liability, than anything else. |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 10:19:52 PM EDT
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All of the M-7 bayonets I remember being issued were more dull than sharp. Sort of in between. Too dull to be a field knife. We were told during bayonet training that a dull bayonet does more damage when slashing. Even back in the 80s-90s they seemed regarded as obsolete and useless weight.
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Posted: 3/18/2019 10:21:33 PM EDT
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Those could hurt someone. Freedom is scary. And so are the enemy. |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 10:30:48 PM EDT
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I don’t know about sharpening, but the previous dipshit commander sat with an etching tool and engraved his own serial number on each one. Then he had each added onto the property books by serial number.
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Posted: 3/18/2019 10:38:30 PM EDT
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