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Link Posted: 12/27/2018 4:48:44 PM EDT
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Give em hell!

Thanks NOLO!
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 4:49:22 PM EDT
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Thus begins the journey, in for the long haul. Thank you for the effort.
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 4:51:22 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/27/2018 4:52:19 PM EDT
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Thank You,
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 4:55:25 PM EDT
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Awesome
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 4:55:29 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/27/2018 4:57:06 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/27/2018 5:00:04 PM EDT
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Thanks for fighting this and fighting for us!
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 5:01:05 PM EDT
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How did I miss the funding drive? Where can I donate?
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 5:03:01 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/27/2018 5:03:30 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/27/2018 5:05:21 PM EDT
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Good.
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 5:06:07 PM EDT
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Thanks to everyone involved with this effort.
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 5:06:22 PM EDT
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I'd make that face, too, if I had a bump stock shoved up my ass
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 5:06:28 PM EDT
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I'm in

$$ incoming
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 5:06:35 PM EDT
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Thank you Sir!
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 5:08:28 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/27/2018 5:09:26 PM EDT
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Rad
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 5:14:04 PM EDT
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Dillo donations .

Well spent and in for the next round also.
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 5:16:34 PM EDT
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We are either a nation of laws or we aren’t. We need to know sooner rather that later.
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Sweet Jesus....

"as purported acting Attorney General"
It's addressed in the complaint:
84.

Defendant acting Attorney General Whitaker’s appointment violated
28 USC § 508(a) as he was not the Deputy Attorney General when Attorney General Sessions resigned. 85.

Acting Attorney General Whitaker signed the Final Rule, and because his appointment is unlawful under § 508(a), the Final Rule is of no force and effect because acting Attorney General Whitaker has no authority to exercise the powers of the office he purports to hold.
We are either a nation of laws or we aren’t. We need to know sooner rather that later.
So this is likely a dumb question but the lawsuit is based on the fact that he's not officially in his position to make the ruling? Shouldn't it be that they're just making up rules/definitions that they're following from day to day? Bumpstocks don't fit the definition of a MG yet they're making up whatever rules/laws they want without them being approved by congress?
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 5:17:36 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/27/2018 5:17:53 PM EDT
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Thank you, Counselors, and thanks, Mark LaRue.
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 5:19:29 PM EDT
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Thanks again for everything you do!

Link Posted: 12/27/2018 5:21:24 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/27/2018 5:21:38 PM EDT
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Subscribed
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 5:22:03 PM EDT
[#26]
In!
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 5:22:22 PM EDT
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Thank You!

@LaRue_Tactical , and @NoloContendere , and to all those who donated!
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 5:22:49 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/27/2018 5:23:10 PM EDT
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Waiting impatiently for the next fundraising event  .  
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 5:24:46 PM EDT
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In on 2.

God speed!
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 5:26:53 PM EDT
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And Alan (wolfwood) we are a team!
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@NoloContendere

I just sent a PM.
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 5:31:49 PM EDT
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OST...

...mostly just so that I don’t miss part deux of LaRue’s special edition of Texas “Nolo ‘dillos”!
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 5:34:33 PM EDT
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Mark LaRue will say when. Just watch.
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How did I miss the funding drive? Where can I donate?
Mark LaRue will say when. Just watch.
Mark is banned from GD
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 5:34:58 PM EDT
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Thank you very much to all that are involved. Give the commie bastards hell!
Oh, and in for funding info.
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 5:36:51 PM EDT
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In.
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 5:37:07 PM EDT
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OST.

"knock'em out John!"
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 5:39:21 PM EDT
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Thanks, Nolo.

