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Posted: 12/14/2003 5:21:03 PM EDT
My sister-in-law has been hanging out with a bunch of people who all belong to a skinhead group. Only these folks call themselves color blind skinheads. What exactly does this belief system mean? How is connected with the term skinhead? Since skinheads are normally associated with racial pride or racial hatred (depending on who you ask), how is this term taken amongst "true" skinheads? I strongly believe in being prideful of your race in order to assure future generations, so how do the color blind skinheads work?
Link Posted: 12/14/2003 5:25:58 PM EDT
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One of [s]two[/s] three possibilities: 1) They hate everybody, regardless of skin color or ethnic origin. 2) They like shaving their heads. 3) It is a new cult, worshipping shiny pates and cursing heads with hair to hell.
Link Posted: 12/14/2003 5:30:45 PM EDT
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Being a former traditional skinhead, I will always promote the original skinhead ideals which had nothing to do with race. They were nothing more than working class kids that hung out together enjoying the same kind of music, going to football games, drinking and protecting their territory. However, skinheads are still individuals and may have racial views. The racist skinhead movement didn't really come about until much later. It started with a British nationalist/fascist group stealing the skinhead look because skins had a reputation of being bad asses. It's far too complicated to go into a lot of detail. These days you have socialist skins, communist skins, traditional skins, Nazi skins, etc. It's almost a fashion statement. That's way I left the movement. Oh, and don't forget about queer skinheads. Another good reason to leave. If you are truly interested in learning about skinhead history, see if you can find a book called Spirit of 69: A Skinhead Bible. It's as close to a factual history book as you are going to find. Of course, Nazi skins think it's totally wrong, but then again, they aren't real skinheads anyway. [:D] [img]http://images.amazon.com/images/P/1898927103.01._PE_PI_SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg[/img] ______________________________________________ [url=www.nra.org][b][red]NRA[/red][/url] [url=www.nra.org][blue]Life Member[/blue][/url] [url=www.gunowners.org][b][red]GOA[/red] [/url] [url=www.gunowners.org][blue]Life Member[/blue][/url] [url=www.saf.org][red]SAF[/red][/url] [url=www.saf.org][blue]Supporter[/blue][/url] [url=sas-aim.org][red]SAS[/red][/url] [url=sas-aim.org][blue]Supporter[/blue][/b][/url]
Link Posted: 12/14/2003 5:35:45 PM EDT
Skninheads need to be curbed.
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Link Posted: 12/14/2003 5:42:10 PM EDT
I wouldn't worry... maybe she's just trying to meet new freinds? [img]http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/art3/dmilam1.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 12/14/2003 5:44:55 PM EDT
[url]http://www.skullyrecords.com/sharp.htm[/url] Are you anywhere near Tallahassee? [url]http://www25.brinkster.com/tallysharps[/url]
Link Posted: 12/14/2003 6:03:37 PM EDT
Originally Posted By KA3B: [url]http://www.skullyrecords.com/sharp.htm[/url] Are you anywhere near Tallahassee? [url]http://www25.brinkster.com/tallysharps[/url]
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I hate SHARPs almost as much as I hate Nazi boneheads. They stole the skinhead look just like the Nazis did. ______________________________________________ [url=www.nra.org][b][red]NRA[/red][/url] [url=www.nra.org][blue]Life Member[/blue][/url] [url=www.gunowners.org][b][red]GOA[/red] [/url] [url=www.gunowners.org][blue]Life Member[/blue][/url] [url=www.saf.org][red]SAF[/red][/url] [url=www.saf.org][blue]Supporter[/blue][/url] [url=sas-aim.org][red]SAS[/red][/url] [url=sas-aim.org][blue]Supporter[/blue][/b][/url]
Link Posted: 12/14/2003 6:11:49 PM EDT
HighStrung, Your sister-in-law is walking on the edge. There is more than one type, as USPC40 pointed out. Most commonly known are the Nazi Skinhead type (due to the media). A second would be a "Anti Nazi" type and have groups known as S.H.A.R.P (skin heads against racial prejudice) or 2 Tone. A third type is one that does not side with ether and loves soccer and OI type rock music. When I say your sister in law is walking the edge you can easily see that if she were the SHARP type of skinhead (yes skinhead girls exists), and happen to be noticed by a NAZI more than likely a conflict would result (at least in my day it would). I have seen GIRLS get stabbed, shot, cut up with broken bottles, and severely beat growing up in Los Angeles. Being "Anti Nazi" is one thing, but taking it to the extreme is another. She and her buddies can endanger others around them and they think they are hero's. It is a dangerous game people play. I too am prideful of race. But being Native American Indian, and since moving to NC from LA the only type of skinheads I have seen have been "True Nazis" and not just the "Prideful" type. And I hate Nazis. Samuel
Link Posted: 12/14/2003 6:16:07 PM EDT
A common thread that I have seen no matter what type of skinhead they be, is following the "Working Class" habit of beating the shit out of their women. Get your SiL out of there ASAP.
