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Posted: 12/13/2003 8:09:36 PM EDT
Who will be the next big threat to the United States? Has Dubya neutralized the Muslims from forming their Muslim super state? Or, is going to be the EU? The EU is trying to pull together a republic to "rival the United States", and is considering spending up to $75 billion on defence outside of NATO. They are already Socialists of various flavors and are getting ready to add a bunch of former Soviet Bloc countries. Germany is at the center of it all along with France. We certainly know it has happened before (twice) in a big way. I will venture to make a some predictions. If they can get over their current hurdles and pull it together we will see:

1) End of or major revision of NATO.
2) US troops pulled out of Europe over time.
3) A much more aggressive anti-American economic policy
4) South America will be actively courted by various factions for alliances (US, EU, Muslims, China)
5) Nuclear program initiated in EU

Am I paranoid or is this something that could potentially happen?
Link Posted: 12/13/2003 8:19:07 PM EDT
Mexico.
Link Posted: 12/13/2003 8:21:20 PM EDT
i don't see the EU as a military threat any time soon. Hell most of europe still can stand each other. Unless Germany goes for the hat trick i just don't see it in my lifetime. They can't agree on alost any issue, how the F*ck are they going to work together to build a one nation government. Economically may be another issue but i still this more of a long term threat. And no, i am in NO WAY a foriegn policy expert and have not stayed in a Holiday Inn express lately. mike
Link Posted: 12/13/2003 8:25:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/13/2003 11:06:33 PM EDT by raven]
Nah. I am not worried or afraid of the EU. They have a hard time getting their shit together. And I'm not worried about Muslims in the US because we're keeping an eye on them and I think average Americans have a low tolerance for the bullshit Muslims pull in Europe. The thing is, Europe is deeply threatened by Muslim immigrants from North Africa. They pile in, go on the dole, spawn dozens of children who the state will provide for. As Europeans have lower birthrates and their population ages, there's going to be a huge crisis. On one hand you'll have all the old Europeans and those whose taxes pay for the system. On the other, there will be teeming hordes of young, badly-educated Muslim youths who haven't integrated into European society. Add in the violence and religious extremism that makes Islam such a special religion, a culture of multiculturalism that's afraid to say anything negative or to address the problem honestly........it looks like a disaster in the making. France in particular is especially screwed. Maybe in 2 or 3 generations, we'll see a severe breakdown in their society. It's not going to be pretty.
Link Posted: 12/13/2003 8:39:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/13/2003 8:41:08 PM EDT by raven]
US jibe at 'chocolate soldiers' Four countries proposing a European military command separate from Nato were dismissed as "chocolate makers" by a US government official yesterday. The State Department spokesman, Richard Boucher, scoffed at Belgium, France, Germany and Luxembourg for continuing to support the proposal that they first introduced at a mini-summit in April. He described the April meeting as one between "four countries that got together and had a little bitty summit" and then referred to them collectively as "the chocolate makers". He later said he had seen the phrase in press reports but should not have used it. [url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/09/03/wbul03.xml#2[/url]
Link Posted: 12/13/2003 8:39:39 PM EDT
i was reading the news and the EU is floundering in its attempts to put together a constitution. as stated above, they're all old world elitests and socialists with very little knowledge of or will to put anything together that will function fairly. they could become an economic problem but i see the muslims as a physical threat. the EU would just hamper our efforts to protect ourselves - as the french and germans already have.
Link Posted: 12/13/2003 8:43:33 PM EDT
I agree with what has been said here about the EU, however, if they ever do pull it off we'll probably end up going to war with them. They already see us as an evil empire. As far as the towel heads go, I believe they are the greater threat to us now, but one more 9/11 and I can see boxcars full of them headed to the nearest port and back to where they came from. I also think that the US is moving toward becoming more of a police state as weak, limpwristed Americans who've had the fire of liberty snuffed out of their bosom seek security over freedom...PATRIOT act anyone...Patriot II, PATRIOT III... stay tuned!
