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Posted: 3/10/2019 10:21:31 AM EDT
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737max AD in 3, 2, 1.....
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Posted: 3/10/2019 10:24:05 AM EDT
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Exploded in flight? Bomben?
May the victims RIP. 
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Posted: 3/10/2019 10:28:15 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/10/2019 10:30:35 AM EDT
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What's the big difference between the MAX8 and previous versions? Quote HistoryQuoted:
What's the big difference between the MAX8 and previous versions? The CFM International LEAP engines of the 737 MAX have a higher bypass ratio and have a larger nacelle than the engines of previous Boeing 737 models, so the engines are placed higher and further forward in relation to the wing than on previous models. This destabilises the aircraft in pitch at higher angles of attack; to deal with this the MCAS (a stall protection system) flight control augmentation system is fitted to the 737 MAX. Former Boeing engineers expressed the opinion that a nose down command triggered by a sensor single point of failure is a design flaw if the crew is not prepared, and the FAA was evaluating a fix of the possible flaw and investigating if the pilots' transition training is adequate. |
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Posted: 3/10/2019 10:34:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: From the Wikipedia article on the Lion Air crash: |
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Posted: 3/10/2019 10:34:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who willingly goes to a shit hole country on a shit hole continent? |
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Posted: 3/10/2019 10:40:02 AM EDT
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I have flown on that airline coming home from Djibouti. There were always service members flying in and out of there. Every seat is configured as the top of the line. Reclining. TV. Lots of room. First class service. I will look for an example. I found a good example: Flying in style |
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Posted: 3/10/2019 10:40:16 AM EDT
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What's the big difference between the MAX8 and previous versions? The CFM International LEAP engines of the 737 MAX have a higher bypass ratio and have a larger nacelle than the engines of previous Boeing 737 models, so the engines are placed higher and further forward in relation to the wing than on previous models. This destabilises the aircraft in pitch at higher angles of attack; to deal with this the MCAS (a stall protection system) flight control augmentation system is fitted to the 737 MAX. Former Boeing engineers expressed the opinion that a nose down command triggered by a sensor single point of failure is a design flaw if the crew is not prepared, and the FAA was evaluating a fix of the possible flaw and investigating if the pilots' transition training is adequate. |
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Posted: 3/10/2019 10:44:39 AM EDT
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But the biggest limiting factor now for the 737 that they'll never be able to fix is that the landing gear isn't tall enough. |
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Posted: 3/10/2019 10:46:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Short stubby legs? What problems does that cause? |
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Posted: 3/10/2019 10:46:34 AM EDT
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those pics look more like a garbage dump instead of a crash site. With all that gas there should be burned stuff everywhere including a grass fire. If that is a pic of the crash site, looks like there was no gas, but that would be extremely unlikely so something is funky  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/10/2019 10:50:36 AM EDT
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Short stubby legs? What problems does that cause? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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But the biggest limiting factor now for the 737 that they'll never be able to fix is that the landing gear isn't tall enough. |
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Posted: 3/10/2019 10:53:11 AM EDT
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buY
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Posted: 3/10/2019 10:57:37 AM EDT
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Government run airline and here's the CEO in a crater for a photo op https://twitter.com/flyethiopian/status/1104702003924619264 Something tells me there won't be a decent investigation into this.............https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/82253/D1Swji_W0AAgLG0_png-872215.JPG |
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Posted: 3/10/2019 10:58:59 AM EDT
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Africa you say? |
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Posted: 3/10/2019 11:00:53 AM EDT
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Government run airline and here's the CEO in a crater for a photo op https://twitter.com/flyethiopian/status/1104702003924619264 Something tells me there won't be a decent investigation into this.............https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/82253/D1Swji_W0AAgLG0_png-872215.JPG |
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Posted: 3/10/2019 11:04:40 AM EDT
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Lots of energy put into that hole. Reminds me of the ATR at Roselawn. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/13451/D79D0A04-AB38-4F88-931C-5B3E08AB5977_jpeg-872346.JPG |
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Posted: 3/10/2019 11:18:08 AM EDT
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Boeing has evolved the 737 airframe far beyond what it ever should have. They've done their best to make it a 757 and that it will never be. They either should've kept making the 757 or started on the 797 earlier. But the biggest limiting factor now for the 737 that they'll never be able to fix is that the landing gear isn't tall enough. |
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Posted: 3/10/2019 11:37:43 AM EDT
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That was a brand new Boeing 737-8 Max too. Delivered in november.