Will be watching for the LaRue fundraiser.
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 5:39:29 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/27/2018 5:39:58 PM EDT
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If this lawsuit is mainly aimed at whether the Attorney General is actually the Attorney General, and whether it violates an executive order for reduction of regulations, then this suit won't go anywhere.  It must be based on the illegality of the ATF's rule changing the 1934 act.  That alone will be an extremely hard sell in a court system that only occasionally recognizes the 2nd Amendment at all.
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 5:42:26 PM EDT
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If this lawsuit is mainly aimed at whether the Attorney General is actually the Attorney General, and whether it violates an executive order for reduction of regulations, then this suit won't go anywhere.  It must be based on the illegality of the ATF's rule changing the 1934 act.  That alone will be an extremely hard sell in a court system that only occasionally recognizes the 2nd Amendment at all.
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Aw shucks.  That's it guys.  Just pack it up.
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 5:54:31 PM EDT
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Outstanding. Thank you, gentlemen.

Nice slap at Feinstein in the Complaint as well.

I’ll be sending in funds to LaRue when indicated.
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 5:54:38 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/27/2018 5:56:03 PM EDT
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The final bump stock rule has been published. We filed this bump stock case on behalf of David Codrea and several other plaintiffs in D.C. As some of you may know Dave is a writer at ammoland. I'd like to take this time to thank LaRue Tactical for its fundraising efforts and all our donors. We could not be doing this without your help. Here's to a new year of reclaiming what has been stolen from us. Please take a look at the suit which is linked to below

https://www.scribd.com/document/396418931/Filed-Bumpstock-Complaint-Redacted
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Good news but I thought Larue supported a  bumpstock ban defending it saying something about waterhoses or something. Or maybe they were defending the NRA asking the ATF to look into it being regulated. Could have been something else possibly.

ETA fuck it. Don't matter now. Good on them for helping the case.
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 6:00:52 PM EDT
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If this lawsuit is mainly aimed at whether the Attorney General is actually the Attorney General, and whether it violates an executive order for reduction of regulations, then this suit won't go anywhere.  It must be based on the illegality of the ATF's rule changing the 1934 act.  That alone will be an extremely hard sell in a court system that only occasionally recognizes the 2nd Amendment at all.
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It's 30 pages long. Read it.
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 6:01:46 PM EDT
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Aw shucks.  That's it guys.  Just pack it up.
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If this lawsuit is mainly aimed at whether the Attorney General is actually the Attorney General, and whether it violates an executive order for reduction of regulations, then this suit won't go anywhere.  It must be based on the illegality of the ATF's rule changing the 1934 act.  That alone will be an extremely hard sell in a court system that only occasionally recognizes the 2nd Amendment at all.
Aw shucks.  That's it guys.  Just pack it up.
Obviously I don't think he meant that, but I thought the same things. To me it sounds like they're going after technicalities when it should be going after the fact that they can't just make the laws up on their own without congress, which is what they're doing.

I'm not a lawyer but I was thinking the same thing/had the same question(s). there are legal procedures that the .gov must follow. Laws are made by elected representatives, not regulatory agencies.

My gut feeling is that Trump did this so that it would be decided in the courts and then there will be an actual legal opinion on it. The ATF has already ruled multiple times that they weren't machine guns, now the courts will say that as well......I hope.
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 6:07:07 PM EDT
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WOW! I only got about halfway through so far, but can't wait to finish it.

Great work!!!
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 6:10:34 PM EDT
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One of these days I hope to have the pleasure to buy Len Savage a beer. Or a bourbon. Or a scotch.

Or all 3.
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 6:12:05 PM EDT
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Larue's bumpstock sales must have taken a substantial hit to elicit this response.

Serious question, are any manufacturers involved in this?
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 6:12:30 PM EDT
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This.
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 6:13:16 PM EDT
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It's SOP to attack on multiple fronts in a case like this. The court can decide in your favor for any of them they wish to use so you put them all in there.

AG in violation of Constitutional succession

Ruling in violation of EO

Violation of APA re rulemaking

Violation of APA re arbitrary and capricious

Etc...

The courts tend to go from the lowest to the highest in arguments so they would have to rule in favor of the .gov on most of it before even tackling the statutory language aspect that is truly the heart of it in my mind.

Either we are a nation of laws written by an elected legislature or one of executive fiat.
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