Link Posted: 12/13/2003 8:53:56 PM EDT
They can't get their own shit in one sock. I'm not worried about them... YET. With the apparently unchecked growth in Muslim immigration things could change in a few years. We could be looking a MUSLIM influnced Europe threating us. That's something to keep you awake at night. [url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A62011-2003Dec13.html[/url] EU Talks on Constitution End in Failure By Keith B. Richburg Washington Post Foreign Service Sunday, December 14, 2003; Page A01 BRUSSELS, Dec. 13 -- Negotiations on a new European constitution collapsed in acrimony Saturday, with the 25 current and future members of the European Union failing to find a formula to satisfy medium-size countries worried that their voices and votes would be swamped by larger countries in an expanded union. The failure left the EU facing one of the most critical crises of its history and could formalize an already visible split in the organization. Diplomats said several of the founding EU members, including France, Germany, Belgium, Luxembourg and the Netherlands, could soon issue a statement saying they were prepared to proceed on their own fast track, with deeper integration and shared policies. French President Jacques Chirac raised the idea of a two-speed Europe immediately after the talks failed. He said a smaller "pioneer group" could go forward on areas of common agreement. "It would be a motor that would set an example," Chirac said. "It will allow Europe to go faster, better." He did not specify policy areas where the core group might move forward. EU leaders, normally given to diplomatic language and positive "spin," did not try to mask their failure. "It has not been possible to reach agreement on all points," said British Prime Minister Tony Blair. The meeting could have continued, Blair said, but "there's no point in negotiations going on through the night. It's better to wait and get the right agreement." Silvio Berlusconi, the Italian prime minister and summit chairman, was equally direct. "Right now, it's just not possible to get an agreement," he said. The meeting could have dragged on, he said, but "we all felt it wasn't the right thing to do at this stage, given that the positions are so far apart." Romano Prodi -- president of the European Commission, the EU's executive body -- said: "Today an agreement was not possible. Now we need to reflect at length and get our ideas sorted out." The collapse of the summit torpedoes, at least for now, European leaders' grand design to have a constitution that would give the continent a new president, legal status and more clout on the global stage. "It's a mess," said Kirsty Hughes, a researcher at the Brussels-based Center for European Policy Studies. "It is a crisis." The main issue dividing the group was the allocation of votes. Under the current complex system, Spain and Poland, both medium-size countries with about 38 million people, each carries almost the same clout as Germany, with 80 million people, and France, with 60 million. France and Germany were pressing for what they called a more democratic voting system, in which all future EU laws could be passed by a simple majority of the 25 countries, as long as that represented at least 60 percent of the people living in the union. But prime ministers Jose Maria Aznar of Spain and Leszek Miller of Poland refused to agree to any new system that reduced their voting power. Miller attended the conference in a wheelchair and in obvious pain after a helicopter crash. It now falls to Ireland, which takes over the presidency from Italy next month, to determine whether an agreement is possible. The looming deadline is May, when 10 new countries, mostly from formerly communist Eastern Europe, are set to formally join the EU. Some fear that a union of 25 members will prove too unwieldy to operate under the existing voting rules. Berlusconi warned that the calendar now becomes an even greater obstacle to compromise. Spain is facing general elections in March, and all EU countries hold new elections for the European Parliament in June. Irish diplomats said they did not intend to take up the constitutional question until at least March, partly as a way to let tempers cool. In the meantime, talk of a separate European "pioneer group" moving at a faster pace toward integration -- essentially creating an EU within the EU -- has raised the possibility that the union could be in danger of a decisive split on the eve of its historic eastward expansion. Analysts said, however, that they were uncertain how such a separate group would function in practice, what policy areas it might address and whether it would even be legal under existing EU treaty rules. "I'm not sure how this core Europe group is going to work, but it does worry people," said Daniel Keohane, a researcher at the Center for European Reform in London. "I think the French and Germans always like this Plan B option, to operate outside the EU." Hughes, of the Center for European Policy Studies, said some founding EU members might be thinking that "if this enlarged EU is going to split and not work, we are going to keep our political aims alive" by cooperating independently. Examples of separate cooperation already exist; only 12 EU members now use the common currency, the euro. And an open-borders agreement that allows free travel within the EU originally began with a small core group and still does not include all EU countries. "I don't think it's in Europe's interest to have a two-speed Europe," Berlusconi said. He said that when it does occur, such as with using the euro, it "should be the exception, not the rule." The draft constitution being debated was the product of two years of work by a constitutional convention, headed by a former French president, Valery Giscard d'Estaing. Besides altering the voting system, the draft constitution included changes aimed at making the EU more efficient and giving it more clout on the world stage. Among the proposed changes was the creation of the powerful new post of president, who could meet on the international level with, for example, President Bush, as a representative of the EU. The constitution would also have created a European foreign minister to articulate a common European foreign policy. But since the constitution was part of a package, those changes are now on hold.
Link Posted: 12/13/2003 9:05:43 PM EDT
Originally Posted By raven: US jibe at 'chocolate soldiers' Four countries proposing a European military command separate from Nato were dismissed as "chocolate makers" by a US government official yesterday. The State Department spokesman, Richard Boucher, scoffed at Belgium, France, Germany and Luxembourg for continuing to support the proposal that they first introduced at a mini-summit in April. He described the April meeting as one between "four countries that got together and had a little bitty summit" and then referred to them collectively as "the chocolate makers". He later said he had seen the phrase in press reports but should not have used it. [url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/09/03/wbul03.xml#2[/url]
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Oh SHIT! Not Luxemburg. Give it up boys, were fucked. They got luxemburg on their side. All they need is Lichtenstein and Monaco and its all over.
Link Posted: 12/13/2003 9:09:00 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Cold_Warrior: Mexico.
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Hell, they've already won. They were able to march all over our state carrying their state flag and not one was shot or deported. [img]http://media.mnginteractive.com/media/paper82/licenseprotest.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 12/13/2003 9:22:58 PM EDT
Europe is fast losing influence in the world, which was accelerated by the big 3 over there refusing to assist the US. The UN is a non-issue, from the moment we went into Iraq without them. The fact is, the USA IS the UN. Without our influence and acceptance, the UN is nothing but a bunch of selfish and weak countries afraid of their own shadows. Europes main danger to the US is in weakening the US Dollar
Link Posted: 12/13/2003 10:36:55 PM EDT
You would have had an even lower opinion of Germany prior to 1933, but it took less than 10 years for one brilliant psychopath to take over what is voluntarily trying to come together now. If the right person appears that can put it together and they have the economic resources of the whole EU intact and behind them. Think about it.
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