Link Posted: 12/14/2003 6:23:07 PM EDT
I like the way the guy in the pic. above has a swastika right over his voice box. That was nice of him to give me a good place to aim my fist to shatter his windpipe and rid this world of one more POS.
Link Posted: 12/14/2003 6:36:22 PM EDT
I know alot about the skinhead scene, yet I havn't heard about color blind skins. I would guess that means trad skins, who are just part of the working class and like to drink and fight. Their whole scene doesn't invlove any race.
Link Posted: 12/14/2003 7:20:31 PM EDT
skinhead is like any other "scene", punk, hiphop, whatever. It started out as kids hanging out being into the same shit, and nowdays it's become this romanticized bullshit with rules about shoelace color, and "color blind" and "sharp" and "boneheads" and all this other nonsense. I'm so sick of little freshcuts these days. The tallysharps site has reached it's max for the day (probably due to us). I'm in Florida though, and if your SiL is too, feel free to IM or email me if you want info about whatever specific town she's in. I've been around this stuff for over 10 years in this state.
Link Posted: 12/14/2003 7:33:23 PM EDT
Skins are often played up quite a bit by the media. They are just like any other group of youngsters looking for their own identity like the gangster looking people, wiggers, etc. But one thing to remember, just because someone is proud to be white and stands up for prejudice againt whites, (affirmative action, black and hispanic cultural centers at colleges, minority scholarships) does not mean they are racist. If you are black, or brown and stand up for your race it is called pride, if you are white and stand up for your race it is labeled hate.
Link Posted: 12/14/2003 7:47:06 PM EDT
Originally Posted By norman74: I'm in Florida though... I've been around this stuff for over 10 years in this state.
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Norman, back in 1992 I interned with the Pensacola PD and they spent the summer on the defensive concerning a guy who had moved into town with about 4 or 5 skins and bought an old house downtown. The PD said that they were there to recruit. They hosted band parties and threw open parties at some of the harder clubs. The PD really tried to bust their balls but these guys knew how to keep it legit. They wanted me and another intern to go check out some of the get togethers. I told them I would buy crack, play drunk for muggers, pick up prostitutes or even play a prostitute if they wanted me to but that there was no way I was fucking gonna try to bust up in a skinhead house trying to get info. We worked a few beat downs where skin involvement was suspected but as far as I knew there were never any cases made. I left at the end of the summer and never heard if anything took off there. Just wondered if you could shed any light on that for me. Did they leave or did they get a foothold in Pensacola?
Link Posted: 12/14/2003 7:53:41 PM EDT
Originally Posted By FiveO:
Originally Posted By norman74: I'm in Florida though... I've been around this stuff for over 10 years in this state.
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Norman, back in 1992 I interned with the Pensacola PD and they spent the summer on the defensive concerning a guy who had moved into town with about 4 or 5 skins and bought an old house downtown. The PD said that they were there to recruit. They hosted band parties and threw open parties at some of the harder clubs. The PD really tried to bust their balls but these guys knew how to keep it legit. They wanted me and another intern to go check out some of the get togethers. I told them I would buy crack, play drunk for muggers, pick up prostitutes or even play a prostitute if they wanted me to but that there was no way I was fucking gonna try to bust up in a skinhead house trying to get info. We worked a few beat downs where skin involvement was suspected but as far as I knew there were never any cases made. I left at the end of the summer and never heard if anything took off there. Just wondered if you could shed any light on that for me. Did they leave or did they get a foothold in Pensacola?
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I never knew of any major "players" in pensacola back then. For some reason though that whole end of the state seemed to be out of it. in terms of the rest of the state. There were groups in Tampa, Orlando, Jax, Tallahassee, and lots of so-called sharps in south florida, but we never really heard anything about that area.
Link Posted: 12/14/2003 8:10:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By norman74:
Originally Posted By FiveO:
Originally Posted By norman74: I'm in Florida though... I've been around this stuff for over 10 years in this state.
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Norman, back in 1992 I interned with the Pensacola PD and they spent the summer on the defensive concerning a guy who had moved into town with about 4 or 5 skins and bought an old house downtown. The PD said that they were there to recruit. They hosted band parties and threw open parties at some of the harder clubs. The PD really tried to bust their balls but these guys knew how to keep it legit. They wanted me and another intern to go check out some of the get togethers. I told them I would buy crack, play drunk for muggers, pick up prostitutes or even play a prostitute if they wanted me to but that there was no way I was fucking gonna try to bust up in a skinhead house trying to get info. We worked a few beat downs where skin involvement was suspected but as far as I knew there were never any cases made. I left at the end of the summer and never heard if anything took off there. Just wondered if you could shed any light on that for me. Did they leave or did they get a foothold in Pensacola?