Sounds like there was a distress call before the crash.
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Posted: 3/10/2019 11:38:10 AM EDT
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Tourists and people who live life unlike 87% of GD who eats Cheetos in their Mom's Basement. I have a trip to Africa in December and I was looking at Ethiopian but ended up using Delta Skymiles for flights on Delta and KLM. United codeshares with Ethiopian Airlines. When flying anywhere in the Middle East or Africa and trying to use United points you will more than likely end up on Ethiopian. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Who willingly goes to a shit hole country on a shit hole continent? United codeshares with Ethiopian Airlines. When flying anywhere in the Middle East or Africa and trying to use United points you will more than likely end up on Ethiopian. Kind of stressed out, my Wife and daughter are taking the same route on the way to Dar Es Saalam in June. Need to check the aircraft they are flying on. RIP all aboard. |
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Posted: 3/10/2019 11:39:36 AM EDT
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THE dead also include eight Americans, 32 Kenyans, nine Ethiopians, eight Chinese, seven French, 18 Canadians, six Egyptians, five from the Netherlands, and four from India and Slovakia https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8602706/ethiopian-airlines-crash-passengers-killed-british/
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Posted: 3/10/2019 11:40:20 AM EDT
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All the same, I prefer my pilots and maintenance people not to have first names like "Mbembwu." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 3/10/2019 11:56:43 AM EDT
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https://www.osac.gov/pages/ContentReportDetails.aspx?cid=25736
Demonstration Alert: Addis Ababa (Ethiopia), Planned Protest on March 10 Riots/Civil Unrest Africa > Ethiopia; Africa > Ethiopia > Addis Ababa 3/8/2019 Location: Meskel Square in Addis Ababa and the Oromia Region Event: he U.S. Embassy is aware of calls for a protest to be held on Sunday, March 10, 2019 at Meskel Square. It is unknown whether the protest has been or will be approved by Ethiopian authorities. Protests have already occurred in many parts of the Oromia region since March 6, and additional protests may materialize. U.S. Embassy personnel are advised to avoid Meskel Square and limit movement around Addis Ababa on Sunday, March 10. U.S. Government travelers have been advised not to arrive or depart Bole International Airport on Sunday, March 10, and U.S. Embassy personnel are also temporarily prohibited from traveling to Oromia. Actions to Take: Monitor local media for updates. Avoid crowds Avoid demonstrations. Be aware of your surroundings. Keep a low profile. Assistance: U.S. Embassy Addis Ababa, Ethiopia +251-111-306-000 +251-111-306-911 or 011-130-6000 (after hours) [email protected] https://et.usembassy.gov State Department Consular Affairs 888-407-4747 or 202-501-4444 Ethiopia Country Information Enroll in the Smart Traveler Enrollment Program (STEP) to receive security updates |
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Posted: 3/10/2019 11:57:40 AM EDT
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Bomb on board?
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Posted: 3/10/2019 12:00:43 PM EDT
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Bomb on board? |
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Posted: 3/10/2019 12:04:32 PM EDT
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Doesn't make sense from the standpoint of emergency calls to return to airport. |
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Posted: 3/10/2019 12:08:09 PM EDT
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Ever had Ethiopian food?
