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Posted: 3/14/2019 8:01:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s not a party until you have meth rocks. 
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Posted: 3/14/2019 8:01:57 AM EDT
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.50 BMG high explosive rounds are currently legal in most states. That is the definition of a truck stopper. Also 20mm rifles are legal. That's about as far as it goes. Tannerite is pretty much useless, as one would expect considering it's less regulated than fireworks. The issue with explosives is finding caps...hard to do unless you know where somebody left some old ones. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 8:17:21 AM EDT
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Your rifle? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: You just need the right magazine. https://farm3.static.flickr.com/2684/4041313736_3afdef01af_b.jpg  Attached FileMine before the crack  Attached FileShe had a good last season though  Attached FileWith one last kill. A running hare at 15 yards  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 8:24:42 AM EDT
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I'm just putting a lifesize cardboard cutout of Hillary Clinton at the end of the driveway. That should keep the marauders at bay. ....FHRC |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 8:27:32 AM EDT
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AR15 and a shitload of loaded magazines. Decent IR laser setup. Decent night vision. Quoted:
night vision and thermal and a good choke point |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 8:35:10 AM EDT
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AR15 and a shitload of loaded magazines. Decent IR laser setup. Decent night vision. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 8:35:45 AM EDT
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I would wager that if SHTF actually does happen people will unwrap a LOT of good stuff that has been waiting for the occasion. Not everyone is worried about what’s legal and illegal........ |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 9:02:21 AM EDT
[#8]
 Army of Darkness (8/10) Movie CLIP - The Battle Car (1992) HD |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 9:06:41 AM EDT
[#9]
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Six pack and a few pickled eggs.  
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Posted: 3/14/2019 9:21:35 AM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This. If you are so inclined you can buy all the parts to easily convert a lower receiver to select fire and when the SHTF do the conversion. Select fire trigger group is about $100, third hole jig is around $35, the extra milling inside the trigger group doesn’t have to be precise and can be done with a dremel. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 9:27:56 AM EDT
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A heavy, heavy barrel 308 AR with bipod, medium power scope, and PMag 308 50 round drums. Practice 1 round per second on a windshield sized target at 200 yards. Very doable.
Also, buy some 30-06 AP rounds or bullets, and reload them for 308. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 9:30:09 AM EDT
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I have an 870 and a shockwave. Do the math.
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Posted: 3/14/2019 9:34:47 AM EDT
[#13]
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Cordless drills have been around for a while now as have gas powered portable generators. Or an inverter powered off your car electrical system for a drill press, mini mill, small lathe. SHTF may have some warning or it may go down like someone throwing a switch, who can say ?? Either way with what you have on hand, if you've prepared at all, should leave you with some options for powering tools for a limited time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: And power them with? SHTF may have some warning or it may go down like someone throwing a switch, who can say ?? Either way with what you have on hand, if you've prepared at all, should leave you with some options for powering tools for a limited time. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 9:45:00 AM EDT
[#14]
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I am a chemist ,science is fun kids, science is fun. With a high enough enthalpy change exothermic reactions can be extra fun "The Hordes" is where most people make their mistake. Why are you living in close proximity to them? |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 9:49:30 AM EDT
[#15]
VBIEDs and IEDs. Its the Islamic "underdog's" gift to the world.
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Posted: 3/14/2019 10:06:04 AM EDT
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If SHTF I care about what's legal and what isn't even less than I do now. What substitutes/alternatives for those weapons systems (alternative portable means of suppressing large groups or disabling vehicles) are legally available (purchase or manufacture), right now? |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 10:08:23 AM EDT
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Zombies?
Since they can't swim just dig a deep enough and wide enough moat and fill it with water and very well fed alligators. Of course if the alligators get bitten and turn into zombie alligators all bets are off. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 10:08:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryI'd TIG weld the crack, machine it and then donate it to a museum. It's display worthy, but no shooter.
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Posted: 3/14/2019 10:14:26 AM EDT
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Wouldn’t a RDIAS be way easier than drilling or milling? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: This. If you are so inclined you can buy all the parts to easily convert a lower receiver to select fire and when the SHTF do the conversion. Select fire trigger group is about $100, third hole jig is around $35, the extra milling inside the trigger group doesn’t have to be precise and can be done with a dremel. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 10:19:08 AM EDT
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There's a number of interesting things one can do with household chemicals, a few rolls of speaker wire and a car battery.