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I never knew of any major "players" in pensacola back then. For some reason though that whole end of the state seemed to be out of it. in terms of the rest of the state. There were groups in Tampa, Orlando, Jax, Tallahassee, and lots of so-called sharps in south florida, but we never really heard anything about that area.
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Was that kind of moving in and recruiting common or due to what you said, that the area was "out of it." IIRC the older guy may have been a lawyer or CPA or something and he was real straight looking, the younger guys were cookie cutter skins (WTF do I know though?). They drew in a pretty good crowd of the punks and gutter trash and I'm sure some local rednecks and sailors from NAS PCola looking for whatever to the parties but I guess it never went far it sounds. Interesting group though. I'd imagine you have some stories but I respect that you have previously stated you'd not prefer to get into it that much. What is a good reference source for the group nowadays? Any websites?
Link Posted: 12/15/2003 4:41:55 AM EDT
Yes, there has always been this side of the nazi-skin scene where older racists will try and recruit young men (usually guys that are already into the punk or metal scenes, or in the military) to join up. If you watch American History X, Stacey Keach's character (the guy with the hairlip) is that guy. There was also a "documentary" on HBO a few years ago about a similar group (if you find it & watch it, let me know, I'll tell you some of the story behind it). But these things are hardly what the media and movies (including American History X) make them out to be. Typically the older guy has issues relating to, and gaining respect from, people his own age, and the "movement" is his way of surrounding himself with young people that will look up to and respect him. The racist aspect isn't really what his motivation is about. Most have delusions about raising their own skinhead army and becoming the next Hitler. These delusions aren't really where it starts, but eventually they start believing their own hype. In general, your typical Nazi skinhead isn't really anything to worry about. Their over-the-top attitude and appearance repels more kids these days than it attracts. 99% are unlikely to EVER be involved in a racially motivated attack, and they are more likely to beat on each other than any of the people they claim to hate. Often the hate crimes they wind up in jail for are in actuallity fights that would have happened even if the other guy had been white (like people bumping into each other in a club) but the nazi makes the mistake of using a racial slur while he's beating up, or getting beat up by, the black/gay/hispanic/asian/jewish guy, and that and his appearance is enough to turn it into a hate crime. In general, most skinheads, racist or otherwise, grow out of it. Many grow out of the racist views, or start to see the hypocrisy of the group, or wind up married with kids & their priorities change, etc. In my opinion, neo-nazi skinheads are no real threat. I would wager that statistics would show that anyone, white, black, brown, yellow, jewish, whatever, is more likely to be assaulted by a young black male than a guy with a shaved head & a flight jacket. As such, the older male recruiter type isn't really anything to be scared of either, just so long as you raised your kids well enough not to become one of his minions. The truly scary racists are the ones that we elect to public office, or are in positions of authority in our law enforcement, military, and other public agencies. Cops, convicts, and GIs have proven to be, in my experience, some of the most racist groups in American society today. (no offense intended to you five0)
Link Posted: 12/15/2003 4:50:30 AM EDT
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I see these creatures in the East Village alot in NYC, thank GOD that the police are constantly leaning on these characters. Most of them are squatters and drug adicts. You see many of them nodding out early in the morning on benches in Tomkins Square Park. They are a bunch of good for nothing lowlifes, they hang around peoples homes and places of business, peeing in any corner and defacing property with their anti-everybody crap and in general are disrupting the quality of life for the average New Yorker.
Link Posted: 12/15/2003 7:31:56 AM EDT
Originally Posted By norman74: I would wager that statistics would show that anyone, white, black, brown, yellow, jewish, whatever, is more likely to be assaulted by a young black male than a guy with a shaved head & a flight jacket. Cops, convicts, and GIs have proven to be, in my experience, some of the most racist groups in American society today. (no offense intended to you five0)
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Your bet would be a safe one. All of the purported reasons and causal factors aside, blacks are extremely overrepresented in criminality. Of course one can be called racist for simply acknowledgeing that fact but numbers are numbers. Thay are firm and they do not lie. No offense taken. There are some racist cops, and many cops who are assumed to be racist so the perception is fair enough, I guess. Thanks for the discussion!
Link Posted: 12/15/2003 10:51:01 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By StariVojnik: I see these creatures in the East Village alot in NYC, thank GOD that the police are constantly leaning on these characters. Most of them are squatters and drug adicts. You see many of them nodding out early in the morning on benches in Tomkins Square Park. They are a bunch of good for nothing lowlifes, they hang around peoples homes and places of business, peeing in any corner and defacing property with their anti-everybody crap and in general are disrupting the quality of life for the average New Yorker.