Neither have they. |
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Posted: 3/10/2019 12:10:20 PM EDT
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Why not. The explosion does not immediately destroy the aircraft and they have time to realize that the best option is to return to the airport. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Doesn't make sense from the standpoint of emergency calls to return to airport. I read an earlier post about the lack of fire from burning fuel on the ground. Could a bomb positioned properly near the fuel tanks on the plane cause all the fuel to burn up while the plane is still in the air, thus leaving none to burn when it hits the ground? |
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Posted: 3/10/2019 12:10:46 PM EDT
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Have a good buddy flying for them and haven't had a check in yet. Damn... |
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Posted: 3/10/2019 12:13:56 PM EDT
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Who willingly goes to a shit hole country on a shit hole continent? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lots of Americans ride on Ethiopian. And, this is the 2nd MAX 8 hull since October. |
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Posted: 3/10/2019 12:15:04 PM EDT
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To start off with I know exactly nothing about aircraft bombs or crashes. I read an earlier post about the lack of fire from burning fuel on the ground. Could a bomb positioned properly near the fuel tanks on the plane cause all the fuel to burn up while the plane is still in the air, thus leaving none to burn when it hits the ground? |
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Posted: 3/10/2019 12:16:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: According to Arfcom all Africans are basically retarded. The accident can't be due to a problem with the aircraft designed by 1st world engineers working in 1st world conditions with the components built in 1st world plants. Kind of stressed out, my Wife and daughter are taking the same route on the way to Dar Es Saalam in June. Need to check the aircraft they are flying on. RIP all aboard. |
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Posted: 3/10/2019 12:21:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/10/2019 12:32:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/10/2019 12:41:18 PM EDT
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Boeing has evolved the 737 airframe far beyond what it ever should have. They've done their best to make it a 757 and that it will never be. They either should've kept making the 757 or started on the 797 earlier. But the biggest limiting factor now for the 737 that they'll never be able to fix is that the landing gear isn't tall enough. Honestly when I decided to work for a living again and hop off the 777 to fly a narrow body, one of the reasons, though down the list, I chose the bus vs the 737 is I had no desire to get EMAS dust on my shoes. Plane has been stretched too far. |
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Posted: 3/10/2019 1:40:45 PM EDT
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 Ethiopian Airlines crash: Is the Boeing 737 MAX a safe plane? | DW News I’m sure lots of ARFCOMers are poo pooing this because it’s Ethiopia, but a second 737-Max crash is disconcerting. |
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Posted: 3/10/2019 1:42:17 PM EDT
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 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOItQXp8SH8
I’m sure lots of ARFCOMers are poo pooing this because it’s Ethiopia, but a second 737-Max crash is disconcerting.
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Posted: 3/10/2019 1:48:43 PM EDT
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Sad news.
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Posted: 3/10/2019 1:53:03 PM EDT
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I used to want to fly on a new 737max. Now, not so much. |
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Posted: 3/10/2019 1:53:14 PM EDT
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Who willingly goes to a shit hole country on a shit hole continent? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lots of Americans ride on Ethiopian. And, this is the 2nd MAX 8 hull since October. |
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Posted: 3/10/2019 1:53:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/10/2019 1:56:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/10/2019 2:01:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryAfrica is a pretty big place you know. |
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Posted: 3/10/2019 2:02:48 PM EDT
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Erratic final seconds of fatal Ethiopian Airline’s flight: Jet’s airspeed plummeted and soared before it crashed killing seven Brits and 150 others attending UN climate summit
An Ethiopian Airlines plane which crashed killing 149 passengers and eight crew just minutes after take-off lost and gained speed dramatically in the final seconds, it has emerged. The plane heading to Nairobi left Ethiopia this morning but came down within six minutes - 37 miles from Addis Ababa International Airport. Within the first few minutes after take-off the plane's vertical speed, the rate of climb or descent, varied from 2,624 feet per minute to -1216. According to Swedish flight-tracking website flightradar24 the flight 'had unstable vertical speed' shortly after take off. Aviation experts describe this as extremely unusual because once a plane has taken off the vertical speed should rise or remain stable. Aviation expert Sally Gethin said this may indicate the aircraft stalled. She said: 'It's the rate of climb or descent - the most critical phases of flight. Instability at that point e.g. too slow - could destabilise the aircraft, potentially risking stalling and other hazardous consequences. It might indicate the pilots had difficulty controlling the climb/ascent.' An experienced pilot told MailOnline the activity was highly unusual.      More Pics |
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Posted: 3/10/2019 2:04:42 PM EDT
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Those look nothing like Ethiopians, they look like Xhosa. Africa is a pretty big place you know. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Those look nothing like Ethiopians, they look like Xhosa. Africa is a pretty big place you know. 
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Posted: 3/10/2019 2:05:50 PM EDT
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Those look nothing like Ethiopians, they look like Xhosa. Africa is a pretty big place you know. 
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Posted: 3/10/2019 2:07:45 PM EDT
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Those look nothing like Ethiopians, they look like Xhosa. Africa is a pretty big place you know. |
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Posted: 3/10/2019 2:12:52 PM EDT
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It’s a great Airline, would rather fly on it than most Asia, Africa, LATAM airlines. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Africa you say? 
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Posted: 3/10/2019 2:15:35 PM EDT
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You don't think they're San, perhaps? |
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Posted: 3/10/2019 2:16:51 PM EDT
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