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Posted: 3/14/2019 10:19:39 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Cordless drills have been around for a while now as have gas powered portable generators. Or an inverter powered off your car electrical system for a drill press, mini mill, small lathe. SHTF may have some warning or it may go down like someone throwing a switch, who can say ?? Either way with what you have on hand, if you've prepared at all, should leave you with some options for powering tools for a limited time. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 10:23:51 AM EDT
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Well, I'm not sure what you mean since there are ARFCOMMERs with actual RPGs, Carl Gustavs, mortars, grenade launchers, hand grenades, live and fully operational tanks, artillery, and the list goes on...
Other than machine guns, what can't you get? |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 10:30:17 AM EDT
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You wanna know how to really survive an event like you're talking about? Hide. Or die. There's a lot of masturbatory discussion on this, and everyone thinks they're Rambo, but the truth is, the "zombies" will get most people. I ask myself something every once in awhile. Can I defend against myself in X situation? The answer is always no. The only way I survive against myself is by hiding. Location unknown, and never being found, otherwise I'm fucked  But everyone is John Wick so they'll all be ok on their own. Oh...you aren't John Wick? Well, you better start making friends, or better yet get a legitimate community approved emergency response program up and running. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 10:33:14 AM EDT
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The "Zulu" horde that gets mowed down by the small number of armed heroes is kind of a movie staple, not to mention stories out of the Korean War etc. I was at a shoot where we shot through poles, not as thick telephone poles but pretty thick. It was really a machine gun shoot but I had a $ 350 semi auto AR. I ran through a mountain of mags and could barely hold the carbine but it never stopped shooting. Obviously being pinned down inevitably ends badly if your opponent keeps coming, with cover, an AR and ammo your opponent is in a tough situation without heavier weapons that'll defeat the cover or a willingness to spend lives. Although there were tragic deaths during the "Blackhawk Down" battle where great men were taken down by hordes of scumbags, there were also many confrontations were small groups of Americans defeated huge numbers of attackers. But yeah, it's internet mental masturbation And having artillery and close air support sure helps. Fortunately both of those can now be a reality for relatively little money as a civilian. COTS drones can provide some awesome capabilities. They are a major part of the future of warfare. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 10:39:04 AM EDT
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All unmixed explosive precursors are less regulated than fireworks. The issue with explosives is finding caps...hard to do unless you know where somebody left some old ones. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.50 BMG high explosive rounds are currently legal in most states. That is the definition of a truck stopper. Also 20mm rifles are legal. That's about as far as it goes. Tannerite is pretty much useless, as one would expect considering it's less regulated than fireworks. The issue with explosives is finding caps...hard to do unless you know where somebody left some old ones. You can however use it to detonate the .22lr sensitive variety of exploding target. And the .22lr sensitive exploding target will detonate tannerite. And using such a train of explosive materials to remove trees on your property is completely legal. You're welcome. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 10:43:07 AM EDT
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The siren song of the sweet genny hum will call to all who want your shit. Your neighbor in the suburbs would still notice, but more rural sites could easily benefit from this line of thinking. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 10:45:08 AM EDT
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So, zombies rise, asteroid falls, nukes fly, Ebola creeps, the Fappening VI, Storm Ninjas from the Commie-Gov, etc..... Whichever. The S has H'd T F. It's FO time. However, since you're just Joe Average ARFcommer, you (and your mil-, that is, group of associates who don't at all call themselves the Wolverines(!!!!)) don't have any heavy firepower like MGs, RPGs, etc. You still have to deal with mutants, marauders, and other such nuisances that come for your beans in large groups or mounted in trucks. So what pre-SHTF legal options (i.e. having them right now won't draw the BATF to your house for a nightcap) exist for truck-stopping, group-suppressing firepower? .50 BMG rifles? Civil War repro cannons? Heavy-barreled ARs with drum mags?