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Beware the Legion of Doom!!! They're probably reading this right now! I was a skinhead from 1984 to 1997 and part of what could be loosely termed the "non'political" scene. There are so many factions it would be crazy to try to list or explain them here. I lived in Chicago and did a great deal of hanging out on the east coast and NYC. I can tell you that I have never touched illegal drugs of any kind and am not a heavy drinker, never was. If you sit down with your sister-in-laws friends you will probably find that they are decent kids. Many skins are conservative, pro-American, and pro-gun. If they are involved in "anti-racist" or S.H.A.R.P. movements, they are probably flaming lefties of the worst DU sort. If they're nazis then I would do what I could to intervene in your sister-in-laws social life, any second thoughts down the road could be bad for her health. Happy to answer any more of your questions on the IM. For a look at the full spectrum of the skinhead world check out this site I sometimes lurk on [url]www.skinheads.net[/url] I like the politics section the best. [b]SheamusMcOi, why have you not yet weighed in[/b]
Link Posted: 12/15/2003 11:00:44 AM EDT
Uh, Know nothing about SH's but I do wear Doc Martins. Not for a fashion statement but because they fit me great, are comfortable and seem to me to be very durable.
Link Posted: 12/15/2003 4:25:47 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Valkyrie: Uh, Know nothing about SH's but I do wear Doc Martins. Not for a fashion statement but because they fit me great, are comfortable and seem to me to be very durable.
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The original skinheads evolved from the mods of the 60's. So, fashion actually played a large part in the culture. In a world of long haired hippies and greasy haired rockers, they were clean-cut and well dressed. Unfortunately, too many people get into the scene strictly for the look and don't care about the rest of what skins are about. 6 years ago, I helped run the internet's most popular skinhead website. While all were welcome, we concentrated on spreading the truth about the true origins of skins. We did not invite racists but did try to stay as non-political as possible. We had a very active message board and I got to meet a lot of good folks. Lots of gun loving, conservative and hard working people. Many of them would fit right in here. ______________________________________________ [url=www.nra.org][b][red]NRA[/red][/url] [url=www.nra.org][blue]Life Member[/blue][/url] [url=www.gunowners.org][b][red]GOA[/red] [/url] [url=www.gunowners.org][blue]Life Member[/blue][/url] [url=www.saf.org][red]SAF[/red][/url] [url=www.saf.org][blue]Supporter[/blue][/url] [url=sas-aim.org][red]SAS[/red][/url] [url=sas-aim.org][blue]Supporter[/blue][/b][/url]
Link Posted: 12/15/2003 4:39:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By USPC40:
Originally Posted By Valkyrie: Uh, Know nothing about SH's but I do wear Doc Martins. Not for a fashion statement but because they fit me great, are comfortable and seem to me to be very durable.
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The original skinheads evolved from the mods of the 60's. So, fashion actually played a large part in the culture. In a world of long haired hippies and greasy haired rockers, they were clean-cut and well dressed. Unfortunately, too many people get into the scene strictly for the look and don't care about the rest of what skins are about. 6 years ago, I helped run the internet's most popular skinhead website. While all were welcome, we concentrated on spreading the truth about the true origins of skins. We did not invite racists but did try to stay as non-political as possible. We had a very active message board and I got to meet a lot of good folks. Lots of gun loving, conservative and hard working people. Many of them would fit right in here. ______________________________________________
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I have never been to your site but I made my way here too. I am not so sure about the fitting in part but I'm tryin real hard.[BD] Samuel
Link Posted: 12/15/2003 4:55:27 PM EDT
Thanks for your informative and well written post Norman74. Well put, well said!
Link Posted: 12/15/2003 6:10:27 PM EDT
Originally Posted By livefree: Thanks for your informative and well written post Norman74. Well put, well said!
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shhhh, don't let anyone hear you say that, you'll ruin my rep!
Link Posted: 12/15/2003 6:39:12 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Samuel: I have never been to your site but I made my way here too. I am not so sure about the fitting in part but I'm tryin real hard.[BD] Samuel
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Sadly, that web page went down years ago. We passed the torch to www.skinheads.net. Their site went from being an all encompassing information depot to just a message board. I guess it was too much to keep running. ______________________________________________ [url=www.nra.org][b][red]NRA[/red][/url] [url=www.nra.org][blue]Life Member[/blue][/url] [url=www.gunowners.org][b][red]GOA[/red] [/url] [url=www.gunowners.org][blue]Life Member[/blue][/url] [url=www.saf.org][red]SAF[/red][/url] [url=www.saf.org][blue]Supporter[/blue][/url] [url=sas-aim.org][red]SAS[/red][/url] [url=sas-aim.org][blue]Supporter[/blue][/b][/url]
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