I know it's not the same as a SHTF but sort of is. But look into Mexico's drug war, yeah yeah I know drug cartels, we aren't like them. BUT I think the same concept will apply, they have LIMITED access to ordnance, few barely get RPGs and some get a few grenades. BUT they all seem to always have a Barrett M82 in every convoy they ride 90% of the time. Their vehicles at the bottom of this post is why they usually carry 50 cals, a few have been seen with M2s. When you're fighting a rival group who has armored their vehicles, you need to disable them, and they've learned that 50 cals does a pretty good and fast job during pursuits. They have ARs and AKs with drum mags to substitute LMGs specially when doing ambushes. Their vehicles have evolved from heavily armored APCs types to clandestine armored vehicles that are in use by important people. Examples, this is a "monstro" aka Monster vehicle the cartels in Tamaulipas started to use around 2008 to 2012 
Then they evolved because they were attracting too much attention and basically came up with just simple plate armor inside the cab, with small bullet proof windows and firing ports. They keep all the original windows in tact, but the ones in the pics were blown out due to firefights. 
If there is some government imposing some rule of law, I think it'll be similar to how the cartels run in Mexico minus all the macabre acts (maybe). Militias aka groups will usually be hiding most of the time in plain sight, then when they need to do a battle or ambush they come out, do their shooting, and leave as fast as they can. Also, when it comes to explosives you might see a bunch of IEDs since we have access to some type of gun powders. Edit: forgot to add, but since we have more/better access to firearms and firearms kits, you can and probably will see more belt feds around here if S were to HTF. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 10:46:09 AM EDT
[#28]
LOL, when SHTF, legal does not enter into it.
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Posted: 3/14/2019 10:46:18 AM EDT
[#29]
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.50 BMG high explosive rounds are currently legal in most states. That is the definition of a truck stopper. Also 20mm rifles are legal. That's about as far as it goes. Tannerite is pretty much useless, as one would expect considering it's less regulated than fireworks. Just think about the guy who almost lost his leg after shooting a lawnmower packed with Tannerite. An explosion followed by a flying lawnmower blade would definitely cause most folks to stop and reevaluate their plan of action. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 10:48:43 AM EDT
[#30]
Remington 870 police magnum with a top folding stock.
Trunk full of 00 buck and slugs. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 10:49:17 AM EDT
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LOL, when SHTF, legal does not enter into it. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 10:52:38 AM EDT
[#32]
When the SHTF there won't be any law. Do what you want
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Posted: 3/14/2019 10:56:37 AM EDT
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It's not the legality of using the stuff post-SHTF which is a concern, it's the legality of acquiring it prior to the SHTF so you are ready when it happens that's the concern. What can you buy and store now without attracting unwanted attention or a prison sentence in order to be prepared? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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LOL, when SHTF, legal does not enter into it. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 10:59:38 AM EDT
[#34]
Chain and grape shot should do wonders on a zombie hoard.
plenty of pipe around, be easy to whip up some claymore like defenses with very crude materials. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 11:00:33 AM EDT
[#35]
Hell, you can do an AR 80% lower, get a bull barrel, heavy duty FF rail, a few AR drums, binary trigger or RDIAS and you basically have a SAW in limited capacity IMO. It won't run as hard as a belt fed, but you can probably run about 400rds+ mag dumps before something breaks.
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Posted: 3/14/2019 11:03:13 AM EDT
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A heavy, heavy barrel 308 AR with bipod, medium power scope, and PMag 308 50 round drums. Practice 1 round per second on a windshield sized target at 200 yards. Very doable. Also, buy some 30-06 AP rounds or bullets, and reload them for 308. Kinda why I'm hanging on to my 762 Soviet stuff. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 11:03:36 AM EDT
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Probably an AR10 with a drum magazine (idk off the top of my head if anyone makes AR10 drum mags) and whatever civie-legal bullets would most reliably penetrate and disable a car's engine. Do they make a 7.62 equivalent of M855? Aside from that, if you're an engineer and can figure it out, the materials to manufacture things that aren't currently legal to own. In a theoretical zombie SHTF, I imagine a former aerospace engineer who used to work on the F-35 at Lockheed Martin could figure out how to put together a shitty-but-functional rocket launcher. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 11:03:53 AM EDT
[#38]
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Chain and grape shot should do wonders on a zombie hoard. plenty of pipe around, be easy to whip up some claymore like defenses with very crude materials. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 11:04:26 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd TIG weld the crack, machine it and then donate it to a museum. It's display worthy, but no shooter. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 11:15:35 AM EDT
[#40]
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So what pre-SHTF legal options (i.e. having them right now won't draw the BATF to your house for a nightcap) exist for truck-stopping, group-suppressing firepower? 
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Posted: 3/14/2019 11:22:30 AM EDT
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It's not the legality of using the stuff post-SHTF which is a concern, it's the legality of acquiring it prior to the SHTF so you are ready when it happens that's the concern. What can you buy and store now without attracting unwanted attention or a prison sentence in order to be prepared? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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LOL, when SHTF, legal does not enter into it. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 11:25:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tannerite isn't completely useless, though. It could be used as a defensive measure for a static position. Mix several pounds into a container, place it in a position where it can be seen and shot from the static position, but not from the approaches to the static position, and shoot it as opponents are near it, and I can pretty much guarantee you're going to send all but the most determined foes running or going to ground-especially if you mix a little bit of fragmentation, such as nails, screws, or other bits of metal, in with the Tannerite. Just think about the guy who almost lost his leg after shooting a lawnmower packed with Tannerite. An explosion followed by a flying lawnmower blade would definitely cause most folks to stop and reevaluate their plan of action. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 11:36:04 AM EDT
[#43]
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Still stand a chance of catching some yourself just chucking them in. Maybe tape a few rows of ball bearings on top of each other with packing tape on the front and sides with none on the back facing you, as in like a claymore. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Tannerite isn't completely useless, though. It could be used as a defensive measure for a static position. Mix several pounds into a container, place it in a position where it can be seen and shot from the static position, but not from the approaches to the static position, and shoot it as opponents are near it, and I can pretty much guarantee you're going to send all but the most determined foes running or going to ground-especially if you mix a little bit of fragmentation, such as nails, screws, or other bits of metal, in with the Tannerite. Just think about the guy who almost lost his leg after shooting a lawnmower packed with Tannerite. An explosion followed by a flying lawnmower blade would definitely cause most folks to stop and reevaluate their plan of action. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 11:38:06 AM EDT
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I’ve always heard 12 gauge slugs are sufficient enough to punch a hole in an engine block or generally mess up the workings of most vehicle. Any truth to that rumor?
I already have some 12 gauge guns, it would be easier to stock ammo than it would be to invest in a 50 |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 11:38:33 AM EDT
[#45]
I’ve always heard 12 gauge slugs are sufficient enough to punch a hole in an engine block or generally mess up the workings of most vehicle. Any truth to that rumor?
I already have some 12 gauge guns, it would be easier to stock ammo than it would be to invest in a 50 |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 11:41:04 AM EDT
[#46]
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I’ve always heard 12 gauge slugs are sufficient enough to punch a hole in an engine block or generally mess up the workings of most vehicle. Any truth to that rumor? I already have some 12 gauge guns, it would be easier to stock ammo than it would be to invest in a 50 |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 11:49:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Even if they are effective at punching a hole in an engine block, the range at which they are going to be effective is SIGNIFICANTLY closer than that of a .50 BMG rifle. Once you stop the vehicle, you still have to deal with the occupants, who are likely to dismount and attack you. I'd rather do it at 1,000-1,500 yards with a .50, than at 10-15 yards with a 12 gauge. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 11:56:05 AM EDT
[#48]
Legally, on my street alone there a few machine guns (belt fed), SBR's, .50cals, suppressors and such.
What about restrictions now? |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 12:00:12 PM EDT
[#49]
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Even if they are effective at punching a hole in an engine block, the range at which they are going to be effective is SIGNIFICANTLY closer than that of a .50 BMG rifle. Once you stop the vehicle, you still have to deal with the occupants, who are likely to dismount and attack you. I'd rather do it at 1,000-1,500 yards with a .50, than at 10-15 yards with a 12 gauge. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I’ve always heard 12 gauge slugs are sufficient enough to punch a hole in an engine block or generally mess up the workings of most vehicle. Any truth to that rumor? I already have some 12 gauge guns, it would be easier to stock ammo than it would be to invest in a 50 |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 12:04:51 PM EDT
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Trebuchet with greekfire substitute.
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